OK my last nerve just snapped
How did the skippity icon get smuggled into my address bar [and how do I get rid of such things in the future?? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 issues
You'll never know,unless you try!!! Chuck On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:22 PM, Tina K. wrote: On 2012/02/05 12:58, Kris Tilford so eloquently wrote: I don't know? On LEM-Swap there are three power supplies available right now for only $30 each, buy one NOW before they're gone!!!: http://groups.google.com/group/lemswap/browse_thread/thread/c733ebfe5d50ddae?hl=en Wow, it's magic. If I ask about an A1138 logic board will three of them magically show up on the swap list too? Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: daisy-chaining back up drive?
On Oct 9, 2011, at 11:59 AM, t...@nehaia.dk wrote: well, what other ways to use the same back up drive for two puters exists then? tia /tina How about the obvious Network the two computers and make the attached drive a 'network resource? Chuck D. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: TenFourFox
Problem!! System MDD Dual 11.25 G4, 2GB DDR SDRAM Entry of about config in address bar results in Google search for 'about config'. What have I missed?? Chuck D. On Oct 1, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Peter wrote: Thank you foe the tip, Larry. I didn't know it was possible to enable them. On Oct 1, 2011 4:03 PM, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: Yes, you have to enable plugins. I just learned how: Open TenFourFox and in the address bar type about config Scroll down to TenFourFox PlugIns and double click. This changes the default behavior of TenFourFox, which, (as a fellow Lister, Peter, just pointed out) is set to DISABLE. After making this simple adjustment, TenFourFox is behaving itself and displaying Flash media. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Format problem
Dual 2GHz Power PC --- 2GB DDR SDRAM Have a 500GB Newer Tech External HD that HAS been in use as a FAT formatted HD. Need to re-format to use Apple Partition Map HOW, every conceivable way that I can imagine using 'Disk Utility' will NOT eliminate the FAT partition map. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Reinstalling OS 10 on a Beige G3
On Jun 25, 2011, at 10:14 AM, skyking...@verizon.net wrote: When I try to boot back into OS 9 (which is on my other drive) after the OS X installation hangs up following the first disc, it hangs at the happy Mac icon. The only way for me to get back to OS 9 is to boot from the OS 9 CD or a Norton Utilities CD. Try a PRAM Reset between OS's --- Thats helped for me. Chuck D. XPF options are set as you indicate. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help restoring contents of drive to newer computer
Ok what should work. Get the 'firewire' full backups working as being 'bootable'. It's then quite simple. Hook up the firewire cable between the 1TB drive and the new (to you) 15 PB. have the 1TB drive powered up. Power on the new PB while holding the 'Option Key'. The 'old, backed up system from your present Ti-Book (on the 1TB drive, will show up as one of the boot choices. Select it. When the 15 PB boots, then use CCC/ SuperDuper that system (your old Ti-Book system) TO the HD in the New 15PB. DONE The old Ti-Book system/Data/Garbage/deleted Files/EVERYTHING will now exist on your NEW 15PB Have FUN!!! Chuck D. On Jun 22, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Dan A wrote: Hi all, I need some help to clarify the best procedure to use to restore the contents of an internal drive to a new place. My old G4 15” 800 MHz Ti-Book I want to restore the entire backed up contents to a “new” 15” 1.64 GHz PB which will have a clean install of 10.4 in it from the seller, which I’ll upgrade to 10.5 after the restoration. Here is the situation that I’m working with: I have been doing daily backups of the 800MHz using SuperDuper to an external 1TB firewire drive. Even though SuperDuper has been finishing each backup making the TB drive bootable, it actually isn’t. -- dan_A http://web.me.com/danauerbach -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem UPDATE (3)
On Jun 20, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Progress Safari 5.0.5 - 73.6 % downloaded, Security Update 2011-002 - 20.7 % downloaded. - 100 %- 28.08% Did a CCC backup of the present full system before install attempt for Safari And time goes on!!! and on and on !! Chuck D. Chuck D. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem UPDATE (4)
On Jun 20, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Progress Security Update 2011-002 - 45.49 % downloaded. Safari 5.0.5 installed without problem Underwhelmed with Safari 5.0.5 Firefox TenFourFoxG5 seem more useful. JMO Chuck D. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem
On Jun 20, 2011, at 12:54 AM, Sean Carroll wrote: Yeah, I remember software updates on dial-up. No fun. They were apt to turn into overnighters, and if something happened to break the connection, well... I would recommend trying again through Software Update, piece by piece this time. I did start down that road, and decided to just move on to downloading the individual 'update' packages --- and then on to using 'Download Manager' I mean, I *would,* but for the following questions 1. What's your previous history with Software Update in Leopard? Has it run before without incident? Was that a long time ago or recently? Haven't had unusual problems [Usual 'slow connection' problems, common.] 2. What's the Leopard installation/update history on your machine? That gets interesting --- I have the Leopard 10.5.8 installed on a 'Firewire' HD, and use the SAME system/installation with: Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5, Dual 1.25 GHz PowerPC G4 (MDD), iBook G4. No problems once the connection criteria are set. Update history --- everything available till this offering --- [Except for NOT updating unused features, I.E. iTunes, etc.] 3. Have you ever run the program Monolingual in Leopard, or indeed, in a previous OS X that Leopard was installed over? That would be a yes. 4. If you go to Apple MenuAbout This Mac, is the information (including build and serial number) correct? Haven't ever had reason to question this. 5. What is your current version of Safari? 5.0.2 6. If you go to System PreferencesSoftware UpdateInstalled Updates, do you see anything that indicates that the updates that failed were already installed earlier? (Wondering if there's something going on with Software Update itself.) Nope, was more interested in ID information so I could locate the correct items in Apple's archives. 7. Any other problems with downloads or installations recently? No This is just stuff I'd be asking myself if it was my interesting problem. I'm not to be confused with an expert. JMO, but I'll take an interested 'User' over a jaded 'Guru' anytime. Chuck D. Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com Power Mac G4 AGP Sawtooth 1.6 GHz, 2 GB RAM, SATA 750 GB hard drive, Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.8 and Tiger 10.4.11, Gigabit Ethernet M-Audio Revolution 7.1 PCI cards, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB AGP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem UPDATE (2)
Progress Safari 5.0.5 - 73.6 % downloaded, Security Update 2011-002 - 20.7 % downloaded. And time goes on!!! Chuck D. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Interesting Problem
System: Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5, 2GB DDR SDRAM, Leopard OS 10.5.8 The genesis of the problem. Software Update pops up and tells me there are 'updates' available, Sooo, I look to see what it's proposing. Safari 5.0.5, Java for OSX Update 9, Security Update 2011-002, something for iTunes. I don't do iTunes, so that one is a pass, I check the others, and tell the system, 'Have at it'. Many hours later [I'm on Dialup. ;-)] I kill the 'update, it wasn't successful, and start looking fo rhe pieces to download separately. Safari, located and successfully downloaded. Attempt to DO the update, message says it won't run on this machine. JAVA, can't locate in Apple's download archives. Security Update --- what was located is 'Security Update 2011-002 client' [presently being downloaded, but it says 'client' --- SHOULD I chance installing?] Concerns This was Apple's Software Update's recommendation, but Safari 5.0.5 turned out to be for INTEL [UGH!!!], nothing locatable for the JAVA item,, The Security Update isn't for a 'plain ole ordinary' desktop. Comments ??? Chuck Davis -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem
On Jun 19, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Jun 19, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Charles Davis wrote: System: Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5, 2GB DDR SDRAM, Leopard OS 10.5.8 The genesis of the problem. Software Update pops up and tells me there are 'updates' available, Sooo, I look to see what it's proposing. Safari 5.0.5, Java for OSX Update 9, Security Update 2011-002, something for iTunes. Concerns This was Apple's Software Update's recommendation, but Safari 5.0.5 turned out to be for INTEL [UGH!!!], Not true, my iMac G5 has been running Safari Version 5.0.5 (Build 5533.21.1) under OS 10.5.8 without any problems. I could be wrong about the 5..0.5 being Intel only, but the message was that it wouldn't run on my hardware. Chuck D. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Problem UPDATE
On Jun 19, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Charles Davis wrote: System: Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5, 2GB DDR SDRAM, Leopard OS 10.5.8 The genesis of the problem. Software Update pops up and tells me there are 'updates' available, Sooo, I look to see what it's proposing. Safari 5.0.5, Java for OSX Update 9, Security Update 2011-002, something for iTunes. I don't do iTunes, so that one is a pass, I check the others, and tell the system, 'Have at it'. Many hours later [I'm on Dialup. ;-)] I kill the 'update, it wasn't successful, and start looking fo rhe pieces to download separately. Safari, located and successfully downloaded. Attempt to DO the update, message says it won't run on this machine. JAVA, can't locate in Apple's download archives. Security Update --- what was located is 'Security Update 2011-002 client' [presently being downloaded, but it says 'client' --- SHOULD I chance installing?] Concerns This was Apple's Software Update's recommendation, but Safari 5.0.5 turned out to be for INTEL [UGH!!!], nothing locatable for the JAVA item,, The Security Update isn't for a 'plain ole ordinary' desktop. Comments ??? Chuck Davis -- O.K. I goofed on stating the problem [figured out when I was trying to recreate what I'd said happened.] Safari 5.0.5what I could find was labeled Snow Leopard I just now, found a DL link for a 'Leopard' version [DL under way, using 'Download Manager' --- (Resume interrupted dl's possible)]. Still concerned about the 'security update' being for a 'client' [of Server/ Client], as opposed to a 'desktop' . Chuck D. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple --AHT images?
On Jun 14, 2011, at 12:24 PM, john hios wrote: Dan wrote: At 2:53 PM -0400 6/13/2011, Charles Davis wrote: I find myself in need of an AHT image for a Dual 2Ghz G5 tower Haven't been able to locate in Apple's Support area. Anyone have any pointers? That's not one of the ones Apple has made available for download... Um contact Apple; perhaps they still have some of the replacement media in stock. If you google around, there are probably sites selling 'em. Or post a WTB on LEM Swap... - Dan. Hello Just went through g5 crisis, And have collected some info [pdf webs ..etc ..] there is no support for PPC any more...??? what do you need ?? maybe I have something? joho I'm in need of ASD 2.5.8 [Apple Service Diagnostic (Dual Boot) 2.5.8] That will allow me to eliminate HARDWARE as the source of random annoyances. A download link would do the trick --- I'm using a MDD at the moment, just would like to have the speed and capacity of the Dual G5 available. Chuck -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Apple --AHT images?
