Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.

2006-05-18 Thread Bart Oldeman 

On Wed, 10 May 2006, Johnson Lam wrote:


Quote a few lines from his email:

=
I did not "model" QHIMEM after Microsoft HIMEM V2.03, like you know.
QHIMEM's source or binary files are very different from V2.03 HIMEM.
Disassemblies may only confuse folks.   But they are welcome to try.
=


Hey, I always like a challenge, so if I was welcome to try, I disassembled 
a bit.


Some observations:

QHIMEM is indeed not modelled after MS HIMEM. You can see that the MS 
source has been referenced, e.g. in the algorithm for allocating an EMB 
(very similar) and how to decide when to use PS/2 A20 switching (the 
"MCA" bit for int15/ah=c0). It certainly doesn't have a "clean-room" feel 
(purely coded from XMS spec), but that may not be necessary.


Just like FD-HIMEM and FDXMS it either uses INT15/AH=87, or temporarily 
switches to protected mode (almost the same GDT setup) to copy. However, 
and that is what the interrupt stuff is all about, it copies in chunks of 
8K: for every 8K it returns to real mode, STI's, CLI's and gets back into 
protected mode. QHIMEM, unlike MS-HIMEM, does not use flat real mode (aka 
unreal mode).


I'm not sure where Jack got the 8K from -- maybe the timing on the slowest 
possible machine (386SX 16MHz) has something to do with it.


The value for int15/87 is 1K, where FD-HIMEM and FDXMS use 8K chunks.

QHIMEM uses a few tricks to save memory, e.g.:
* the KBD A20 switching code is overwritten with PS/2 A20 switching code
  when necessary
* eax is initialized to 0 and is exploited that way (saves 1-3 bytes in
  various asm instructions, versus an immediate 0 operand)
* comparisons versus number of handles are patched in the code to save on
  an extra variable in the data segment
* the XMS spec requires that " In order to maintain compatibility with
  existing device drivers, DOS XMS drivers must not hook INT 15h until
  the first non-Version Number call to the control function is made."
  the "hook int15" code + various other delayed init code is copied to
  (hardcoded) segment 0x7030, and called from there so it does not stay
  resident.
  This is somewhat risky: it relies on the fact that the DOS kernel does
  not overwrite anything there, and will make XMS calls itself.
  That usually happens, or QHIMEM would crash.
  Segment 7030 is also used for communication between QHMBOOT and QHIMEM.

That's the gist of it, at least from my mileage.

Bart


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Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.

2006-05-10 Thread Johnson Lam 
On Tue, 9 May 2006 21:20:25 +1200 (NZST), you wrote:

Bart,

>Ok, in that case, what is the bugzilla bug number? I think people are 
>wondering here what this stuff is all about, without any real 
>(reproduceable) technical details given.

I'm sorry, from the very beginning I don't know how to use it.

You're right, it's non-productive, but since Jack totally pissed off
by Eric, he refuse to disclose any detail, even I cannot help.

>All we can see is that someone wrote a closed-source driver that allegedly 
>fixes a problem that I can't find in bugzilla, and now nobody knows what 
>it's all about.

All I can say is too late, once upon a time UDMA and XDMA is open
source, but he was greatly upset so he closed the source.

Now he keep on working on it IS request by many users, otherwise he
simply stop all the projects.

>Well --- obviously, if you have a lot of time you can disassemble 
>qhimem.sys, diff it with the MS reference source code and try to make 
>sense of it. But that's a bit of a waste of time with no developer 
>benefit, ain't it?

QHIMEM was written from scratch, with "refer" to MS-source, so there
will be no MS code in it.

Quote a few lines from his email:

=
I wanted (A) a smaller XMS manager, (B) to help you and me save low-
memory, and (C) when other XMS drivers all failed, I created my own.

After that, I have no obligation to debug nor document FDXMS faults.

Those who wonder "what is going on" can now see your QHIMEM page for
 the problems I noted in other XMS managers.

I did not "model" QHIMEM after Microsoft HIMEM V2.03, like you know.
QHIMEM's source or binary files are very different from V2.03 HIMEM.
Disassemblies may only confuse folks.   But they are welcome to try.
=

I'm tired of many meaningless quarrels, now I'm trying to clam down
and return peace in the mailing-list.

