Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
- Original Message - From: Geraldo Netto geraldone...@gmail.com To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc) Hi Again! btw, why not make freedos installation using linux? There was once a very interestick pack: Linux kernel + dosemu + FreeDOS, bash was on a secondary console. It would be easy to make that now, using LFS + busybox and an automatic HW detection (there is a packege for that) :) and I am sure that it would help a lot of people that still want to use DOS programs. Actually to create a install distro we don't even need dosemu, zip/unzip is already there, we would only need to handle fdupdate/fdpkg but i guess it would easier to port it to any sh :) of course your approach doing freedos on top of dosemu on top of linux would be really nice too :) but my main concern is about 8086 guys who uses freedos, they wont be able to run such linux distro either for installation or any other form and i guess, they are reading this msg, right? :P Correct. 8086/80186 is alive and kicking (at least in the embedded world :-) Hans www.ht-lab.com 8086 support/compatibility is a premise... See Ya Geraldo Non dvcor, dvco = Sapere Aude São Paulo, Brasil, -3gmt site: http://exdev.sf.net/ github: http://github.com/geraldonetto msn: geraldo_b...@hotmail.com skype: geraldo-netto icq: 145-061-456 -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
Hi, I agree with Alain that 8086 is far from good been a huge fan of arm/mips/... for embedded stuff If you want modern architecture, look for ARM/Cortex. It you want a flexible OS, look for Linux; it has been *designed* for that. And just a remainder: Dosemu runs only on intel i386. If you want to simulate one CPU running on another, QEMU is the way to go. didn't know that, in any case, qemu is nice/fine too Geraldo Non dvcor, dvco = Sapere Aude São Paulo, Brasil, -3gmt site: http://exdev.sf.net/ github: http://github.com/geraldonetto msn: geraldo_b...@hotmail.com skype: geraldo-netto icq: 145-061-456 -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
I disagree, based on experience... 8086 is *not* a good architecture, neither fast nor economic or easy to use. It is only relevant for legacy uses. FreeDOS is above all ***DOS*** and it has to be used as such. No other achitecture. If you want modern architecture, look for ARM/Cortex. It you want a flexible OS, look for Linux; it has been *designed* for that. And just a remainder: Dosemu runs only on intel i386. If you want to simulate one CPU running on another, QEMU is the way to go. Alain Geraldo Netto escreveu: Hi! but my main concern is about 8086 guys who uses freedos, they wont be able to run such linux distro either for installation or any other form and i guess, they are reading this msg, right? :P Correct. 8086/80186 is alive and kicking (at least in the embedded world :-) Hans www.ht-lab.com Btw, really nice vhdl stuff Hans :) well, there is a compromise between 8086 and other arch i mean, we have to keep 8086 compatibility but going with linux we would be able to run freedos on non-x86 arch, which is nice too... i can't confirm this, but supposing dosemu runs as user mode software on top of linux, we should have no problem running on other arch(?) Geraldo -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Geraldo Netto geraldone...@gmail.com wrote: i can't confirm this, but supposing dosemu runs as user mode software on top of linux, we should have no problem running on other arch(?) No. DOSemu is a sort of dedicated virtual machine for running DOS under Linux. It runs DOS natively on x86-32, just trapping the hardware interrupts so on with which DOS communicates with the hardware so that it can run safely cleanly under the multitasking Linux kernel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dosemu To run DOS on non-x86 architectures, you would need something that emulates an 8086 CPU, at least, and preferably an 80386 or better. Examples include BOCHS or QEMU, although QEMU would be more complicated as it emulates many different computers as well as PC-compatibles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bochs -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
I have been using PMagic (Parted Magic) http://partedmagic.com/ It is just a very clever Linux bott disk with Gparted and a few other disk utilities. Alain Liam Proven escreveu: 2010/3/6 Aitor Santamaría aitor...@gmail.com: Apparently, the Norton guys were not going to continue with PQMagic any longer, but this is great news!! -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