I find myself in need of an AHT image for a Dual 2Ghz G5 tower Haven't been able to locate in Apple's Support area. Anyone have any pointers? Chuck Davis -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: spills wireless keyboard
If it's a wireless keyboard --- be sure to remove the internal batteries BRFORE the 'dishwasher' treatment!!;-) Chuck On Mar 8, 2011, at 5:44 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:57 PM, michaelangelo smit1...@gmail.com wrote: The answer to this question may be obvious to some but it's a mystery to me: I use a wireless keyboard and mouse. If I accidentially dump my coffee on the keyboad is there the same liklihood of shorting out or otherwise damaging the computer as there is with a wired keyboard or is this actually a good way to prevent damage beyond the yeyboard or mouse? Great curiosity. Just lack of function to the KB, Some people recommend putting it through the dishwasher. Yes it is true. Then drying it. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [Manager Comment] Re: Posting Problem
On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 23, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Fabian Fang wrote: Until Lion is released in the coming months, Leopard and Snow Leopard are the current and latest Mac OS. It makes good sense for members of the G-Group to join our Leopard Group to seek or provide assistance. Sorry to continue the meta-discussion, but I'd really like to add my 2 cents. No it does not. Looking at the posting rates and subscriber numbers of all these myriad LEM lists, it's very clear that almost all of the actual action is in just a handful of lists. Continual splitting of groups into finer and finer-grained buckets merely serves to dilute possible support and makes it very hard to find answers; I cannot count how many times I've seen someone ask a question on one list that was JUST ANSWERED, in great and satisfactory detail, on another list. A, the calming voice of reason! I happen to agree wholeheartedly. Chuck Davis -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
On Dec 28, 2010, at 10:42 AM, TRGPN WebMaster wrote: --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Joshua Juran jju...@gmail.com wrote: Bottom line: If you want to run a supported OS and OS 9 (reliably), you need two machines. Not so. In its simplest terms, you need a separate volume for each OS you want to run on your computer. Use the system preference Startup Disk to select the system you want to run. Not quite so simple (although I thought it should be) I have found that after running a Leopard system, trying to load a Tiger system [Via Option key during boot phase/ select Tiger partition] results in Kernal Panic The solution, be sure and do a PRAM Reset between system loads. That works for me. Chuck Davis MDD Dual 1.25 G4 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Printing problems
Fair enough request answers interspersed! On Dec 24, 2010, at 2:46 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: Maybe a little more information on your printing setup? Is the printer (model?) directly connected via USB or on a network? Samsung CLP 310 --- directly connected, USB no network. Been working fine for months. Is the printer shown correctly in System PreferencesPrint Fax? Yes If you go to http://localhost:631 do you see the Common UNIX Printing System 1.3.11 page? Yes You might try a Safe Boot by holding the Shift key at startup, this will trash all the System caches and rebuild them which may solve your problem relatively easily? Tried already --- no effect. Also --- downloaded and installed Security update 2010-007 Combo update 10.5.8 re-installed Console messages mentioned 'atMonitor' problems? -- so killed 'atMonitor' --- no effect. Mentioned a problem with users/cad/library/LaunchAgents/Printers Went looking --- file had 3 printers listed, all variations on CLP310. tried removing various combinations -- no effect. Chuck -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Printing problems
I believe I may have located the problem!! Looked at the printer --- it's a 315, NOT a 310 (was a replacement from Samsung for a 310) Downloading the correct driver package as I write this. Installation will tell. Results later. Chuck On Dec 24, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Fair enough request answers interspersed! On Dec 24, 2010, at 2:46 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: Maybe a little more information on your printing setup? Is the printer (model?) directly connected via USB or on a network? Samsung CLP 310 --- directly connected, USB no network. Been working fine for months. Is the printer shown correctly in System PreferencesPrint Fax? Yes If you go to http://localhost:631 do you see the Common UNIX Printing System 1.3.11 page? Yes You might try a Safe Boot by holding the Shift key at startup, this will trash all the System caches and rebuild them which may solve your problem relatively easily? Tried already --- no effect. Also --- downloaded and installed Security update 2010-007 Combo update 10.5.8 re-installed Console messages mentioned 'atMonitor' problems? -- so killed 'atMonitor' --- no effect. Mentioned a problem with users/cad/library/LaunchAgents/Printers Went looking --- file had 3 printers listed, all variations on CLP310. tried removing various combinations -- no effect. Chuck -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Printing problems
Well, hopes dashed! The 315 uses the 310 drivers. download and install of current files did NOT show any improvement. Chuck On Dec 24, 2010, at 6:44 PM, Charles Davis wrote: I believe I may have located the problem!! Looked at the printer --- it's a 315, NOT a 310 (was a replacement from Samsung for a 310) Downloading the correct driver package as I write this. Installation will tell. Results later. Chuck -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Printing problems
System Leopard 10.5.8, all security updates on MDD 1.25G G4, 2GB Anything that tries to print using system print routines bombs out. Printing from within 'Mail' does work. When I say anything that uses 'system' print, I mean 'Apple/P', Text Edit, Text Wrangler, etc. Reapplied combo update 10.5.8 --- no joy! Console messages mention Any ideas? Chuck Davis -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Printing problems
On Dec 23, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Dec 23, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Console messages mention Mention what? My BAD!!! That was to be deleted --- Console mentioned something about wanting 12/23/10 7:05:05 PM SystemUIServer[291] MenuCracker see http://sourceforge.net/projects/menucracker MenuCracker is now loaded. Ready to accept new menus. Ignore the failure message that follow. 12/23/10 7:05:05 PM SystemUIServer[291] failed to load Menu Extra: NSBundle /Library/PreferencePanes/MenuMeters.prefPane/Contents/ Resources/MenuCracker.menu (loaded) 12/23/10 7:05:10 PM Internet Connect[362] Unexpected setting for data key AuthPassword: E805B349-2992-4180-BC63-32FE81AD47C4 12/23/10 7:05:10 PM Internet Connect[362] Unexpected setting for data key AuthPassword: 5AAADB75-1F30-4195-BB5D-A9DE9D605F3D 12/23/10 7:05:10 PM Internet Connect[362] Unexpected setting for data key AuthPassword: 192A1C41-9D8E-4941-9001-A00E2FF82860 12/23/10 7:05:10 PM Internet Connect[362] Unexpected setting for data key AuthPassword: 1C649EA0-7ABC-48EA-BF9C-A87727D04231 12/23/10 7:05:10 PM Internet Connect[362] device created for en0 / Ethernet 12/23/10 7:05:10 PM Internet Connect[362] Unexpected setting for data key AuthPassword: E805B349-2992-4180-BC63-32FE81AD47C4 12/23/10 7:05:10 PM Internet Connect[362] Unexpected setting for data key AuthPassword: 5AAADB75-1F30-4195-BB5D-A9DE9D605F3D 12/23/10 7:05:10 PM Internet Connect[362] Unexpected setting for data key AuthPassword: 192A1C41-9D8E-4941-9001-A00E2FF82860 12/23/10 7:05:10 PM Internet Connect[362] Unexpected setting for data key AuthPassword: 1C649EA0-7ABC-48EA-BF9C-A87727D04231 12/23/10 7:05:10 PM Internet Connect[362] device created for en0 / Ethernet 12/23/10 7:05:42 PM com.apple.launchd[244] ([0x0-0x14014].com.apple.TextEdit[374]) Exited abnormally: Bus error Chuck -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: how do i stop these emails?
Header ? WHAT HEADER??? I don't think that I've turned off anything in the header department, and the only thing 'headers' controls is the normal 'E-Mail' information. Chuck D. [Footer normally deleted --- left on to show what I'm normally seeing. I.E. the For more options line. This being a 'google.groups' thing is suspect as a 'sometimes works' thing.] On Nov 30, 2010, at 12:09 AM, Dan wrote: At 11:21 PM -0500 11/29/2010, Chance Reecher wrote: List-Unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/subscribe?hl=en_US , mailto:g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Tina, I think it used to be, but the Unsubscribe link is no longer in the signature. You're kidding, right? The header that is provided in EVERY message to the list, just above the message body, that begins LIST- UNSUBSCRIBE isn't big enough? It provides TWO different ways to unsubscribe -- a web url and an email url! What more could you possibly need? - Dan. - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: how do i stop these emails?
Hi Dan; You must have some different settings, possibly at your 'google' profile. That is why I left the 'footers' included in my reply. The 7, I THINK (dangerous,I know) I have seen at some time, but never as a regular thing. Chuck D. On Nov 30, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Dan wrote: At 5:08 AM -0500 11/30/2010, Charles Davis wrote: Header ? WHAT HEADER??? I don't think that I've turned off anything in the header department, and the only thing 'headers' controls is the normal 'E- Mail' information. *shrug* EVERY email sent by Google Groups contains these seven List- headers: Mailing-list: list g3-5-list@googlegroups.com; contact g3-5-list+own...@googlegroups.com List-ID: g3-5-list.googlegroups.com List-Post: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/post? hl=en_US, mailto:g3-5-list@googlegroups.com List-Help: http://groups.google.com/support/?hl=en_US, mailto:g3-5-list+h...@googlegroups.com List-Archive: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en_US List-Subscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/subscribe?hl=en_US , mailto:g3-5-list+subscr...@googlegroups.com List-Unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/subscribe?hl=en_US , mailto:g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: how do i stop these emails?
Ahh!, problem located. I went to View / Message/ selected Long Headers, and there they are (along with MUCH rarely needed routing information). Since I leave that set for short headers normally, those lines aren't seen. Chuck D. On Nov 30, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Charles Davis wrote: Hi Dan; You must have some different settings, possibly at your 'google' profile. That is why I left the 'footers' included in my reply. The 7, I THINK (dangerous,I know) I have seen at some time, but never as a regular thing. Chuck D. On Nov 30, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Dan wrote: At 5:08 AM -0500 11/30/2010, Charles Davis wrote: Header ? WHAT HEADER??? I don't think that I've turned off anything in the header department, and the only thing 'headers' controls is the normal 'E- Mail' information. *shrug* EVERY email sent by Google Groups contains these seven List- headers: Mailing-list: list g3-5-list@googlegroups.com; contact g3-5-list+own...@googlegroups.com List-ID: g3-5-list.googlegroups.com List-Post: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/post? hl=en_US, mailto:g3-5-list@googlegroups.com List-Help: http://groups.google.com/support/?hl=en_US, mailto:g3-5-list+h...@googlegroups.com List-Archive: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en_US List-Subscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/subscribe?hl=en_US , mailto:g3-5-list+subscr...@googlegroups.com List-Unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/subscribe?hl=en_US , mailto:g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Time Zone setting ???
Yeah!! Wracking the brain to remember the keystrokes --- it's been a while since I needed to try that. [Apple-Option-P- R hold for three or more chimes!!] OR [Ctrl-Option-P-R hold fore multiple chimed] One of those will do the trick, and I ca remember it for a few months!! ;-) Chuck D. On Nov 16, 2010, at 5:45 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Nov 15, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Charles Davis wrote: That does NOT sound that far from possible. Although the battery isn't more than a couple of years old at the worst. I'll try that. Thanks. Chuck On Nov 16, 2010, at 5:33 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Nov 15, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Leopard X.5.8 --- MDD dual 1.25 GHz PowerPC G4 2GB RAM System Preference/ System/ Date Time can set everything, The PROBLEM, the Time Zone jumps back to GMT, even when things are 'Locked to prevent changes' [The 'on screen' clock is correct, but the 'Time Zone' doesn't stay set. Any ideas? Chuck D . time to change that PRAM battery. just my guess... Jeff Also, you might want to do a PRAM reset too (ya, you probably thought of that already:-) Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Time Zone setting ???
