Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Richard Gerome]

   You need a virus software program if you run Windows on it...-Original Message-
From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio 
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Subject: Re: Anti-virus for Mac

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:06 AM, James Therrault  wrote:


On Nov 10, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Tina K. wrote:


Today on the Price Is Wright they had a MacPro in the showcase showdown, it came equipped with "a 1TB hard drive…


… and anti-virus software."

I almost choked on my soda.



Yeah, but Drew has really slimmed down and he's a Mac guy...Well he would be a Mac guy logically. He went to college here and our campus has lots of Macs. And has had a Mac Store on  campus for a long time.

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:06 AM, James Therrault wrote:

>
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Tina K. wrote:
>
>  Today on the Price Is Wright they had a MacPro in the showcase showdown,
>> it came equipped with "a 1TB hard drive…
>>
>>
>> … and anti-virus software."
>>
>> I almost choked on my soda.
>>
>
>
> Yeah, but Drew has really slimmed down and he's a Mac guy...
>


Well he would be a Mac guy logically. He went to college here and our campus
has lots of Macs. And has had a Mac Store on  campus for a long time.




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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[James Therrault]

On Nov 10, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Tina K. wrote:

Today on the Price Is Wright they had a MacPro in the showcase  
showdown, it came equipped with "a 1TB hard drive…



… and anti-virus software."

I almost choked on my soda.



Yeah, but Drew has really slimmed down and he's a Mac guy...

JT




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Re: Trying to bring a partition back to life

[Tom Podnar]

Data Rescue II worked the best for me after even the Genius bar  
couldn't get anything back.  I bought and formatted a second hard  
drive into my G4 MDD and tried their web site for free.  The test  
seemed to show that their product would work so I downloaded it and  
followed the directions.  It worked and they then also sent me the disk.


Tom


On Nov 10, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Tina K. wrote:


On 2010/11/10 08:08, Joshua Juran so eloquently wrote:

How much is your data worth?  If it's worth nothing, just cut your
losses.  If it's worth the cost of DiskWarrior, get it.   
DiskWarrior is

an excellent repair utility, but recovery is safer than repair


An often over-looked ability of DiskWarrior is that even if you are  
unable to write a new directory as part of the repair process, you  
may be able to use the new directory that has been created, but not  
written, to perform a more complete (more accurate?) recovery of  
the data on the partition in question.


Tina

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Re: hijacking

[Dan]

At 7:20 PM -0700 11/10/2010, Tina K. wrote:

So messages in a thread are linked together individually rather than a
common identification in the headers of all messages in the thread?


Right.  And the list of references makes up the branch of this 
particular thread, on its way up to the OP.


Take a look at the full headers in this thread.  Yours says:

  References: 
   
   
  In-Reply-To: 

Caveat:  Some mail clients strip these out.  So they end up 
subject-threading anyway.


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Re: Trying to bring a partition back to life

[Tina K.]

On 2010/11/10 08:08, Joshua Juran so eloquently wrote:

How much is your data worth?  If it's worth nothing, just cut your
losses.  If it's worth the cost of DiskWarrior, get it.  DiskWarrior is
an excellent repair utility, but recovery is safer than repair


An often over-looked ability of DiskWarrior is that even if you are 
unable to write a new directory as part of the repair process, you may 
be able to use the new directory that has been created, but not written, 
to perform a more complete (more accurate?) recovery of the data on the 
partition in question.


Tina

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Dan]

At 7:12 PM -0700 11/10/2010, Tina K. wrote:
Today on the Price Is Wright they had a MacPro 
in the showcase showdown, it came equipped with 
"a 1TB hard driveŠ



Š and anti-virus software."

I almost choked on my soda.


ROFL!

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Re: hijacking

[Tina K.]

On 2010/11/10 10:00, Doug McNutt so eloquently wrote:


   Section 3.6.4


Note the In-Reply-To: header that contains the Message-ID: information from the 
message being replied to.

A recursive train of those headers gives mail software, especially lists, a way 
to make a collected display of threaded topics. Done that way there is no 
confusion when someone corrects a spelling error in a subject line or adds 
something like Re:, [G3-G5] or Antwort to a subject.


So messages in a thread are linked together individually rather than a 
common identification in the headers of all messages in the thread?


