Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS "FDNPKG install" CD
Hi, On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Bernd Blaauw wrote: > Rugxulo schreef op 28-7-2013 0:55: > >> 1.9 has been latest stable for three years now. I haven't been >> following their latest progress, so I don't really know much about it. > > 1.5 was listed in above textfile, guess that's the last one Arkady made. > Thought you had a more recent archive for v1.8 or so. Officially, they stopped including separate .ZIPs after 1.3, so everything after that had to be done manually. Most people never complained, AFAIK. A quick check shows that Arkady did at least package up 1.7.1 for us: http://www.openwatcom.org/index.php/Alternative_Open_Watcom_distribution Though I did always think having to download 80 MB .EXE (.ZIP'd with sfx installer, ~200 MB unpacked) just for the DOS-only portion was overkill, hence I did make a "DOS host/target only" .7z file, which was only 7 MB (or 45 MB unpacked). Though if all you wanted was bare bones C (and no helpfiles, etc), even this could be a bit much. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/devel/c/openwatcom/1.9/open-watcom-c-dos-1.9.7z -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS "FDNPKG install" CD
Hi, UPX appears indeed in two repositories - IIRC I've put it into both DEVEL and UTIL, since it seemed to fit both.. Of course I am interested in your isolinux image, although I don't fully understand the benefits of using isolinux versus a 'normal' floppy emulation? To create the FDNPKG CD I use mkisofs, and feed it with a raw image of the boot floppy I prepared: mkisofs -input-charset cp437 -b boot.img -iso-level 1 -f -o all_cd.iso cdroot Could you tell how I would use your solution, and what improvements it provides? cheers, Mateusz On 07/28/2013 07:19 PM, Bernd Blaauw wrote: > Rugxulo schreef op 28-7-2013 0:55: > >> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/cdrom/uide/ > > Yep, that includes XMGR > >> Latest of this is actually 2013-05-23 : > > Oops, didn't notice while browsing the archives. > >> Again? I don't remember, but yeah, you could argue it belongs in >> "UTIL" or somewhere else. Dunno, doesn't matter I guess. > > There's a LISTING.TXT on the 400MB CD, generated by some script. It > mentioned UPX a couple of times. > >>> Watcom: most recent? >> >> 1.9 has been latest stable for three years now. I haven't been >> following their latest progress, so I don't really know much about it. > > 1.5 was listed in above textfile, guess that's the last one Arkady made. > Thought you had a more recent archive for v1.8 or so. > > Anyway, I got a 2MB ISO file ready of which the content can be added on > top of the 400MB CD. ISO recreation necessary. It also acts as an > isolinux-demonstration. I'll mail it to Mateusz if he's interested. > > Old method of bootdisk-emulation also still possible, I don't know by > which software the 400MB ISO was created and using which parameters for > that. Anyway, had some fun modifying the bootdisk part slightly :) > > Bernd -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS "FDNPKG install" CD
Rugxulo schreef op 28-7-2013 0:55: > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/cdrom/uide/ Yep, that includes XMGR > Latest of this is actually 2013-05-23 : Oops, didn't notice while browsing the archives. > Again? I don't remember, but yeah, you could argue it belongs in > "UTIL" or somewhere else. Dunno, doesn't matter I guess. There's a LISTING.TXT on the 400MB CD, generated by some script. It mentioned UPX a couple of times. >> Watcom: most recent? > > 1.9 has been latest stable for three years now. I haven't been > following their latest progress, so I don't really know much about it. 1.5 was listed in above textfile, guess that's the last one Arkady made. Thought you had a more recent archive for v1.8 or so. Anyway, I got a 2MB ISO file ready of which the content can be added on top of the 400MB CD. ISO recreation necessary. It also acts as an isolinux-demonstration. I'll mail it to Mateusz if he's interested. Old method of bootdisk-emulation also still possible, I don't know by which software the 400MB ISO was created and using which parameters for that. Anyway, had some fun modifying the bootdisk part slightly :) Bernd -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS "FDNPKG install" CD
Hi, On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Bernd Blaauw wrote: > Mateusz Viste schreef op 22-7-2013 21:37: > > Also went over the CD, seeing the following obvious things: I haven't downloaded nor played with this .ISO, but FYI > upx v3.09 http://upx.sf.net A few months ago, I cross-compiled latest UPX-UCL 3.09 and put it on iBiblio: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/devel/upx/ > himemx v3.34http://www.japheth.de/Jemm.html I'm surprised Japheth is (also) hosting it now. 3.34 is not official, only a minor hack by Rod P, which hasn't been tested very well. Honestly, there is no maintainer, and 3.32 was Japheth's last "HimemX" update, about five years ago (not counting small makefile tweak). The 3.33 was another (very trivial) unofficial hack to add "jmp $+2" to work on old 386s. So calling it 3.34 is just for continuity reasons. > uide 30-april-2013 Johnson's website is no longer updated (only has older version), but latest is on iBiblio: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/cdrom/uide/ > mtcp: 2013-04-26 Latest of this is actually 2013-05-23 : http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=mtcp > DEVEL: contains UPX again Again? I don't remember, but yeah, you could argue it belongs in "UTIL" or somewhere else. Dunno, doesn't matter I guess. > Watcom: most recent? 1.9 has been latest stable for three years now. I haven't been following their latest progress, so I don't really know much about it. -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS "FDNPKG install" CD