Honestly I'm sorry to disturb everyone's mood, being bad mood is not a
pleasure.


Rgds,
Johnson.


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Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.

2006-05-09 Thread Florian Xaver 
I only see this emails and am frustrated. If all of these words would be 
code, FreeDOS 1.0 would have been released ;-)


bye
 flo

Johnson Lam wrote:

On Tue, 9 May 2006 10:14:42 +0200, you wrote:

Hi,

Sorry I'm quite sick physically, got a flu and problem in right eye,
may not be able to reply within a few days.

And Jim was right, this kind of email are very annoying, I'm too tired
to reply.

Or someone will glad to see me unsubscribe from the list, I'll respect
your decision.


technical advise is welcome.


Wise.


I can't remember any technical advise.
I can't remember any technical description of the problem,


Originally he found 4 bugs, this is one of them.
But since he's so fury now, he won't tell.


why ellis thinks that this problem was caused by disabling interrupts,
and how he solved it (it's probably not as easy as just leaving
interrupts enabled)


Leave the interrupts diables is safe? He told me it's dangerous.

If you blame him for anger and upsetting language, I'm very sorry,
he's only a human.


I join the list to help people, and want to share any good programs I
found, but the people here simply don't want the truth,

'the truth' ? the one eternal truth ? really THE TRUTH ?


Play the tricks again?

There's no eternal true, but DO challenge someone with REASON, maybe
you "buy" the style of Mr. Auer, you can tolerate him but not Jack?


Rgds,
Johnson.


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Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.

2006-05-09 Thread Eric Auer 


Hi Tom, the mails from Jack / Johnson actually
do contain technical advice. Jack thinks that
leaving interrupts disabled during a big XMS
move means that interrupts from fast hardware
like gigabit ethernet will be lost. So Jack
recommends to split the big move into several
smaller moves. Between those, the system would
return to real mode (or if EMM386 is loaded to
v86 mode) and interrupts can be enabled for a
moment. As switching to and from protected mode
is slow, it would be a good idea to make the
maximum size of "XMS move with interrupts disabled"
configurable - people without fast interrupt sources
may want to do all XMS moves in one chunk, as
FDXMS / HIMEM does, for maximum XMS speed. People
with fast interrupt sources may want to do things
QHIMEM style, with some IRQ windows during larger
XMS moves.


Jack just want to warn about the "FDXMS/HIMEM interrupt not locking"
simply need to change, yet a number of people go seize him!


I think we did not criticize the idea of allowing
interrupts during XMS moves from time to time. The
"flame" part of the mails was about other things.


why ellis thinks that this problem was caused by disabling interrupts,
and how he solved it (it's probably not as easy as just leaving
interrupts enabled)


See above - you cannot leave interrupts on all the time
but an implementation in the style described above would
not be very complex :-).


ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/Softlib/MSLFILES/XMS.EXE


As Bart said,


http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freedos/news/press/2000-himem.txt


(1/2000 "HIMEM.SYS was open-sourced" which tells that MS offered
a developer's kit, including XMS 2.0 HIMEM sources, back in 1989 and,
later in the discussion, that there is that XMS.EXE which contains
XMS 3.0 specs and driver sources... The copyright is simply "1988 MS"
but only the SPECS are "public domain", but MS does not tell which
license they want for the SOURCES... I guess one could ask them ;-))

... so there still is a license problem. Arkady also said:


Though, there sayed about public domain for XMS spec (developed joinly
by MS and Lotus), but sources in those archive are not (explicitly)
clarified.


Eric

PS: So I guess we can try out by letting QHIMEM gain popularity
and waiting if MS cares ;-). Remember that even a "NEWDOS" site
with a MS DOS 7 distro was online for several months before MS
asked them to take the site offline again. MS is not very eager
in reducing the availability of MS DOS boot disks, I would say.
People would use OTHER DOSes otherwise, that kind of explains it.



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Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.

2006-05-09 Thread Bart Oldeman 

On Tue, 9 May 2006, Johnson Lam wrote:


Originally he found 4 bugs, this is one of them.