Thank you for the information and the links. This will make it possible 
for me to determine if it is a thread hijack or my email client that is 
causing some messages to appear not threaded correctly.


Tina

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Tina K.]

Today on the Price Is Wright they had a MacPro in the showcase showdown, 
it came equipped with "a 1TB hard drive…



… and anti-virus software."

I almost choked on my soda.

Tina

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Re: Trying to bring a partition back to life

[admin]

Thanks for the info.  Would it have been so terrible to build it in OS  
X Disk Utility.  One of the several things I miss from OS 9 is the  
mounting utilitiies that were available.



On Nov 10, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Dan wrote:

Boot into OS X and follow these directions to mount the volume read- 
only.




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Re: 27" Apple Cinema Display (Aluminum LED) and ATI Radeon 9800Pro Mac Edition?

[Jeffrey Engle]

On Nov 10, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:

> Although Apple's design makes me drool, again ... at least for the iMac 27" I 
> saw at BestBuy last night ...

Yes, I am forced to look at one every day:-(   (sorry, had to do that) Jeff

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Re: 27" Apple Cinema Display (Aluminum LED) and ATI Radeon 9800Pro Mac Edition?

[Bill Connelly]

On Nov 10, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



The first link I sent was for a dual-link one. More expensive. $145,  
but it does what you want


"The Atlona AT-DP400 is a DVI to Mini DisplayPort converter designed  
to convert every Mac or PC computer's with a dual link DVI output to  
a digital signal over a Mini DisplayPort connector. The AT-DP400 is  
specifically designed to work with iMac 27" and 27" LED which can  
support resolutions up to 2560x1440. "







Do I actually need 10.6 to use the new 27" LED Apple Cinema Display?

Perhaps the Dell UltraSharpTM  U2711 27”W would be more compatible,  
although not LED backlit, it has many connectors, don't think I would  
need an adapter:

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&sku=224-8284&redirect=1

Although Apple's design makes me drool, again ... at least for the  
iMac 27" I saw at BestBuy last night ...


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Re: hijacking

[ah...clem]

On Nov 10, 2:06 pm, "Wallace Adrian D'Alessio"
 wrote:

> Clem, Dude, Time out!
>
> The idea is to build community at LEM not chase people away no matter what
> you think about MichaelP your attitude and rudeness are against the grain
> and just unacceptable.
> The terms of use say so.

true enough.  i guess i crossed the line a bit.  but i am very annoyed
when a thread gets hi-jacked, even if i'm not the one who started it
or contributed to it.  it's frustrating that the nannies can be so
picky about things that seem insignificant to me, yet they don't
appear to reprimand those folks that repeatedly hijack threads.  so
when i saw the hijacker protest that the term hijacking was rude and
offensive, i guess i over-reacted a bit.  the net can be very
frustrating when people hide behind the electronic anonymity and say
things that they would never have the nads to say face-to-face.  i am
occasionally guilty as well.  apologies to all (except maybe the
hijacker).

> Some folks think this is a PC forum or something.

OUCH!

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Re: Trying to bring a partition back to life

[Dan]

At 6:29 PM -0800 11/9/2010, MaGioZal wrote:

I am currently running Mac OS 9 and 10.4 on a Beige G3 PowerMac, and
recently the biggest, non-booting partition which contained alot of
softwares and data (from which I didn't make backup...:-/) just died
down after some forced shutdowns. I've tried 3 different tools of disk
recovery, but I've got no results, as can be seen on the gallery:
[Disk First Aid, Norton, Disk Utility]
Well, the big quetion is: qaht can I do now to rescue this partition?
Is there any free alternative or just DiskWarrior can help?


First, realize that Norton Utilities for Mac, Disk Doctor in 
particular, is *known* to be incompatible with Tiger.  It corrupts 
HFS+ volumes and, as I recall, destroys journaling data.  Symantec 
abandoned NDD back in 2004 because they couldn't manage to fix it.


That the volume is not your boot volume is a good thing.  Hopefully 
all that you've done to it so far has not damaged it too badly.


Boot into OS X and follow these directions to mount the volume read-only.


If that works, use Carbon Copy Cloner (CCC) to back up as much of the 
volume as you can.  Then re-initialize (erase) it with Disk Utility, 
and reload it with CCC.