Mateusz Viste schreef op 22-7-2013 21:37: > > edit // I examined settings of the virtual machine, and noticed that I > had set the 'CPU capping' to 30%. I moved the setting to 100%, and then > the miracle happened - both UDVD2 and FDAPM stopped freezing! I rebooted > many times to be sure, and it all worked every time. > > Emulation... Bleh :) That's good, maybe Ulrich could add this info to the wiki. For VMware, I know using JEMMEX masks a reboot-issue in kernel (or FreeCOM) when trying to do a keyboard-reboot-sequence (ctrl-alt-del , but in vmware it's ctrl-alt-insert so host OS doesn't catch the combo) REN CONFIG.SYS CONFIG.OLD results in: (getting the same issue on FDAPM COLDBOOT. WARMBOOT works, HOTBOOT hangs. No JEMMEX HOTBOOT driver present/loaded) Invalid opcode at FFF0 F000 0002 015C 0F9D 118A 00D9 0008 0070 118A 00D9 FF53 F000 Cannot terminate permanent FreeCOM instance System halted ... reboot or power off now Also went over the CD, seeing the following obvious things: upx v3.09 http://upx.sf.net himemx v3.34http://www.japheth.de/Jemm.html uide 30-april-2013 mtcp: 2013-04-26 DEVEL: contains UPX again Watcom: most recent? -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS "FDNPKG install" CD
In fact, it doesn't freeze all the time! Curiously, the behavior of UDVD2 (or VirtualBox, depends of the point of view I guess) is quite erratic. I rebooted the VBox machine several times. Sometimes it works fine (UDVD2 don't freeze), sometimes it freezes for a short moment (like 5-10s), and sometimes it freezes an entire minute. On a side note, it seems that VBox has also some troubles with FDAPM - half of the time, when I try FDAPM POWEROFF or FDAPM COLDBOOT, it freezes the virtualbox machine instead of actually halting or rebooting. edit // I examined settings of the virtual machine, and noticed that I had set the 'CPU capping' to 30%. I moved the setting to 100%, and then the miracle happened - both UDVD2 and FDAPM stopped freezing! I rebooted many times to be sure, and it all worked every time. Emulation... Bleh :) cheers, Mateusz On 07/22/2013 09:26 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote: > Hi, > > I did updated my VirtualBox install with the latest version available > (the Oracle one, not the OSE) - 4.2.16. Unfortunately, UDVD2 still > freezes there for - literally - a minute. It starts booting, and gets > stuck for ~1 minute on the screen on the screenshot below. > > http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/temp/udvd2_freeze/udvd2_freeze_vbox_4_2_16.png > > Then, after a minute it continues to boot happily, and CD access works > just fine. > > Using additional TSRs to solve the issue sounds a bit like a contraption > to me. Sure, it's technically interesting that such solutions exists, > but as a simple end user I naturally tend to pick solutions that works > out of the box, without requiring any additional magic (and XCDROM.SYS > seems to be such simple solution). > > regards, > Mateusz > > > > > > On 07/22/2013 08:38 PM, Rugxulo wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Mateusz Viste >> wrote: >>> >>> On 07/21/2013 07:59 PM, Bernd Blaauw wrote: >>> Ouch, thought this was solved, both with and without some custom fixing driver. Most recent VirtualBox (4.2.16?) used? Most recent UDVD2.SYS used? >>> >>> The UDVD2.SYS I used is the latest I could find (from the link you >>> provided). >>> >>> The VirtualBox I have is the one my distro packaged for me: 4.1.12. >>> Maybe this is something that got fixed in newer VBox.. dunno. >> >> I know it's a fairly big download (esp. on slow connection), but you >> could download latest directly from their site. They have a fairly big >> selection of Linux distro packages (Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, OpenSuSE, >> Mandriva), even one (well, x86 or x64) that says "all distributions"!! >> (EDIT: Apparently binaries for "all distros" are 81 MB in size each.) >> >> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads >> >> http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.2.16/VirtualBox-4.2.16-86992-Linux_x86.run >> http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.2.16/VirtualBox-4.2.16-86992-Linux_amd64.run >> In worst case, revert to XCDROM but keep UDVD2 around. >>> >>> That's exactly what I did. UDVD2 seems really nice. It just can't be a >>> default if it can trigger freezes >> >> I'm pretty sure this is fixed in newer versions. I mean, I don't use >> VBox much, but even on my painfully slow (no VT-X) laptop, I don't >> recall seeing any slowdown at bootup. >> >> BTW, I think there was also a DOS TSR that Eric Auer made for working >> around this. I don't know why it wasn't more widely publicized. I >> forget where I even got it, and I don't think I ever tested it. Worst >> case scenario: I (or Eric or ...) could email you that for testing. >> >> EDIT: Here is probably where I found it: >> >> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freedos/index.php?title=VirtualBox_-_Chapter_8#The_fix >> > > > -- > See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics > Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics > Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. > Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS "FDNPKG install" CD
Hi, I did updated my VirtualBox install with the latest version available (the Oracle one, not the OSE) - 4.2.16. Unfortunately, UDVD2 still freezes there for - literally - a minute. It starts booting, and gets stuck for ~1 minute on the screen on the screenshot below. http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/temp/udvd2_freeze/udvd2_freeze_vbox_4_2_16.png Then, after a minute it continues to boot happily, and CD access works just fine. Using additional TSRs to solve the issue sounds a bit like a contraption to me. Sure, it's technically interesting that such solutions exists, but as a simple end user I naturally tend to pick solutions that works out of the box, without requiring any additional magic (and XCDROM.SYS seems to be such simple solution). regards, Mateusz On 07/22/2013 08:38 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Mateusz Viste > wrote: >> >> On 07/21/2013 07:59 PM, Bernd Blaauw wrote: >> >>> Ouch, thought this was solved, both with and without some custom fixing >>> driver. Most recent VirtualBox (4.2.16?) used? Most recent UDVD2.SYS >>> used? >> >> The UDVD2.SYS I used is the latest I could find (from the link you >> provided). >> >> The VirtualBox I have is the one my distro packaged for me: 4.1.12. >> Maybe this is something that got fixed in newer VBox.. dunno. > > I know it's a fairly big download (esp. on slow connection), but you > could download latest directly from their site. They have a fairly big > selection of Linux distro packages (Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, OpenSuSE, > Mandriva), even one (well, x86 or x64) that says "all distributions"!! > (EDIT: Apparently binaries for "all distros" are 81 MB in size each.) > > https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads > > http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.2.16/VirtualBox-4.2.16-86992-Linux_x86.run > http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.2.16/VirtualBox-4.2.16-86992-Linux_amd64.run > >>> In worst case, revert to XCDROM but keep UDVD2 around. >> >> That's exactly what I did. UDVD2 seems really nice. It just can't be a >> default if it can trigger freezes > > I'm pretty sure this is fixed in newer versions. I mean, I don't use > VBox much, but even on my painfully slow (no VT-X) laptop, I don't > recall seeing any slowdown at bootup. > > BTW, I think there was also a DOS TSR that Eric Auer made for working > around this. I don't know why it wasn't more widely publicized. I > forget where I even got it, and I don't think I ever tested it. Worst > case scenario: I (or Eric or ...) could email you that for testing. > > EDIT: Here is probably where I found it: > > http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freedos/index.php?title=VirtualBox_-_Chapter_8#The_fix > -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS "FDNPKG install" CD
Hi, On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote: > > On 07/21/2013 07:59 PM, Bernd Blaauw wrote: > >> Ouch, thought this was solved, both with and without some custom fixing >> driver. Most recent VirtualBox (4.2.16?) used? Most recent UDVD2.SYS >> used? > > The UDVD2.SYS I used is the latest I could find (from the link you > provided). > > The VirtualBox I have is the one my distro packaged for me: 4.1.12. > Maybe this is something that got fixed in newer VBox.. dunno. I know it's a fairly big download (esp. on slow connection), but you could download latest directly from their site. They have a fairly big selection of Linux distro packages (Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, OpenSuSE, Mandriva), even one (well, x86 or x64) that says "all distributions"!! (EDIT: Apparently binaries for "all distros" are 81 MB in size each.) https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.2.16/VirtualBox-4.2.16-86992-Linux_x86.run http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.2.16/VirtualBox-4.2.16-86992-Linux_amd64.run >> In worst case, revert to XCDROM but keep UDVD2 around. > > That's exactly what I did. UDVD2 seems really nice. It just can't be a > default if it can trigger freezes I'm pretty sure this is fixed in newer versions. I mean, I don't use VBox much, but even on my painfully slow (no VT-X) laptop, I don't recall seeing any slowdown at bootup. BTW, I think there was also a DOS TSR that Eric Auer made for working around this. I don't know why it wasn't more widely publicized. I forget where I even got it, and I don't think I ever tested it. Worst case scenario: I (or Eric or ...) could email you that for testing. EDIT: Here is probably where I found it: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freedos/index.php?title=VirtualBox_-_Chapter_8#The_fix -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS "FDNPKG install" CD
Hello, On 07/21/2013 07:59 PM, Bernd Blaauw wrote: > All of these can have a CD drive attached to them. Remember Iomega's > zipdrives having lots of different drivers Okay, I understand now. The whole thing is not much about CDROM drives, but rather on any possible substitute that people can use. It's all clear now - thanks! > Ouch, thought this was solved, both with and without some custom fixing > driver. Most recent VirtualBox (4.2.16?) used? Most recent UDVD2.SYS > used? > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/cdrom/uide/drivers-2013-04-30.zip The UDVD2.SYS I used is the latest I could find (from the link you provided). The VirtualBox I have is the one my distro packaged for me: 4.1.12. Maybe this is something that got fixed in newer VBox.. dunno. > In worst case, revert to XCDROM but keep UDVD2 around. That's exactly what I did. UDVD2 seems really nice. It just can't be a default if it can trigger freezes cheers, Mateusz -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS "FDNPKG install" CD
Mateusz Viste schreef op 21-7-2013 18:45: > Just like Rugxulo, I'm a bit lost about all these IDE/SATA/PATA stuff, > until now I was naively assuming that a SATA CD drive is behaving like a > PATA one, and same drivers will work, and the only difference is at the > physical level... You're right. IDE can be configured as PIO or UDMA, SATA can be configured in AHCI or IDE (legacy) mode. That still doesn't take into account other interfaces/controllers: * SCSI * FireWire * USB * parallel port * serial port * soundcards * specific interface cards All of these can have a CD drive attached to them. Remember Iomega's zipdrives having lots of different drivers > By the way, how come that SATA HDD drives works fine without requiring > any additional drivers then? Ancient BIOS int13 compatibility causes your bootdrive to be listed as drive 0x80, and DOS kernel assigns driveletters to partitions on it, starting with C:. Same as some small capacity removable drives (ZIP, USBstick) could be listed as drive A: , and high capacity ones as drive C: > Anyway, I tried to replace the xcdrom.sys with udvd2.sys, as I > understand that the latter have some special magic for supporting SATA > CD drives, but unfortunately I got some troubles - when UDVD2 loads, it > freezes the boot for ~1 minute, which is really a pain. Ouch, thought this was solved, both with and without some custom fixing driver. Most recent VirtualBox (4.2.16?) used? Most recent UDVD2.SYS used? http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/cdrom/uide/drivers-2013-04-30.zip In worst case, revert to XCDROM but keep UDVD2 around. Also add SYSLINUX's ELTORITO.SYS driver on the disk if you want. That one is very specific though, and only grants access to the most recent ISO9660 filesystem that you booted from in non-emulation mode (as used by Isolinux and GRUB). Thus only grants access to 1 'cd-drive' no matter what interface you booted it from. (but even that can be broken, if replacing BIOS USB emulation stack by an own USB driver stack in DOS). Your CD is in floppy-emulation mode