Ok, in that case, what is the bugzilla bug number? I think people are 
wondering here what this stuff is all about, without any real 
(reproduceable) technical details given.


All we can see is that someone wrote a closed-source driver that allegedly 
fixes a problem that I can't find in bugzilla, and now nobody knows what 
it's all about.


Well --- obviously, if you have a lot of time you can disassemble 
qhimem.sys, diff it with the MS reference source code and try to make 
sense of it. But that's a bit of a waste of time with no developer 
benefit, ain't it?


Bart



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Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.

2006-05-09 Thread Bart Oldeman 

On Tue, 9 May 2006, Robert Riebisch wrote:


Yes. ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/softlib/mslfiles/XMS.EXE


Just google a bit: deja vu:

http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freedos/news/press/2000-himem.txt

and the consensus was

"

... Therefore you cannot derive any rights from
it to change or modify it or re-use portions of it within FreeDOS tools.

"

note that the BSD license explicitly allows modification (provided 
that...) and nothing is written about that in the MS source code, just 
that the *specification* is in the public domain.


(BTW I don't think offending people really helps, and as far as Eric is 
concerned, I've never seen him doing it consciously (certainly no CAPITAL 
name calling like the posts here), but I have been annoyed by Eric's 
emails from time to time, simply because he did not do his homework 
(IMHO) and he could save a lot of people's time by spending time testing 
all the suggestions made instead of typing long emails -- but I think the 
right strategy is to not feel offended or take things personally but just 
to ignore, life is too short to worry about these things -- but anyway 
enough said about this).


Bart


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Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.

2006-05-09 Thread Johnson Lam 
On Tue, 9 May 2006 10:14:42 +0200, you wrote:

Hi,

Sorry I'm quite sick physically, got a flu and problem in right eye,
may not be able to reply within a few days.

And Jim was right, this kind of email are very annoying, I'm too tired
to reply.

Or someone will glad to see me unsubscribe from the list, I'll respect
your decision.

>technical advise is welcome.

Wise.

>I can't remember any technical advise.
>I can't remember any technical description of the problem,

Originally he found 4 bugs, this is one of them.
But since he's so fury now, he won't tell.

>why ellis thinks that this problem was caused by disabling interrupts,
>and how he solved it (it's probably not as easy as just leaving
>interrupts enabled)

Leave the interrupts diables is safe? He told me it's dangerous.

If you blame him for anger and upsetting language, I'm very sorry,
he's only a human.

>> I join the list to help people, and want to share any good programs I
>> found, but the people here simply don't want the truth,
>'the truth' ? the one eternal truth ? really THE TRUTH ?

Play the tricks again?

There's no eternal true, but DO challenge someone with REASON, maybe
you "buy" the style of Mr. Auer, you can tolerate him but not Jack?


Rgds,
Johnson.


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Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.

2006-05-09 Thread tom ehlert 
Hello Johnson,

> If you still insist ignoring the "technical advise", I'll care no
> more, it only cause the users who lost their data mourn and grinning
> their teeth.

technical advise is welcome.

> Jack just want to warn about the "FDXMS/HIMEM interrupt not locking"
> simply need to change, yet a number of people go seize him!


I can't remember any technical advise.
I can't remember any technical description of the problem,
why ellis thinks that this problem was caused by disabling interrupts,
and how he solved it (it's probably not as easy as just leaving
interrupts enabled)

> Is it a OPEN and FREE community's rules?
the OPEN and FREE refers to publishing the source code


> I join the list to help people, and want to share any good programs I
> found, but the people here simply don't want the truth,
'the truth' ? the one eternal truth ? really THE TRUTH ?

tom



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Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.

2006-05-09 Thread Robert Riebisch 
Eric Auer wrote:

> That is indeed interesting to know. MS published the sources
> of their own himem on their own servers? Why did you not tell

Yes. ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/softlib/mslfiles/XMS.EXE

> that before? And which license do they use? I guess we have

I knew (read "guessed") that already.

> based on my "offline" experience that MS never lets other people
> use the source code (and often does not even let them see it) of
> their stuff.

