Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS driver issues
Hi Virii, Does that mean I can use multiple cards somehow? In theory, yes, in practice, it will depend on how well you can edit the MPXPLAY etc config. Of course at most one of the cards can use SB16/similar mode, but as you say: I figured it out. It figures the only card I know worked in DOS wouldn't work in this particular Pentium IV PC. It worked fine in an old PIII, with whatever mobo it had. These Yamaha 724 chip cards need either a SB-Link cable, or something called Distributed DMA, to work in real DOS mode. Neither of which this PC has support for... Similar with the ForteMedia FM801, the more modern your mainboard the less hope there is for any PCI or PCIe slot to support anything sufficiently ISA DMA look-alike. Still, non-DMA stuff will happily keep working, e.g. Adlib / OPL3 style game music, in particular in games which use no complex timing things with soundcard IRQ, as more modern boards even make IRQs less DOS style these days... Does anyone have a solid method for installing FreeDOS in DOSEMU? One is simply pre-installed with most DOSEMU copies. If you want to upgrade it, you can replace the files in your virtual C: or boot from a virtual A: floppy. Remember to keep some specific tools such as EXITEMU around, otherwise you will have to close DOS windows by mouse instead of being able to use the command. Eric -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS driver issues
Well in Linux, I'm already using 2 sound outputs. The card, and the onboard audio AC97. In Linux I just switch to the AC97 when I want to use the headphones. What about DOS though? Can it handle having two sound cards, plus onboard audio? I don't think it would know the difference!! Does that mean I can use multiple cards somehow? Is there a way I can select which card to use in apps like Mpxplay? Bleh. Try another tool like NSSI, perhaps? it helps more? Nice one. While this app was very informative (I'll definitely use it in the future), it didn't set the variable like the previously mentioned. It could be an IRQ conflict, dunno. I figured it out. It figures the only card I know worked in DOS wouldn't work in this particular Pentium IV PC. It worked fine in an old PIII, with whatever mobo it had. These Yamaha 724 chip cards need either a SB-Link cable, or something called Distributed DMA, to work in real DOS mode. Neither of which this PC has support for... Really? That's odd. DOSEMU should run Quake at native speed, even under x86-64! (Yes, I've tried!) No idea why that is, but try dpmi -m 0xA000 to see if that helps (doubt it, but ...). Seriously, something is up if it runs *slower* than DOSBox!! Does anyone have a solid method for installing FreeDOS in DOSEMU? I simply copied the physical installation I had to the virtual C drive, modifying the boot files as needed. Well that's about it. Thanks for all the help people. It's been much appreciated. ;) -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/FreeDOS-driver-issues-tp32073870p32093556.html Sent from the FreeDOS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Magic Quadrant for Content-Aware Data Loss Prevention Research study explores the data loss prevention market. Includes in-depth analysis on the changes within the DLP market, and the criteria used to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of these DLP solutions. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51385063/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS driver issues
Hi, On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Virii emul...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it would know the difference!! Does that mean I can use multiple cards somehow? Is there a way I can select which card to use in apps like Mpxplay? Dunno, but I doubt it. Ask the author (Atilla) on his SourceForge forum: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mpxplay/forums/forum/219198 Well, it does support -scs to choose between different cards. See README.TXT (says for DOS can be CMI, ENS, ICH, IHD, SBA, VIA, S16, ESS, WSS, GUS, SBP, WAV, NUL). -- 10 Tips for Better Web Security Learn 10 ways to better secure your business today. Topics covered include: Web security, SSL, hacker attacks Denial of Service (DoS), private keys, security Microsoft Exchange, secure Instant Messaging, and much more. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51426210/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS driver issues