however, trying to explain how to add isolinux is a slight nightmare though, same for trying to explain how to make it bootable. > I am testing this inside a VirtualBox machine. I recall some months ago > (or was it years maybe?) some flames on the list about this problem, but > don't remember much constructive ideas, other than saying 'virtualbox is > buggy'. Incomplete emulation isn't much fun. Every emulator has its own quircks. > Is the situation still the same, ie. is there no way to make UDVD start > faster under VirtualBox? Is there any other driver nowaday that could > handle IDE/SATA drives and not freeze VBox for a minute? Keep what you have if that proves to be better. Ideal loading order would be: 1) ELTORITO.SYS 2) if fails, load XCDROM > Of course I don't say UDVD2 is bad (and I certainly don't want to start > any nuclear war about this), but the fact is that many people test stuff > under VBox these days, and if a bootable CD freezes 2s after starting > booting, they won't get any further. You're right. I've not tried to use RUFUS on your ISO to get its content onto USB flash drive. A step too far for now :) Bernd -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS "FDNPKG install" CD
A quick additional note: Out of pure curiosity, I configured the CD drive in my VirtualBox FreeDOS machine as being a SATA one (that is, attached to a SATA / AHCI controller). Unfortunately, both XCDROM.SYS and UDVD2.SYS failed to recognize it. So for the time being I will put back XCDROM in the FDNPKG bootable CD, which has the advantage to not freeze under VirtualBox... cheers, Mateusz On 07/21/2013 06:45 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote: > Hi there, > > Just like Rugxulo, I'm a bit lost about all these IDE/SATA/PATA stuff, > until now I was naively assuming that a SATA CD drive is behaving like a > PATA one, and same drivers will work, and the only difference is at the > physical level... > By the way, how come that SATA HDD drives works fine without requiring > any additional drivers then? > > Anyway, I tried to replace the xcdrom.sys with udvd2.sys, as I > understand that the latter have some special magic for supporting SATA > CD drives, but unfortunately I got some troubles - when UDVD2 loads, it > freezes the boot for ~1 minute, which is really a pain. > > I am testing this inside a VirtualBox machine. I recall some months ago > (or was it years maybe?) some flames on the list about this problem, but > don't remember much constructive ideas, other than saying 'virtualbox is > buggy'. > > Is the situation still the same, ie. is there no way to make UDVD start > faster under VirtualBox? Is there any other driver nowaday that could > handle IDE/SATA drives and not freeze VBox for a minute? > > Of course I don't say UDVD2 is bad (and I certainly don't want to start > any nuclear war about this), but the fact is that many people test stuff > under VBox these days, and if a bootable CD freezes 2s after starting > booting, they won't get any further. > > cheers, > Mateusz > > > > > > On 07/21/2013 02:27 AM, Rugxulo wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Bernd Blaauw wrote: >>> Mateusz Viste schreef op 20-7-2013 23:08: >>> Could you tell me please which software you see old? >>> >>> Mainly the bootdisk programs: >>> * kernel: 2036 instead of 2041 >> >> Well, 2036 wasn't exactly horribly buggy nor super old (FD 1.0 in >> 2006), but anyways >> >>> * xcdrom instead of udvd2 >> >> I profess complete ignorance of all the IDE / SATA / PATA confusion. I >> never understood it, but I'm no engineer. Can someone please explain >> which driver is best in which circumstance? By default, I assumed that >> UIDE doesn't support SATA or PATA, only IDE (maybe only via legacy >> mode). >> >> In particular, GCDROM and XGCDROM are forks of XCDROM (predecessor of UIDE): >> >> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/cdrom/gcdrom/ >> http://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/system/xcdrom/ >> >> I'm 99% sure that Jack Ellis would strongly recommend against those >> forks since they are based upon older, buggy code. But I'm not sure if >> they somehow work better in non-IDE instances. >> > * missing CWSDPMI.EXE apparently Yes, cwsdpmi is not on the boot floppy. Mostly because it's not needed - have you run into any kind of troubles because of the lack of cwsdpmi? >>> >>> Yes: "load error: no DPMI - Get csdpmi*b.zip" upon invoking FDNPKG.EXE >> >> Was this intentional or just to avoid swapping to floppy or ... ? Of >> course, you can bind CWSDSTUB.EXE to the .EXE (and/or use CWSPARAM to >> disable swapping entirely). It's still fairly small. >> What's happening exactly? I'm not really a VMware aficionado, never tested FreeDOS with this. Is it some kind of a 'known bug' specific to FDISK and VMware? What solution would you suggest? >>> >>> I get errorlevel 64: "Error Reading Hard Disk: Search operation failed. >>> Program terminated." >>> >>> fdisk 1.2.1 works. >> >> Meh. I'm not sure that's a good thing. Perhaps one of us needs to ping >> Brian R. again? >> >> Or you could (should?) also include / try XFDISK and/or SPFdisk ?? >> >>> Emulators make things difficult. Dosbox and Rpix86 have very strange >>> behaviour for driveletters, filesystems and memory behaviour. >> >> DOSBox has its own DOS and doesn't use FreeDOS. Unless you're thinking >> of "BOOT"? >> >> Rpix86 presumably means something like QEMU on Raspberry PI. (QEMU >> still has various bugs regarding segmentation, probably since it's not >> needed for Linux emulation.) >> Is it because of the XCDROM.SYS ? I'm no expert here, but aren't SATA CD drives acting as some kind of 'emulated IDE' ? Or does it mean that the boot image would need a special SATA driver, and some detection logic to load the right driver? This starts to sound complicated :P >>> >>> Yes, and a lack of DOS drivers for various controllers/interfaces is the >>> main culprit. The CD driver works for IDE and for SATA in legacy mode. >>> Now imagine having only an USB CD drive on a system. >>> (or something emulating it, like a Zalman hdd-caddy, or ISOSTICK) >> >> Didn't someone integrate
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS "FDNPKG install" CD