IF you cannot mount the volume read-only, then try Data Rescue.  It 
can do a low-level scan of the drive to see what can be recovered.



DiskWarrior is also an option.  But it requires a semi-intact file 
system whereas Data Rescue does not - it scans the damaged file 
system and augments it with the actual file structures it finds on 
the disk.


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Re: hijacking

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:53 PM, ah...clem  wrote:

>
>
> put yourself in the other person's shoes for one moment, instead of
> being a petulant child.  if someone posts a question and then some
> else uses that thread to change the subject, and also changes the
> subject line of the original thread, then the original poster may lose
> track of the replies to his/her thread, and all of the readers may
> lose track of the original discussion.  what about THEIR right to ask
> a question and get replies, and to follow a discussion without
> interruption and unnecessary confusion?
>
> are you so STOOPID that you can't figure out how to create a new
> thread instead of HI-JACKING someone elses', or just too frickin'
> LAZY?  maybe YOU should learn how to use an email client, and stop
> whining like a spoiled brat when someone gives you a TINY dose of well-
> deserved criticism.  if you don't like the comments from the
> listmembers, you are welcome to unsubscribe.  get over yourself, and
> quit being an inconsiderate ass, or go somewhere else for free advice.
>



Clem, Dude, Time out!

The idea is to build community at LEM not chase people away no matter what
you think about MichaelP your attitude and rudeness are against the grain
and just unacceptable.
The terms of use say so.

Some folks think this is a PC forum or something.






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Re: 27" Apple Cinema Display (Aluminum LED) and ATI Radeon 9800Pro Mac Edition?

[Bill Connelly]

On Nov 10, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


The first link I sent was for a dual-link one. More expensive. $145,  
but it does what you want


"The Atlona AT-DP400 is a DVI to Mini DisplayPort converter designed  
to convert every Mac or PC computer's with a dual link DVI output to  
a digital signal over a Mini DisplayPort connector. The AT-DP400 is  
specifically designed to work with iMac 27" and 27" LED which can  
support resolutions up to 2560x1440. "







My apologies ... I scanned over the pics and they seemed to be what I  
had seen before ... thanks for pointing that out ...


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Re: 27" Apple Cinema Display (Aluminum LED) and ATI Radeon 9800Pro Mac Edition?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:

> Yes ... close ... but its specs say:
> 
> Product Features and Technical Details
> Product Features
>   • Converts DVI to DisplayPort using the Mini-DisplayPort connector 
> interface
>   • Supports video at 1920x1...@60 resolution
>   • True pixel-to-pixel signal conversion without scaling
>   • Built-in EDID support. Durable converter casing.
>   • This version supports single-link DVI. Dual-Link is not supported at 
> this time.
> Technical Details
>   • Connector Details: 1 x DVI Female Digital Video; 1 x DisplayPort 
> Female


The first link I sent was for a dual-link one. More expensive. $145, but it 
does what you want

"The Atlona AT-DP400 is a DVI to Mini DisplayPort converter designed to convert 
every Mac or PC computer's with a dual link DVI output to a digital signal over 
a Mini DisplayPort connector. The AT-DP400 is specifically designed to work 
with iMac 27" and 27" LED which can support resolutions up to 2560x1440. "





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Re: Trying to bring a partition back to life

[Bill Connelly]

On Nov 10, 2010, at 12:00 AM, onelucent wrote:

Actually, in OS 9, I have had good luck with Disk Doctor.  It may  
take multiple runs, each time getting a little further.  I may skip  
Media Check so it concentrates on the Disk Directory.  Usually, the  
hardest thing is to capture the partition, so don't give up.  Often,  
Norton will capture (i.e. mount) a partition that Disk First Aid  
can't.  Yes, Disk Warrior is good, best run from the CD itself, if  
possible.  Lastly, for OS 9, you still have some mounting  
utilities.  Again, they often capture a partition that Disk First  
Aid can't in my experience.  Good luck.


If you use an OS 9 Utility on a disk partitioned and maintained by OS  
X, I believe it could easily mess things up badly for OS X.


Guru's advice needed ...

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Re: 27" Apple Cinema Display (Aluminum LED) and ATI Radeon 9800Pro Mac Edition?

