Re: Quicksilver HD backup problem
Thanks for replying, Yersinia. I appreciate that you bothered. When I referred to the very little was amiss, I meant the computer's own HD showed discrepancies that were truly insignificant in both number and type. Stuff like two files (the same two that have done so for the entire life of the computer) should have been named X and were named Y. I don't think they were red flags at all. On the other hand, I'm hitting my palm to my forehead Homer Simpson- style at your realization (which somehow escaped my densehood entirely) that the HD problem might be not the computer's HD, but that of the backup. I have no idea how this never occurred to me. Maybe it's just the psychology of thinking well, it's my BACKUP, or maybe it's that the backup is still putting its icons on the desktop in a timely manner, showing up in Disk Utility, and starting to back up before the cloning operation then quits. Lots to pursue here. Again, thanks. -- Tony On Jan 11, 10:50 pm, Yersinia yersi...@myfairpoint.net wrote: On 1/11/11 11:28 PM, tonycd wrote: Hi. I have a Quicksilver 2002 G4 with an OWC 1.8 Ghz CPU upgrade. The hard drive is a Seagate Barracude IDE 80 gig drive. It s a few years old, but has gotten only moderate use. The computer is working perfectly, but I m unable to back up the hard drive contents by any of several different methods. I ve tried cloning the HD contents to my external FireWire drive, using both Carbon Copy Cloner and Super Duper. In each case, the clone operation starts but then stalls within a matter of minutes. With CC Cloner, it states at the very beginning of the cloning operation that There may be a physical problem with the disk. When I check the option to continue, it runs for maybe 5-10 minutes, copying maybe 2 gb or so, then freezes. With Super Duper, it starts normally, runs 5-10 minutes, then states that some particular file can t be read or written and freezes. With either program, I can t opt to stop the cloning operation, you can t force-quit the program, and I m forced into a hard restart using the power button. I tried running Disk Warrior, which detected very little out of the ordinary, and Disk Utility, which found very little was amiss with the disk permissions. Neither made any difference, and the cloning attempts still failed. Well, whatever that very little was out of the ordinary and very little was amiss sounds to me like reason(s) why this drive is failing. Do you care to specify what exactly WAS out of the ordinary and even a little bit amiss? The hard drive isn t making any untoward noises, and the computer is operating perfectly normally. But having irreplaceable old Classic apps, family photos and business data at risk makes me really, really nervous. Could the problem be something other than the hard drive? I don't think so. I'm usually the LAST person around here who will suggest that a fellow Lister with a malfunctioning item should go buy another one -- but in this case, I have to suggest it. IMO, your would-be backup drive sounds like it's fried. Dead or dying HDs (either external or internal) don't ALWAYS make weird noises -- the first one that died on me, which was my object backups are important lesson, ate 50,000 words of the novel I was writing with nary a sound or a sign until it was Too Late. A backup system is CRUCIAL -- this is a necessity, not a toy, particularly if you have business data and irreplaceable apps of ANY kind. Oh and BTW, I also just had to get a new external backup drive too -- MINE just dropped dead last week -- had its second failure within three months and I totally freaked! OK at least I had my flash drives but STILL... Finally got the new one in and the QS and Mini are all CCC'ed as of today; will CCC the iBook tomorrow. Hope you resolve this SOON. It's IMPORTANT! ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver HD backup problem
Now that Yersinia's suggested that area, I sure plan to. On Jan 12, 8:50 am, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: Have you tested the FW drive? Larry Eden Hi. I have a Quicksilver 2002 G4 with an OWC 1.8 Ghz CPU upgrade. The hard drive is a Seagate Barracude IDE 80 gig drive. It's a few years old, but has gotten only moderate use. The computer is working perfectly, but I'm unable to back up the hard drive contents by any of several different methods. I've tried cloning the HD contents to my external FireWire drive, using both Carbon Copy Cloner and Super Duper. In each case, the clone operation starts but then stalls within a matter of minutes. With CC Cloner, it states at the very beginning of the cloning operation that There may be a physical problem with the disk. When I check the option to continue, it runs for maybe 5-10 minutes, copying maybe 2 gb or so, then freezes. With Super Duper, it starts normally, runs 5-10 minutes, then states that some