Re: [Freedos-user] Semware has released TSE as Freeware

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 6:01 PM Jim Hall  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 5:48 PM  wrote:
> >
> > If any of you remember Qedit, or its big brother TSE (the Semware Editor),
> > you may be interested to know that TSE if released as freeware.
> >
> > Note that, this is the version from 1997, and it hasn’t been updated
> > in a while.
>
> Very cool! It's not open source, so we can't include it in FreeDOS.
> But it's still great to see classic DOS software released as freeware.

I've never used TSE, but I immediately thought of GNU Emacs. Checking
the DJGPP website under /deleted/v2gnu/ shows versions (e.g. 19.34)
going back to 1997.

Then I checked /current/v2gnu/ and apparently a new version was
silently updated last month!

* http://www.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2gnu/emacs28.README

Just FYI.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Semware has released TSE as Freeware

[Ralf Quint]

On 10/21/2022 2:14 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:


I'm not a normal windows user obviously, but personally, I love when 
windows apps have text interfaces,


Well, that is a rather personal preference. I am using for years now a 
Windows freeware editor called PSPad. That handles all the text files in 
sizes that ever make sense to load, as well as having a build-in hex 
editor mode where you can even edit binary files. Though I recently ran 
into the issue that it currently treats CP/M text files as binary files 
and opens them by default in Hex mode, because they have a (sequence of) 
Ctrl-Z (1Ah) EOF characters at the end. But the author is pretty 
responsive on his forum and is apparently looking into adding this into 
his detection routine. It has a lot of features that I need when dealing 
with text files (sorting, deleting duplicate/empty lines, detect line 
mode (CR-LF, LF, CR) as well as supporting syntax highlighting for a lot 
of different languages, a tons of character encodings), all with a 
modest size and an not overly complicated menu system.


it means I don't have to worry about them not working with my screen 
reader.  I deliberately didn't download the windows version, because I 
just figured it'd be another one of those fancy editors that refuse to 
behave for screen readers.  Now I need to go give it another look.


The TSE interface kind of looks comparatively "out of place" on Windows, 
so I doubt that I am going to use it much if at all. But then the 
character based UI might indeed make it better suited for text readers, 
for which I luckily don't have any use.  ;-)

But I might start using it (the DOS version) again on (Free)DOS...


Thanks for the info. :)


You're welcome...

Ralf




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Re: [Freedos-user] Semware has released TSE as Freeware

[Travis Siegel]

I'm not a normal windows user obviously, but personally, I love when 
windows apps have text interfaces, it means I don't have to worry about 
them not working with my screen reader.  I deliberately didn't download 
the windows version, because I just figured it'd be another one of those 
fancy editors that refuse to behave for screen readers.  Now I need to 
go give it another look.


Thanks for the info. :)

I did download the linux version though, though I have yet to try it out.


On 10/21/2022 12:19 PM, Ralf Quint wrote:

On 10/21/2022 5:20 AM, Joseph Norton wrote:


Hi:

Basically, he mentioned that the reason he released it as freeware 
was that he hadn’t made too much in profits for quite a while.


No too surprised. The market for DOS bases software is all but dead 30 
years after the EOL of MS-DOS.


And offering a text based UI for a Windows program, well, that isn't 
likely to draw big crowds either... ;-)


He still plans to work on the product (probably the Windows and Linux 
versions) when he can, but, is opening things up to the user community.



Well, would be nice if he would make it Open Source...


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Windows



Shudder., yuk... :(


Ralf



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Re: [Freedos-user] Semware has released TSE as Freeware

[Jim Hall]

> On 10/20/2022 9:17 PM, dmccunney wrote:
> > I recall Qedit, and used it back in the day, though it was never my
> > primary editor.
> >
> > It got renamed from Qedit to TSE due to a trademark issue.  Qedit author 
> > Sammy
> > Mitchell was unaware there was another editor called WEDIT, provided
> > by Hewlett-Packard for their midrange multi-user systems line.  Oops!

On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 11:51 AM Ralf Quint  wrote:
> Doesn't make much sense!? Why would he rename QEDIT if there was a
> WEDIT. There were (and still are) tons of different xEDIT programs out
> there.
[..]

I read that as a typo (W is next to Q) such as typing the email on a phone.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Semware has released TSE as Freeware

[Ralf Quint]

On 10/20/2022 9:17 PM, dmccunney wrote:

I recall Qedit, and used it back in the day, though it was never my
primary editor.

