Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Alain Mouette]

I disagree, based on experience...

8086 is *not* a good architecture, neither fast nor economic or easy to 
use. It is only relevant for legacy uses.

FreeDOS is above all ***DOS*** and it has to be used as such. No other 
achitecture.

If you want modern architecture, look for ARM/Cortex. It you want a 
flexible OS, look for Linux; it has been *designed* for that.

And just a remainder: Dosemu runs only on intel i386.

If you want to simulate one CPU running on another, QEMU is the way to go.

Alain

Geraldo Netto escreveu:
> Hi!
> 
>> but my main concern is about 8086 guys who uses freedos, they wont be
>> able to run such linux distro either for installation or any other form and i
>> guess, they are reading this msg, right? :P
>>
>> Correct.
>>
>> 8086/80186 is alive and kicking (at least in the embedded world :-)
>>
>> Hans
>> www.ht-lab.com
> 
> Btw, really nice vhdl stuff Hans :)
> 
> well, there is a compromise between 8086 and other arch
> i mean, we have to keep 8086 compatibility but going with
> linux we would be able to run freedos on non-x86 arch, which
> is nice too... i can't confirm this, but supposing dosemu runs
> as user mode software on top of linux, we should have no problem
> running on other arch(?)
> 
> Geraldo

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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Liam Proven]

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Geraldo Netto  wrote:

> i can't confirm this, but supposing dosemu runs
> as user mode software on top of linux, we should have no problem
> running on other arch(?)

No. DOSemu is a sort of dedicated virtual machine for running DOS
under Linux. It runs DOS natively on x86-32, just trapping the
hardware interrupts & so on with which DOS communicates with the
hardware so that it can run safely & cleanly under the multitasking
Linux kernel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dosemu

To run DOS on non-x86 architectures, you would need something that
emulates an 8086 CPU, at least, and preferably an 80386 or better.
Examples include BOCHS or QEMU, although QEMU would be more
complicated as it emulates many different computers as well as
PC-compatibles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bochs


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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Geraldo Netto]

Hi!

> but my main concern is about 8086 guys who uses freedos, they wont be
> able to run such linux distro either for installation or any other form and i
> guess, they are reading this msg, right? :P
>
> Correct.
>
> 8086/80186 is alive and kicking (at least in the embedded world :-)
>
> Hans
> www.ht-lab.com

Btw, really nice vhdl stuff Hans :)

well, there is a compromise between 8086 and other arch
i mean, we have to keep 8086 compatibility but going with
linux we would be able to run freedos on non-x86 arch, which
is nice too... i can't confirm this, but supposing dosemu runs
as user mode software on top of linux, we should have no problem
running on other arch(?)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Geraldo Netto]

Hi,

I agree with Alain that 8086 is far from good been a huge fan of arm/mips/...
for embedded stuff

> If you want modern architecture, look for ARM/Cortex. It you want a
> flexible OS, look for Linux; it has been *designed* for that.
>
> And just a remainder: Dosemu runs only on intel i386.
> If you want to simulate one CPU running on another, QEMU is the way to go.

didn't know that, in any case, qemu is nice/fine too

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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Hans]

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Hi Again!

>> btw, why not make freedos installation using linux?
>
> There was once a very interestick pack: Linux kernel + dosemu + FreeDOS,
> bash was on a secondary console.
>
> It would be easy to make that now, using LFS + busybox and an automatic
> HW detection (there is a packege for that) :)
>
> and I am sure that it would help a lot of people that still want to use
> DOS programs.

Actually to create a install distro we don't even need dosemu, zip/unzip
is already there, we would only need to handle fdupdate/fdpkg but i guess
it would easier to port it to any sh :)

of course your approach doing freedos on top of dosemu on top of linux
would be really nice too :)

but my main concern is about 8086 guys who uses freedos, they wont be
able to run such linux distro either for installation or any other form and i
guess, they are reading this msg, right? :P

Correct.