That is an *old* distribution. PMagic has many improvements. Not a matter of taste. GWIK it has almost everything in one CD (that I thought of), just the same idea, just added evolution... Alain Geraldo Netto escreveu: Hi All/Alain! Eheheh :) it's pretty much a question of taste but i go with SystemRescueCd - http://www.sysresccd.org/ :) suddenly gnu parted(the backend lib used in gparted and many other 'partion magic' like software) doesn't fit in a bootdisk any more :( this would be a really interesting thing imho... btw, why not make freedos installation using linux? it would be easier to develop and would be intrinsically extensible i know it sounds insane, but i think it can be a really interesting combination of course, there are some issues like, how to fit it on floppies and etc suggestions/flamewars/doubts/disillusionment with love are always welcomed, ahahah :) -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
Geraldo Netto escreveu: btw, why not make freedos installation using linux? There was once a very interestick pack: Linux kernel + dosemu + FreeDOS, bash was on a secondary console. It would be easy to make that now, using LFS + busybox and an automatic HW detection (there is a packege for that) :) and I am sure that it would help a lot of people that still want to use DOS programs. Alain -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
Hi Again! btw, why not make freedos installation using linux? There was once a very interestick pack: Linux kernel + dosemu + FreeDOS, bash was on a secondary console. It would be easy to make that now, using LFS + busybox and an automatic HW detection (there is a packege for that) :) and I am sure that it would help a lot of people that still want to use DOS programs. Actually to create a install distro we don't even need dosemu, zip/unzip is already there, we would only need to handle fdupdate/fdpkg but i guess it would easier to port it to any sh :) of course your approach doing freedos on top of dosemu on top of linux would be really nice too :) but my main concern is about 8086 guys who uses freedos, they wont be able to run such linux distro either for installation or any other form and i guess, they are reading this msg, right? :P 8086 support/compatibility is a premise... See Ya Geraldo Non dvcor, dvco = Sapere Aude São Paulo, Brasil, -3gmt site: http://exdev.sf.net/ github: http://github.com/geraldonetto msn: geraldo_b...@hotmail.com skype: geraldo-netto icq: 145-061-456 -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
Geraldo Netto escreveu: btw, why not make freedos installation using linux? There was once a very interestick pack: Linux kernel + dosemu + FreeDOS, bash was on a secondary console. It would be easy to make that now, using LFS + busybox and an automatic HW detection (there is a packege for that) :) and I am sure that it would help a lot of people that still want to use DOS programs. of course your approach doing freedos on top of dosemu on top of linux would be really nice too :) any volunteers, this is more a LFS (linux From Scratch) problem... but my main concern is about 8086 guys who uses freedos, they wont be able to run such linux distro either for installation or any other form and i guess, they are reading this msg, right? :P 8086 support/compatibility is a premise... Completely not understadable :( I can only say that compatibility will be to the estent of DOSEMU, not more that that... Alain -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
2010/3/6 Aitor Santamaría aitor...@gmail.com: Apparently, the Norton guys were not going to continue with PQMagic any longer, but this is great news!! That was decided many years ago, I think, and it was a great shame. I used to like Symantec its products but it has become one of those big companies that just buys smaller rivals to shut them down. If it at least released the dead products as FOSS, I wouldn't mind. (QEMM8, DESQview DESQview/X in particular), but no, it just kills them. I am particularly interested in moving/resizing. I don't know how Windows manages partition internally, but it concerns me that, when you are moving a partition, there could be other records within Windows that would have to be updated (other than the partition table itself). Have you ever tried moving partitions having Windows Vista or Seven, and later booting, to see if they continue to boot/work after this? I have, using GParted on Linux. No problems. If anything the newer versions seem to be considerably more robust than poor old XP. This may be because Vista /et seq/ *insist* on booting off NTFS - they will not install to FAT32. (They won't fit into a FAT16 volume!) I do miss the fairly simple clear BOOT.INI file, tho'. The new bootloader is more resilient - e.g. it will survive an /older/ version of Windows being installed /after/ a newer one, which killed XP/W2K/NT every time. However, the new boot file structure, BCD, is a closed binary format which must be edited with special tools, such as EasyBCD: http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1 This is a complete pain. Also, Vista Win7 automatically rename their boot partition as C: when they boot, regardless of where it is in the partition sequence, which screws up drive-letter allocation schemes. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