Hi, On 7/18/11, Virii emul...@gmail.com wrote: Well in Linux, I'm already using 2 sound outputs. The card, and the onboard audio AC97. In Linux I just switch to the AC97 when I want to use the headphones. What about DOS though? Can it handle having two sound cards, plus onboard audio? I don't think it would know the difference!! I found a Sound Blaster detection app linked to from this page. It finds, and sets, the blaster variable for the Yamaha I just plugged into this PC. The problem is that when I take that variable, and add it to my autoexec, it doesn't work. Bleh. Try another tool like NSSI, perhaps? it helps more? http://www.navsoft.cz/products.htm I ended up setting the autoexec to call the BLASTER.EXE detection app itself at startup. Several of the apps, and games with auto-detection features now find the Yamaha card, but it still isn't outputting sound. Yes, I've already tested it in Linux. Maybe it's this Pentium 4, or MoBo BIOS causing issues? I noticed that it has some devices assigned (possibly dynamically) to the same IRQs in the BIOS. It could be an IRQ conflict, dunno. At the risk of a horrible idea, why not just use DOSBox under Linux? It's fine for 386 games like DOOM, but games like Daggerfall/Quake have major frame skipping/dropping. IIRC, Quake almost runs perfect, though the sound breaks up sometimes. Yeah, DOSBox = fast 486 while Quake really needs a Pentium (FPU). You could try core=dynamic, but that may? need to be directly tweaked in the config file (only). Also, of course, make sure memsize=64 (also in config file only) so it doesn't swap to death. (Hexen2: HoT doesn't even seem to load in default memsize=16. And yes that gets choppy too, no surprise, it's Quake-based.) I like the idea of a smooth 60fps, and also like the idea of using the native environment OS. Then say goodbye to sound! :-( I would rather suggest dosemu, which is faster and runs real FreeDOS. I've installed FreeDOS to dosemu. All I can say is that it's waayyy choppy slow, even without sound! DOSBox was better, but I already haveseveral programs running in FreeDOS fullspeed. (although without sound) :-( Really? That's odd. DOSEMU should run Quake at native speed, even under x86-64! (Yes, I've tried!) No idea why that is, but try dpmi -m 0xA000 to see if that helps (doubt it, but ...). Seriously, something is up if it runs *slower* than DOSBox!! BTW - Could someone points me towards a place to learn FreeeDOS specific syntax(es). This was one of the last files I edited when I used DOS last. It was me putting Windows 98, ME, and 98Lite all on one disc with a 2.88MB boot img. As you can see, the syntax I used is a little out of date. I guess you mean the menu items in CONFIG.SYS (etc). http://sourceforge.net/projects/freedos/files/Kernel/2040/ke2040_86f32.zip/download That file includes docs/config.txt (lists various CONFIG.SYS settings, including menu). Other general help: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/help/ -- AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on Lean Startup Secrets Revealed. This video shows you how to validate your ideas, optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS driver issues
Hi! Does anyone here know about connecting two PCI sound cards in FreeDOS? I have two sound chips: One on my mainboard (something nForce HDA) and one PCI ForteMedia FM801 (thanks Martin!). The former has good quality in Linux but is ignored in DOS, the latter sounds worse in Linux but works partially in DOS :-) The FM801 card comes with some Adlib / OPL3 style FM chip for the typical game music and tries to be SB Pro or SB 16 compatible for the digitized sounds but the chip is also AC97. On newer mainboards, the SB compatibility works worse but at least the OPL3 keeps working :-) So far the pros... The cons are that I have to connect the output of one card to the input of the next or use a switch to select from which card I want to go to the amplifier. Another thing is that I have way too many volume control / mixer channels now :-D In any case, you do not have to disable one card to use the other, simply install drivers for the card(s) that you like. In Linux, as both cards are recognized, simply select which one you prefer as the default output. At the risk of a horrible idea, why not just use DOSBox under Linux? I would rather suggest dosemu, which is faster and runs real FreeDOS. Heck, even KolibriOS has DOSBox 0.73, and that's only a 3 MB [sic] download. (Works with AC97 too, apparently.) Sounds fun :-) Make a 2.88 MB boot floppy image for boot ISOs of it. Eric -- AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on Lean Startup Secrets Revealed. This video shows you how to validate your ideas, optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS driver issues