Leopard X.5.8 --- MDD dual 1.25 GHz PowerPC G4 2GB RAM System Preference/ System/ Date Time can set everything, The PROBLEM, the Time Zone jumps back to GMT, even when things are 'Locked to prevent changes' [The 'on screen' clock is correct, but the 'Time Zone' doesn't stay set. Any ideas? Chuck D . -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Time Zone setting ???
That does NOT sound that far from possible. Although the battery isn't more than a couple of years old at the worst. I'll try that. Thanks. Chuck On Nov 16, 2010, at 5:33 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Nov 15, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Leopard X.5.8 --- MDD dual 1.25 GHz PowerPC G4 2GB RAM System Preference/ System/ Date Time can set everything, The PROBLEM, the Time Zone jumps back to GMT, even when things are 'Locked to prevent changes' [The 'on screen' clock is correct, but the 'Time Zone' doesn't stay set. Any ideas? Chuck D . time to change that PRAM battery. just my guess... Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Annoyance #23
I did get a USB external FAX modem while trying to troubleshoot 'non- operation' of the internal. When plugged in, it works. but these bits of info. are WITHOUT an external attached to the system. The internal Apple Modem is a USB device, on the internal USB Buss. [It's just permanently mounted inside the tower. Chuck D. On Oct 1, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Tim Gochnour wrote: On Sep 30, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Charles Davis wrote: G5 tower Dual 2Ghz, 2Gb RAM, System Profiler provides this information: and from USB string:Picture 3.pngPicture 2.png The problem, there is only ONE internal modem physically there. Naturally, I would prefer the V.92 one to be what is there, but where/what is the other info coming from? Chuck D.-- Check ur USB ports. Altho it says it's 'internal' it calls it a USB v.90 Tim -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Annoyance #23
Hi Josh: Your right, because there IS only one device. The question is WHY the different identifications, and where is the 'spurious' information coming from. I.I they ARE two views of the same device, Why are the listings different? And, what does it mean? and Why isn't there peace in the Middle East?, the World? Chuck D. On Sep 30, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Joshua Juran wrote: On Sep 30, 2010, at 8:05 AM, Charles Davis wrote: G5 tower Dual 2Ghz, 2Gb RAM, System Profiler provides this information: and from USB string: The problem, there is only ONE internal modem physically there. Naturally, I would prefer the V.92 one to be what is there, but where/what is the other info coming from? The listings look suspiciously like two views of the same device. Notice how no field exists in both records. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Always weird problems!!!
Sounds reasonable!!! But --- my impression was that the 'Dashboard' Widgets were 'useful little utilities, that were invoked by 'clicking on their Icon ON DASHBOARD. [But maybe thats too logical a way of looking at it.] Chuck D. On Sep 26, 2010, at 12:12 AM, Matt Rhinesmith wrote: If you turn off all activators for dashboard and remove it from your dock, it stops running at boot. Matt Rhinesmith Sent from my Power Mac G4 Yeah, yeah, it's not here yet... I WILL eventually have a sig for this computer. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Always weird problems!!!
On Sep 25, 2010, at 10:20 AM, Dan wrote: Well, what you are saying makes sense. I understand the words, and I think the thought. BUT, since installation of the OS, NONE of the Dashboard Widgets have even so much as been looked at!! Chuck D. At 7:50 AM -0400 9/24/2010, Charles Davis wrote: Ahhh Then the next question --- How to 'disable' Dashboard? Notice what I said: Unless you have explicitly disabled Dashboard, with a tool such as OnyX Perhaps the idea there would be to run ONYX and click the box that says to disable Dashboard. OnyX has been discussed many many times in these LEM lists... At 3:59 PM -0400 9/24/2010, Charles Davis wrote: But I still wonder just what was trying to run? *Every* widget you had enabled in Dashboard was running. That's how Dashboard works - it runs everything that has been enabled. All the time. If the widgets are good, they sit idle, simply sucking up memory but not cpu. If they're evil, they poll for data or input, sucking up both memory and cpu. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Always weird problems!!!
I HATE things like that, where the 'System' (OS/ software program/ whatever) in its 'omnipotent Wisdom' decides what is going to be done!!! Chuck D. On Sep 25, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Sep 25, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Well, what you are saying makes sense. I understand the words, and I think the thought. BUT, since installation of the OS, NONE of the Dashboard Widgets have even so much as been looked at!! But it doesn't matter, I think four are enabled by default without doing anything. This is so the Dashboard field isn't empty when you open it the first time. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Always weird problems!!!
Ahhh Then the next question --- How to 'disable' Dashboard? Chuck D. On Sep 24, 2010, at 2:09 AM, Dan wrote: At 11:56 PM -0400 9/23/2010, Charles Davis wrote: I'll look into that, but as far as I know, there haven't been any 'widgets' started. Never use them, in fact 'Dashboard' is not in the 'DOCK. Being in the dock means nothing. That's just the dock displaying an alias for the item. Unless you have explicitly disabled Dashboard, with a tool such as OnyX, Dashboard is running - sucking up cpu and oddles memory. The widgets are javascript applets. Each one that is enabled is run as its own process... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Always weird problems!!!
O.K. So I'm properly chastised for not Googling the question! I found I had a Disable Tiger Features App., which did the trick. Problem solved. But I still wonder just what was trying to run? Chuck D. On Sep 24, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Sep 24, 2010, at 6:50 AM, Charles Davis wrote: How to 'disable' Dashboard? http://tinyurl.com/34295bv -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Always weird problems!!!
G5 Dual 2Ghz, 2gbRam, Leopard 10.5.8 This time, I find multiple instances of 'Dashboard Client' running --- Cannot 'kill' them, they re-fire on their own. I have NOT called them up. Using 'atMonitor' [Activity Monitor does not show 'Network' activity (dial-up). Any ideas?? Chuck Davis -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Always weird problems!!!
On Sep 23, 2010, at 9:19 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:53 PM, Charles Davis wrote: This time, I find multiple instances of 'Dashboard Client' running --- Cannot 'kill' them, they re-fire on their own. I have NOT called them up. Using 'atMonitor' [Activity Monitor does not show 'Network' activity (dial-up). Probably one instance for each widget you've got loaded in Dashboard? You can click on the Dashboard icon and then the + sign and then close off any widgets and this will likely stop each instance. You can also kill off Dashboard completely if you want using some Terminal commands, which is what I've done because I never use widgets, and they seem to eat up a lot of resources. Thanks Kris: I'll look into that, but as far as I know, there haven't been any 'widgets' started. Never use them, in fact 'Dashboard' is not in the 'DOCK. Chuck D. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Weird G5 problem
More thoughts today (16th) The problem shows on the system that SHOULD be pristine! (Fresh install) Not on the one that is an 'update' and transfer from a MDD. Have tried an external USB modem, It isn't seen as usable either. [Thats why I went to the trouble to have the two example OS Systems on adjacent partitions on the internal(to the (G5) HD. That's what is so weird about it, Exactly (same physical pieces) the same hardware, Only a 'Reboot' to the other software and the problem shows up. Chuck D. On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:32 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Sep 15, 2010, at 11:30 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Hardware Dual 2Ghz G5, Internal modem, 2 GB DDR SDRAM Problem --- When booting from a partition whose Genisis is: MDD , Tiger - update to Leopard, ccc to partition on G5 = Internal modem works. --- When booting from Fresh install of Leopard on G5, Migration assistant (user data from MDD), the internal modem does NOT function. There probably should be an error message from Migration Assistant saying that the network settings didn't transfer correctly. I believe it would be titled Transfer Warnings and Errors.rtf. Probably on Desktop or Documents. You need to open System PreferencesNetwork and see if the internal modem is shown. If it's not shown, it should automatically recognize the modem when you open System Preferences, and if it doesn't, you've got a problem with one of the hardware extensions not loading. I can tell you how to troubleshoot this if this is the problem. If you have the internal modem shown as a network port, you'll need to reconfigure it to the correct settings (same settings as the working system), and it should work. Errors and Warnings: - 2010-09-05 22:13:28 -0400 Some files from launchd could not be transferred - 2010-09-05 22:13:28 -0400 Some files from launchd (from old Mac) could not be transferred Hi Kris: Only message found. Can't check the SPNetwork at this time (I'm booted with the working OS to get Om-Line) but my memory says that the modem just doesn't show up going through 'setup' and 'diagnostic help', the modem just shows as 'failed'. [When we get this solved, then there is another little 'gotcha' with the 'screen saver'.] Chuck -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Weird G5 problem
On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:32 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Sep 15, 2010, at 11:30 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Hardware Dual 2Ghz G5, Internal modem, 2 GB DDR SDRAM Problem --- When booting from a partition whose Genisis is: MDD , Tiger - update to Leopard, ccc to partition on G5 = Internal modem works. --- When booting from Fresh install of Leopard on G5, Migration assistant (user data from MDD), the internal modem does NOT function. There probably should be an error message from Migration Assistant saying that the network settings didn't transfer correctly. I believe it would be titled Transfer Warnings and Errors.rtf. Probably on Desktop or Documents. You need to open System PreferencesNetwork and see if the internal modem is shown. If it's not shown, it should automatically recognize the modem when you open System Preferences, and if it doesn't, you've got a problem with one of the hardware extensions not loading. I can tell you how to troubleshoot this if this is the problem. If you have the internal modem shown as a network port, you'll need to reconfigure it to the correct settings (same settings as the working system), and it should work. Errors and Warnings: - 2010-09-05 22:13:28 -0400 Some files from launchd could not be transferred - 2010-09-05 22:13:28 -0400 Some files from launchd (from old Mac) could not be transferred Hi Kris: Only message found. Can't check the SPNetwork at this time (I'm booted with the working OS to get Om-Line) but my memory says that the modem just doesn't show up going through 'setup' and 'diagnostic help', the modem just shows as 'failed'. [When we get this solved, then there is another little 'gotcha' with the 'screen saver'.] Chuck -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Weird G5 problem