***
This specification was jointly developed by Microsoft Corporation,
Lotus Development Corporation, Intel Corporation,and AST Research,
Inc. Although it has been released into the public domain and is not
confidential or proprietary, the specification is still the copyright
and property of Microsoft Corporation, Lotus Development Corporation,
Intel Corporation, and AST Research, Inc.
***

Sounds like a BSD license to me. ;-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.

2006-05-08 Thread Johnson Lam 
On Mon, 8 May 2006 19:57:55 -0700, you wrote:

>Jack shouldn't take offense to things that half the people on the list
>don't consider offensive.  Everybody has a different way of expressing
>themselves and others should just accept that.

Eric is not only offend Jack, he offend a lot of people, but he's
happily keep on his "good work", but nobody did anything to "balance".


Rgds,
Johnson.


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Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.

2006-05-08 Thread Blair Campbell 

If you accuse Jack for his impolite, I can agree. I can only say if
Eric leave Jack alone, most of the "angry" post will not appear.


Jack shouldn't take offense to things that half the people on the list
don't consider offensive.  Everybody has a different way of expressing
themselves and others should just accept that.

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Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.

2006-05-08 Thread Johnson Lam 
On Mon, 08 May 2006 14:49:26 -0500, you wrote:

Dear Mister,

>You know, I'm _really_ tired of hearing this same rant.  I'd appreciate 
>if you wouldn't keep reposting this to the mailing lists.  It's not 
>productive; you know what the results are going to be, how people are 
>going to react.  And we really don't need another flame war about this 
>topic.  I'm completely flamed out these days.

I think Jack want to "end" up the topic right now.
I'm sorry to post just "insult" to Eric Auer, but since his speech was
not base on "facts" but almost near to "personal attack", the feedback
maybe a bit too much to him.

If you accuse Jack for his impolite, I can agree. I can only say if
Eric leave Jack alone, most of the "angry" post will not appear.

>I gave up listening to Jack's rants a long time ago.  I'm sorry that 
>Jack (and you) believe that my not responding to these flame attempts 
>means that I don't care about FreeDOS anymore.  That's not the case.  I 
>_do_ care about FreeDOS.  But the truth of the matter is that I have 
>stopped listening to your and Jack's rants on this matter.

I don't think it's a good practice to "gave up listening to Jack's
rants a long time ago", did you "gave up listening to Eric's rants"?

If you still insist ignoring the "technical advise", I'll care no
more, it only cause the users who lost their data mourn and grinning
their teeth.

Jack just want to warn about the "FDXMS/HIMEM interrupt not locking"
simply need to change, yet a number of people go seize him! Is it a
OPEN and FREE community's rules?

>This really needs to stop.

I join the list to help people, and want to share any good programs I
found, but the people here simply don't want the truth, the one who
burnt out is me.


Rgds,
Johnson.


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Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.

2006-05-08 Thread Blair Campbell 

On 5/6/06, Johnson Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Johnson,

You are free to post this on FD-Devel.   They should see it.


Johnson, I would highly recommend to not repost these e-mails
publicly, because they are quite upsetting and completely uncalled
for.  If Jack says he doesn't want flame wars, then don't start them. 
This e-mail is certainly one that I would consider liable to start

one.

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Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.

2006-05-08 Thread Scott Mayo 
Honestly, what's the average age on this list? Eleven?





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Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.

2006-05-08 Thread tom ehlert 
Hello Johnson,

> You are free to post this on FD-Devel.   They should see it.
...

> If Auer/DeVore/Ehlert/Lucho/Hall believe I would ever help THEM again,
> after all the ABUSE directed at me on FD-User and FD-Devel, they truly
> have LOST THEIR MARBLES!!!
I'm tired/annoyed/pissed by this ellis guy, sitting behind a fence
and throwing shit at us (in capital letters).

feel free to edit and repost the technical parts of ellis mails; spare
us the capitals.

please stop reposting this shit.


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Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.

2006-05-08 Thread Eric Auer 


Hi Johnson / Jack / Jim / ...,


I'm not going to tell that man ONE DAMN THING of what
I know about FDXMS.


I had hoped you would want FDXMS to improve. But okay, it
seems like you prefer to replace it, and do want FDXMS to
stay buggy. Your choice.


... after saying "the first 50 lines" ...
I shouldn't need to tell a "normal" programmer they are its comments!!