Hi there, Just like Rugxulo, I'm a bit lost about all these IDE/SATA/PATA stuff, until now I was naively assuming that a SATA CD drive is behaving like a PATA one, and same drivers will work, and the only difference is at the physical level... By the way, how come that SATA HDD drives works fine without requiring any additional drivers then? Anyway, I tried to replace the xcdrom.sys with udvd2.sys, as I understand that the latter have some special magic for supporting SATA CD drives, but unfortunately I got some troubles - when UDVD2 loads, it freezes the boot for ~1 minute, which is really a pain. I am testing this inside a VirtualBox machine. I recall some months ago (or was it years maybe?) some flames on the list about this problem, but don't remember much constructive ideas, other than saying 'virtualbox is buggy'. Is the situation still the same, ie. is there no way to make UDVD start faster under VirtualBox? Is there any other driver nowaday that could handle IDE/SATA drives and not freeze VBox for a minute? Of course I don't say UDVD2 is bad (and I certainly don't want to start any nuclear war about this), but the fact is that many people test stuff under VBox these days, and if a bootable CD freezes 2s after starting booting, they won't get any further. cheers, Mateusz On 07/21/2013 02:27 AM, Rugxulo wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Bernd Blaauw wrote: >> Mateusz Viste schreef op 20-7-2013 23:08: >> >>> Could you tell me please which software you see old? >> >> Mainly the bootdisk programs: >> * kernel: 2036 instead of 2041 > > Well, 2036 wasn't exactly horribly buggy nor super old (FD 1.0 in > 2006), but anyways > >> * xcdrom instead of udvd2 > > I profess complete ignorance of all the IDE / SATA / PATA confusion. I > never understood it, but I'm no engineer. Can someone please explain > which driver is best in which circumstance? By default, I assumed that > UIDE doesn't support SATA or PATA, only IDE (maybe only via legacy > mode). > > In particular, GCDROM and XGCDROM are forks of XCDROM (predecessor of UIDE): > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/cdrom/gcdrom/ > http://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/system/xcdrom/ > > I'm 99% sure that Jack Ellis would strongly recommend against those > forks since they are based upon older, buggy code. But I'm not sure if > they somehow work better in non-IDE instances. > * missing CWSDPMI.EXE apparently >>> >>> Yes, cwsdpmi is not on the boot floppy. Mostly because it's not needed - >>> have you run into any kind of troubles because of the lack of cwsdpmi? >> >> Yes: "load error: no DPMI - Get csdpmi*b.zip" upon invoking FDNPKG.EXE > > Was this intentional or just to avoid swapping to floppy or ... ? Of > course, you can bind CWSDSTUB.EXE to the .EXE (and/or use CWSPARAM to > disable swapping entirely). It's still fairly small. > >>> What's happening exactly? I'm not really a VMware aficionado, never >>> tested FreeDOS with this. Is it some kind of a 'known bug' specific to >>> FDISK and VMware? What solution would you suggest? >> >> I get errorlevel 64: "Error Reading Hard Disk: Search operation failed. >> Program terminated." >> >> fdisk 1.2.1 works. > > Meh. I'm not sure that's a good thing. Perhaps one of us needs to ping > Brian R. again? > > Or you could (should?) also include / try XFDISK and/or SPFdisk ?? > >> Emulators make things difficult. Dosbox and Rpix86 have very strange >> behaviour for driveletters, filesystems and memory behaviour. > > DOSBox has its own DOS and doesn't use FreeDOS. Unless you're thinking > of "BOOT"? > > Rpix86 presumably means something like QEMU on Raspberry PI. (QEMU > still has various bugs regarding segmentation, probably since it's not > needed for Linux emulation.) > >>> Is it because of the XCDROM.SYS ? I'm no expert here, but aren't SATA CD >>> drives acting as some kind of 'emulated IDE' ? Or does it mean that the >>> boot image would need a special SATA driver, and some detection logic to >>> load the right driver? This starts to sound complicated :P >> >> Yes, and a lack of DOS drivers for various controllers/interfaces is the >> main culprit. The CD driver works for IDE and for SATA in legacy mode. >> Now imagine having only an USB CD drive on a system. >> (or something emulating it, like a Zalman hdd-caddy, or ISOSTICK) > > Didn't someone integrate eltorito.sys into isolinux a few years ago? > Doesn't that help somewhat? > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/boot/syslinux/ > >> I'm not sure anymore nowadays the goal is installing FreeDOS on a >> dedicated system, but rather to have it available and to use it, when >> necessary. What I mean to say is, people will boot from your CD, then >> find out their harddisk is partitioned 100% already for Windows. Thus, >> no easy way to get a drive C: available. > > Unavoidable without some (limited) NTFS driver. Maybe GRUB4DOS can > boot a
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS "FDNPKG install" CD
On 07/21/2013 12:06 AM, Bernd Blaauw wrote: > Mainly the bootdisk programs: > * kernel: 2036 instead of 2041 Updated to 2041. > * xcdrom instead of udvd2 But is udvd2 really better than xcdrom ? What is 'user-perceived' difference between these two? > * sys 3.6 instead of 3.7 or 3.8-test I think I got the sys that was packaged with the kernel 2041 - but I will double check this. > Yes: "load error: no DPMI - Get csdpmi*b.zip" upon invoking FDNPKG.EXE Indeed, again testing on DOSemu doesn't showed me this, since DOSemu provides its own DPMI service :) And it worked under VirtualBox because I had an old HDD image attached on which CWSDPMI happened to be present. I added CWSDPMI (r7) to the floppy. For future FDNPKG releases, I will probably embed CWSDMI into the FDNPKG binary. > I get errorlevel 64: "Error Reading Hard Disk: Search operation failed. > Program terminated." > > fdisk 1.2.1 works. As Rugxulo said, I don't know if downgrading is the best solution :/ But if it works fine, then it looks like the easiest solution anyway. > Yes, and a lack of DOS drivers for various controllers/interfaces is the > main culprit. The CD driver works for IDE and for SATA in legacy mode. > Now imagine having only an USB CD drive on a system. > (or something emulating it, like a Zalman hdd-caddy, or ISOSTICK) Okay, and would changing XCDROM by UDVD2 change anything with these problems? > I mean I basically get lost of how to get a list of available programs I > can install. A bit