It got renamed from Qedit to TSE due to a trademark issue.  Qedit author Sammy
Mitchell was unaware there was another editor called WEDIT, provided
by Hewlett-Packard for their midrange multi-user systems line.  Oops!
Doesn't make much sense!? Why would he rename QEDIT if there was a 
WEDIT. There were (and still are) tons of different xEDIT programs out 
there.
I only remember that when he released the first  version of SemEdit, he 
stressed that it was a complete rewrite. I had used (and registered) 
QEDIT for years as my go-to editor for large files on DOS (beside using 
for quite a while SEE from DeSmet C) and I remember that there were 
little, not so subtle changes to QEdit that I stopped using it

I haven't looked at the Windows and Linux versions that aer now
freeware, nor have I had a chance to look at the DOS offering,  But I
was in email contact with Sammy back when he was developing the
Windows and Linux versions.  I don't think they have much in common
with the DOS product.
I actually downloaded the Windows version yesterday, just to look at it, 
and it is pretty much a text based console application, which doesn't 
make it very attractive to use under Windows. I guess the Linux version 
just looks and works the same...

  Among other things, Sammy was creating a new
language that could be used to write editors in.  I very much doubt
what was done in the Semware Editor for Windows and Linux is
*possible* under DOS.  It requires memory, a multitasking OS, and a
more advanced file system than DOS can offer,
That SAL macro language existed already the DOS versions and it just 
looks to me as if the Windows version is just the DOS version with a 
Windows based widget set to make it work better as a Windows app, but it 
is definitely NOT a proper Windows GUI application...


I have to drop Sammy a note, but I suspect he made the Semware Editor
freeware because it was no longer a viable commercial product,
Competition in that area is brutal.  There are various commercial
editors for tjhings like Java development still out there, but the
most popular current general purpose programmers are Microsoft's
commercial Visual Studio product, and their free and open source
Visual Studio Code product, based on the Electron framework first
introduced for Github's Atom editor.  Github has since sunsetted the
Atom project, and it will see no further development. VSC ate it for
lunch.
I have both Visual Studio Community Edition and Visual Studio Code 
installed, but only because I needed it for some specific projects in Go 
and to take a look at Rust. I hate this with a passion, it is just a POS 
if you have ever worked with any of the Borland IDEs, or with 
Delphi/Lazarus. Even when I have to do work in C (not C++ or C#,  which 
I also avoid like the plague where and whenever I can), I prefer to use 
Pelle's C instead...
Those are just a fraction of the size of that "Visual" carp too, Visual 
Studio CE with only MSC installed comes in at about 8GB!

If you are running DOS, the new freeware TSE Pro 2.5 produuct may be a
very nice upgrade oer what ou have, and I'm pleased to see it offered,


Don't have much use for a  large file size editor in DOS anymore, and 
that was the only reason why I used it in the "days of old", much rather 
use PSPad under Windows for that purpose nowadays instead ...



Ralf



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Re: [Freedos-user] Semware has released TSE as Freeware

[Ben Collver]

I used Qedit (Q.EXE) as my primary editor on my first PC.  It has the same 
Wordstar key bindings that i grew accustomed to using Borland's Turbo-Basic and 
Turbo-Pascal in school.  It continued to be my editor of choice until i started 
using Unix.  So i am pleased that TSE Pro 2.5 has been released as freeware. :-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Semware has released TSE as Freeware

[Ralf Quint]

On 10/21/2022 5:20 AM, Joseph Norton wrote:


Hi:

Basically, he mentioned that the reason he released it as freeware was 
that he hadn’t made too much in profits for quite a while.


No too surprised. The market for DOS bases software is all but dead 30 
years after the EOL of MS-DOS.


And offering a text based UI for a Windows program, well, that isn't 
likely to draw big crowds either... ;-)


He still plans to work on the product (probably the Windows and Linux 
versions) when he can, but, is opening things up to the user community.



Well, would be nice if he would make it Open Source...