Hardware Dual 2Ghz G5, Internal modem, 2 GB DDR SDRAM Problem --- When booting from a partition whose Genisis is: MDD , Tiger - update to Leopard, ccc to partition on G5 = Internal modem works. --- When booting from Fresh install of Leopard on G5, Migration assistant (user data from MDD), the internal modem does NOT function. Hints where to start looking for differences in OS flag etc. appreciated. Chuck Davis -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Safari
4.1.2 is for Tiger 5.0.2 is for Leopard Snow Leopard Downloading 5.0.2 at this time. [Damn dial-up --- going to take a while.] Chuck D. On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:30 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: The newest version, 4.1.2, is out. Downloading it now so no idea what is changed -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Mail problem
System Dual 1.25, MDD OSX.4.11 Mail refuses to open. Claims the 'Home' directory is too full. No room to index mail. I have deleted/ moved files in the 'user' 'account' directory (now less than 16 entries) Tried Re-Booting, Safe Boot, still no joy. HELP Presently using a 'backup' laptop. Chuck Davis -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: Mail problem
O.K.It's POP Next problem - renamed Users/chuck/Library/Mail/Mailboxes -- U../c../L../M../ MailboxesX and U../c../L../POP-cad.. --- U../c../L../POPX-cad.. Which should have taken care of that part of the problem. Then comes the rub --- Still can't open Mail [Necessary to do the account changing.] Chuck On Apr 1, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Apr 1, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Charles Davis wrote: System Dual 1.25, MDD OSX.4.11 Mail refuses to open. Claims the 'Home' directory is too full. No room to index mail. I have deleted/ moved files in the 'user' 'account' directory (now less than 16 entries) Tried Re-Booting, Safe Boot, still no joy. HELP Presently using a 'backup' laptop. Silly quesion, you emptied trash, there really IS enough room on the Mac? This POP or IMAP mail? If it's IMAP, just delete the account and re- add it. If pop, move the mail-containing folders aside, drop account, re-add account and import old mail. (Reason 3,456 why I LOVE LOVE LOVE IMAP mail accounts.) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mail problem
O.K.It's POP Next problem - renamed Users/chuck/Library/Mail/Mailboxes -- U../c../L../M../ MailboxesX and U../c../L../POP-cad.. --- U../c../L../POPX-cad.. Which should have taken care of that part of the problem. ***NEW*** Then moved the folders and contents to a different HD [not just a different partition.] Emptied Trash, Re-Start, still No Joy. ***END NEW*** Then comes the rub --- Still can't open Mail [Necessary to do the account changing.] Chuck On Apr 1, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Apr 1, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Charles Davis wrote: System Dual 1.25, MDD OSX.4.11 Mail refuses to open. Claims the 'Home' directory is too full. No room to index mail. I have deleted/ moved files in the 'user' 'account' directory (now less than 16 entries) Tried Re-Booting, Safe Boot, still no joy. HELP Presently using a 'backup' laptop. Silly quesion, you emptied trash, there really IS enough room on the Mac? This POP or IMAP mail? If it's IMAP, just delete the account and re- add it. If pop, move the mail-containing folders aside, drop account, re-add account and import old mail. (Reason 3,456 why I LOVE LOVE LOVE IMAP mail accounts.) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/ g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: Mail problem ---- Now working
O.K.It's POP Next problem - renamed Users/chuck/Library/Mail/Mailboxes -- U../c../L../M../ MailboxesX and U../c../L../POP-cad.. --- U../c../L../POPX-cad.. Which should have taken care of that part of the problem. ***NEW*** Then moved the folders and contents to a different HD [not just a different partition.] Emptied Trash, Re-Start, still No Joy. ***END NEW*** Then comes the rub --- Still can't open Mail [Necessary to do the account changing.] Chuck The solution Brute force,and a larger hammer ! I.E. I started moving things FROM the 'Home' directory till it finally let 'mail' start. NOW all I need to do is to remember where all the stuff goes back to. ;-( Chuck On Apr 1, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Apr 1, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Charles Davis wrote: System Dual 1.25, MDD OSX.4.11 Mail refuses to open. Claims the 'Home' directory is too full. No room to index mail. I have deleted/ moved files in the 'user' 'account' directory (now less than 16 entries) Tried Re-Booting, Safe Boot, still no joy. HELP Presently using a 'backup' laptop. Silly quesion, you emptied trash, there really IS enough room on the Mac? This POP or IMAP mail? If it's IMAP, just delete the account and re- add it. If pop, move the mail-containing folders aside, drop account, re-add account and import old mail. (Reason 3,456 why I LOVE LOVE LOVE IMAP mail accounts.) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: Need info
On Feb 13, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Nestamicky wrote: Why would the NSA be interested in the personal private conversations of law abiding and unwitting citizens who trust that their govt. is protecting them, working in their interest as they lead their happy private lives? This is quite confusing to me. Or, am I an old-timer who believes that one can keep one's privacy in a democratic country? Just questions. The problem = In the search for terrorist (bad guy) conversations to eavesdrop on in hopes of stopping something like he 9/11 festivities. There is NO FLAG in the header information to identify a valid personal private conversations of law abiding and unwitting citizens. Hence the 'shotgun' (look at everything) approach. JMHO Chuck D. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: LaserJet 4100n problem
Good reason There ain't one. The 'fuser' is a HOT surface to 'fuse' (melt the toner [finely ground plastic] into the surface of the paper. The 'charging wires' are next to the 'imaging drum' --- [photoactive surface that receives toner to form image] [NO fingers on drum surface please] Photo-drum surface may be cleaned gently with alcohol and a soft cloth. Chuck Davis On Dec 7, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Dan wrote: Well... Last night I took the fuser out... Didn't see a single wire running the length of the thing? Did I miss something? But there were four or five sets (4 each) of thin feeler type wires sticking up, where they'd touch the paper. Many seemed to have bits of schmutz stuck on their ends. I cleaned that off then carefully cleaned the dust/crud out of every place I could reach. It seems to have made a big difference! The light bar is now narrower and less light, barely noticeable. Going to run a few more cleaning cycles to see if that helps more. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Data Recovery Part 2
On Nov 21, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Roger Kulp wrote: I was wondering about data recovery myself.I had a G4 MDD,and the surge protector got wet the other day.There was a spectacular fireworks display,that blew out the wiring in the room,and now my poor Mac is dead.:_( Can anything be saved? Roger JMHO The problem happened 'Upstream' from the computer equipment! The computer equipment will have seen some 'surges' (spikes mostly) in the AC before that died. The 'good ole' PRAM reset should help. You shouldn't have lost anything. JMHO Chuck D. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 powerbook with leopard as start up disk for G4 desktop with 9.2?
On Nov 14, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Nestamicky wrote: On 11/14/09 8:07 AM, Dwight Hines wrote: I have a power g4 running leopard and want to use it as start up disk for my Desktop G4 that is running OS-9.2. I'm not sure 9.2 will recognize the option I'm aware of, that being Firewire startup option. But you for sure can do so if the desktop has OSX. It's the G4 firmware, that recognizes the 'Target Disk Mode' NOT the 9.2 Operating system. Chuck D. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Dual Boot Question
On Oct 25, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Mel wrote: As soon as you hear the memory test bong, hold down the option key until both drives come up on your desk top. There hsold be a spinning clock. After a while, it varies form aobut 25 seconds to over a minute on a DP 533 G4 DA I use, an arrow should replace the spinning clock. Click the arrow on the HD you wish to boot from and then click 'start.' You should boot from the HD you have selected. However when you shut down, your selection will not be permanent. Mel To make the selection permanent, go to 'System Preferences' / 'Startup Disk', and select there. Chuck D . --- On Sat, 10/24/09, Bruce bsugarb...@core.com wrote: From: Bruce bsugarb...@core.com Subject: MDD Dual Boot Question To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 6:33 PM Hello, I have an MDD with 2 hard drives (a 60gb and a 80gb). One is formatted with 10.4.11 Tiger. One is formatted with 10.5.8 Leopard. When I turn the MDD on, I would like to be presented with a choice of which hard drive to boot off of. How can I do this? Thank you, Bruce S. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: File Recovery Query
On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 10/23/09 9:43 AM, aussieshepsrock ilovaussiesh...@yahoo.com Broadcast into the ether: but can I use a utility program to scan the drive's sectors and reconstitute the data onto another drive? Data Rescue from Prosoft Engineering should work for you. http://www.prosofteng.com/ Isn't this something that 'Disk Warrior' does also??? Don't have the docs to check myself. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: File Recovery Query
On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Charles Davis wrote: Data Rescue from Prosoft Engineering should work for you. http://www.prosofteng.com/ Isn't this something that 'Disk Warrior' does also??? No, the only thing that Disk Warrior does is rebuild munged disk directories. It does it very well. It does not do any sort of 'undelete'; it'll see a freshly formatted drive as having no files on it, and faithfully rebuild the empty directory. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs ISTR that there were some 'flags' that could be set, to tell Disk Warrior to look for 'otherwise deleted' information. [This memory is a few years old, so I may be remembering from another 'Disk Maintenance routine. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Weird happenings
Thanks for the link Anna, I solved the immediate problem by finding a Google Folder in Library --- deletion of the folder cured the problem. And yeah, I DID install Google Earth a while back. Chuck D. On Sep 14, 2009, at 9:04 AM, A.McCullough wrote: So, just to be sure, you don't have Picasa or Google Earth or ANY form of Google app installed? That's normally why you'd get Google Updates even trying to run at all. At any rate, a quick Google of your problem (sorry, couldn't resist) shows this: http://arthurkoziel.com/2008/07/26/the-google-software-update-agent/ HTH, Anna Charles Davis wrote: System = MDD Dual 1.25, 1 GIG RAM Noticed problems with Shut Down Big snip --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Weird happenings
System = MDD Dual 1.25, 1 GIG RAM
Noticed problems with Shut Down
Re-boot check Console LOG
Mac OS X Version 10.4.11 (Build 8S165)
2009-09-13 18:08:31 -0400
2009-09-13 18:08:33.351 SystemUIServer[116]
MenuCracker
see http://sourceforge.net/projects/menucracker
MenuCracker is now loaded. Ready to accept new menus. Ignore the
failure message that follow.
2009-09-13 18:08:33.492 SystemUIServer[116] failed to load Menu
Extra: NSBundle /Library/PreferencePanes/MenuMeters.prefPane/
Contents/Resources/MenuCracker.menu (loaded)
2009-09-13 18:08:33.687 SystemUIServer[116] lang is:en
No log handling enabled - turning on stderr logging
ack: Unknown host ()
something horrible happened!!!
2009-09-13 18:08:36.645 SystemUIServer[116] MenuCracker: Loading
'MenuMeterNetExtra'.