[Bill Connelly]

On Nov 10, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On Nov 10, 2010, at 9:22 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:



On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


On Nov 9, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:

Is there an adapter that will achieve full resolution  
possibilities of the 27" Apple Cinema Display (Aluminum LED),  
while using an ATI Radeon 9800Pro Mac Edition?


Oh, the brand new one?

You need a DVI-Mini display port adapter like this:




or this  I think.




Yes ... close ... but its specs say:

Product Features and Technical Details
Product Features
	• Converts DVI to DisplayPort using the Mini-DisplayPort connector  
interface

• Supports video at 1920x1...@60 resolution
• True pixel-to-pixel signal conversion without scaling
• Built-in EDID support. Durable converter casing.
	• This version supports single-link DVI. Dual-Link is not supported  
at this time.

Technical Details
	• Connector Details: 1 x DVI Female Digital Video; 1 x DisplayPort  
Female


But:

My 9800 Pro is capable of

2048 x 1152   16 : 9
2048 x 1536   4 : 3

so the adapter falls short of what I currently can send.

The Apple Cinema Display is capable of "16:9 aspect ratio and an  
astonishing 2560-by-1440 resolution" ...


Another earlier G3-G5 thread says the ATI Radeon 9600 and greater were  
capable of something called DVI-DL (Dual-Link).


But where's an adapter for such? not yet?

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Dan]

At 11:48 AM -0400 11/2/2010, Dan wrote:

Clam and ClamXav were just recently updated...
And now Sophos is offering a free version of their anti-virus tool


At 10:32 AM -0700 11/3/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote:

Sophos was throwing false positives like mad on Java last month


False positives are something we're going to have to watch for, I'm 
afraid.  Signature errors happen now and then.  ...But I wonder 
sometimes if the commercial$ AV companies aren't getting so desperate 
for Mac sales that they would...


At 8:41 PM -0400 11/3/2010, Yersinia wrote:

Anyhoo, is virus scanning SUPPOSED to take this long?


As mentioned later in the thread, that long / whole disk scan can 
take a while.  After all, there are thousands to hundreds of 
thousands of files there.   Your whole drive vs /Users vs just your 
desktop, for example.  ClamAV's scanner is a bit on the slow side 
too.  The good news is that a whole-system scan should only be 
necessary in very very very rare rare cases.  Mostly you just want 
the AV software to watch your downloads / desktop folder.


At 8:36 PM -0700 11/3/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote:
Both programs insert themselves into the OS so that when files are 
read or written; they scan the file before the OS can do anything.


Just to clarify - this isn't a hack.  Mac OS X (Tiger and newer) has 
a real documented service (fseventer) available that lets these 
products cleanly hook into the access path.  They can then filter the 
events, so they only "trigger" on files of interest (those in your 
user account, for example).  IOW, this isn't something that's going 
to dramatically break every time Apple blinks at the OS.


At 7:52 PM + 11/8/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

was it not determined less than 2 months ago the no one had seen a Mac virus ?


Yea, we have discussed this before.  There are a few badly-written 
trojans but no real viruses in the wild.  But that's not the point 
here.  The point is to be *prepared* for issues with *reasonable* 
tools.  Hopefully by discussing this stuff we'll weed out the FUD. 
Try 'em out.  Then let 'em just sit there idly, for when you need 
'em.  IMO, it's better to have them available than to go into a panic 
and have to find, download, install, learn etc suddenly.


I'm still foolin around with this Sophos product, and the new 
ClamXav.  Both seem nice.  It will be interesting to see which is 
updated faster, as malware are released.


At 7:10 PM -0700 11/3/2010, Jonas Ulrich wrote:
Why would you buy antivirus for mac I've never heard of anyone 
getting a virus on a mac, and I never have before.


That would be exactly the point of us checking out the FREE options. 
My thinking is that the free ones are far less FUD prone...


FWIW,
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Re: 27" Apple Cinema Display (Aluminum LED) and ATI Radeon 9800Pro Mac Edition?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 10, 2010, at 9:22 AM, Bill Connelly wrote:

> 
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Nov 9, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:
>> 
>>> Is there an adapter that will achieve full resolution possibilities of the 
>>> 27" Apple Cinema Display (Aluminum LED), while using an ATI Radeon 9800Pro 
>>> Mac Edition?
>> 
>> I thought those were straight DVI, not ADC?
> 
> They are of a DVI variety. Something called mini DVI / Dual DVI.
> 
> Needs clarification for me ... adapter prone situation ...