8086/80186 is alive and kicking (at least in the embedded world :-)

Hans
www.ht-lab.com




8086 support/compatibility is a premise...

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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Alain Mouette]

Geraldo Netto escreveu:
>>> btw, why not make freedos installation using linux?
>> There was once a very interestick pack: Linux kernel + dosemu + FreeDOS,
>> bash was on a secondary console.
>>
>> It would be easy to make that now, using LFS + busybox and an automatic
>> HW detection (there is a packege for that) :)
>>
>> and I am sure that it would help a lot of people that still want to use
>> DOS programs.

> of course your approach doing freedos on top of dosemu on top of linux
> would be really nice too :)

any volunteers, this is more a LFS (linux From Scratch) problem...

> but my main concern is about 8086 guys who uses freedos, they wont be
> able to run such linux distro either for installation or any other form and i
> guess, they are reading this msg, right? :P
> 8086 support/compatibility is a premise...

Completely not understadable :( I can only say that compatibility will 
be to the estent of DOSEMU, not more that that...

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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Geraldo Netto]

Hi Again!

>> btw, why not make freedos installation using linux?
>
> There was once a very interestick pack: Linux kernel + dosemu + FreeDOS,
> bash was on a secondary console.
>
> It would be easy to make that now, using LFS + busybox and an automatic
> HW detection (there is a packege for that) :)
>
> and I am sure that it would help a lot of people that still want to use
> DOS programs.

Actually to create a install distro we don't even need dosemu, zip/unzip
is already there, we would only need to handle fdupdate/fdpkg but i guess
it would easier to port it to any sh :)

of course your approach doing freedos on top of dosemu on top of linux
would be really nice too :)

but my main concern is about 8086 guys who uses freedos, they wont be
able to run such linux distro either for installation or any other form and i
guess, they are reading this msg, right? :P
8086 support/compatibility is a premise...

See Ya


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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Alain Mouette]

Geraldo Netto escreveu:
> btw, why not make freedos installation using linux?

There was once a very interestick pack: Linux kernel + dosemu + FreeDOS, 
bash was on a secondary console.

It would be easy to make that now, using LFS + busybox and an automatic 
HW detection (there is a packege for that) :)

and I am sure that it would help a lot of people that still want to use 
DOS programs.

Alain

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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Alain Mouette]

That is an *old* distribution. PMagic has many improvements. Not a 
matter of taste.

GWIK it has almost everything in one CD (that I thought of), just the 
same idea, just added evolution...

Alain

Geraldo Netto escreveu:
> Hi All/Alain!
> 
> Eheheh :)
> it's pretty much a question of taste
> but i go with SystemRescueCd - http://www.sysresccd.org/ :)
> suddenly gnu parted(the backend lib used in gparted and many
> other 'partion magic' like software) doesn't fit in a bootdisk any more :(
> this would be a really interesting thing imho...
> 
> btw, why not make freedos installation using linux?
> it would be easier to develop and would be intrinsically extensible
> i know it sounds insane, but i think it can be a really interesting 
> combination
> of course, there are some issues like, how to fit it on floppies and etc
> 
> suggestions/flamewars/doubts/disillusionment with love are always
> welcomed, ahahah :)
> 

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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Geraldo Netto]

Hi All/Alain!

Eheheh :)
it's pretty much a question of taste
but i go with SystemRescueCd - http://www.sysresccd.org/ :)
suddenly gnu parted(the backend lib used in gparted and many
other 'partion magic' like software) doesn't fit in a bootdisk any more :(
this would be a really interesting thing imho...

btw, why not make freedos installation using linux?
it would be easier to develop and would be intrinsically extensible
i know it sounds insane, but i think it can be a really interesting combination
of course, there are some issues like, how to fit it on floppies and etc

suggestions/flamewars/doubts/disillusionment with love are always
welcomed, ahahah :)

See Ya!