particular file can't be read or written and freezes. With either program, I can't opt to stop the cloning operation, you can't force-quit the program, and I'm forced into a hard restart using the power button. I tried running Disk Warrior, which detected very little out of the ordinary, and Disk Utility, which found very little was amiss with the disk permissions. Neither made any difference, and the cloning attempts still failed. I then tried something short of a full cloning operation, erasing the partition of the external FW drive and then trying to spot-paste the System folder onto it. This promptly choked as well. The one operation that succeeded was that I was able to burn a half- gig or so of files onto a DVD, using the internal burner, without incident. The hard drive isn't making any untoward noises, and the computer is operating perfectly normally. But having irreplaceable old Classic apps, family photos and business data at risk makes me really, really nervous. Probably the best suggestion I've heard so far is to use my MacBook Pro to copy this computer's HD contents by putting the G4 in target disk mode (though I'll have to buy a FW 400 to FW 800 cable to try it), on the theory that it will allow the MacBook Pro to do the heavy lifting. As for me, I know nothing. Could the problem be something other than the hard drive? Thoughts? Theories? Suggestions? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver HD backup problem
Updates: TechTool Deluxe was unable to see my external FireWire drive for purposes of a surface scan. However, my computer was still able to not only see all three partitions of the external drive, it was able to open one of them (backed up from a different Tiger Mac) and boot up a game from it. Whatever that means. I download Test Disk but found it documentation-free and incomprehensible for someone who's Linux- and Terminal-illiterate as I am. Duh, Tony -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver HD backup problem
Further update: TechTool Deluxe reported that my internal hard drive passed the surface scan test for bad blocks. --Tony -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Quicksilver HD backup problem
Hi. I have a Quicksilver 2002 G4 with an OWC 1.8 Ghz CPU upgrade. The hard drive is a Seagate Barracude IDE 80 gig drive. It’s a few years old, but has gotten only moderate use. The computer is working perfectly, but I’m unable to back up the hard drive contents by any of several different methods. I’ve tried cloning the HD contents to my external FireWire drive, using both Carbon Copy Cloner and Super Duper. In each case, the clone operation starts but then stalls within a matter of minutes. With CC Cloner, it states at the very beginning of the cloning operation that “There may be a physical problem with the disk.” When I check the option to continue, it runs for maybe 5-10 minutes, copying maybe 2 gb or so, then freezes. With Super Duper, it starts normally, runs 5-10 minutes, then states that some particular file “can’t be read or written” and freezes. With either program, I can’t opt to “stop” the cloning operation, you can’t force-quit the program, and I’m forced into a hard restart using the power button. I tried running Disk Warrior, which detected very little out of the ordinary, and Disk Utility, which found very little was amiss with the disk permissions. Neither made any difference, and the cloning attempts still failed. I then tried something short of a full cloning operation, erasing the partition of the external FW drive and then trying to spot-paste the System folder onto it. This promptly choked as well. The one operation that succeeded was that I was able to burn a half- gig or so of files onto a DVD, using the internal burner, without incident. The hard drive isn’t making any untoward noises, and the computer is operating perfectly normally. But having irreplaceable old Classic apps, family photos and business data at risk makes me really, really nervous. Probably the best suggestion I’ve heard so far is to use my MacBook Pro to copy this computer’s HD contents by putting the G4 in “target disk mode” (though I’ll have to buy a FW 400 to FW 800 cable to try it), on the theory that it will allow the MacBook Pro to “do the heavy lifting.” As for me, I know nothing. Could the problem be something other than the hard drive? Thoughts? Theories? Suggestions? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD bad RAM 3 beeps: I'm feeling even dumber than usual