Oh, the brand new one?

You need a DVI-Mini display port adapter like this:



or this 
 I 
think.


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Re: hijacking

[Dan]

At 8:53 AM -0800 11/10/2010, ah...clem wrote:

are you so STOOPID that


Enough.  Nannies, end this thread please.

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Re: hijacking

[Joshua Juran]

On Nov 10, 2010, at 8:53 AM, ah...clem wrote:


put yourself in the other person's shoes for one moment, instead of
being a petulant child.


Good advice.


are you so STOOPID that you can't figure out how to create a new
thread instead of HI-JACKING someone elses', or just too frickin'
LAZY?  maybe YOU should learn how to use an email client, and stop
whining like a spoiled brat when someone gives you a TINY dose of  
well-

deserved criticism.  if you don't like the comments from the
listmembers, you are welcome to unsubscribe.


Hmmm.


get over yourself, and quit being an inconsiderate ass...


Well put.  Although MichaelP is not whom I'd say this to.

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Re: hijacking

[Doug McNutt]

  Section 3.6.4


Note the In-Reply-To: header that contains the Message-ID: information from the 
message being replied to.

A recursive train of those headers gives mail software, especially lists, a way 
to make a collected display of threaded topics. Done that way there is no 
confusion when someone corrects a spelling error in a subject line or adds 
something like Re:, [G3-G5] or Antwort to a subject.

It's true that there are mail clients that don't follow the rules or have 
other, but unique to a particular software company, techniques.

This message will refer to:
Message-ID: 
when it is sent.

2. a. "To steal from as if by hijacking." seems to me to fit the description of 
the problem quite well.

It's probably better to accuse the poster who needs to learn the right way by 
referring to a hijacking than to call him a thief.

Better would be to call his attention to the rules as stated above. And, if his 
software doesn't do it for him, to propose a better client.  It would be 
interesting if all mail clients showed the In-Reply_To: headers that they are 
creating before they allow pushing the SEND button. But that would be much too 
confusing for the "average" user.  Sigh.

It would be possible for list software to enforce the rules by simply 
installing the old Subject: header from the message being replied to. At least 
it would cause the hijackers to complain and that would be a teaching 
opportunity. They would declare the list a hijacker for stealing their subject 
text.

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Re: hijacking

[ah...clem]

On Nov 10, 4:31 am, MichaelP  wrote:

> I'm sensitive to and I object strongly to use of the word hijack to refer
> to refer to posting an original request for friendly help and info from
> exoerts if the request is written in some un-obvious way to contain hidden
> reference to an existing thread -

i'm sensitive to and i strongly object to having threads hi-jacked
(see definition 1c of your post).

put yourself in the other person's shoes for one moment, instead of
being a petulant child.  if someone posts a question and then some
else uses that thread to change the subject, and also changes the
subject line of the original thread, then the original poster may lose
track of the replies to his/her thread, and all of the readers may
lose track of the original discussion.  what about THEIR right to ask
a question and get replies, and to follow a discussion without
interruption and unnecessary confusion?

are you so STOOPID that you can't figure out how to create a new
thread instead of HI-JACKING someone elses', or just too frickin'
LAZY?  maybe YOU should learn how to use an email client, and stop
whining like a spoiled brat when someone gives you a TINY dose of well-
deserved criticism.  if you don't like the comments from the
listmembers, you are welcome to unsubscribe.  get over yourself, and
quit being an inconsiderate ass, or go somewhere else for free advice.


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Re: 27" Apple Cinema Display (Aluminum LED) and ATI Radeon 9800Pro Mac Edition?

[Bill Connelly]

On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On Nov 9, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:

Is there an adapter that will achieve full resolution possibilities  
of the 27" Apple Cinema Display (Aluminum LED), while using an ATI  
Radeon 9800Pro Mac Edition?


I thought those were straight DVI, not ADC?


They are of a DVI variety. Something called mini DVI / Dual DVI.

Needs clarification for me ... adapter prone situation ...