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On 8 March 2010 11:50, Alain Mouette  wrote:
> I have been using "PMagic" (Parted Magic) http://partedmagic.com/
>
> It is just a very clever Linux bott disk with Gparted and a few other
> disk utilities.
>
> Alain
>
> Liam Proven escreveu:
>> 2010/3/6 Aitor Santamaría :
>>
>>> Apparently, the Norton guys were not going to continue with PQMagic
>>> any longer, but this is great news!!
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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Alain Mouette]

I have been using "PMagic" (Parted Magic) http://partedmagic.com/

It is just a very clever Linux bott disk with Gparted and a few other 
disk utilities.

Alain

Liam Proven escreveu:
> 2010/3/6 Aitor Santamaría :
> 
>> Apparently, the Norton guys were not going to continue with PQMagic
>> any longer, but this is great news!!

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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Liam Proven]

2010/3/6 Aitor Santamaría :

> Apparently, the Norton guys were not going to continue with PQMagic
> any longer, but this is great news!!

That was decided many years ago, I think, and it was a great shame. I
used to like Symantec & its products but it has become one of those
big companies that just buys smaller rivals to shut them down. If it
at least released the "dead" products as FOSS, I wouldn't mind.
(QEMM8, DESQview & DESQview/X in particular), but no, it just kills
them.

> I am particularly interested in moving/resizing. I don't know how
> Windows manages partition internally, but it concerns me that, when
> you are moving a partition, there could be other records within
> Windows that would have to be updated (other than the partition table
> itself). Have you ever tried moving partitions having Windows Vista or
> Seven, and later booting, to see if they continue to boot/work after
> this?

I have, using GParted on Linux. No problems. If anything the newer
versions seem to be considerably more robust than poor old XP. This
may be because Vista /et seq/ *insist* on booting off NTFS - they will
not install to FAT32. (They won't fit into a FAT16 volume!)

I do miss the fairly simple & clear BOOT.INI file, tho'. The new
bootloader is more resilient - e.g. it will survive an /older/ version
of Windows being installed /after/ a newer one, which killed XP/W2K/NT
every time. However, the new boot file structure, BCD, is a closed
binary format which must be edited with special tools, such as
EasyBCD:

http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1

This is a complete pain.

Also, Vista & Win7 automatically rename their boot partition as C:
when they boot, regardless of where it is in the partition sequence,
which screws up drive-letter allocation schemes.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Alain Mouette]

I vaguely remember seeing a so called Vista, from a distance! Never got 
close to those things...

Ask about Linux, it's easier, and the answers are stable :)

Alain

Aitor Santamaría escreveu:
> Many many thanks, Alain!!
> Apparently, the Norton guys were not going to continue with PQMagic
> any longer, but this is great news!!
> 
> I am particularly interested in moving/resizing. I don't know how
> Windows manages partition internally, but it concerns me that, when
> you are moving a partition, there could be other records within
> Windows that would have to be updated (other than the partition table
> itself). Have you ever tried moving partitions having Windows Vista or
> Seven, and later booting, to see if they continue to boot/work after
> this?
> 
> Aitor
> 
> 
> 2010/1/13 Alain Mouette :
>> Robert Riebisch escreveu:
>>> Alain Mouette wrote:
 OTOH, Parted Magic is beter for that job because it can move/resize
 partitions, which may be needed.
>>> OK. (There are zillions of such tools.)
>> This one is the best... I have tested many. This is a bootable CD with
>> Linux and a graphical interface. It has GPARTED, clonezila and many
>> usefull disk tools.
>>
 PS: for what I know vfat in Linux is just the name of FAT32 ;)
>>> Then Linux is not correct, because VFAT is just an extension to FAT12 /
>>> FAT16 / FAT32 to allow long filenames:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#Long_file_names
>> Ok, but most people should be aware that in the Linux literature (most
>> google tutorials) the tem vfat is used liberaly.
>>
>> Alain
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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Aitor Santamaría]

Many many thanks, Alain!!
Apparently, the Norton guys were not going to continue with PQMagic
any longer, but this is great news!!