Many many thanks, Alain!! Apparently, the Norton guys were not going to continue with PQMagic any longer, but this is great news!! I am particularly interested in moving/resizing. I don't know how Windows manages partition internally, but it concerns me that, when you are moving a partition, there could be other records within Windows that would have to be updated (other than the partition table itself). Have you ever tried moving partitions having Windows Vista or Seven, and later booting, to see if they continue to boot/work after this? Aitor 2010/1/13 Alain Mouette ala...@pobox.com: Robert Riebisch escreveu: Alain Mouette wrote: OTOH, Parted Magic is beter for that job because it can move/resize partitions, which may be needed. OK. (There are zillions of such tools.) This one is the best... I have tested many. This is a bootable CD with Linux and a graphical interface. It has GPARTED, clonezila and many usefull disk tools. PS: for what I know vfat in Linux is just the name of FAT32 ;) Then Linux is not correct, because VFAT is just an extension to FAT12 / FAT16 / FAT32 to allow long filenames: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#Long_file_names Ok, but most people should be aware that in the Linux literature (most google tutorials) the tem vfat is used liberaly. Alain -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
I vaguely remember seeing a so called Vista, from a distance! Never got close to those things... Ask about Linux, it's easier, and the answers are stable :) Alain Aitor Santamaría escreveu: Many many thanks, Alain!! Apparently, the Norton guys were not going to continue with PQMagic any longer, but this is great news!! I am particularly interested in moving/resizing. I don't know how Windows manages partition internally, but it concerns me that, when you are moving a partition, there could be other records within Windows that would have to be updated (other than the partition table itself). Have you ever tried moving partitions having Windows Vista or Seven, and later booting, to see if they continue to boot/work after this? Aitor 2010/1/13 Alain Mouette ala...@pobox.com: Robert Riebisch escreveu: Alain Mouette wrote: OTOH, Parted Magic is beter for that job because it can move/resize partitions, which may be needed. OK. (There are zillions of such tools.) This one is the best... I have tested many. This is a bootable CD with Linux and a graphical interface. It has GPARTED, clonezila and many usefull disk tools. PS: for what I know vfat in Linux is just the name of FAT32 ;) Then Linux is not correct, because VFAT is just an extension to FAT12 / FAT16 / FAT32 to allow long filenames: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#Long_file_names Ok, but most people should be aware that in the Linux literature (most google tutorials) the tem vfat is used liberaly. Alain -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
PS: for what I know vfat in Linux is just the name of FAT32 ;) Then Linux is not correct, because VFAT is just an extension to FAT12 / FAT16 / FAT32 to allow long filenames: Ok, but most people should be aware that in the Linux literature (most google tutorials) the tem vfat is used liberaly. I've only ever heard it used to mean *all* file systems using the VFAT extension, i.e. FAT12, FAT16 and FAT32 file systems with long names. They probably call this the VFAT file system to distinguish it from their original FAT file system implementation which didn't support long names and the new file times. (BTW, the V stands for Virtual which at most fits into Microsoft's strange behaviour of calling everything related to Win386 virtual, and doesn't relate to what a VFAT file system is in any way. They probably only named their VxD VFAT, and with this implementation being the first one to support the new features, someone just called these features VFAT.) Regards, Christian -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
On 2010/01/13 15:36 (GMT+0100) Christian Masloch composed: PS: for what I know vfat in Linux is just the name of FAT32 ;) Then Linux is not correct, because VFAT is just an extension to FAT12 / FAT16 / FAT32 to allow long filenames: Ok, but most people should be aware that in the Linux literature (most google tutorials) the tem vfat is used liberaly. I've only ever heard it used to mean *all* file systems using the VFAT extension, i.e. FAT12, FAT16 and FAT32 file systems with long names. They probably call this the VFAT file system to distinguish it from their original FAT file system implementation which didn't support long names and the new file times. In Linux, FAT12, FAT16 FAT16B can be mounted MSDOS instead of VFAT to restrict active usage to 8.3 filenames. MSDOS is how I always mount these partitions on Linux systems with no Windows co-installed. -- Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. John Adams, 2nd US President Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