2009-09-13 18:08:36.666 SystemUIServer[116] failed to load Menu
Extra: NSBundle /Library/PreferencePanes/MenuMeters.prefPane/
Contents/Resources/MenuMeterNet.menu (loaded)
2009-09-13 18:08:33.008 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0xa000ed88]
[lvl=2] -[KSAgentApp setupLoggerOutput] Agent settings:
KSAgentSettings:0x5216d0 bundleID=com.google.Keystone.Agent
lastCheck=2009-09-01 19:08:48 -0400 checkInterval=86400.00
uiDisplayInterval=604800.00 sleepInterval=8640.00
jitterInterval=900 maxRunInterval=0.00 isConsoleUser=1
ticketStorePath=/Users/chuck/Library/Google/GoogleSoftwareUpdate/
TicketStore/Keystone.ticketstore runMode=1
daemonBootstrapName=com.google.Keystone.Daemon logEverything=0
logBufferSize=2048 alwaysPromptForUpdates=0 productIDToUpdate=(null)
lastRun=2009-09-13 17:56:26 -0400 lastUIDisplayed=(null)
lastCheck=2009-09-01 19:08:48 -0400 alwaysShowStatusItem=0 userGUID=
{B1986B04-FED5-43C1-A133-3C9F8BE78392} updateCheckTag=(null)
printResults=NO userInitiated=NO handlingCrash=NO
2009-09-13 18:08:37.671 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine updateProductWithProductID:] No ticket for
product with Product ID com.google.Keystone
2009-09-13 18:08:37.673 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine processingStarted:]
processor=KSActionProcessor:0x540080 isProcessing=1 actions=4
current=(null)
2009-09-13 18:08:37.673 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine processor:startingAction:]
processor=KSActionProcessor:0x540080 isProcessing=1 actions=3
current=KSCheckAction, action=KSCheckAction: 0x542290
2009-09-13 18:08:37.675 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSCheckAction performAction] No checkers created.
2009-09-13 18:08:37.675 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine processor:finishedAction:successfully:]
processor=KSActionProcessor:0x540080 isProcessing=1 actions=3
current=KSCheckAction, action=KSCheckAction: 0x542290, wasOK=1
2009-09-13 18:08:37.675 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine processor:startingAction:]
processor=KSActionProcessor:0x540080 isProcessing=1 actions=2
current=KSPrefetchAction, action=KSPrefetchAction: 0x5428a0
2009-09-13 18:08:37.675 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSPrefetchAction performAction] no updates available.
2009-09-13 18:08:37.675 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine processor:finishedAction:successfully:]
processor=KSActionProcessor:0x540080 isProcessing=1 actions=2
current=KSPrefetchAction, action=KSPrefetchAction: 0x5428a0, wasOK=1
2009-09-13 18:08:37.676 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine processor:startingAction:]
processor=KSActionProcessor:0x540080 isProcessing=1 actions=1
current=KSSilentUpdateAction, action=KSSilentUpdateAction: 0x5429b0
2009-09-13 18:08:37.676 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSMultiUpdateAction performAction] no updates available.
2009-09-13 18:08:37.676 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine processor:finishedAction:successfully:]
processor=KSActionProcessor:0x540080 isProcessing=1 actions=1
current=KSSilentUpdateAction, action=KSSilentUpdateAction:
0x5429b0, wasOK=1
2009-09-13 18:08:37.676 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine processor:startingAction:]
processor=KSActionProcessor:0x540080 isProcessing=1 actions=0
current=KSPromptAction, action=KSPromptAction: 0x542b00
2009-09-13 18:08:37.676 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSMultiUpdateAction performAction] no updates available.
2009-09-13 18:08:37.676 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine processor:finishedAction:successfully:]
processor=KSActionProcessor:0x540080 isProcessing=1 actions=0
current=KSPromptAction, action=KSPromptAction: 0x542b00, wasOK=1
2009-09-13 18:08:37.676 GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent[124/0x2019800]
[lvl=2] -[KSUpdateEngine processingStopped:]
processor=KSActionProcessor:0x540080 isProcessing=0 actions=0
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Re: Mail directory broken? PBG4 10.5.7
Opinions interspersed below; On Aug 3, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Stanton Mitrany wrote: Hi folks, While momentarily attending something on Safari, the Dock's Mail icon bouncing attracted my attention. I clicked on it and was informed that (or something like this) directory is broken. To fix it, you need to quit Mail. I obeyed, and then re-launched Mail. I was confronted with what appeared to be an Apple set-up application, which asked me to begin what looked to be a multi-step process to locate, if I remember correctly, something like my Mail database. Since this suggested to me that I was in over my head, I quit the setup box and Mail, and have made an appointment to see a Genius at an Apple Store. Fortunately, I had done a backup with Time Machine only this morning. But this is scary. I've never before in 22 years as a Macintosh user encountered anything like this. Could this issue be caused by a fairly large number of items in my Inbox (about 36,000?) Could be!!! The number ~36000 may not be the trip point. It could be related to how much space is available on the HD. Since you have 'backup' available, you might try the 'mailbox rebuild' [Can't find it now --- but I HAV seen it.] Usually I pare it down dramatically when it gets up to about 40,000. Since having so many Inbox items hasn't caused problems in the past, I don't know whether this might be related to the issue I'm experiencing now or not. I've done all the Software Updates that Apple has called for, most recently within this last week. Have you any suggestions, other than to keep my appointment at the Genius Bar? Does it sound as if my mail database is irretrievable? You should be O.K. JMHO Chuck D. Thanks, stanton Philadelphia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Window position assignment drives us nuts
Nope!! This is for positioning of 'Internet Connect Activity Monitor after startup. System = MDD, Dual 1.25 G4s, 1Gig mem, 1280x1024 display---Normal window usage -- leaves approx 1 of finder window showing beside the 'Mail', 'Safari', 'Firefox', whatever App is being used. I then placed 'Internet Connect' in the lower left corner of screen - This allows for continual monitoring of 'Internet connect' status. [pane placed so that the 'Connect/Disconnect' button is just above the DOCK, and the 'connect' info is still 'on screen'.] 'Activity Monitor' is placed in the lower right corner, with the 'Network' window against the right side of the screen, and the 'Data received' line of info. just above the DOCK. Attempts at 'locating' the placements have succeeded in locating 'Activity Monitor 'Horizontally' but NOT vertically. Same for 'Internet Connect' Chuck D. On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:43 PM, Richard Gerome wrote: I'm thinking that maybe this is designed to do this so you know you have a window open under it and you don't forget about it???... CoolKat -Original Message- From: Charles Davis c...@gamewood.net Sent: Aug 1, 2009 7:10 PM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Window position assignment drives us nuts O.K. I've tried (1) closing window from 'File (2) Quitting app With the window located in the desired location. Neither of which places the window correctly when the app is next started. Any more ideas? Chuck Davis --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Window position assignment drives us nuts
O.K. I've tried (1) closing window from 'File (2) Quitting app With the window located in the desired location. Neither of which places the window correctly when the app is next started. Any more ideas? Chuck Davis --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PRAM battery?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 5:24 PM, PeterH wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Clark Martin wrote: Maybe but it's not a preferred method anymore. Among other reasons there's the risk of electrolytic action on the water pipe. There are dielectric connections available. Yeah!! Right!!The 'Dielectric' is the clue to the fact that this won't make any sort of 'ground' connection. Sheesh!!! Wake up, and stop trying to be so smart!!! Chuck D. But, it is indeed NOT the preferred method, even though that method may have been permitted in the past. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PRAM battery?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 6:12 PM, PeterH wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Wake up, and stop trying to be so smart!!! I hold a BSEE from a major western university, and I was employed in a professional capacity in that specific activity by this nation's largest municipal utility. I suspect you cannot show equivalent professional credentials. No I can't!! Never said I could. Just pointing out that all of us, at times, manage to screw up! (And I AM included in the 'All of us') Your posts are normally succinct and on target. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 15, 2009, at 5:52 PM, Jim Scott wrote: snip The moderator is a LEM list nanny and should know better than to start an off-topic discussion on this list instead of the LEM List, except that his desire to have things his way apparently is more important than list rules, or protocol, or a previous decision by the List Mom. If I were the List Mom, I'd either banish him or at least moderate his posts for this infraction if not for his insurrection. Jim Chuckle At least it's been civil, and not strayed too far. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DSL Modem Question
On Apr 28, 2009, at 5:47 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: I already have a DSL modem but as I have gotten my hands on a different one I want to get some opinions on it. I have a spare for my current modem but if this one is good I might make it another spare. Never know when you might need it. This is what I got: Siemens Speedstream 4100 B DSL ethernet ADSL modem Just for reference sake, how good is this modem (ie, long lived)? How reliable is it? Any one here have experience with this modem? -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 1st thing to check Contact your DSL supplier and find out if your 'spare' is usable with 'their' DSL system. It may, or may not be usable. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC and Backups
On Apr 26, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: On Apr 26, 2009, at 2:09 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: 1. I feel like making two separate backups, one of my whole drive and then one of my user folder, as if I backup every couple of days and the system does something weird, wouldn't it be better to have a system to revert to? Absolutely I think I did not post this question properly. Should I backup the whole system once and then not update that backup until the next system update, and then separately backup the user files, nearly every day? The reason to do this would be that if you back up the System every day, would you not be backing up whatever errors have crept into it, thereby rendering the backup problematic when a problem occurs? Does this make sense? Your concern and question make sense. Lets separate things a bit, Backups, Bootable systems, may or may not be equivalent. If you have a 'clone' bootable system, as long as you 'boot' that system on a 'hardware package' with at least the minimum hardware NEEDED, Then you have YOUR system, as of the time of the 'clone; operation. If all you have are 'backups', then you need to duplicate the original hardware, install the OS, and applications needed, and then restore your backups. With todays costs for HD space, I can't see NOT backing up the whole thing. My systems, (3-MDDs, 1 PB) all have a 55-60 GB partition on the internal HD. I have a couple of large Firewire HDs, partitioned with multiple partitions of approximately 60GB. These partitions contain several generations of system clones. I use SuperDuper! -- it has a setting to 'update/clone', which will update a previously made clone to match today. which usually is 20 minutes or less.(18GB of used space) I can 'swap hardware' and be back up running for only the 'physical swap boot up' time. The only time that I would be using a current system that was having problems, would be to clear out the space to restore a known good system, (one of the clone copies) while still being able to look at and retrieve data from the 'current' system. HTH Chuck D. Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5 Intel iMac 2.66gHz Core 2 Duo 2GB RAM, 264GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.6 mailto:earth...@ptd.net http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Disk Utility
On Apr 17, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Dan wrote: At 12:42 PM -0500 4/17/2009, DAN A CURRIE wrote: MDD dualie 1.25 / 2 - GB RAM / 2 - 120 GB HDD + 1 - 3 GB HDD / OS 10.5.4. I would like to set the computer up so that I do not need to install the OS disk to run Disk Utilities. What does install the OS disk mean? Disk Utility runs just fine from the booted system. To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com, x...@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Cross-posting to multiple mailing lists ensures that people waste effort duplicating answers. Just not cool. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth Are you trying to be dense Dan? He wants to be able to run 'Disk Utility' on the HD/ Partition that is 'Normally' used for booting. [Hence the reference to booting from the OS disk.] Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Disk Utility
On Apr 17, 2009, at 8:16 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Apr 17, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Charles Davis wrote: [Hence the reference to booting from the OS disk.] That's OS disc with a c (unless you're trying to be dents?). Otherwise, OS disk is his HD (know won bee sew dents). Sorry Teach!! Till you mentioned the 'Rules' Re: Disk/ Disc a few hours back, I had never heard any 'rules' Re: Disk/ Disc And I've only been aware of and involved in Micro's since before the first Apple 6502's (early 1970's). So it's NOT all that universal. It does make sense though. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Disk Utility
On Apr 17, 2009, at 9:35 PM, Dan wrote: At 7:40 PM -0400 4/17/2009, Charles Davis wrote: On Apr 17, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Dan wrote: At 12:42 PM -0500 4/17/2009, DAN A CURRIE wrote: MDD dualie 1.25 / 2 - GB RAM / 2 - 120 GB HDD + 1 - 3 GB HDD / OS 10.5.4. I would like to set the computer up so that I do not need to install the OS disk to run Disk Utilities. What does install the OS disk mean? Disk Utility runs just fine from the booted system. Are you trying to be dense Dan? No. His statement was ambiguous. He wants to be able to run 'Disk Utility' on the HD/ Partition that is 'Normally' used for booting. [Hence the reference to booting from the OS disk.] He wants ... That would be YOUR guess. From the contents of the OP's other post in the other thread, it looks like you win the banana for your interpretation. *shrug* - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth Well, he got some usable answers. So the list succeeds again!!! ;-) Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What is the point of Mail.app??