I am particularly interested in moving/resizing. I don't know how
Windows manages partition internally, but it concerns me that, when
you are moving a partition, there could be other records within
Windows that would have to be updated (other than the partition table
itself). Have you ever tried moving partitions having Windows Vista or
Seven, and later booting, to see if they continue to boot/work after
this?

Aitor


2010/1/13 Alain Mouette :
>
> Robert Riebisch escreveu:
>> Alain Mouette wrote:
>>> OTOH, Parted Magic is beter for that job because it can move/resize
>>> partitions, which may be needed.
>> OK. (There are zillions of such tools.)
>
> This one is the best... I have tested many. This is a bootable CD with
> Linux and a graphical interface. It has GPARTED, clonezila and many
> usefull disk tools.
>
>>> PS: for what I know vfat in Linux is just the name of FAT32 ;)
>> Then Linux is not correct, because VFAT is just an extension to FAT12 /
>> FAT16 / FAT32 to allow long filenames:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#Long_file_names
>
> Ok, but most people should be aware that in the Linux literature (most
> google tutorials) the tem vfat is used liberaly.
>
> Alain
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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

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On 2010/01/13 15:36 (GMT+0100) Christian Masloch composed:

 PS: for what I know vfat in Linux is just the name of FAT32 ;)

>>> Then Linux is not correct, because VFAT is just an extension to FAT12 /
>>> FAT16 / FAT32 to allow long filenames:

>> Ok, but most people should be aware that in the Linux literature (most
>> google tutorials) the tem vfat is used liberaly.

> I've only ever heard it used to mean *all* file systems using the VFAT  
> extension, i.e. FAT12, FAT16 and FAT32 file systems with long names. They  
> probably call this the VFAT file system to distinguish it from their  
> original FAT file system implementation which didn't support long names  
> and the new file times.

In Linux, FAT12, FAT16 & FAT16B can be mounted MSDOS instead of VFAT to
restrict active usage to 8.3 filenames. MSDOS is how I always mount these
partitions on Linux systems with no Windows co-installed.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Christian Masloch]

>>> PS: for what I know vfat in Linux is just the name of FAT32 ;)
>> Then Linux is not correct, because VFAT is just an extension to FAT12 /
>> FAT16 / FAT32 to allow long filenames:
>
> Ok, but most people should be aware that in the Linux literature (most
> google tutorials) the tem vfat is used liberaly.

I've only ever heard it used to mean *all* file systems using the VFAT  
extension, i.e. FAT12, FAT16 and FAT32 file systems with long names. They  
probably call this the VFAT file system to distinguish it from their  
original FAT file system implementation which didn't support long names  
and the new file times.

(BTW, the V stands for "Virtual" which at most fits into Microsoft's  
strange behaviour of calling everything related to Win386 virtual, and  
doesn't relate to what a VFAT file system is in any way. They probably  
only named their VxD VFAT, and with this implementation being the first  
one to support the new features, someone just called these features VFAT.)

Regards,
Christian

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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Alain Mouette]

Robert Riebisch escreveu:
> Alain Mouette wrote:
>> OTOH, Parted Magic is beter for that job because it can move/resize 
>> partitions, which may be needed.
> OK. (There are zillions of such tools.)

This one is the best... I have tested many. This is a bootable CD with 
Linux and a graphical interface. It has GPARTED, clonezila and many 
usefull disk tools.

>> PS: for what I know vfat in Linux is just the name of FAT32 ;)
> Then Linux is not correct, because VFAT is just an extension to FAT12 /
> FAT16 / FAT32 to allow long filenames:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#Long_file_names

Ok, but most people should be aware that in the Linux literature (most 
google tutorials) the tem vfat is used liberaly.

Alain

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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Robert Riebisch]

Alain Mouette wrote:

> OTOH, Parted Magic is beter for that job because it can move/resize 
> partitions, which may be needed.