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Re: Monitor clarification on G3, G4 computers

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 8, 2010, at 4:35 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote:

> We have just received about 20 G3's, but they were told the CRTs were 
> dangerous and hazardous and so had to be disposed of in the special trash. 
> 
> So we have no monitors.
> 
> As I understand it, the G4 uses the same as the windows and so monitors are 
> plentiful, but the G3 uses older Mac specific connectors. 
> 
> Is there a converter for old mac to new monitor and where and at what cost.

Beige G3's or B&W G3's? If they're beige, you need a bunch of these:

 This isn't necessarily the best price, just an 
illustration of the correct part.

B&W G3's use normal VGA connectors.

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Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 9, 2010, at 10:31 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:

> 
> Also Chuck,
>   He never stated it was coming from the monitor??? He said it was coming 
> from under the hood... Where and what is the hood here??? The only thing that 
> I thought he was talking about was the panel on the tower??? The only thing 
> that I know of that has a hood is a car... Oh yeah the ones from Europe call 
> it the Bonnet... This is why I thought it could have been the HD...


The main issue is less than you blamed the hard drive but that you did so from 
a position of utter ignorance of the system involved. You heard 'G3' and leapt 
to a conclusion based on your experience with a completely DIFFERENT system.

To continue the car analogy, it's like you jumping into a discussion of a VW 
Jetta TDI running raggedly, and stating that replacing the spark plugs and 
switching to premium gas would likely fix it.

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Re: 27" Apple Cinema Display (Aluminum LED) and ATI Radeon 9800Pro Mac Edition?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 9, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:

> Is there an adapter that will achieve full resolution possibilities of the 
> 27" Apple Cinema Display (Aluminum LED), while using an ATI Radeon 9800Pro 
> Mac Edition?

I thought those were straight DVI, not ADC?

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Re: ADC to DVI Adaptor

[Ted Treen]

Trickster wrote:

Hi Everyone,
Have a Powermac g5, running 10.5, 7 gigs of ram, 2x1B drives.  Is my
primary machine, and an upgrade just isnt in the cards at the
moment.   Want to add dual monitor support, but am looking for an ADC-
DVI adaptor at the moment.  Can anyone point me in the right
direction?

Thanks
Peter

   

Try the Belkin offering:-

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Re: Anti-virus for Mac

[Joshua Juran]

On Nov 3, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote:

Why would you buy antivirus for mac I've never heard of anyone  
getting a virus on a mac, and I never have before.


My last infection was 2002, when a client provided a CD-ROM of a ten  
year-old application which was infected, probably with an nVIR clone.   
Disinfectant took care of it.


I don't even bother to run Disinfectant anymore, since besides a few  
commercial apps, all I run (on Mac OS 9) is my own software.  :-)


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ADC to DVI Adaptor

[Trickster]

Hi Everyone,
Have a Powermac g5, running 10.5, 7 gigs of ram, 2x1B drives.  Is my
primary machine, and an upgrade just isnt in the cards at the
moment.   Want to add dual monitor support, but am looking for an ADC-
DVI adaptor at the moment.  Can anyone point me in the right
direction?

Thanks
Peter

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Re: Trying to bring a partition back to life

[Joshua Juran]

On Nov 9, 2010, at 6:29 PM, MaGioZal wrote:


I am currently running Mac OS 9 and 10.4 on a Beige G3 PowerMac, and
recently the biggest, non-booting partition which contained alot of
softwares and data (from which I didn't make backup...:-/) just died
down after some forced shutdowns. I've tried 3 different tools of disk
recovery, but I've got no results, as can be seen on the gallery:




(the captions are in that strange language called Portuguese, but the
screenshots are in English. ;-))

Well, the big quetion is: qaht can I do now to rescue this partition?
Is there any free alternative or just DiskWarrior can help?


How much is your data worth?  If it's worth nothing, just cut your  
losses.  If it's worth the cost of DiskWarrior, get it.  DiskWarrior  
is an excellent repair utility, but recovery is safer than repair --  
there's no good reason not to reinitialize the partition and restore  
from backup.


This is assuming that your drive isn't dying -- if that's the case,  
back up your valuables NOW, and don't trust the drive again.


Finally, if your files are worth paying thousands of dollars to  
recover, I recommend DriveSavers.