On Apr 4, 2009, at 12:37 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: I followed all the directions on the gmail site to set up the account via mail 3.0 using imap. I want to use the gmail account that I am using to write this email on. I have had this account for years. When I open my account through mail nothing happens. It doesn't start downloading my mail or anything even if i click get mail. It worked with pop. -Jonas You sure there is something there to download?? If you have been accessing the account with a pop setup, it may have deleted all the waiting messages already. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrade Question
On Apr 2, 2009, at 12:39 PM, andre stark wrote: I have a very dependable G4 867 MHz machine that has A LOT of apps on it. However yo upgrade to FCP6 or even Imovie 6 I need Leopard on this machine. is it worth my while upgrading the processor and gfx card (about 500.00) or should I get a used G5 machine. Thanks Sincerely, André Stark President BlackShark Films Inc. 23 Chilton Park Milton, MA 02186 617-298-1591 (o) 857-544-3783(c) (360) 242-7648(f) http://www.blacksharkfilms.com blacksharkfi...@yahoo.com This is perilously close to the 'If it ain't broke' place. A G5 would solve the Leopard, leave you with your still functional G4 MAC. Sounds like a Win Win, to me. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What is the point of Mail.app??
On Apr 1, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: Also, can I still check my mail through the website even after I set it up with mail? -Jonas Depends on whether or not you tell 'Mail' to delete things after downloading them. ;-) Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! I've lost one harddrive and now the main harddrive won't boot!
On Mar 20, 2009, at 8:06 PM, insightinmind wrote: On Mar 20, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Charles Davis wrote: On Mar 20, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Dan wrote: That's re-initializing a drive. You cannot reformat modern drives. The process of zeroing it -- writing zeros to each sector on the drive causes the hardware's bad block replacement mechanism to trigger as needed. What isn't being said here, is whether the 'bad block' mechanism is operational when zeroing at the partition level, or only when the complete hard disk is being 'zeroed'. Good point. I've always assumed partitions were being treated like a separate volume, and was being re-mapped. That's the way I'd like it to be, which means that the 'Bad Blocks' routines probably only work when Zeroing the complete Hard Disk. Chuck D. Gurus? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! I've lost one harddrive and now the main harddrive won't boot!
First things First Remove, or at least disconnect the second HD - leave out of the mix until you get the first HD working. [That way THOSE files will be safe from further damage, and probably recoverable later.] [Treat that HDs problems as a separate problem.] On Mar 17, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Janine Cheung wrote: As I said, I need help! I have a 1 Ghz Dual Processor Quick Silver with 1.5 GB ram, running OS 10.4.11 I had two harddrives installed. My main drive is 150 GB but shows up as being 120 gb. The other harddrive was about 80 GB. Anyway... I turned the computer on today and heard a persistant clicking noise I investigated a little, but was not too worried because the main boot drive was functioning normally. Later checked here on the list for possible reasons for the clicking noise and found it was likely harddrive failure... which is when I went looking for my second harddrive icon on the desktop... couldn't find it so I loaded in my OS X install disk and rebooted with it as the startup disk. The missing drive did not appear in the lineup. I then switched back to my boot drive and made backups of all my working files. Backups where? Removable media? Backups to a different partition on the same HD are still gone if the HD goes. However, I've lost access to whatever was on the second drive, and alas, do not have a recent backup. Is there any way to retrieve files from a dead drive? A supposed short term 'fix/cure' is to FREEZE the HD [remove, freezer overnight, reinstall, IMMEDIATE clone/ copy to another device/ location. Okay so I'm now missing some stuff... mainly downloaded music, and purchased stock photos. BUT that's when it goes from bad to worse! I turned off the computer, unplugged it, grounded myself and went in an discounted the malfunctioning harddrive. Tried to reboot, heard the start-up chime, after along wait, got the grey apple logo screen, and then after another long wait, my desktop photo and dock appeared on the screen, but my files did not load just the spinning beach ball.. I let it sit for .5 hour but nothing was happening so I shut down the computer again and restarted by holding down the c key, since the install disk was still in the DVD drive. I then checked the boot volume and it came up that a minor repair was needed... did that, and then verfied the permissions. That came up saying that everything was wrong. So I ran repair permissions. Then I rebooted using the main drive, and that's when it gets stuck (as detailed above) My files are still on the boot drive, but how can I get the harddrive to mount? No 'clicking', probably recoverable - Have you tried Disk Utility's 'repair disk' option --- re run until it comes up with a clean report. If the system still has problems at this point, Disk Warrior' may be the solution. I don't have an up-to-date version of Disk Warrior. if I got the appropriate version and ran it, building a new volume directory for the disk, would that solve the prolem? Any other suggestions? When you get things back operating, Run, don't walk to the nearest supplier of HD's and replace the 150GB. The original HD MAY be suitable for installation in an External Case, but if you do, don't forget that it has already had problems [in other words --- NOT for backing up irreplaceable files.] The 80GB is probably suitable for use as a 'door stop'. I had a SCSI card in a slot that I wasn't using, so I pulled it out just in case it was interfering with the boot process in some way. Still get hung up at the desktop, with the spinning beachball. Like I said earlier... HELP! Just how I would look at and attack this situation. Others may have other comments [maybe better]. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!
On Mar 15, 2009, at 2:37 AM, jonas ulrich wrote: I haven't really had to deal with computers that have been used in a smokers home. You say that goo builds up??? HOW??? just from the smoke or what? I might suggest maybe using rubbing alcohol and a tooth brush... rubbing alcohol === BAD 'Rubbing Alcohol' often has 'Emollients and perfumes', plus who knows what else, added to keep the users skin from being 'dried out'. Now the 91% Isopropyl is much better, and just a few cents more per bottle at the Drug Store. [WalleyMart, wherever!] Chuck D. i would just replace fans and stuff though... -Jonas On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote: On 3/14/09 6:09 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: I have had this with three old Macs. My drill is to get My drill is not to buy machines from smokers because the stench will never be completely removed from said computer. Kyle Hansen -- This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
On Mar 14, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Clark Martin wrote: PAR wrote: still don't have a good feel for an answer. For example, arctic silver (and comparable products) say they are thermal conductors and not electrical conductors, yet the fine print says it may end up shorting out circuits -- in plain English, that means it is an electrical conductor. The processor I have to plug into my gigabit machine is a standard Apple dual processor with a standard apple heatsink. Does anyone know where I could buy about two inches of Apple thermal conductive tape, which appears to be the original product used in Macs? Even if the thermal GREASE is non-conductive, you have two metal surfaces being pressed together. They will almost certainly come into direct contact and make an electrical circuit if possible. That is why it doesn't really matter if the thermal grease is electrically conductive or not, one has to assume the two metal items will make contact. That is unless you are also adding an object between them that is specifically designed to keep them out of electrical contact. The 'Electrically conductive' being a problem is NOT between the processor heat sink, it's the problem caused by 'excess conductive paste' oozing onto circuit traces adjacent to the processor, and shorting various signals and/or power traces. I.E. Sloppy application Chuck D. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!
On Mar 14, 2009, at 8:08 PM, MacGuy wrote: Got a mac pro that's spent it's entire existence on the floor, in a cramped space with a chain-smoker for the past year and a half. The thing is so clogged with yellow goo and dirt that the power supply literally caught fire once about 4 months ago. Fortunately for him, Apple came through with another power supply! I couldn't believe it. Anyway, my question is How do I remove such nasty? The whole system would undoubtedly need to be carefully disassembled, which I'm not afraid of doing. But the GOO? how to get rid of it safely? without harming the various parts. I think an automotive parts washer is out of the question here:-) ps. and no, it's not mine! Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 How about a bath in Methanol ? [Meth, an alcohol find a propane gas supplier, they have the Methanol, in large quantities for drying propane tanks during use.] get a couple of gallons, use a 'wash tub' OUTSIDE with paint brush for 'scrubbing' 'Rubber Gloves would not be a bad idea.] Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mail Redux
On Mar 12, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: Hi, It's actually worse, after I delete emails, and go into another mailbox, if I come back into my Inbox the mails are all back, all 387 of them. And it's always 387!!! Going nuts!!! Those 387 are sitting on your ISPs Mail Server. The problem shows up because YOUR mail programs list of already downloaded messages is missing. [Already downloaded, don't download --- not downloaded yet, download] Check your mail settings --- Delete from server after download may be set improperly. Chuck D. Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 Intel iMac 2.4gHz Core 2 Duo 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, OS 10.5.5 mailto:earth...@ptd.net http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Problem with the List?
I suspect everyone has been seeing these. dcasp...@comcast.net is where the glitch is, a bounce notice back to GOOGLE is triggering the messages to everyone. JMHO [It's one of those 'Annoyances' that are best ignored. Eventually, they stop.] Chuck D. On Mar 10, 2009, at 1:05 PM, insightinmind wrote: Responding to messages on the list, I'm getting: - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - dcasp...@comcast.net etc. Is it just me, or is it a problem with the list? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A minor tale of woe and ass-u-me ...