It is my free choice not to know the contents of fdxms.asm
by heart. It is good to hear from you that this file starts
with 50 or more lines of comments, but you cannot expect me
to actually download and read the file. In other words, it
is far from obvious for me that the first 50 lines of the
source are not source but are comments. Don't blame me for
being ignorant about this.


Auer continues to think my QHIMEM sources "questionable", he need only
ask Lucho where to find such sources on the Microsoft servers!


That is indeed interesting to know. MS published the sources
of their own himem on their own servers? Why did you not tell
that before? And which license do they use? I guess we have
had that discussion before, but you should NOT assume that I
know everything which I COULD find out in 15 minutes if I had
KNOWN beforehand where to look. In other words, I did not ask
Lucho, because nobody told me to ask Lucho. My opinion was just
based on my "offline" experience that MS never lets other people
use the source code (and often does not even let them see it) of
their stuff.


Sad, as you told me, that Martin Stromberg left FreeDOS same as I did...
so I guess FDXMS will never be upgraded.   Otherwise, I would send him
some lines from QHIMEM and he could upgrade FDXMS in maybe 20 minutes.


You can meet Martin on our IRC channel every day. He is often
away from keyboard, so do not expect a quick reaction. He did
not "leave FreeDOS" if you ask me - but he sees little NEED for
FDXMS updates at the moment and thinks that FDXMS has very few bugs,
so there ARE no FDXMS updates. Email him about the bugs, then
he might publish bugfixes. In addition, Martin does not have much
spare time for hobby projects like FDXMS. Some of his other projects
are simply no part of FreeDOS because they are still experimental.

As most of us, his goal is not to make DOS perfect but to do some
interesting experiments with it and to create something useful.
We are in the lucky situation that we can share the results of
those experiments, and others can enjoy FreeDOS without having
programmed  anything for it themselves, but obviously it is not
our job or duty to make FreeDOS meet any specific project goals.
Nobody is paid to work on it.

Eric

PS: Jim wrote

You know, I'm _really_ tired of hearing this same rant.
I'd appreciate if you wouldn't keep reposting this to the
mailing lists. It's not productive...

... I would also appreciate if Jack / Johnson wrote more
helpful and fewer "rantful" mails. But I have learned to either
ignore the rants or at least not to get angry about them ...
If you read between the lines, the rants sometimes even do
contain useful information. Well. Sometimes they do ...



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Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.

2006-05-08 Thread Jim Hall 

Johnson:

You know, I'm _really_ tired of hearing this same rant.  I'd appreciate 
if you wouldn't keep reposting this to the mailing lists.  It's not 
productive; you know what the results are going to be, how people are 
going to react.  And we really don't need another flame war about this 
topic.  I'm completely flamed out these days.


I gave up listening to Jack's rants a long time ago.  I'm sorry that 
Jack (and you) believe that my not responding to these flame attempts 
means that I don't care about FreeDOS anymore.  That's not the case.  I 
_do_ care about FreeDOS.  But the truth of the matter is that I have 
stopped listening to your and Jack's rants on this matter.


This really needs to stop.

-jh



Johnson Lam wrote:

Johnson,

You are free to post this on FD-Devel.   They should see it.

Re: your private E-Mail to Auer [in which you noted my request to tell
Mark Bailey to try QHIMEM, and if he inquired why, to see the first 50
lines of the FDXMS source], and given Auer's reply --

  

So I could not know that Jack was talking about the comments.
You wrote "source", not "comments".



"Friend" Auer is either stupid or is playing his usual games with you!
What does he think a "source file" is, something that ends with .LST??
The current FDXMS094.ZIP file on IBiblio has only one file with a sub-
name of .ASM, which is FDXMS.ASM!!   That should be the first file any
"normal" programmer looks at!!   And after saying "the first 50 lines"
I shouldn't need to tell a "normal" programmer they are its comments!!