Update: Started to test parts, using the good machine as a test mule. First, tested the RAM sticks from the two bad MDDs (faster 2700 RAM from the 1.25 GB, slower whatever from the bad 867) in the good 867. All tested good. Then, tested the now-known-good RAM in the slots of the bad 867 (with the known-good 1.25 GB CPU in it). Tested all combinations of RAM slots: 14, 23, 13, 24, 12, 34, 1 only, 2 only, 3 only, and 4 only. All came up bad, interrupted chime and 3 beeps. Tested the now-known-good 2700 RAM in the slots of the 1.25 GB machine. Cut-off chime but no 3 beeps, power light stayed on and fan stayed running but no display, hard drive might have been spinning but it was hard to tell over the fan vibration (this was with the case open for observation purposes). Swapped in a known-good hard drive loaded with Tiger from a Smurf. Same, except the power light immediately winked off and stayed off. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD bad RAM 3 beeps: I'm feeling even dumber than usual
First, Bill, thank you for reply at all. I see you're the only one with the courage to wade into this mess. To clarify where things stand now: •One 867 works perfectly. •The 1.25 used to boot and run, except it didn't recognize its DVD drive. Now it gives the 3 beeps. •The other 867 used to give the 3 beeps. Now it does nothing but run its fan. No chime, no beeps, no power-on light. After about 10 seconds, the fan switches to Tornado mode and stays there. Your suggestion about using the good machine as a test bed for parts seems like a very smart one. Thanks. On Jan 24, 10:33 pm, Bill Christensen billc_li...@greenbuilder.com wrote: At 1:19 PM -0800 1/24/10, tonycd wrote: I loaded all the 512s from the two 867 machines into one of them, chosen pretty much at random, since I needed one machine more urgently than two. Eventually, after some stumbling around, this turned out to be a sweet-running (if somewhat noisy) Mac that's now being enjoyed by my son. Ok, let me get this straight: Of the three machines, the 1.25 was working other than the DVD drive, plus you got one 867 working for your son. The third one is comatose? Or is the 1.25 also not booting? Or you somehow managed to fubar both 867s? In short, what works? The other two, though, are another matter. Eventually, I punted and started swapping around both RAM cards and CPUs. I had two old and small RAM cards, four newer 2700-speed 512 RAM cards, one older/slower CPU card, and one newer/faster CPU card. In the course of ineptly testing the slower machine, I ran it for about 30 seconds without the heat sink on the 867 card. Bye-bye 867 card. (Yes, I know. Dumb.) Now I have the faster CPU, both chassis, both machines' hard drives with Tiger on them after the previous owner wiped them and reinstalled the OS, a CD drive, a DVD drive of unknown condition, and the aforementioned proven-good RAM cards. Current state: Both machines, when fitted with the remaining CPU and either hard drive, give the interrupted chime and 3 beeps that is supposed to mean all the RAM is bad. I did the pencil eraser and shove 'em in real good drill. Makes no difference whatsover. I'm just about the point of recycling the whole mess. I'll be happy to provide recycling service for you. I won't even charge you for shipping ;-) What I'd do is to take the RAM out of your son's working 867 and, one at a time, put the bad RAM in and see if it boots. If they're all testing good there, then you can start putting them in the non-working 867 (one at a time) to see if you can get it to boot. Don't forget to hit the CUDA switch. Or whatever it's called these days. If they all work in your son's 867 and not in the other, there's a possibility that you have a problem with the RAM slots. You might also try swapping the bad 867 processor into the working machine to see if you *really did* cook it. It seems to me that it could have survived 30 seconds without smoking, but then again I wasn't there - use your own judgement on whether it's worth testing. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://Calendar.SustainableSources.com Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: FYI: Lite-On iHAP422 CD/DVD drive won't fit in MDD.
Just to clarify: By door, my original post meant what a later poster more accurately called the bezel on the front of the tray. I was saying that after the drive was installed, the bezel on the front of the tray would not move through the provided hole in the MDD faceplate. Yes, the drive as a whole must be installed from behind, which I did. Sorry for any misunderstandings. On Jan 10, 3:22 am, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Re: FYI: Lite-On iHAP422 CD/DVD drive won't fit in MDD. Date: Samstag 09 Januar 2010N From: Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com To: g3-5-l...@googlegroups.com I was able to remove the front bezel off the Smurf tower and install a DVD-ROM into my Blue White G3 without removing the drive's front bezel, if that's good for anything... :) In the MDD you don't remove the front bezel, you open it up and remove the drive cage, so the drive is installed from the inside. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
FYI: Lite-On iHAP422 CD/DVD drive won't fit in MDD.