On Mar 9, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Ok, so this weekend I became an object lesson for y'all. snip With a link to OS X drivers, which they've had all along, and were present on the CD included, if I'd bothered to look :-) Moral of the story: Don't always believe the box. :-) Oh kay!!! ;-) Chuck D. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: HD problems--advice sought
On Mar 9, 2009, at 2:16 PM, joe wrote: I'm got a G4 AGP with plenty of RAM (1.5 gig because I lent a 512 mg stick to another computer), 1.4 GHz cpu, running up-to-date Tiger (10.4.11) I've got two HDs inside on the regular IDE HD bus. Both are over- sized and partitioned thusly: 500 (actually 465.76GB) GB drive partition 1 127.88 GB with the OS on it partition 2 the rest of that drive 200 GB (actually 189.92) GB drive partition 1 127.86 GB partition 2 the rest of that drive I've also got a 180 GB drive in an external firewire enclosure in two partitions: partition 1: 127.88 GB with a relatively good back-up of the system partition partition 2: the rest, with backups of other more-or-less important stuff Oh yeah--IIRC, they're all HFS+, journaled. I've got a slightly out-of-date copy of the FireWire drive on a loose HD that was having some hardware troubles when I retired it. I use Intech's hi-cap kext to see the oversized partitions of the drives (but can see just the first partitions when I boot from a disk). My problem is this: That first partition on the big internal drive, the one with the OS on it, is messed up--not hardware. Once in a while it fails to mount, as if it's got a corrupted directory file. However, when I run DiskWarrior, it spends some 12 hours or so working on it, and then finally fails. I've booted from the firewire drive and run Disk Utility's repair disk on the drive--it identifies a ton of overlapped files, but finally fails. Joe; What I would try [Assuming that you have backups of all the files on the HD (both partitions)]. Keep Re-Running 'Disk Utility repair Disk' until there are no changes from report to report. At that point try and identify the 'culprit' file. delete that file, and then re-run 'Disk Utility repair disk' again. [Hopefully, is will allow 'repair disk' to now complete.] WHEN you get the HD to the point that everything that you want to save is 'elsewhere'. Go through a cycle of writing Zeros [To the whole HD, NOT individual partitions.] to give the hardware a chance to do it's magic of mapping bad sectors. Then, re-partition as desired, and restore things. Just the way I'd tackle this problem. [You did ask!! ;-)] Chuck D. Chuck D. Usually, just trying again (restarting from the firewire or even from a disk) gets it to mount again. When I try to do a full back- up of the problem drive, it understandably fails. When I do an incremental back-up, it usually fails, but at least not until after it's backed up everything that seems to matter to me. Any idea how I should go about fixing stuff? Are there other 3rd party disk repair apps that don't rely on the same thing in my system that seems to be failing (fsck_hfs)? I'm thinking I may just get a 140 GB drive and just use the first 127.88 GB as my system drive from now on. (That way I can deal with just that one partition and nothing else on that drive.) I imagine I can clone from my FW back-up. After I've got that working, I suppose I can erase that problematic partition to re-use it. Since the problem is overlapping files and a corrupted disk directory, just a simple erase should make that partition usable again, right? If not, I can't re-format just that partition somehow--leaving the larger partition on that drive untouched? Joe == Joe the Juggler 4148 Wyoming St. St. Louis, MO 63116 (314) 771-3243 http://joethejuggler.com == --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: HD problems--advice sought
On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:18 PM, joe wrote: On Mar 9, 2009, at 1:42 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Joe; What I would try [Assuming that you have backups of all the files on the HD (both partitions)]. Keep Re-Running 'Disk Utility repair Disk' until there are no changes from report to report. At that point try and identify the 'culprit' file. delete that file, and then re-run 'Disk Utility repair disk' again. [Hopefully, is will allow 'repair disk' to now complete.] WHEN you get the HD to the point that everything that you want to save is 'elsewhere'. Go through a cycle of writing Zeros [To the whole HD, NOT individual partitions.] to give the hardware a chance to do it's magic of mapping bad sectors. Then, re-partition as desired, and restore things. Just the way I'd tackle this problem. [You did ask!! ;-)] Thanks, Chuck. I think that's the way I'll try it. On the other hand, if it's going to take 12 hours again (I've already given it more than 12 hours on 4 occasions), I might just erase the problem partition and restore my pretty nearly up-to-date backup. (Again, whatever's messed up is what prevents me from doing a full back-up right now.) I'd like to zero out the entire drive, but I don't think I have enough space to back up the good partition of that drive. If I trash enough stuff that I no longer need, I just might have enough room somewhere to do it. == Joe the Juggler 4148 Wyoming St. St. Louis, MO 63116 (314) 771-3243 http://joethejuggler.com == Joe: If you can't clear the whole HD. then thing to do is clear the smaller partition, erase (zero), altho I'm not sure that doing this at the partition level will let the 'bad sector' routines do anything. Then I'd do a 'Re-Install' of the OS as opposed to copying (cloning an existing partition) -- is would avoi dhe possibility of your 'clone' source possibly being the original source of the problem. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Tiger can write to NTFS drives?
On Mar 6, 2009, at 2:37 AM, Paul wrote: I just tried this very quickly, and then went on to do other more urgent things, but I was pleasantly surprised by the results. I connected an external SATA hard drive that came out of a dead PC. I was about to change it to standard Mac format, and decided to see how much support Tiger (10.4.11) gave to NTFS format, the standard disk format for Windows NT, 2000, and XP. I wasn't surprised that I could read the disk, but I remember being able to write a file, too. Was I dreaming, or is NTFS read and write support standard in Tiger? That was why I moved up to Tiger from OS9. Had a friend/ customer that I wanted to move into a Mac, and needed access to all his Windows data files. After the move, he has been quite happy with a Dual 867 MDD. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Tiger can write to NTFS drives?
On Mar 6, 2009, at 11:20 PM, Dana Collins wrote: On 3/6/09 9:43 AM, Charles Davis of c...@gamewood.net sent On Mar 6, 2009, at 2:37 AM, Paul wrote: I just tried this very quickly, and then went on to do other more urgent things, but I was pleasantly surprised by the results. I connected an external SATA hard drive that came out of a dead PC. I was about to change it to standard Mac format, and decided to see how much support Tiger (10.4.11) gave to NTFS format, the standard disk format for Windows NT, 2000, and XP. I wasn't surprised that I could read the disk, but I remember being able to write a file, too. Was I dreaming, or is NTFS read and write support standard in Tiger? That was why I moved up to Tiger from OS9. Had a friend/ customer that I wanted to move into a Mac, and needed access to all his Windows data files. After the move, he has been quite happy with a Dual 867 MDD. NTFS in Tiger? Really? I can't get it on Leopard without using NTFS-3G Project's OS X free-source utility. Tried the other day (writing to an XP-formatted NTFS drive) and no go until I installed the above. My Disk Utility will format as MS-DOS FAT but like Tiger, NTFS is not (natively) an option. If you have it, tell me how!:-) Very curious, Dana Since my interest was in retrieving data from the NTFS files, I can't be certain that I ever tried to write anything to NTFS. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How can I point iTunes to a new disk?
On Mar 3, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Tommy wrote: On Mar 2, 5:56 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Mar 2, 2009, at 6:48 PM, yawg wrote: You can move ALL the iTunes Music folder on the smaller System HD to the trash (don't empty unless you're certain the copy on the external HD is complete), Retain a back up copy of your music on another disk, I recently had an total failure of a disk. If I didn't have a copy of my music on another computer, at another location all would've been lost. I run my iTunes library off an external HD, back that up on another external HD, copy new songs and movies to a thumb drive take those to the other computer, which, of course, is all backed up on yet another external HD. Does this make me compulsive? Paranoid? No!! But it DOES make you a bit safer!! Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Well, they STILL don't have a modern computer...
On Mar 3, 2009, at 7:23 PM, insightinmind wrote: On Mar 3, 2009, at 6:08 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: but the Amiga Fan Corps have done some seriously impressive open- source chemistry! http://retr0bright.wikispaces.com/ They've invented a solution that will un-yellowfy old computer plastics. Cool stuff. Thank You, Bruce! I was rummaging through some computer boxes, last night, visited my Mac Plus ... and was close to horrified how its color had changed ... even in its dark space. I'm thinking about starting it up now, just to see it run ... And then there's my Lionel Train Set from my childhood, next to it ... Watch it!!! Trains can be addictive. (Chuck D., Model Railroader since '51) Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Well, they STILL don't have a modern computer...