Sent from Mail  for 
Windows



Shudder., yuk... :(


Ralf
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Re: [Freedos-user] Semware has released TSE as Freeware

[Joseph Norton]

Hi: Basically, he mentioned that the reason he released it as freeware was that he hadn’t made too much in profits for quite a while. He still plans to work on the product (probably the Windows and Linux versions) when he can, but, is opening things up to the user community. Cheers! Sent from Mail for Windows From: dmccunneySent: Friday, October 21, 2022 12:19 AMTo: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS.Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Semware has released TSE as Freeware I recall Qedit, and used it back in the day, though it was never myprimary editor. It got renamed from Qedit to TSE due to a trademark issue.  Qedit author SammyMitchell was unaware there was another editor called WEDIT, providedby Hewlett-Packard for their midrange multi-user systems line.  Oops! If memory seres, Qedit itself got renamed TSE, Jr., and was identicalto Qedit.  Full TSE was a shareware product intended to be asignificant improvement on Qedit.  What is offered on the Semwarewebsite is TSE Pro 2.5, a significant upgrade to TSE 2.0, and acommercial product. I haven't looked at the Windows and Linux versions that aer nowfreeware, nor have I had a chance to look at the DOS offering,  But Iwas in email contact with Sammy back when he was developing theWindows and Linux versions.  I don't think they have much in commonwith the DOS product.  Among other things, Sammy was creating a newlanguage that could be used to write editors in.  I very much doubtwhat was done in the Semware Editor for Windows and Linux is*possible* under DOS.  It requires memory, a multitasking OS, and amore advanced file system than DOS can offer, I have to drop Sammy a note, but I suspect he made the Semware Editorfreeware because it was no longer a viable commercial product,Competition in that area is brutal.  There are various commercialeditors for tjhings like Java development still out there, but themost popular current general purpose programmers are Microsoft'scommercial Visual Studio product, and their free and open sourceVisual Studio Code product, based on the Electron framework firstintroduced for Github's Atom editor.  Github has since sunsetted theAtom project, and it will see no further development. VSC ate it forlunch. If you are running DOS, the new freeware TSE Pro 2.5 produuct may be avery nice upgrade oer what ou have, and I'm pleased to see it offered,__Dennis  ___Freedos-user mailing listFreedos-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user 

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Re: [Freedos-user] Semware has released TSE as Freeware

[dmccunney]

I recall Qedit, and used it back in the day, though it was never my
primary editor.

It got renamed from Qedit to TSE due to a trademark issue.  Qedit author Sammy
Mitchell was unaware there was another editor called WEDIT, provided
by Hewlett-Packard for their midrange multi-user systems line.  Oops!

If memory seres, Qedit itself got renamed TSE, Jr., and was identical
to Qedit.  Full TSE was a shareware product intended to be a
significant improvement on Qedit.  What is offered on the Semware
website is TSE Pro 2.5, a significant upgrade to TSE 2.0, and a
commercial product.

I haven't looked at the Windows and Linux versions that aer now
freeware, nor have I had a chance to look at the DOS offering,  But I
was in email contact with Sammy back when he was developing the
Windows and Linux versions.  I don't think they have much in common
with the DOS product.  Among other things, Sammy was creating a new
language that could be used to write editors in.  I very much doubt
what was done in the Semware Editor for Windows and Linux is
*possible* under DOS.  It requires memory, a multitasking OS, and a
more advanced file system than DOS can offer,

I have to drop Sammy a note, but I suspect he made the Semware Editor
freeware because it was no longer a viable commercial product,
Competition in that area is brutal.  There are various commercial
editors for tjhings like Java development still out there, but the
most popular current general purpose programmers are Microsoft's
commercial Visual Studio product, and their free and open source
Visual Studio Code product, based on the Electron framework first
introduced for Github's Atom editor.  Github has since sunsetted the
Atom project, and it will see no further development. VSC ate it for
lunch.

If you are running DOS, the new freeware TSE Pro 2.5 produuct may be a
very nice upgrade oer what ou have, and I'm pleased to see it offered,
__
Dennis


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Re: [Freedos-user] Semware has released TSE as Freeware

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi guys
wow, I have fond memories of qedit, but was doing all my editing with 
wordperfect by the time this came along.
Snagged a copy to try, but wonder how well it works from a speech 
standpoint?

The later regular  MS DOS edit program was sort of icky.
Kare



On Thu, 20 Oct 2022, Travis Siegel wrote:

I actually registered this program when it was still shareware. qedit version 
3.0C was the last version of qedit, then they went to TSE.?? When I 
registered, I asked if 3.0c was still possible to register, because I 
preferred that version.?? They told me no, and gave my registration for tse 
instead, but since it behaved almost exactly like qedit, I soon came to like 
it just as much, so overall, I didn't mind the switch.?? Great editor though, 
glad to see it being released.?? Going to have to grab a copy.


Thanks for pointing out this one.