So far the pros... The cons are that I have to connect the output of one card to the input of the next or use a switch to select from which card I want to go to the amplifier. Another thing is that I have way too many volume control / mixer channels now :-D How so? One card is the previously mentioned, the other is a Yamaha YMF-724 w/SPDIF. Could I somehow connect the two? In any case, you do not have to disable one card to use the other, simply install drivers for the card(s) that you like. In Linux, as both cards are recognized, simply select which one you prefer as the default output. Well in Linux, I'm already using 2 sound outputs. The card, and the onboard audio AC97. In Linux I just switch to the AC97 when I want to use the headphones. What about DOS though? Can it handle having two sound cards, plus onboard audio? I found a Sound Blaster detection app linked to from this page. It finds, and sets, the blaster variable for the Yamaha I just plugged into this PC. The problem is that when I take that variable, and add it to my autoexec, it doesn't work. I ended up setting the autoexec to call the BLASTER.EXE detection app itself at startup. Several of the apps, and games with auto-detection features now find the Yamaha card, but it still isn't outputting sound. Yes, I've already tested it in Linux. Maybe it's this Pentium 4, or MoBo BIOS causing issues? I noticed that it has some devices assigned (possibly dynamically) to the same IRQs in the BIOS. At the risk of a horrible idea, why not just use DOSBox under Linux? It's fine for 386 games like DOOM, but games like Daggerfall/Quake have major frame skipping/dropping. I like the idea of a smooth 60fps, and also like the idea of using the native environment OS. I would rather suggest dosemu, which is faster and runs real FreeDOS. I've installed FreeDOS to dosemu. All I can say is that it's waayyy choppy slow, even without sound! DOSBox was better, but I already haveseveral programs running in FreeDOS fullspeed. (although without sound) :-( BTW - Could someone points me towards a place to learn FreeeDOS specific syntax(es). This was one of the last files I edited when I used DOS last. It was me putting Windows 98, ME, and 98Lite all on one disc with a 2.88MB boot img. As you can see, the syntax I used is a little out of date. http://pastebin.com/E26wnSWK http://pastebin.com/LcJnyCTg -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/FreeDOS-driver-issues-tp32073870p32080579.html Sent from the FreeDOS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on Lean Startup Secrets Revealed. This video shows you how to validate your ideas, optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS driver issues
Hi Virii, please check the install known problems section: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freedos/index.php?title=Install#Known_problems You are right that installing all includes some unstable things such as old USB or network drivers which might crash or hang during install. To avoid that, un-select packages or simply install base freedos before full freedos. First of all, I'd like to get some more basic problems out of the way. After downloading the 1.0 'full' cd iso, and burning it to a disc, I was unable to boot into 'live' mode. I know now this is due to my PC only having a SATA DVD-RW drive. We are also testing 1.1 at the moment, Bernd can tell you more. Also when attempting to install FreeDOS from that full cd, I was unable to complete many functions, because it was looking for an ethernet connection. I have a ethernet hub plugged into my PC, but it's only used for FTP to other local devices. See above - I recommend to skip network and usb files at install. My only means of internet access is a USB 3G modem. That is very unlikely to work in DOS. Try a network card or onboard network chip. There are also devices to connect to USB modems on one end and to network cables on the other end. But maybe you do not really need internet in DOS anyway :-) But... this leads to a problem of sorts for me. Not really, you will probably be fine with BASE and you can simply unzip extra packages from the CD later. How do I install many of the features I want like USB, SD Card, and SATA disc drive support? SATA harddisk simply works by BIOS. For USB drives and SD card readers, BIOS might help. Otherwise, you can install the Bret Johnson USB drivers for DOS or the demo version of the Georg Potthast ones (which give faster I/O but only work for a while after each time you load them)... For SATA DVD/CD, you can use the UIDE drivers by Jack. All of those are newer than 1.0 but you can just download them in Linux, copy them to your DOS partition and then unzip them there, read the docs, you know the rest. Eventually, I decided to go with the 'base' cd, and successfully installed the OS to a 5GB partition. I also found something called the ODD-DOS driver that I very hackneyed added to my AUTOEXEC.BAT, and fdconfig.sys, which allowed me access to my optical disc drive. That probably was a somewhat old CD driver though... Here are my AUTOEXEC.BAT, and FDCONFIG.SYS pastes. http://pastebin.com/Gm9L8LVk http://pastebin.com/sk3z5BBm Thanks :-) Eric -- AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on Lean Startup Secrets Revealed. This video shows you how to validate your ideas, optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS driver issues