Determining partition types (NTFS, etc) Please excuse my 'newbie' question... I'm considering setting up a dual-boot (or more) system. How do I determine what type partition my system has? Hopefully I'll end up with both FreeDOS Linux on the same drive. Thanks for your patient support. From: freedos-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Freedos-user Digest, Vol 334, Issue 1 To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:46:35 + Send Freedos-user mailing list submissions to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to freedos-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net You can reach the person managing the list at freedos-user-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Freedos-user digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: freedos - Modern sata dvd dual layer not found (Christian Masloch) 2. Re: (fdapm vs idlehalt performance and energy saving in dos) (Eric Auer) 3. Re: FreeDOS Networking with other OS (Eric Auer) 4. New FreeDOSers Monthly Reminder (jp_free...@gcfl.net) 5. Warning, dont left your freedos cd on the computer!!! (Marco Achury) 6. The Ikon GUI has been released under Public Domain license (Mateusz Viste) 7. Hello! (Willi Wasser) 8. Re: Hello! (Hans) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:30:02 +0100 From: Christian Masloch c...@bttr-software.de Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] freedos - Modern sata dvd dual layer not found To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: op.u5pbsck2z9d...@isor.private Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes First of all, what is AHCI? isn't that related to USB??? No. USB is related to the UHCI (USB 1.0), OHCI (USB 1.1), EHCI (USB 2.0), WHCI (Wireless USB) and XHCI (USB 3.0). AHCI is an interface for SATA controllers. Regards, Christian -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:02:45 +0100 From: Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] (fdapm vs idlehalt performance and energy saving in dos) To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: 4b3a7c85.5020...@jpberlin.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Marcos, thanks for the in-depth measurements :-) 1 FDAPM APMDOS + IDLEHALT=1 11 sec 2 FDAPM ADV:REG + IDLEHALT=1 6 sec 3 FDAPM APMDOS 6 sec 4IDLEHALT=1 6 sec 5 FDAPM ADV:REG about half a sec 6 (nothing) about half a sec I adopted option 5 to work with Desi-III, of course. I agree that this is the best option. To answer your questions: IDLEHALT is in the kernel, you do not have to load it. You only activate it or not. FDAPM is more advanced, but takes a bit of DOS memory. The ADV:REG option usually saves almost as much of your battery power as the normal APMDOS option. You do not get extra savings by combining FDAPM and IDLEHALT, only slowness ;-) You do not need to standby or suspend DOS - just shutdown the PC when you do not need it and reboot it when you need it again, a DOS system usually boots very quickly. However, FDAPM does have support for APM BIOS standby and suspend. Whether it actually will work and wake up properly depends on the BIOS. If you get stuck, you can always keep the power button of your PC pressed for several seconds to force a power-off or power-on. Newer BIOSes do not support any APM. They only support ACPI. For ACPI, FDAPM gives you throttling (SPEED1 to SPEED8) and poweroff but no actually useful standby or suspend options... Throttling means that your CPU will be halted up to 7/8 of the time, which is also a nice thing for playing too fast old DOS games :-). It is also possible to suspend other components with DOS PCISLEEP. Note that all the throttling and suspending stuff does not save much more energy than FDAPM APMDOS on a typical desktop PC if DOS is just waiting for input at the prompt. I also made a tool for AMD Cool n Quiet to switch my CPU to 1 GHz and lower voltage, but this only works for the CPU and mainboard for which you compile it. For automatic setup for generic PC, the tool would be complex and I was lazy... -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:30:41 +0100 From: Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Networking with other OS To: mad.marvin.moonsha...@gmail.com, freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID:
Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
I suspect that your Linux partition will be either EXT2 or EXT3, and for Freedos you can use vfat. --- On Tue, 1/12/10, david lowe studm...@hotmail.com wrote: From: david lowe studm...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc) To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:56 AM Determining partition types (NTFS, etc) Please excuse my 'newbie' question... I'm considering setting up a dual-boot (or more) system. How do I determine what type partition my system has? Hopefully I'll end up with both FreeDOS Linux on the same drive. Thanks for your patient support. From: freedos-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Freedos-user Digest, Vol 334, Issue 1 To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:46:35 + Send Freedos-user mailing list submissions to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to freedos-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net You can reach the person managing the list at freedos-user-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Freedos-user digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: freedos - Modern sata dvd dual layer not found (Christian Masloch) 2. Re: (fdapm vs idlehalt performance and energy saving in dos) (Eric Auer) 3. Re: FreeDOS Networking with other OS (Eric Auer) 4. New FreeDOSers Monthly Reminder (jp_free...