Door is too wide to fit through the MDD faceplate, even after elaborate surgery. Back to Pioneer. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Annoying on-screen windows after startup
Kris, an excellent suggestion, and I thank you for it. Unfortunately, to my own surprise, that wasn't the problem in this case. Kasey, this happens after the OS boots. It puts them on the otherwise normal desktop, just as they'd be if I actually wanted them there. Except I... uh... er... don't. On Dec 30, 3:08 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Dec 30, 2009, at 1:10 PM, tonycd wrote: Having these two windows congest the screen on every start is annoying. How do I snuff them? A good place to start is to go to System PreferencesAccounts and highlight the ~user account and go to Login Items to see what applications daemons are launching at login. Likely you'll see the OS 9 classic program listed. You highlight any you don't want and use the - button to delete them from the Login Item startup list. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Annoying on-screen windows after startup
My son's Blue White is running Tiger and Classic. Every time he boots up, two windows appear on the screen. One is named My Computer and has icons for all the drives, internal and external. The other is an OS 9 window (Classic does not boot up when the machine does) for the OS 9 software that operates an old scanner he recently got. Having these two windows congest the screen on every start is annoying. How do I snuff them? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: A pretty basic video card question
Wow, this answer is awesomely comprehensive. Thanks, Kris (and Michael and Kasey)! --Tony On Dec 23, 7:38 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Dec 23, 2009, at 7:20 PM, tonycd wrote: Can I run the Radeon 9000 in the AGP slot and my 7000 in a PCI slot at the same time? Yes. You can use them both together. There's a chance that the 7000 PCI will kill the Quartz Extreme acceleration of the 9000 also. You can check if QE is working by using Quartz Extreme Check 1.2: http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/8969/quartz-extreme-check You can enable QE on the PCI 7000 card (and this will should re-enable the 9000 if it stopped) using PCI Extreme 3.1 available at MacUpdate.com: http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/8979/pci-extreme%21 One last thought, firmware. People seem to never remember to keep their firmware current on their Radeon cards. You can check the firmware revision in System Profiler. The 7000 should be v.226 and the 9000 should be v.135 or v.136 depending upon the VRAM size. The August 2005 ATI ROM firmware Update is here: http://applemacanix.com/drivers.htm -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Making a USB mic work with GarageBand
Hi. Just bought an Audio Technica AT2020 USB microphone for my son's Power Mac running 10.4 Tiger and GarageBand 2.0. As the name suggests, it has an USB connector instead of the usual round plug. The microphone powers up, shows up in System Preferences, and works with some software. But it doesn't work with GarageBand, the application we bought it for. A friend said we need an external interface between the mic and the computer. (I think he didn't know that the mic was USB.) I thought maybe the Griffin iMic might do the job, but I guess its whole purpose is to accept round-plug inputs and turn them into USB outputs, so it misses the point. So, I need some other product that accepts USB on the input side as well as the output side? Or, is there a software solution that will make this microphone play nice? Thanks, Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
Weird Epilogue: Talked to the ATT Tier Two support people (the competent ones they diligently try to keep you from reaching). Ultimately, he concluded that for some reason, Thunderbird wasn't recognizing the presence of my username and therefore was internally rejecting my username/password combination. Eventually I correctly guessed why. For some reason, a few years ago another Tier Two rep fixed a connection problem by changing the username in my email client from (myname)@sbcglobal.net, to (myname) %sbcglobal.net. Counterintuitive to me, but it worked with it and it didn't work without it. Now, for whatever reason, it didn't work until it was changed back to @. Apparently Thunderbird looked for the properly spelled username with @, didn't find it, figured the username was incorrect, and generated the boilerplate error message. At least for the moment, instant fix. Thank you again, Dan, for all your help. The transcript of this discussion speeded the diagnostic process considerably. Gracias, Tony On Oct 14, 11:47 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 6:17 PM -0700 10/13/2009, tonycd wrote: 2 adsl-99-144-239-254.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net (99.144.239.254) 17.870 ms 16.665 ms 25.795 ms [etc] Ok It's not Thunderbird - if the prefs etc were foo, it would be failing all the time. It's not your DNS - that translation (the dig) was good. It's not your path to Yahoo's servers - the traceroute is ok. That brings us back to the original error message: The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. I just hit that SMTP server cluster directly, using telnet. Most of my attempt succeeded in connecting and getting the server's first response. But quite a few failed! So the problem is Yahoo's server is refusing connections now and then. This is the type of thing that Yahoo should have noticed and fixed fairly quickly. but sigh. At this point the best thing to do would be for you to send a message to your ISP. Give them that error message. Tell them that DNS lookups and a traceroute seems fine - that the problem is that the server itself is not always responding. Because this is a contracted/outsourced service, it may take a while to fix... IN the mean time You might want to switch to a more reliable provider. My fav these days is Gmail... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