You are right that installing all includes some unstable things such as old USB or network drivers which might crash or hang during install. To avoid that, un-select packages or simply install base freedos before full freedos. Even after trying to install over the base release, I ended up getting some 'add packet driver' errors too many times, so I decided to try your following advice. Not really, you will probably be fine with BASE and you can simply unzip extra packages from the CD later. It's been a couple years since I tried messing around with a DOS, but I remembered the PATH variable. Thanks for pointing out that it was this simple, but this only solves the problem of the packages included on the disc. SATA harddisk simply works by BIOS. For USB drives and SD card readers, BIOS might help. Otherwise, you can install the Bret Johnson USB drivers for DOS or the demo version of the Georg Potthast ones (which give faster I/O but only work for a while after each time you load them)... For SATA DVD/CD, you can use the UIDE drivers by Jack. All of those are newer than 1.0 but you can just download them in Linux, copy them to your DOS partition and then unzip them there, read the docs, you know the rest. Are these the drivers that wget would attempt to pull from the net? I couldn't get the Bret Johnson USB drivers working, although all I tried were my usb flash drives. Back when I tried DOS last on MS-DOS 7.n something, I used the old DOSASPI.SYS/DI1000DD.SYS method successfully. While it was with the same usb flash drives, it was a different PC at the time. So going back to try it out, I couldn't get that method to work either. Any tips on getting the newer drivers to work? Here are my AUTOEXEC.BAT, and FDCONFIG.SYS pastes. http://pastebin.com/Gm9L8LVk http://pastebin.com/sk3z5BBm I was hoping someone might point out why the drivers wouldn't load in 'HIMEM XMS-memory' mode. I don't ever remember seeing '!' points in BAT files back when I had a mild familiarity with DOS. On a separate issue, my PC is older, but not classic native DOS old. It's from around 2005-06. It has a Nvidia 8400GS which seems to work fine, but it's sound card is the problem. I have a Sound Blaster Audigy SE. It works in newer apps like Mpxplay / QuickView Pro, but it doesn't work with any older apps that require SB compatibility it seems. Are there any generic SB emulators for (Free)DOS? I don't know much about the technical driver stuff, sorry. -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/FreeDOS-driver-issues-tp32073870p32075623.html Sent from the FreeDOS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on Lean Startup Secrets Revealed. This video shows you how to validate your ideas, optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS driver issues
Hi, On 7/16/11, Virii emul...@gmail.com wrote: I thought the SB Live and Audigy still had DOS drivers, but that it required installation in Windows first, possibly followed by contacting Creative Labs for the DOS drivers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster_Audigy#Sound_Blaster_Audigy_SE_.26_Audigy_Value It's an 'SE' which is similarly related to the value . After reading these two pages, I realized why this sound card isn't working, and why sound in QV (and Mpxplay) does. http://easymamecab.mameworld.info/html/snddosdr.htm http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.DevelSound# I guess one of my final hopes would maybe be the onboard AC97, but I don't think it's one of the known-to-work older chip-sets. Does anyone here know about connecting two PCI sound cards in FreeDOS? Can I disable, or ignore the Audigy SE, while implementing say an old YMF724 card I have in storage? Or will I have to remove the Audigy for sound to work properly? At the risk of a horrible idea, why not just use DOSBox under Linux? ;-) DOSBox 0.74 supports sound emulation very well, perhaps better than anything. So unless your computer can't handle it (unlikely!), I'd suggest that route, at least if you need sound that badly. (Sorry, sound under DOS these days is a mess.) Heck, even KolibriOS has DOSBox 0.73, and that's only a 3 MB [sic] download. (Works with AC97 too, apparently.) -- AppSumo Presents a FREE Video for the SourceForge Community by Eric Ries, the creator of the Lean Startup Methodology on Lean Startup Secrets Revealed. This video shows you how to validate your ideas, optimize your ideas and identify your business strategy. http://p.sf.net/sfu/appsumosfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