Josh


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Re: hijacking

[Joshua Juran]

On Nov 10, 2010, at 1:31 AM, MichaelP wrote:



"Yes, it's hijacked. He hijacked "PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/ 
popping'" thread.

"

I'm sensitive to and I object strongly to use of the word hijack to  
refer to refer to posting an original request for friendly help and  
info from exoerts if the request is written in some un-obvious way  
to contain hidden reference to an existing thread -


The word hijack was only used because you posted an original request  
for help using the Reply feature of your mail client instead of  
composing a New message.  Your mail client sets headers indicating to  
Tina's mail client that your message is part of the same thread (even  
though the Subject has changed).


For an example of why this is problematic, suppose I look at my new G- 
list messages.  I decide that, say, 'Initializing hard drive' doesn't  
look interesting to me, so I click, hit Command-Shift-K (to select the  
thread), and Delete.  Now I've just deleted that thread *and* the  
original one, and I might not even be aware of it.


Asking for help id not stealing, it is not swindling and it does not  
involve extortion.


You're correct; it's none of those things.

If what I do to post my request causes problems it's the auto- 
response system which needs modifying.


This has nothing to do with auto-responders, just regular mail user  
agents.



I've been using and owning info listserves for almost 20 years
and never have I learned that "hijacking is bad netiquette, and
highly frowned upon" or that "Whenever you're starting a new  
Subject, you
need to start with a "New Mail" and not a "Reply" or "Forward" or  
heaven's

forbid a "Reply All""


Well, now you know.

	Indeed, while I'm aware of the existence of headers this is the  
first listerve in which I'm told that old subjects are kept in  
invariant form.


To the contrary, you are free (and encouraged) to change the Subject  
field as the conversation morphs over time -- provided it's the same  
conversation.  If you're starting a new conversation, you should start  
a new thread.


If that's the way the owner sets up a lkistserve, so be it, But  
please choos a less rude word to describe

the process.


Personally, I decline your request in general -- though I'll probably  
make a point not to use the term in reference to you.


I appreciate the willingness of subscribers to share  knowledge, But  
when I ask for help , to be told that my request is tantamount to  
stealing or extortion is just too much


Nobody is accusing you of criminal behavior -- merely a breach of  
netiquette.  And the word we use for this particular faux pas is  
'hijacking'.


Just remember that it's not personal.

Josh


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Re: hijacking

[Tim Gochnour]

On Nov 10, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Dan wrote:


At 1:31 AM -0800 11/10/2010, MichaelP wrote:
[quoting repaired]
Yes, it's hijacked. He hijacked "PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/ 
popping'" thread.


I'm sensitive to and I object strongly to use of the word hijack  
to refer to refer to posting an original request for friendly help  
and info from exoerts if the request is written in some un-obvious  
way to contain hidden reference to an existing thread


A thread is said to be hijacked when someone posts into it a  
message that is totally unrelated to the thread, expecting to get  
some response.  Doesn't matter how you feel about that term -  
that's simply what it's called.  This is different than thread  
forking or drift in that those are usually at least somewhat  
related to the original topic.


The problem is that Google threads by *reference*, not by  
*subject*. To create a new thread, you must create a whole new  
post.  You cannot simply change the subject field -- which is what  
you did.


- Dan.


Thank you, Dan.  You are ABSOLUTELY correct   as quite often.  :)

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Re: hijacking

[Dan]

At 1:31 AM -0800 11/10/2010, MichaelP wrote:
[quoting repaired]

Yes, it's hijacked. He hijacked "PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'" thread.


I'm sensitive to and I object strongly to use of the word hijack to 
refer to refer to posting an original request for friendly help and 
info from exoerts if the request is written in some un-obvious way 
to contain hidden reference to an existing thread


A thread is said to be hijacked when someone posts into it a message 
that is totally unrelated to the thread, expecting to get some 
response.  Doesn't matter how you feel about that term - that's 
simply what it's called.  This is different than thread forking or 
drift in that those are usually at least somewhat related to the 
original topic.


The problem is that Google threads by *reference*, not by *subject*. 
To create a new thread, you must create a whole new post.  You cannot 
simply change the subject field -- which is what you did.


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Re: initializing Hard drive

[Dan]

At 2:55 PM -0800 11/9/2010, MichaelP wrote:
Thanks Kris/ Bruce but I don't make sense of your response - Perhaps 
I didn't explain clearly.