OK. (There are zillions of such tools.)

> PS: for what I know vfat in Linux is just the name of FAT32 ;)

Then Linux is not correct, because VFAT is just an extension to FAT12 /
FAT16 / FAT32 to allow long filenames:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#Long_file_names

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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Alain Mouette]

Thanks for the fix. Those were just erros (one typo and one exchanged word)

OTOH, Parted Magic is beter for that job because it can move/resize 
partitions, which may be needed.

Alain
PS: for what I know vfat in Linux is just the name of FAT32 ;)

Robert Riebisch escreveu:
> Alain Mouette wrote:
> 
>> I recomend that you use Parted magig: , it will 
>> tell you everything about your partitions
> 
> FDISK from the FreeDOS 1.0 CD should also do.
> 
>> Your FreeDOS partition should be vfat and "pimary", that is numbered 1 
>  ^^
>| primary
>FAT / FAT16 / FAT32
>> to 4. And it has to be set primary in order to boot. And it will work 
>  ^^^
>  active
> 
> [snip]
> 
> @david, Larry, Alain:
> Was there any reason to quote postings completely unrelated to this topic?
> 
> Robert Riebisch

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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Robert Riebisch]

Alain Mouette wrote:

> I recomend that you use Parted magig: , it will 
> tell you everything about your partitions

FDISK from the FreeDOS 1.0 CD should also do.

> Your FreeDOS partition should be vfat and "pimary", that is numbered 1 
     ^^
   | primary
   FAT / FAT16 / FAT32
> to 4. And it has to be set primary in order to boot. And it will work 
 ^^^
 active

[snip]

@david, Larry, Alain:
Was there any reason to quote postings completely unrelated to this topic?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Alain Mouette]

I recomend that you use Parted magig: <http://partedmagic.com/>, it will 
tell you everything about your partitions

Your FreeDOS partition should be vfat and "pimary", that is numbered 1 
to 4. And it has to be set primary in order to boot. And it will work 
best if it is the first primary partition.

This may be a problem with an existing Linux instalation BE VERY 
CAREFULL not to change partition order, grub will get lost. It can be 
fixed editing /boot/grub/menu/lst in rescue mode but it is really not 
obvious at all.

Alain

Larry escreveu:
> I suspect that your Linux partition will be either EXT2 or EXT3, and for 
> Freedos you can use vfat.
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 1/12/10, david lowe  wrote:
> 
>> From: david lowe 
>> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
>> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:56 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>> Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
>> Please excuse my 'newbie' question...
>> I'm considering setting up a dual-boot (or more)
>> system. 
>> How do I determine what type partition my system has?
>> Hopefully I'll end up with both FreeDOS & Linux on
>> the same drive.
>> Thanks for your patient support. 
>>
>>> From: freedos-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net
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>>>   (Christian Masloch)
>>>2. Re: (fdapm vs idlehalt performance and energy
>> saving in dos)
>>>   (Eric Auer)
>>>3. Re: FreeDOS Networking with other OS (Eric
>> Auer)
>>>4. New FreeDOSers Monthly Reminder
>> (jp_free...@gcfl.net)
>>>5. Warning, dont left your freedos cd on the
>> computer!!!
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>> Domain   license
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>>>
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:30:02 +0100
>>> From: "Christian Masloch"
>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] freedos - Modern sata dvd
>> dual layer not
>>> found
>>> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> Message-ID: 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15;
>> format=flowed;
>>> delsp=yes
>>>
>>>> First of all, what is AHCI? isn't that
>> related to USB???
>>> No. USB is related to the UHCI (USB 1.0), OHCI (USB
>> 1.1), EHCI (USB 2.0),  
>>> WHCI (Wireless USB) and XHCI (USB 3.0). AHCI is an
>> interface for SATA  
>>> controllers.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Christian
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:02:45 +0100
>>> From: Eric Auer 
>>> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] (fdapm vs idlehalt
>> performance and energy
>>> saving in dos)
>>> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> Message-ID: <4b3a7c85.5020...@jpberlin.de>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
>> format=flowed
>>>
>>> Hi Marcos,
>>>
>>> thanks for the in-depth measurements :-)
>>>
>>>>1  FDAPM APMDOS  +   IDLEHALT=1 11
>> sec
>>>>2  FDAPM ADV:REG +   IDLEHALT=1  6
>> sec
>>>>3  FDAPM APMDOS  6
>> sec
>>>>4IDLE

Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[Larry]

I suspect that your Linux partition will be either EXT2 or EXT3, and for 
Freedos you can use vfat.


--- On Tue, 1/12/10, david lowe  wrote:

> From: david lowe 
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:56 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
> Please excuse my 'newbie' question...
> I'm considering setting up a dual-boot (or more)
> system. 
> How do I determine what type partition my system has?
> Hopefully I'll end up with both FreeDOS & Linux on
> the same drive.
> Thanks for your patient support. 
> 
> > From: freedos-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Freedos-user Digest, Vol 334, Issue 1
> > To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:46:35 +
> > 
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> > Today's Topics:
> > 
> >1. Re: freedos - Modern sata dvd dual layer not
> found
> >   (Christian Masloch)
> >2. Re: (fdapm vs idlehalt performance and energy
> saving in dos)
> >   (Eric Auer)
> >3. Re: FreeDOS Networking with other OS (Eric
> Auer)
> >4. New FreeDOSers Monthly Reminder
> (jp_free...@gcfl.net)
> >5. Warning, dont left your freedos cd on the
> computer!!!
> >   (Marco Achury)
> >6. The Ikon GUI has been released under Public
> Domainlicense
> >   (Mateusz Viste)
> >7. Hello! (Willi Wasser)
> >8. Re: Hello! (Hans)
> > 
> > 
> >
> --
> > 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:30:02 +0100
> > From: "Christian Masloch"
> 
> > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] freedos - Modern sata dvd
> dual layer not
> > found
> > To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Message-ID: 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15;
> format=flowed;
> > delsp=yes
> > 
> > > First of all, what is AHCI? isn't that
> related to USB???
> > 
> > No. USB is related to the UHCI (USB 1.0), OHCI (USB
> 1.1), EHCI (USB 2.0),  
> > WHCI (Wireless USB) and XHCI (USB 3.0). AHCI is an
> interface for SATA  
> > controllers.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Christian
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:02:45 +0100
> > From: Eric Auer 
> > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] (fdapm vs idlehalt
> performance and energy
> > saving in dos)
> > To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Message-ID: <4b3a7c85.5020...@jpberlin.de>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
> format=flowed
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Marcos,
> > 
> > thanks for the in-depth measurements :-)
> > 
> > >1  FDAPM APMDOS  +   IDLEHALT=1 11
> sec
> > 
> > >2  FDAPM ADV:REG +   IDLEHALT=1  6
> sec
> > >3  FDAPM APMDOS  6
> sec
> > >4IDLEHALT=1  6
> sec
> > 
> > >5  FDAPM ADV:REG about
> half a sec
> > >6  (nothing) about
> half a sec
> > 
> > > I adopted option 5 to work with Desi-III, of
> course.
> > 
> > I agree that this is the best option. To answer your
> questions:
> > IDLEHALT is in the kernel, you do not have to load it.
> You only
> > activate it or not. FDAPM is more advanced, but takes
> a bit of
> > DOS memory. The ADV:REG option usually saves almost as
> much of
> > your battery power as the normal APMDOS option. You do
> not get
> > extra savings by combining FDAPM and IDLEHALT, only
> slowness ;-)
> > 
> > You do not need to standby or suspend DOS - just
> shutdown the PC
> > when you do not need it and reboo

Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)

[david lowe]

Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
Please excuse my 'newbie' question...
I'm considering setting up a dual-boot (or more) system. 
How do I determine what type partition my system has?
Hopefully I'll end up with both FreeDOS & Linux on the same drive.
Thanks for your patient support. 