of browsing, more or less. > SEARCH already implies you as a user know what you want. In fact, 'SEARCH' find all packages that are available for install, and matches your search pattern. If you don't provide a search pattern, then all available packages are printed. I was wondering about creating a separate action for this, like LISTPKG or something, but though it would be unnecessary... Now I see that it's not as obvious as I though it was. If you have troubles it, then I'm sure many people will. > I'm not sure anymore nowadays the goal is installing FreeDOS on a > dedicated system, but rather to have it available and to use it, when > necessary. What I mean to say is, people will boot from your CD, then > find out their harddisk is partitioned 100% already for Windows. Thus, > no easy way to get a drive C: available. > Just put SHSURDRV.EXE on the bootdisk image, and you'll get there. I see your point. Better to ship a binary that in worst case nobody will use, than to limit the feature set of the boot image. Shsudrv is really small anyway. I will add - but need to package it first and make sure I got the latest version. > Speaking of bootdisk..if people boot from their own boot medium > (harddisk or some specific floppy) including CD access, they can't run > FDNPKG as it's not in the data part of the CD ( X: ) but only in the > bootdisk part (FDBOOT.IMG). A minor inconvenience for example on systems > that can't boot from CD. Sounds like a good idea as well. Not as easy as just putting FDNPKG.EXE into the CD, since it needs to have a configuration file in a specific place, but that's easy to solve - I will look into that. I updated the floppy image and CD (for now only added CWSDPMI and updated kernel): http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/repos/ cheers, Mateusz -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS "FDNPKG install" CD
I thought uide was a dma version of IDE pio mode? It works on the atapi io ports.. -Chris Http://tawhakisoft.com/ On Saturday, July 20, 2013, Rugxulo wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Bernd Blaauw > > wrote: > > Mateusz Viste schreef op 20-7-2013 23:08: > > > >> Could you tell me please which software you see old? > > > > Mainly the bootdisk programs: > > * kernel: 2036 instead of 2041 > > Well, 2036 wasn't exactly horribly buggy nor super old (FD 1.0 in > 2006), but anyways > > > * xcdrom instead of udvd2 > > I profess complete ignorance of all the IDE / SATA / PATA confusion. I > never understood it, but I'm no engineer. Can someone please explain > which driver is best in which circumstance? By default, I assumed that > UIDE doesn't support SATA or PATA, only IDE (maybe only via legacy > mode). > > In particular, GCDROM and XGCDROM are forks of XCDROM (predecessor of > UIDE): > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/cdrom/gcdrom/ > http://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/system/xcdrom/ > > I'm 99% sure that Jack Ellis would strongly recommend against those > forks since they are based upon older, buggy code. But I'm not sure if > they somehow work better in non-IDE instances. > > >>> * missing CWSDPMI.EXE apparently > >> > >> Yes, cwsdpmi is not on the boot floppy. Mostly because it's not needed - > >> have you run into any kind of troubles because of the lack of cwsdpmi? > > > > Yes: "load error: no DPMI - Get csdpmi*b.zip" upon invoking FDNPKG.EXE > > Was this intentional or just to avoid swapping to floppy or ... ? Of > course, you can bind CWSDSTUB.EXE to the .EXE (and/or use CWSPARAM to > disable swapping entirely). It's still fairly small. > > >> What's happening exactly? I'm not really a VMware aficionado, never > >> tested FreeDOS with this. Is it some kind of a 'known bug' specific to > >> FDISK and VMware? What solution would you suggest? > > > > I get errorlevel 64: "Error Reading Hard Disk: Search operation failed. > > Program terminated." > > > > fdisk 1.2.1 works. > > Meh. I'm not sure that's a good thing. Perhaps one of us needs to ping > Brian R. again? > > Or you could (should?) also include / try XFDISK and/or SPFdisk ?? > > > Emulators make things difficult. Dosbox and Rpix86 have very strange > > behaviour for driveletters, filesystems and memory behaviour. > > DOSBox has its own DOS and doesn't use FreeDOS. Unless you're thinking > of "BOOT"? > > Rpix86 presumably means something like QEMU on Raspberry PI. (QEMU > still has various bugs regarding segmentation, probably since it's not > needed for Linux emulation.) > > >> Is it because of the XCDROM.SYS ? I'm no expert here, but aren't SATA CD > >> drives acting as some kind of 'emulated IDE' ? Or does it mean that the > >> boot image would need a special SATA driver, and some detection logic to > >> load the right driver? This starts to sound complicated :P > > > > Yes, and a lack of DOS drivers for various controllers/interfaces is the > > main culprit. The CD driver works for IDE and for SATA in legacy mode. > > Now imagine having only an USB CD drive on a system. > > (or something emulating it, like a Zalman hdd-caddy, or ISOSTICK) > > Didn't someone integrate eltorito.sys into isolinux a few years ago? > Doesn't that help somewhat? > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/boot/syslinux/ > > > I'm not sure anymore nowadays the goal is installing FreeDOS on a > > dedicated system, but rather to have it available and to use it, when > > necessary. What I mean to say is, people will boot from your CD, then > > find out their harddisk is partitioned 100% already for Windows. Thus, > > no easy way to get a drive C: available. > > Unavoidable without some (limited) NTFS driver. Maybe GRUB4DOS can > boot a DOS image file created as one contiguous block file? But how to > create that ... dunno, someone may have to write it (not me!). > > But anyways, Windows since Vista lets you optionally resize the NTFS > partition, so it's no big deal. (Also RUFUS can install FreeDOS to > bootable USB stick.) > > > -- > See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics > Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics > Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. > Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS "FDNPKG install" CD