You explained it clearly.

The problem is your settings in CCC.  CCC can create *two* types of 
backups.  The first is an exact bootable clone of the source.  The 
second is a sparse disk image - a type of DMG file, a virtual disk. 
It is the second type that you created.  That's not what you want.


In CCC...  Select your source volume.  Verify that everything in the 
source volume is selected.  Then select your destination volume as a 
disk, NOT an image.  Check the "delete" box, so that your destination 
will end up being an exact copy of the source.


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Re: 27" Apple Cinema Display (Aluminum LED) and ATI Radeon 9800Pro Mac Edition?

[MarkyB]

On Nov 9, 10:36 pm, Bill Connelly  wrote:
> Is there an adapter that will achieve full resolution possibilities of  
> the 27" Apple Cinema Display (Aluminum LED), while using an ATI Radeon  
> 9800Pro Mac Edition?

There is an adapter Apple put out a few years back but is no longer
produced. It runs from 80-100$ and can be found on ebay or something
similar. I have one for my 21" cinema display and I use it with my
winblows computer with no problem. These monitors are great!

Mark

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Re: hijacking

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:31 AM, MichaelP  wrote:

>
> "Yes, it's hijacked. He hijacked "PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'"
> thread.
> "
>
> I'm sensitive to and I object strongly to use of the word hijack to refer
> to refer to posting an original request for friendly help and info from
> exoerts if the request is written in some un-obvious way to contain hidden
> reference to an existing thread -
>
>
> highjack
>
> 1.
> a. To stop and rob (a vehicle in transit).
> b. To steal (goods) from a vehicle in transit.
> c. To seize control of (a moving vehicle) by use of force, especially in
> order to reach an alternate destination.
> 2.
> a. To steal from as if by hijacking.
> b. To swindle or subject to extortion
>
>
> Asking for help id not stealing, it is not swindling and it does not
> involve extortion.  If what I do to post my request causes problems it's the
> auto-response system which needs modifying.
>
>  I've been using and owning info listserves for almost 20 years
> and never have I learned that "hijacking is bad netiquette, and
> highly frowned upon" or that "Whenever you're starting a new Subject, you
> need to start with a "New Mail" and not a "Reply" or "Forward" or heaven's
> forbid a "Reply All""
>Indeed, while I'm aware of the existence of headers this is the
> first listerve in which I'm told that old subjects are kept in invariant
> form. If that's the way the owner sets up a lkistserve, so be it, But please
> choos a less rude word to describe
> the process.
>
> I appreciate the willingness of subscribers to share  knowledge, But when I
> ask for help , to be told that my request is tantamount to stealing or
> extortion is just too much
>



You are obviously a bit upset. But this post does not make the situation
very clear.

As a more constructive use of your time how about just restating your
problem and use a different title? That should get you the help you need.







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hijacking

[MichaelP]

"Yes, it's hijacked. He hijacked "PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'" 
thread.

"

I'm sensitive to and I object strongly to use of the word hijack to refer 
to refer to posting an original request for friendly help and info from 
exoerts if the request is written in some un-obvious way to contain hidden 
reference to an existing thread -



highjack

1.
a. To stop and rob (a vehicle in transit).
b. To steal (goods) from a vehicle in transit.
c. To seize control of (a moving vehicle) by use of force, especially in 
order to reach an alternate destination.

2.
a. To steal from as if by hijacking.
b. To swindle or subject to extortion


Asking for help id not stealing, it is not swindling and it does not 
involve extortion.  If what I do to post my request causes problems it's 
the auto-response system which needs modifying.


 I've been using and owning info listserves for almost 20 years
and never have I learned that "hijacking is bad netiquette, and
highly frowned upon" or that "Whenever you're starting a new Subject, you
need to start with a "New Mail" and not a "Reply" or "Forward" or heaven's
forbid a "Reply All""
	Indeed, while I'm aware of the existence of headers this is the 
first listerve in which I'm told that old subjects are kept in 
invariant form. If that's the way the owner sets up a lkistserve, so be 
it, But please choos a less rude word to describe

the process.

I appreciate the willingness of subscribers to share  knowledge, But when 
I ask for help , to be told that my request is tantamount to stealing or 
extortion is just too much


Michael

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