> From: freedos-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Freedos-user Digest, Vol 334, Issue 1
> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:46:35 +
> 
> Send Freedos-user mailing list submissions to
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> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Freedos-user digest..."
> 
> 
> Today's Topics:
> 
>1. Re: freedos - Modern sata dvd dual layer not found
>   (Christian Masloch)
>2. Re: (fdapm vs idlehalt performance and energy saving in dos)
>   (Eric Auer)
>3. Re: FreeDOS Networking with other OS (Eric Auer)
>4. New FreeDOSers Monthly Reminder (jp_free...@gcfl.net)
>5. Warning, dont left your freedos cd on the computer!!!
>   (Marco Achury)
>6. The Ikon GUI has been released under Public Domain  license
>   (Mateusz Viste)
>7. Hello! (Willi Wasser)
>8. Re: Hello! (Hans)
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:30:02 +0100
> From: "Christian Masloch" 
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] freedos - Modern sata dvd dual layer not
>   found
> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed;
>   delsp=yes
> 
> > First of all, what is AHCI? isn't that related to USB???
> 
> No. USB is related to the UHCI (USB 1.0), OHCI (USB 1.1), EHCI (USB 2.0),  
> WHCI (Wireless USB) and XHCI (USB 3.0). AHCI is an interface for SATA  
> controllers.
> 
> Regards,
> Christian
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:02:45 +0100
> From: Eric Auer 
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] (fdapm vs idlehalt performance and energy
>   saving in dos)
> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Message-ID: <4b3a7c85.5020...@jpberlin.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> 
> Hi Marcos,
> 
> thanks for the in-depth measurements :-)
> 
> >1  FDAPM APMDOS  +   IDLEHALT=1 11 sec
> 
> >2  FDAPM ADV:REG +   IDLEHALT=1  6 sec
> >3  FDAPM APMDOS  6 sec
> >4IDLEHALT=1  6 sec
> 
> >5  FDAPM ADV:REG about half a sec
> >6  (nothing) about half a sec
> 
> > I adopted option 5 to work with Desi-III, of course.
> 
> I agree that this is the best option. To answer your questions:
> IDLEHALT is in the kernel, you do not have to load it. You only
> activate it or not. FDAPM is more advanced, but takes a bit of
> DOS memory. The ADV:REG option usually saves almost as much of
> your battery power as the normal APMDOS option. You do not get
> extra savings by combining FDAPM and IDLEHALT, only slowness ;-)
> 
> You do not need to standby or suspend DOS - just shutdown the PC
> when you do not need it and reboot it when you need it again, a
> DOS system usually boots very quickly. However, FDAPM does have
> support for APM BIOS standby and suspend. Whether it actually
> will work and wake up properly depends on the BIOS. If you get
> stuck, you can always keep the power button of your PC pressed
> for several seconds to force a power-off or power-on.
> 
> Newer BIOSes do not support any APM. They only support ACPI. For
> ACPI, FDAPM gives you throttling (SPEED1 to SPEED8) and poweroff
> but no actually useful standby or suspend options... Throttling
> means that your CPU will be halted up to 7/8 of the time, which
> is also a nice thing for playing too fast old DOS games :-). It
> is also possible to suspend other components with DOS PCISLEEP.
> 
> Note that all the throttling and suspending stuff does not save
> much more energy than FDAPM APMDOS on a typical desktop PC if
> DOS is just waiting for input at the prompt.
> 
> I also made a tool for AMD "Cool n Quiet" to switch my CPU
> to 1 GHz and lower voltage, but this only works for the CPU
> and mainboard for which you compile it. For automatic setup
> for generic PC, the tool would be complex and I was lazy...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:30:41 +0100
> From: Eric Auer 
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Networking with other OS
> To: mad.marvin.moonsha...@gmail.com,
>   freedos-use