@gcfl.net) 5. Warning, dont left your freedos cd on the computer!!! (Marco Achury) 6. The Ikon GUI has been released under Public Domainlicense (Mateusz Viste) 7. Hello! (Willi Wasser) 8. Re: Hello! (Hans) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:30:02 +0100 From: Christian Masloch c...@bttr-software.de Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] freedos - Modern sata dvd dual layer not found To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: op.u5pbsck2z9d...@isor.private Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes First of all, what is AHCI? isn't that related to USB??? No. USB is related to the UHCI (USB 1.0), OHCI (USB 1.1), EHCI (USB 2.0), WHCI (Wireless USB) and XHCI (USB 3.0). AHCI is an interface for SATA controllers. Regards, Christian -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:02:45 +0100 From: Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] (fdapm vs idlehalt performance and energy saving in dos) To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: 4b3a7c85.5020...@jpberlin.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Marcos, thanks for the in-depth measurements :-) 1 FDAPM APMDOS + IDLEHALT=1 11 sec 2 FDAPM ADV:REG + IDLEHALT=1 6 sec 3 FDAPM APMDOS 6 sec 4IDLEHALT=1 6 sec 5 FDAPM ADV:REG about half a sec 6 (nothing) about half a sec I adopted option 5 to work with Desi-III, of course. I agree that this is the best option. To answer your questions: IDLEHALT is in the kernel, you do not have to load it. You only activate it or not. FDAPM is more advanced, but takes a bit of DOS memory. The ADV:REG option usually saves almost as much of your battery power as the normal APMDOS option. You do not get extra savings by combining FDAPM and IDLEHALT, only slowness ;-) You do not need to standby or suspend DOS - just shutdown the PC when you do not need it and reboot it when you need it again, a DOS system usually boots very quickly. However, FDAPM does have support for APM BIOS standby and suspend. Whether it actually will work and wake up properly depends on the BIOS. If you get stuck, you can always keep the power button of your PC pressed for several seconds to force a power-off or power-on. Newer BIOSes do not support any APM. They only support ACPI. For ACPI, FDAPM gives you throttling (SPEED1 to SPEED8) and poweroff but no actually useful standby or suspend options... Throttling means that your CPU will be halted up to 7/8 of the time, which is also a nice thing for playing too fast old DOS games :-). It is also possible to suspend other components with DOS PCISLEEP. Note that all the throttling and suspending stuff does not save much more energy than FDAPM APMDOS on a typical desktop PC if DOS is just waiting for input at the prompt. I also made a tool
Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
I recomend that you use Parted magig: http://partedmagic.com/, it will tell you everything about your partitions Your FreeDOS partition should be vfat and pimary, that is numbered 1 to 4. And it has to be set primary in order to boot. And it will work best if it is the first primary partition. This may be a problem with an existing Linux instalation BE VERY CAREFULL not to change partition order, grub will get lost. It can be fixed editing /boot/grub/menu/lst in rescue mode but it is really not obvious at all. Alain Larry escreveu: I suspect that your Linux partition will be either EXT2 or EXT3, and for Freedos you can use vfat. --- On Tue, 1/12/10, david lowe studm...@hotmail.com wrote: From: david lowe studm...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc) To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:56 AM Determining partition types (NTFS, etc) Please excuse my 'newbie' question... I'm considering setting up a dual-boot (or more) system. How do I determine what type partition my system has? Hopefully I'll end up with both FreeDOS Linux on the same drive. Thanks for your patient support. From: freedos-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Freedos-user Digest, Vol 334, Issue 1 To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:46:35 + Send Freedos-user mailing list submissions to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to freedos-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net You can reach the person managing the list at freedos-user-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Freedos-user digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: freedos - Modern sata dvd dual layer not found (Christian Masloch) 2. Re: (fdapm vs idlehalt performance and energy saving in dos) (Eric Auer) 3. Re: FreeDOS Networking with other OS (Eric Auer) 4. New FreeDOSers Monthly Reminder (jp_free...