Hi, On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Bernd Blaauw wrote: > Mateusz Viste schreef op 20-7-2013 23:08: > >> Could you tell me please which software you see old? > > Mainly the bootdisk programs: > * kernel: 2036 instead of 2041 Well, 2036 wasn't exactly horribly buggy nor super old (FD 1.0 in 2006), but anyways > * xcdrom instead of udvd2 I profess complete ignorance of all the IDE / SATA / PATA confusion. I never understood it, but I'm no engineer. Can someone please explain which driver is best in which circumstance? By default, I assumed that UIDE doesn't support SATA or PATA, only IDE (maybe only via legacy mode). In particular, GCDROM and XGCDROM are forks of XCDROM (predecessor of UIDE): http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/cdrom/gcdrom/ http://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/system/xcdrom/ I'm 99% sure that Jack Ellis would strongly recommend against those forks since they are based upon older, buggy code. But I'm not sure if they somehow work better in non-IDE instances. >>> * missing CWSDPMI.EXE apparently >> >> Yes, cwsdpmi is not on the boot floppy. Mostly because it's not needed - >> have you run into any kind of troubles because of the lack of cwsdpmi? > > Yes: "load error: no DPMI - Get csdpmi*b.zip" upon invoking FDNPKG.EXE Was this intentional or just to avoid swapping to floppy or ... ? Of course, you can bind CWSDSTUB.EXE to the .EXE (and/or use CWSPARAM to disable swapping entirely). It's still fairly small. >> What's happening exactly? I'm not really a VMware aficionado, never >> tested FreeDOS with this. Is it some kind of a 'known bug' specific to >> FDISK and VMware? What solution would you suggest? > > I get errorlevel 64: "Error Reading Hard Disk: Search operation failed. > Program terminated." > > fdisk 1.2.1 works. Meh. I'm not sure that's a good thing. Perhaps one of us needs to ping Brian R. again? Or you could (should?) also include / try XFDISK and/or SPFdisk ?? > Emulators make things difficult. Dosbox and Rpix86 have very strange > behaviour for driveletters, filesystems and memory behaviour. DOSBox has its own DOS and doesn't use FreeDOS. Unless you're thinking of "BOOT"? Rpix86 presumably means something like QEMU on Raspberry PI. (QEMU still has various bugs regarding segmentation, probably since it's not needed for Linux emulation.) >> Is it because of the XCDROM.SYS ? I'm no expert here, but aren't SATA CD >> drives acting as some kind of 'emulated IDE' ? Or does it mean that the >> boot image would need a special SATA driver, and some detection logic to >> load the right driver? This starts to sound complicated :P > > Yes, and a lack of DOS drivers for various controllers/interfaces is the > main culprit. The CD driver works for IDE and for SATA in legacy mode. > Now imagine having only an USB CD drive on a system. > (or something emulating it, like a Zalman hdd-caddy, or ISOSTICK) Didn't someone integrate eltorito.sys into isolinux a few years ago? Doesn't that help somewhat? http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/boot/syslinux/ > I'm not sure anymore nowadays the goal is installing FreeDOS on a > dedicated system, but rather to have it available and to use it, when > necessary. What I mean to say is, people will boot from your CD, then > find out their harddisk is partitioned 100% already for Windows. Thus, > no easy way to get a drive C: available. Unavoidable without some (limited) NTFS driver. Maybe GRUB4DOS can boot a DOS image file created as one contiguous block file? But how to create that ... dunno, someone may have to write it (not me!). But anyways, Windows since Vista lets you optionally resize the NTFS partition, so it's no big deal. (Also RUFUS can install FreeDOS to bootable USB stick.) -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS "FDNPKG install" CD
Mateusz Viste schreef op 20-7-2013 23:08: > Could you tell me please which software you see old? Mainly the bootdisk programs: * kernel: 2036 instead of 2041 * xcdrom instead of udvd2 * sys 3.6 instead of 3.7 or 3.8-test >> * missing CWSDPMI.EXE apparently > > Yes, cwsdpmi is not on the boot floppy. Mostly because it's not needed - > have you run into any kind of troubles because of the lack of cwsdpmi? Yes: "load error: no DPMI - Get csdpmi*b.zip" upon invoking FDNPKG.EXE > Anyway, I fixed it, and updated the binary on the boot image. The bugfix > will be part of the next FDNPKG release (which should happen soon by the > way). Thanks for fixing. > What's happening exactly? I'm not really a VMware aficionado, never > tested FreeDOS with this. Is it some kind of a 'known bug' specific to > FDISK and VMware? What solution would you suggest? I get errorlevel 64: "Error Reading Hard Disk: Search operation failed. Program terminated." fdisk 1.2.1 works. Emulators make things difficult. Dosbox and Rpix86 have very strange behaviour for driveletters, filesystems and memory behaviour. > Is it because of the XCDROM.SYS ? I'm no expert here, but aren't SATA CD > drives acting as some kind of 'emulated IDE' ? Or does it mean that the > boot image would need a special SATA driver, and some detection logic to > load the right driver? This starts to sound complicated :P Yes, and a lack of DOS drivers for various controllers/interfaces is the main culprit. The CD driver works for IDE and for SATA in legacy mode. Now imagine having only an USB CD drive on a system. (or something emulating it, like a Zalman hdd-caddy, or ISOSTICK) But do keep things simple, better a mostly-working environment that's released, instead of something over-engineered but never-released (like I have). > I think you got lost because of the memory bug. Now that it's fixed, > FDNPKG usage should be quite intuitive. I mean I basically get lost of how to get a list of available programs I can install. A bit of browsing, more or less. SEARCH already implies you as a user know what you want. > I'm not sure I understand what you are saying.. Yes, a harddisk is > required indeed... since the goal is to install FreeDOS on a hdd. I'm not sure anymore nowadays the goal is installing FreeDOS on a dedicated system, but rather to have it available and to use it, when necessary. What I mean to say is, people will boot from your CD, then find out their harddisk is partitioned 100% already for Windows. Thus, no easy way to get a drive C: available. > Are you suggesting emulating a C: drive with a RAMdisk, and installing > FreeDOS there? What would be the real life use case? Are you thinking > about some kind of full-blown automated FreeDOS RAM-powered livecd, like > what Knoppix does with the 'toram' boot option? Just put SHSURDRV.EXE on the bootdisk image, and you'll get there. Speaking of bootdisk..if people boot from their own boot medium (harddisk or some specific floppy) including CD access, they can't run FDNPKG as it's not in the data part of the CD ( X: ) but only in the bootdisk part (FDBOOT.IMG). A minor inconvenience for example on systems that can't boot from CD. > That's a very good point - I will synch since now on the floppy image on > iBiblio separately, too. It's named 'boot.img', and it's in the same > location as the CD image: Thanks! I'll get the FDNPKG from there. > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/repos/ -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS "FDNPKG install" CD