On Mar 3, 2009, at 8:39 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Charles Davis c...@gamewood.net wrote: On Mar 3, 2009, at 7:23 PM, insightinmind wrote: On Mar 3, 2009, at 6:08 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: but the Amiga Fan Corps have done some seriously impressive open- source chemistry! http://retr0bright.wikispaces.com/ They've invented a solution that will un-yellowfy old computer plastics. Cool stuff. Thank You, Bruce! I was rummaging through some computer boxes, last night, visited my Mac Plus ... and was close to horrified how its color had changed ... even in its dark space. I'm thinking about starting it up now, just to see it run ... And then there's my Lionel Train Set from my childhood, next to it ... Watch it!!! Trains can be addictive. (Chuck D., Model Railroader since '51) -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- Yeah Charles, you'd better send those trains to me were they can be safely handled ;)! Thee doest not know what thee is asking!!! ;-) Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Spotlight Problem in Mail
On Mar 2, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 1, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Linda wrote: On Mar 1, 2009, at 7:36 PM, Dan wrote: Or you could just try the solution we presented. I would try the solution if I knew what it meant. I have never done anything like this. I don't even know where this is located. I know, I sound pretty stupid here but I haven't messed with an OS since I left OS9. I don't know anything about codes. Here http://dbdev2.pharmacy.arizona.edu/miscjunk/DSB.zip Brand new program for the world: Dan's Spotlight Bodger, download it, unzip it, run it, it asks for your password, stops indexing, nukes your spotlight indexes, and starts indexing again. About 5 seconds after this finished running, my spotlight icon had the pulsing dot in it signifying that it was indexing away. Thank you Bruce!!! Added to my Applications/Utilities folder. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
On Mar 1, 2009, at 12:59 AM, Clark Martin wrote: Charles Davis wrote: On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:33 PM, tonycd wrote: Pardon me for quasi-hijacking this thread, but I just ran into nearly the same exact problem. Only worse: my external FireWire drive isn't seen at all. (3 partitions: a Panther, a Tiger and a Leopard.) Just to try and keep things 'understandable' - Your External Firewire drive has 3 partitions. One of which boots Panther, One of which boots Tiger, and One of which boots Leopard. ALL of these partitions are JUST Partitions. There isn't ANYTHING other than the contents to define them as Panther, Tiger, or Leopard. The question is, which format is the Hard Disk? HFS, HFS+, or Journaled HFS+ ??? The harddisk isn't any format, the partitions are. You could mix HFS, HFS+ and FAT 32 on the same drive if you wanted to. The harddisk has a certain partition scheme. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting You are right Clark --- chalk it up to trying to simplify too much. Chuck D. I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:33 PM, tonycd wrote: Pardon me for quasi-hijacking this thread, but I just ran into nearly the same exact problem. Only worse: my external FireWire drive isn't seen at all. (3 partitions: a Panther, a Tiger and a Leopard.) Just to try and keep things 'understandable' - Your External Firewire drive has 3 partitions. One of which boots Panther, One of which boots Tiger, and One of which boots Leopard. ALL of these partitions are JUST Partitions. There isn't ANYTHING other than the contents to define them as Panther, Tiger, or Leopard. The question is, which format is the Hard Disk? HFS, HFS+, or Journaled HFS+ ??? Worked last time. This time, none of the three show up anywhere. Not on the desktop, not in Disk Utility, not even in Disk Warrior. The physical disk sounds like it's running normally. Uh-oh. --Tony On Feb 28, 7:55 pm, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Ken W ken...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am running a PowerMac G4 dual 450 with OS X 10.3.9. I have 2 external firewire hard drives, a LaCie 80 GB and a LaCie 750 GB. The 750 has 3 partitions. Everything was working great, but I powered off my computer today and now when I rebooted the 80 GB is unmounted, and 2 of the 3 partitions on the 750 are unmounted. Disk Utility can see these unmounted drives/ partitions, but can not mount them. What the heck? I am not that technical with this kind of stuff. __ What file system were they formatted in? Do you shut it down regularly with no similar problem? Have you mounted them to any other machines recently? Have you installed any new software or updates recently that may have files in startup or shutdown folders? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
On Mar 1, 2009, at 12:04 AM, tonycd wrote: On Feb 28, 10:47 pm, Charles Davis c...@gamewood.net wrote: On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:33 PM, tonycd wrote: I know it isn't the first. I THINK it was the second. (Of course, now I can't find out.) The question is, which format is the Hard Disk? HFS, HFS+, or Journaled HFS+ ??? I think I'd take Kris's idea for a start. On Feb 28, 2009, at 10:08 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Feb 28, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Ken W wrote: What the heck? I am not that technical with this kind of stuff. I used to boot from Firewire HDs all the time, and occasionally would run into a similar issue. The problem was somehow something switched the Firewire kext in OS X to some other setting. I remember I looked in the System.log when the Firewire was working and it always said something like A400 and 400Mbps somewhere. When it was broken and not mounting the HDs it said A100 and 100Mbps instead. I believe the solution was to use Onyx, Cocktail, or Applejack to clean the caches, etc., and reboot. Then it acted normally again. I don't know if this is your problem, but it worked for me when my Firewire drives stopped mounting. Whatever, when you find a fix, please let us know. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Selecting Startup Disk in Beige G3
On Feb 22, 2009, at 10:06 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Feb 22, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Mullin9 wrote: In the new-world mac, I press option at startup to select the startup disk, But on the Old-World Beige Mac, what key do I push to select the startup disk, If you're using an unsupported version of OS X (10.3 or 10.4) requiring XPostFacto you must use XPF to select the startup disk. If you're using a supported version of OS X (10.2 or earlier) or OS 9 you use Apple Startup Disk to select the startup disk. There isn't any firmware option (meaning keystroke) for selecting the startup disk prior to boot, although you can boot into Open Firmware command line and use open firmware commands to select the startup device. This isn't easy because you'll need to know the exact arcane open firmware device name to be able to specify it. It can be done, but it's not for the faint of heart, and generally you could boot a CD holding the C key and then use Apple Startup Disk from there unless you're using an unsupported OS X which will not work properly if you use Apple Startup Disk since it conflicts with XPF. If you reset the PRAM/NVRAM the Beige defaults to the master drive of the primary ATA bus. IF that happens to be an OS9 system, otherwise, it will fina an OS9 system someplace among all the available partitions, otherwise ?? Chuck D. These other old-world boot key commands work, but aren't too useful unless you use SCSI drives in the Beige: Cmd-Opt-Shift-Delete: Bypass startup drive and boot from external SCSI Cmd-Opt-Shift-Delete-#: Boot from a specific SCSI ID #.(#=SCSI ID number) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Software Update
On Feb 21, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Dan wrote: At 8:13 PM -0500 2/20/2009, Charles Davis wrote: on Dial-up. [...] 6.37KB/sec Several times in the past few days I have found 'Software Update' downloading something --- who knows what --- I haven't told it to update anything. [No scheduled check for updates.] It's trying to get its own database from Apple, to check if you need anything. I assumed that was what happened during the initial long pause when running 'Software Update'. That database can be VERY large - it includes every package Apple is offering. Anyone care to venture a guess as to what 'Software Update' thinks it's doing. Re-set the schedule (turn it on then turn it off) then initiate a manual check. Let it run until finished. Just ran 'Software Update' from 'Apple' drop down (UL corner of screen). Time taken seems about normal. Download activity didn't seem all that much. The 'Annoying Behavior' download was more data over a longer period of time. Since I was able to 'kill' it, AND it wasn't trying to upload anything, I'll be satisfied just watching for re-occurrences. Thanks for the thoughts. They seem logical, but I don't think tat was what was going on this time. Chuck D. Hopefully it won't get pushy again. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Printing
On Feb 19, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 19, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Charles Davis wrote: the Ethernet address that showed up is 169.254.32.118 This is a self-assigned IP address, an address that the device assigns itself when no other source of addresses, such as bootp or DHCP are present. It's in the Zeroconf (aka Bonjour) networking range, so it SHOULD show up in OSX's local range, but only if the Mac itself is using a Bonjour self-assigned address. Most likely your Mac has an IP address in the 10.n.n.n or 192.168.n.n range, which are assigned by your router. Did you read the manuals? http://www.asante.com/products/CardsAdapters/AsanteTalk.asp See the TroubleShooting guide, see also the FAQ. You may not have the right cabling. Bruce; Thanks for the link. I've downloaded ALL the .pdf information files. The two laser writers that I'm trying with are supposed to work. The StyleWriter II won't. ;-( However there are other hoops to jump through. I'll get there eventually Thanks Chuck D. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Software Update
Very annoying --- problem seen only because I have 'Activity Monitor' running constantly to keep track of data packet speeds. [I'm on Dial- up. It gets quite interesting at times --- ostensible 34667 bps modem handshake report. Actual packet speeds as high as 6.37KB/sec Anyway, the problem Several times in the past few days I have found 'Software Update' downloading something --- who knows what --- I haven't told it to update anything. [No scheduled check for updates.] I know it's 'Software Update', it shows in the Process Name list of Activity Monitor, I also can see the spurious download activity STOP when I kill 'Software Update' from the activity monitor. [Killing Software Update hasn't resulted in any warning messages of any sort.] Anyone care to venture a guess as to what 'Software Update' thinks it's doing. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Software Update -- missing info.
OSX.4.11 all current updates MDD Dual 1.25 G4s Very annoying --- problem seen only because I have 'Activity Monitor' running constantly to keep track of data packet speeds. [I'm on Dial- up. It gets quite interesting at times --- ostensible 34667 bps modem handshake report. Actual packet speeds as high as 6.37KB/sec Anyway, the problem Several times in the past few days I have found 'Software Update' downloading something --- who knows what --- I haven't told it to update anything. [No scheduled check for updates.] I know it's 'Software Update', it shows in the Process Name list of Activity Monitor, I also can see the spurious download activity STOP when I kill 'Software Update' from the activity monitor. [Killing Software Update hasn't resulted in any warning messages of any sort.] Anyone care to venture a guess as to what 'Software Update' thinks it's doing. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Printing
On Feb 19, 2009, at 3:05 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Feb 18, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Charles Davis wrote: ADB = Apple Data Buss, and yes that is a serial connection. [ADB as opposed to RS232, which is also a serial protocol. There's no such thing as an ADB printer AFAIK. You're talking about an Apple Serial printer. The cables are somewhat similar, but different. The ADB is a 4-pin cable, identical to a 4-pin S-video cable. The Apple serial cable is an 8-pin cable unique to Apple serial devices such as printers, modems, etc. I have ben trying 'Stylewriter's and LaserWriters. Nothing successful yet. But I am glad to hear it has worked for others. Perhaps if we knew exactly what you were doing, we could help? You know the default address of the EtherTalk device? O.K. so my memory was confusing things about the connecting cable. the Ethernet address that showed up is 169.254.32.118 Using that as the address information on the printer setup pane is what I've been trying. (to no avail) Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Bondi iMac
On Feb 19, 2009, at 4:57 PM, R. A. Cantrell wrote: Well, now I've gone and done it. I'm trying to fix up a Bondi iMac for a neighbor kid, and it worked just fine till I fixed it. I could not remember to password I had for the admin account, so I just hit it in the head with HD SPeed Tools, thinking that I would then load up a new install of 9.1. Well, now it will not mount any OS from a CD. I've tried the HDST disk again, a generic 9.1 disk, Disk Warrior, and an Apple Hardware test disk. the only one that made any progress was the AHT disk, which started to load, but hung at This Machine Does not support AHT. If I boot and zap p-ram, I get to the Happy Face wanting an OS, but then it will not pick up any of the CD boot volumes and goes from there to an image of a floppy flashing the ?. Any light out there? -- All the best, R.A. Cantrell Have you tried --- Booting in 'Target' mode (via Firewire), and installing from the other machine? Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Bondi iMac
On Feb 19, 2009, at 9:34 PM, R. A. Cantrell wrote: Bondi no got firewire! On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Charles Davis c...@gamewood.net wrote: snip Have you tried --- Booting in 'Target' mode (via Firewire), and installing from the other machine? Chuck D. Sorry, I took a quick look at the iMacs that I am storing [I.E. they are here, but not set up to be usable.] Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Printing
Problem several printers available --- all ADB. Computer has Ethernet, USB. Was going to use a Beige as interface Ethernet/ADB, when, what do I find in my piles of Misc. but an Asante Talk module with Ethernet, ADB, Power connections. Googling 'Asante Talk', says (I think) that I should be able to use it to get from Ethernet to ADB. So far my efforts have not been successful. I think the system has been seeing the printer(s) [several tried]. But no evidence of talking to the printers. Any hints or definite solutions? Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Printing
On Feb 18, 2009, at 10:13 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: On Wednesday, February 18, 2009, at 05:17PM, Charles Davis c...@gamewood.net wrote: Problem several printers available --- all ADB. Computer has Ethernet, USB. Was going to use a Beige as interface Ethernet/ADB, when, what do I find in my piles of Misc. but an Asante Talk module with Ethernet, ADB, Power connections. Googling 'Asante Talk', says (I think) that I should be able to use it to get from Ethernet to ADB. So far my efforts have not been successful. I think the system has been seeing the printer(s) [several tried]. But no evidence of talking to the printers. Any hints or definite solutions? First of all, I believe that you meant serial printers, and not ADB. I have used AsanteTalk serial-to-ethernet and comparable Farallon adapters, which worked very well for LaserWriters and other printers. ADB = Apple Data Buss, and yes that is a serial connection. [ADB as opposed to RS232, which is also a serial protocol.] I have ben trying 'Stylewriter's and LaserWriters. Nothing successful yet. But I am glad to hear it has worked for others. Thanks Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: what happened to the trash crunch noise?
On Feb 13, 2009, at 7:51 PM, MacGuy wrote: for some reason the crunch of the trash went away? here crunchy! here crunchy?hmm.. ideas? Jeff Don't remember exactly where, but someplace among all the things in System Preferences there is a place to specify the 'sound' used for various event notifications. Have fun searching!!! Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