@gcfl.net) 5. Warning, dont left your freedos cd on the computer!!! (Marco Achury) 6. The Ikon GUI has been released under Public Domain license (Mateusz Viste) 7. Hello! (Willi Wasser) 8. Re: Hello! (Hans) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:30:02 +0100 From: Christian Masloch c...@bttr-software.de Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] freedos - Modern sata dvd dual layer not found To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: op.u5pbsck2z9d...@isor.private Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes First of all, what is AHCI? isn't that related to USB??? No. USB is related to the UHCI (USB 1.0), OHCI (USB 1.1), EHCI (USB 2.0), WHCI (Wireless USB) and XHCI (USB 3.0). AHCI is an interface for SATA controllers. Regards, Christian -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:02:45 +0100 From: Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] (fdapm vs idlehalt performance and energy saving in dos) To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: 4b3a7c85.5020...@jpberlin.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Marcos, thanks for the in-depth measurements :-) 1 FDAPM APMDOS + IDLEHALT=1 11 sec 2 FDAPM ADV:REG + IDLEHALT=1 6 sec 3 FDAPM APMDOS 6 sec 4IDLEHALT=1 6 sec 5 FDAPM ADV:REG about half a sec 6 (nothing) about half a sec I adopted option 5 to work with Desi-III, of course. I agree that this is the best option. To answer your questions: IDLEHALT is in the kernel, you do not have to load it. You only activate it or not. FDAPM is more advanced, but takes a bit of DOS memory. The ADV:REG option usually saves almost as much of your battery power as the normal APMDOS option. You do not get extra savings by combining FDAPM and IDLEHALT, only slowness ;-) You do not need to standby or suspend DOS - just shutdown the PC when you do not need it and reboot it when you need it again, a DOS system usually boots very quickly. However, FDAPM does have support for APM BIOS standby and suspend. Whether it actually will work and wake up properly depends on the BIOS. If you get stuck, you can always keep the power button of your PC pressed for several seconds to force a power-off or power-on. Newer BIOSes do not support any APM. They only support ACPI. For ACPI, FDAPM gives you throttling (SPEED1 to SPEED8) and poweroff but no actually useful standby or suspend options... Throttling means
Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
Alain Mouette wrote:
I recomend that you use Parted magig: http://partedmagic.com/, it will
tell you everything about your partitions
FDISK from the FreeDOS 1.0 CD should also do.
Your FreeDOS partition should be vfat and pimary, that is numbered 1
^^
| primary
FAT / FAT16 / FAT32
to 4. And it has to be set primary in order to boot. And it will work
^^^
active
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Thanks for the fix. Those were just erros (one typo and one exchanged word) OTOH, Parted Magic is beter for that job because it can move/resize partitions, which may be needed. Alain PS: for what I know vfat in Linux is just the name of FAT32 ;) Robert Riebisch escreveu: Alain Mouette wrote: I recomend that you use Parted magig: http://partedmagic.com/, it will tell you everything about your partitions FDISK from the FreeDOS 1.0 CD should also do. Your FreeDOS partition should be vfat and pimary, that is numbered 1 ^^ | primary FAT / FAT16 / FAT32 to 4. And it has to be set primary in order to boot. And it will work ^^^ active [snip] @david, Larry, Alain: Was there any reason to quote postings completely unrelated to this topic? Robert Riebisch -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Alain Mouette wrote: OTOH, Parted Magic is beter for that job because it can move/resize partitions, which may be needed. OK. (There are zillions of such tools.) PS: for what I know vfat in Linux is just the name of FAT32 ;) Then Linux is not correct, because VFAT is just an extension to FAT12 / FAT16 / FAT32 to allow long filenames: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#Long_file_names Robert Riebisch -- BTTR Software http://www.bttr-software.de/ -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Robert Riebisch escreveu: Alain Mouette wrote: OTOH, Parted Magic is beter for that job because it can move/resize partitions, which may be needed. OK. (There are zillions of such tools.) This one is the best... I have tested many. This is a bootable CD with Linux and a graphical interface. It has GPARTED, clonezila and many usefull disk tools. PS: for what I know vfat in Linux is just the name of FAT32 ;) Then Linux is not correct, because VFAT is just an extension to FAT12 / FAT16 / FAT32 to allow long filenames: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#Long_file_names Ok, but most people should be aware that in the Linux literature (most google tutorials) the tem vfat is used liberaly. Alain -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