On 10/20/2022 6:47 PM, joseph.nor...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hi listers:

 If any of you remember Qedit, or its big brother TSE (the Semware Editor),
 you may be interested to know that TSE if released as freeware.

 You can download a copy at www.semware.com .

 Though the Windows version is prominently displayed, you???ll also see the
 DOS version can be downloaded as well.

 Here???s a link to the DOS version:

 https://semware.com/files/tse-pro-install/tse250e.zip

 The file should be unzipped at the root of your DOS system with directory
 structure preserved (pkunzip -d tse250e.zip).?? Unzip does this
 automatically.?? You???ll have a directory called TSE250E which you might
 want to rename to TSE.

 Note that, this is the version from 1997, and it hasn???t been updated in
 a while.?? Jemex may have problems with it, but, not sure which program is
 at fault.

 Now that the program can be downloaded, testing may be possible to
 determine this.

 Cheers.



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Re: [Freedos-user] Semware has released TSE as Freeware

[Travis Siegel]

I actually registered this program when it was still shareware. qedit 
version 3.0C was the last version of qedit, then they went to TSE.  When 
I registered, I asked if 3.0c was still possible to register, because I 
preferred that version.  They told me no, and gave my registration for 
tse instead, but since it behaved almost exactly like qedit, I soon came 
to like it just as much, so overall, I didn't mind the switch.  Great 
editor though, glad to see it being released.  Going to have to grab a 
copy.


Thanks for pointing out this one.


On 10/20/2022 6:47 PM, joseph.nor...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi listers:

If any of you remember Qedit, or its big brother TSE (the Semware 
Editor), you may be interested to know that TSE if released as freeware.


You can download a copy at www.semware.com .

Though the Windows version is prominently displayed, you’ll also see 
the DOS version can be downloaded as well.


Here’s a link to the DOS version:

https://semware.com/files/tse-pro-install/tse250e.zip

The file should be unzipped at the root of your DOS system with 
directory structure preserved (pkunzip -d tse250e.zip).  Unzip does 
this automatically.  You’ll have a directory called TSE250E which you 
might want to rename to TSE.


Note that, this is the version from 1997, and it hasn’t been updated 
in a while.  Jemex may have problems with it, but, not sure which 
program is at fault.


Now that the program can be downloaded, testing may be possible to 
determine this.


Cheers.



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Re: [Freedos-user] Semware has released TSE as Freeware

[Jim Hall]

On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 5:48 PM  wrote:
>
> If any of you remember Qedit, or its big brother TSE (the Semware Editor),
> you may be interested to know that TSE if released as freeware.
>
> You can download a copy at www.semware.com.
>
> Though the Windows version is prominently displayed, you’ll also see
> the DOS version can be downloaded as well.
>
> Here’s a link to the DOS version:
>
> https://semware.com/files/tse-pro-install/tse250e.zip
>
> The file should be unzipped at the root of your DOS system with
> directory structure preserved (pkunzip -d tse250e.zip).  Unzip does
> this automatically.  You’ll have a directory called TSE250E which you
> might want to rename to TSE.
>
> Note that, this is the version from 1997, and it hasn’t been updated
> in a while.  Jemex may have problems with it, but, not sure which program
> is at fault.
>
> Now that the program can be downloaded, testing may be possible to
> determine this.


Very cool! It's not open source, so we can't include it in FreeDOS.
But it's still great to see classic DOS software released as freeware.
(A lot of the older software may not have source code to share anyway,
or may be unavailable for other reasons.)

I'm sure others will be interested in this, so I'll post a news item
about it on the FreeDOS website.


Jim


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[Freedos-user] Semware has released TSE as Freeware

[joseph.norton]

Hi listers:

 

If any of you remember Qedit, or its big brother TSE (the Semware Editor),
you may be interested to know that TSE if released as freeware.

 

You can download a copy at www.semware.com  .

 

Though the Windows version is prominently displayed, you'll also see the DOS
version can be downloaded as well.

 

Here's a link to the DOS version:

 

https://semware.com/files/tse-pro-install/tse250e.zip

 

The file should be unzipped at the root of your DOS system with directory
structure preserved (pkunzip -d tse250e.zip).  Unzip does this
automatically.  You'll have a directory called TSE250E which you might want
to rename to TSE.

 

Note that, this is the version from 1997, and it hasn't been updated in a
while.  Jemex may have problems with it, but, not sure which program is at
fault.

 

Now that the program can be downloaded, testing may be possible to determine
this.

 

Cheers.

 

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