Hi Bernd, nice to see you're still around! On 07/20/2013 06:57 PM, Bernd Blaauw wrote: > * old versions of software (or is this to demo the updater? ). Nope, not a 'demo' purpose at all. It's all supposed to be pretty up to date :/ Could you tell me please which software you see old? > * missing CWSDPMI.EXE apparently Yes, cwsdpmi is not on the boot floppy. Mostly because it's not needed - have you run into any kind of troubles because of the lack of cwsdpmi? > * FDNPKG exits on SIGSERV on many commands You are right indeed, shame on me! There was a nasty bug related to memory management in FDNPKG (precisely at the very end, when FDNPKG was trying to be nice and free all his memory). Curiously this bug never triggered any crash under DOSemu - I had to run a VirtualBox machine to reproduce the problem. Anyway, I fixed it, and updated the binary on the boot image. The bugfix will be part of the next FDNPKG release (which should happen soon by the way). > * FDISK 1.3.1 doesn't like VMware Workstation 9. What's happening exactly? I'm not really a VMware aficionado, never tested FreeDOS with this. Is it some kind of a 'known bug' specific to FDISK and VMware? What solution would you suggest? > * bootCD only compatible with optical drives on IDE controller. Is it because of the XCDROM.SYS ? I'm no expert here, but aren't SATA CD drives acting as some kind of 'emulated IDE' ? Or does it mean that the boot image would need a special SATA driver, and some detection logic to load the right driver? This starts to sound complicated :P > * any (working) usage examples for FDNPKG available? I think you got lost because of the memory bug. Now that it's fixed, FDNPKG usage should be quite intuitive. Basic operations are: Search for package FDNPKG SEARCH [searchstring] Install a package FDNPKG INSTALL pkgname A help is also available if you run FDNPKG without any parameters. Let me know if anything is not clear - I will try to improve the help then. > * harddisk (with FAT partition) required. SHSURDRV works on systems with > enough RAM, as your config loads XMS/EMS/UMB/HMA anyway already. I'm not sure I understand what you are saying.. Yes, a harddisk is required indeed... since the goal is to install FreeDOS on a hdd. Are you suggesting emulating a C: drive with a RAMdisk, and installing FreeDOS there? What would be the real life use case? Are you thinking about some kind of full-blown automated FreeDOS RAM-powered livecd, like what Knoppix does with the 'toram' boot option? > Could you also please make available the 1.44MB bootdisk image used in > the CD? Some people like to butcher (ehm..optimize) this, without > downloading the entire ISO. That's a very good point - I will synch since now on the floppy image on iBiblio separately, too. It's named 'boot.img', and it's in the same location as the CD image: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/repos/ cheers, Mateusz -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS "FDNPKG install" CD
Mateusz Viste schreef op 19-7-2013 20:54: > This makes it possible to use this CD on a clean PC to install the > latest version of FreeDOS. There is no installer - you need to use > FDISK, FORMAT and SYS by yourself. Then use FDNPKG to install whatever > packages you need. Thanks for making this available Mateusz! I'm running into a few issues here: * old versions of software (or is this to demo the updater? ). * missing CWSDPMI.EXE apparently * FDNPKG exits on SIGSERV on many commands * FDISK 1.3.1 doesn't like VMware Workstation 9. * bootCD only compatible with optical drives on IDE controller. * old CD drivers used, maybe UDVD2 * any (working) usage examples for FDNPKG available? * harddisk (with FAT partition) required. SHSURDRV works on systems with enough RAM, as your config loads XMS/EMS/UMB/HMA anyway already. > I haven't tested it thoroughly (just verified that I am able to boot and > install at least one package), so please not hesitate to report any > problems (solutions to these problems are welcome, too). ;) Could you also please make available the 1.44MB bootdisk image used in the CD? Some people like to butcher (ehm..optimize) this, without downloading the entire ISO. Bernd -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] FreeDOS "FDNPKG install" CD
Hi all, Some times ago I announced that I will always keep an up-to-date CD version of all FDNPKG repositories, so everyone could download the CD and use it as an offline set of repositories to install/update packages. Yesterday I created a small FreeDOS boot image and added it to the CD. So now, the FDNPKG repositories CD is a bootable CD that boots into a minimalistic FreeDOS system with a few tools (FDISK, FORMAT, EDIT, SYS...) and FDNPKG. This makes it possible to use this CD on a clean PC to install the latest version of FreeDOS. There is no installer - you need to use FDISK, FORMAT and SYS by yourself. Then use FDNPKG to install whatever packages you need. After booting, a short instruction is displayed about how to install FreeDOS. This is not an ideal solution, but I believe it might come handy. The CD is available here (all_cd.iso): http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/repos/ I haven't tested it thoroughly (just verified that I am able to boot and install at least one package), so please not hesitate to report any problems (solutions to these problems are welcome, too). ;) cheers, Mateusz -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