Re: your other E-Mail to Auer, I'm not going to tell that man ONE DAMN
THING of what I know about FDXMS.   As you recall, I tried to help him
by checking his "LBACache" files, after finding my "NMI bug" in UDMA2.
So what does he do??   He kicks me AGAIN 16-Apr-2006 on FD-User!!   If
Auer continues to think my QHIMEM sources "questionable", he need only
ask Lucho where to find such sources on the Microsoft servers!!   They
are still published and available, and they include full documentation
and even a test suite for those who want to DO THEIR OWN XMS MANAGER!!

Nor, as I have noted, do I fault AT ALL the creators of FDXMS.They
wanted a simple XMS manager for systems available in 1995.   In fact I
value their work!   QHIMEM has one of FDXMS' ideas that helped me save
a lot of memory, merged with one of my ideas that avoids any problems!
Sad, as you told me, that Martin Stromberg left FreeDOS same as I did,
so I guess FDXMS will never be upgraded.   Otherwise, I would send him
some lines from QHIMEM and he could upgrade FDXMS in maybe 20 minutes.

As for FDXMS' "evil twin" FD-HIMEM, that is a quite-different matter!!
If Auer/DeVore/Ehlert/Lucho/Hall believe I would ever help THEM again,
after all the ABUSE directed at me on FD-User and FD-Devel, they truly
have LOST THEIR MARBLES!!!   I will merely wait for V1.0 FreeDOS to go
"out the door" with its present XMS drivers intact.   I want to SEE it
used on a system with a RAMDISK driver, that copies perhaps a 16-MB or
larger file "internally" while a scanner, high-speed Ethernet card, or
other processes try to run simultaneously.   After that system CRASHES
IN FREEDOS' FACE, I hope none of the above five DARES come to ME!!!

Best wishes,

Jack R. Ellis
  



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[Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.

2006-05-08 Thread Johnson Lam 
Johnson,

You are free to post this on FD-Devel.   They should see it.

Re: your private E-Mail to Auer [in which you noted my request to tell
Mark Bailey to try QHIMEM, and if he inquired why, to see the first 50
lines of the FDXMS source], and given Auer's reply --

> So I could not know that Jack was talking about the comments.
> You wrote "source", not "comments".

"Friend" Auer is either stupid or is playing his usual games with you!
What does he think a "source file" is, something that ends with .LST??
The current FDXMS094.ZIP file on IBiblio has only one file with a sub-
name of .ASM, which is FDXMS.ASM!!   That should be the first file any
"normal" programmer looks at!!   And after saying "the first 50 lines"
I shouldn't need to tell a "normal" programmer they are its comments!!

Re: your other E-Mail to Auer, I'm not going to tell that man ONE DAMN
THING of what I know about FDXMS.   As you recall, I tried to help him
by checking his "LBACache" files, after finding my "NMI bug" in UDMA2.
So what does he do??   He kicks me AGAIN 16-Apr-2006 on FD-User!!   If
Auer continues to think my QHIMEM sources "questionable", he need only
ask Lucho where to find such sources on the Microsoft servers!!   They
are still published and available, and they include full documentation
and even a test suite for those who want to DO THEIR OWN XMS MANAGER!!

Nor, as I have noted, do I fault AT ALL the creators of FDXMS.They
wanted a simple XMS manager for systems available in 1995.   In fact I
value their work!   QHIMEM has one of FDXMS' ideas that helped me save
a lot of memory, merged with one of my ideas that avoids any problems!
Sad, as you told me, that Martin Stromberg left FreeDOS same as I did,
so I guess FDXMS will never be upgraded.   Otherwise, I would send him
some lines from QHIMEM and he could upgrade FDXMS in maybe 20 minutes.

As for FDXMS' "evil twin" FD-HIMEM, that is a quite-different matter!!
If Auer/DeVore/Ehlert/Lucho/Hall believe I would ever help THEM again,
after all the ABUSE directed at me on FD-User and FD-Devel, they truly
have LOST THEIR MARBLES!!!   I will merely wait for V1.0 FreeDOS to go
"out the door" with its present XMS drivers intact.   I want to SEE it
used on a system with a RAMDISK driver, that copies perhaps a 16-MB or
larger file "internally" while a scanner, high-speed Ethernet card, or
other processes try to run simultaneously.   After that system CRASHES
IN FREEDOS' FACE, I hope none of the above five DARES come to ME!!!

Best wishes,

Jack R. Ellis


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