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Fantastic! I try to be a little absurd [‡] invoking aliens and the dark side of the moon, and Steve finds a way to make it seem reasonable. You clearly out-meta'd me on that one. [‡] Can one be a little absurd? A↛(B⇒A) and B↛(A → A), despite what 'they' tell you. On 3/28/24 16:37, Steve

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Thursday, March 28, 2024 at 10:33 AM To: friam@redfish.com<mailto:friam@redfish.com> mailto:friam@redfish.com>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity Bandwidth might be a problem. But the dark side of the moon seems like an option ... assuming you can negotiate with the aliens t

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ting_Center > > From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> on > behalf of glen mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> > Date: Thursday, March 28, 2024 at 10:33 AM > To: friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com> <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> > Subj

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Of glen > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 9:49 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity > > Maybe. But way before that happens, it will(has) force(d) the disaffected > (people, animals, plants) of any such region to die, move, or adapt. > > In the Gaza

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: > > https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/microsoft-hires-erin-henderson-to-head-nuclear-development-acceleration-for-data-centers/ > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 6:34 PM > To: friam@redfish.com

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https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/microsoft-hires-erin-henderson-to-head-nuclear-development-acceleration-for-data-centers/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 6:34 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death

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Published a paper couple of years back — IT is not Sustainable. One point was power consumption: known server-farms at that time used more energy per year than the UK. Less than 10% came from renewable sources. Not included were all the “secret” farms in Russia, China, etc., or centers like

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on-commercial-underwater-data-center/ > > I suppose there are some that would say gentrification is genocide -- a slow coerced displacement. > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of glen > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 9:49 AM &g

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> > > > I suppose there are some that would say gentrification is genocide -- a > slow coerced displacement. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Friam On Behalf Of glen > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 9:49 AM > > To: friam@redfish.com >

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ide -- a slow coerced displacement. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 9:49 AM To:friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity Maybe. But way before that happens, it will(has) force(d) the disaffected (people, animals, plants) of a

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*friam@redfish.com *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity Bandwidth might be a problem. But the dark side of the moon seems like an option ... assuming you can negotiate with the aliens that live over there. The best thing about coral is you don't have to negotiate for their "land". Y

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Maybe. But way before that happens, it will(has) force(d) the disaffected (people, animals, plants) of any such region to die, move, or adapt. In the Gaza kerfuffle, I've heard some describe coerced displacement as "genocide". I guess the more reasonble term is ethnic cleansing. The settlers

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It will force innovation on energy-efficient microarchitecture (e.g. Groq) and on renewable power generation near data centers. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 7:09 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity As we

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Heh, as long as you identify the particulars of the use case, then "both-and" is intuitive and correct. But when someone makes an ambiguous statement with no particulars and makes no serious attempt to describe the context in which their statement is supposed to be understood, then it's

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Another thing that helps me with Friam disagreements is to think in terms of "both-and" rather than "either-or". In Fiddler on the Roof, Tevya says to A, "you're right". B objects and Tevya says again, "You're right". C says that they can't both be right and Tevya says, "You're also right".

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Awesome! I appreciate the link, though reading my DSM V entry on BPD muddies my water. 8^) From your words and those of the link (Mahari), I can't help but think about patterns of sensory stimuli, as opposed to "objects", per se. While I completely reject the imputing of object-hood onto the

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Hmm. In my own words: perhaps you've known people who "fall to pieces" when the object of their attachment isn't present. This often causes that "object" to flee. Think of boy-girl relationships in adolescence which sometimes are messed up because of the imprint of the past. Frank Frank

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Lack of object constancy after childhood is definitely considered to be symptomatic. If you don't believe something exists unless you are experiencing it, including yourself, you will have a difficult time. Here is a link:

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I am (or thought I was) familiar with the idea. But it should be clear that the wikipedia entry is GUILTY of the exact problem I'm trying to point out. So, it's not only not helpful, but perpetuates the problem. Witness: "Object constancy, similar to Jean Piaget's object permanence,

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Right. Of course. But it's very telling that you put the word *purpose* last. It is that purpose that sets the entire context, including the appropriateness of any definition in the lexicon used while engaged in the project. You seem to have ignored my point about use cases and how they set

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You guys might be interested in the Psychoanalytic concept of object constancy. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Mahler Many philosophical discussions are explained by psychoanalysts in terms of object constancy. And the self is also an object Psychoanalytic speaking. The old

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On 10/30/2017 08:34 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: > Do humans become more specialized with age?  I propose that we go through > cycles of specialization/generalization.  Babies are optimized for two > things, ingesting and metabolizing nourishment (eliminating waste is a > sub-process this) and

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Glen ☣ - This is a very /sophist/icated argument YOU make.  *I* can't tell, however if *YOU* believe it, at least right this instant... perhaps *YOU* believed it when you wrote it, but does that belief persist from the former now to the current now? Smart-asserry aside... Trying to take

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Yes, you're right to classify the illusion of self along with Smith's preemptive registration, more insidious, I think, than premature registration. Identifying an object as atomic lies at the heart of a lot of our problems. We could just as easily call it a discretization artifact. Here,

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ks -- less of anything that has been seen before. Marcus From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of gⅼеɳ ☣ <geprope...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 1:55:35 PM To: FriAM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death On 10/30/2017 12:01 PM, Marcu

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It seems tragic, almost. Marcus From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 9:34:57 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death I'm

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Roger writes: “It seems that this sort of dead code, undead code, zombie code problem is fairly ubiquitous in information processing systems.  No matter whose system, there are always things around that don't go away because nobody cared to do anything about them.  They always need a

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I'm wondering if pupating isn't more relevant to the topic than moulting? As for molting, I was surprised to learn that lobsters (and other decapods?) appear to avoid/eschew cellular senescence...  and their apparent increase in sexual reproductivity with age...   death seems to come (if not

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That was a lot, forcing me to cherry-pick. 8^) I disagree with the *fairly* quickly part. The time scales being traversed are huge, as you point out. When you make the argument that death happens fairly abruptly you bias that comment towards a few scales, namely the ones related to

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Roger writes: “It seems that this sort of dead code, undead code, zombie code problem is fairly ubiquitous in information processing systems. No matter whose system, there are always things around that don't go away because nobody cared to do anything about them. They always need a clean

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Molting is a fantastic metaphor. But do we have any species to look to that molts for greater generality instead of greater specialty? I suppose we could argue that some species jump from one specialty to another via molting. But that passes the buck to some set of processes that hold the

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Glen writes: "But some conception of interruptibility or parallelism seems necessary also. If a UTM couldn't stop, mid-algorithm, to work on some other problem, then perhaps death is still needed?" Humans have minimal short term memory, but an extended UTM could yield any number of

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On Behalf Of g??? ? > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 2:18 PM > To: FriAM <friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death > > Good question. But I tend to think the problem is less about plasticity > and more about specialization. As we've seen, specialized (artific

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Hm. I suppose we could think of a UTM in the same way we think of an ANN. A large enough ANN becomes a look up table. A UTM could be conceived (simply?) as some sort of an index for all the algorithms (possible or real). Rather than extending out in time (complicated, infinitely extensible

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PM To: FriAM <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death Good question. But I tend to think the problem is less about plasticity and more about specialization. As we've seen, specialized (artificial) intelligence is relatively easy, compare termites to humans. So-called g

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Good question. But I tend to think the problem is less about plasticity and more about specialization. As we've seen, specialized (artificial) intelligence is relatively easy, compare termites to humans. So-called general intelligence (or universal constructors) is much harder. The distance

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< Our universality depends fundamentally on babies. In order for progress to be made, the old farts, with all their outdated ideas, must die so the young turds can do things their way. Sure, we want to keep the old farts around and exploit them as best we can. But at some point, those

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On 10/30/2017 12:01 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Odd that some conservatives give embedded worth to lives that have > demonstrated none yet (pro-lifers), and change the rules as life progresses. > Why the act of faith in the first place? Why no conservatives advocating > one-child-per-family,

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"But I think what it, ultimately devolves to is that humans come very close to universal constructors. With the reflective layers of brain and opposable thumbs, we can do almost anything ... with the right resources, right context, etc." I'm looking forward to AI companies succeeding at

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Glen writes: Odd that some conservatives give embedded worth to lives that have demonstrated none yet (pro-lifers), and change the rules as life progresses. Why the act of faith in the first place? Why no conservatives advocating one-child-per-family, or income requirements for

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I used to argue with my parents (a lot) about whether or not humans were different from animals, mostly because my mom claimed animals don't have souls. She's right, of course, because nobody has souls. 8^) But I think what it, ultimately devolves to is that humans come very close to universal

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That was a lot, forcing me to cherry-pick. 8^) I disagree with the *fairly* quickly part. The time scales being traversed are huge, as you point out. When you make the argument that death happens fairly abruptly you bias that comment towards a few scales, namely the ones related to

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pplied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death Glen - I think the topic of death in it's broadest sense is very apropos of an Applied Complexity discussion group, here is what came up for me off the cuff: Life itself is nothing if not "complex" by

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lt;friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Russ Abbott <russ.abb...@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 3:47:34 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death Near the end of the Aeon piece. Those hoping that I would resolve this paradox might now be get

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Glen - I think the topic of death in it's broadest sense is very apropos of an Applied Complexity discussion group, here is what came up for me off the cuff: Life itself is nothing if not "complex" by any measure or meaning of the term?  Even me, trying hard to live "a Simple Life".

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Glen - As always, you pose interesting points to ponder, and very apropos as we approach el Dia de los Muertos, Samhain, All Souls, Halloween. As often, my first response was to clatter out a massive missive pondering the many facets of death (and life) from my own idiosyncratic Complexity

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Near the end of the Aeon piece. Those hoping that I would resolve this paradox might now be getting a little anxious, as we are reaching the penultimate paragraph with no solution in sight. But it should be clear by now that I do not believe there is a solution. I believe that the death of the

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Ha! I live to serve. 8^) Brings new meaning to the terrifying motivational aphorism: today is the first day of the rest of your life. Great theme for Samhain! On October 28, 2017 10:31:43 AM PDT, Gary Schiltz wrote: >Yesterday was my birthday, a milestone toward

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Yesterday was my birthday, a milestone toward the inexorable fate of all life. Thank you so much for sharing :-Q On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 12:23 PM, glen wrote: > 2 interesting essays on death, the first with some of our obligatory > buzzwords. > > Not nothing >