Dan, here's what I got this time (front matter removed): 1 * * * 2 adsl-99-144-239-254.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net (99.144.239.254) 17.870 ms 16.665 ms 25.795 ms 3 68.250.251.66 (68.250.251.66) 16.751 ms 17.509 ms 18.209 ms 4 bb2-g9-0.emhril.sbcglobal.net (151.164.94.164) 18.060 ms 17.930 ms 17.054 ms 5 151.164.38.214 (151.164.38.214) 39.558 ms 39.804 ms 39.934 ms 6 asn10310-yahoo-10g.eqabva.sbcglobal.net (151.164.249.50) 39.127 ms 39.118 ms 39.039 ms 7 as-0.pat2.che.yahoo.com (216.115.101.145) 70.536 ms 63.913 ms 70.359 ms 8 as-2.pat1.dax.yahoo.com (216.115.96.60) 78.934 ms 71.652 ms 71.327 ms 9 ae-3.pat2.dax.yahoo.com (216.115.102.137) 70.393 ms 71.356 ms 121.713 ms 10 ae1-p111.msr2.mud.yahoo.com (216.115.104.103) 121.093 ms 65.220 ms ae2-p111.msr2.mud.yahoo.com (216.115.104.111) 72.851 ms 11 te-6-2.fab2-a-gdc.mud.yahoo.com (209.191.78.153) 71.250 ms te-8-2.fab2-a-gdc.mud.yahoo.com (209.191.78.157) 71.316 ms te-8-2.fab1-a-gdc.mud.yahoo.com (209.191.78.149) 71.387 ms 12 unknown-209-191-78-163.yahoo.com (209.191.78.163) 72.304 ms unknown-209-191-78-165.yahoo.com (209.191.78.165) 65.536 ms unknown-209-191-78-163.yahoo.com (209.191.78.163) 65.671 ms 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * *^C No improvement in the last few days, by the way. Gracias, Tony On Oct 13, 10:11 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 7:51 PM -0700 10/12/2009, tonycd wrote: ;; ANSWER SECTION: smtp.att.yahoo.com. 806 IN CNAME smtp- sbc.mail.yahoo.com. smtp-sbc.mail.yahoo.com. 186IN CNAME smtp.sbc.mail.fy4.b.yahoo.com. smtp.sbc.mail.fy4.b.yahoo.com. 199 IN A 66.196.96.87 smtp.sbc.mail.fy4.b.yahoo.com. 199 IN A 68.142.229.42 ;; Query time: 36 msec Looks good. That means Thuderbird is finding the correct server. Tony-(Lastname)s-Computer-2:~ t(lastname)$ traceroute smtp.att.yahoo.com You need to hit return after that last command so it executes. How have things been this past weekend - any more or less reliable? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
Dan, here's what Terminal showed me. The only change: my last name is replaced here with the parenthetical expression (Lastname). Thanks, Tony Last login: Mon Oct 12 20:23:48 on console Welcome to Darwin! Tony-(Lastname)s-Computer-2:~ t(lastname)$ dig smtp.att.yahoo.com ; DiG 9.3.6-APPLE-P2 smtp.att.yahoo.com ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 7598 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 4, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;smtp.att.yahoo.com.IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: smtp.att.yahoo.com. 806 IN CNAME smtp- sbc.mail.yahoo.com. smtp-sbc.mail.yahoo.com. 186IN CNAME smtp.sbc.mail.fy4.b.yahoo.com. smtp.sbc.mail.fy4.b.yahoo.com. 199 IN A 66.196.96.87 smtp.sbc.mail.fy4.b.yahoo.com. 199 IN A 68.142.229.42 ;; Query time: 36 msec ;; SERVER: 10.0.1.1#53(10.0.1.1) ;; WHEN: Mon Oct 12 21:48:24 2009 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 130 Tony-(Lastname)s-Computer-2:~ t(lastname)$ traceroute smtp.att.yahoo.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Creeping failure to send emails
I have ATT DSL, connected by wire to a Quicksilver running Tiger and wirelessly via AirPort Graphite to a MacBook running Leopard. Both use Thunderbird for email. In recent days, both machines are having increasing trouble sending emails. At first, you'd fail on the first one or two attempts and then succeed. Now, you fail about 6+ times before a success. (Receiving, and browsing, both work fine.) I'd think this suggests a corrupt prefs file, but I'm hesitant to start wiping out preference files left and right, since I'm frankly not sophisticated enough to restore them. I do have a recent backup of both machines' configurations on an external hard disk, but I also have better ways to spend my Sunday than bumbling around ignorantly at the business of incompetent file replacement. What's this sound like to you eminent minds out there? Thanks, Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
In case this helps, the failure message says: Send Message Error Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
In case this helps, the failure message says: Send Message Error Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
I apologize for the repeat posts. They're purely accidental, and I think they happen because I hit return or refresh at the wrong time. Listmom, feel free to delete the repeaters. On Oct 11, 11:05 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:58 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: In case this helps, the failure message says: Send Message Error Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator. Sounds like a network or server problem. Make sure the name of the server is smtp.att.yahoo.com, not just smtp.att.yahoo. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
Dan, pardon my ignorance, but where do I look for that? In Thunderbird? In System Prefs? On Oct 11, 11:05 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:58 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: In case this helps, the failure message says: Send Message Error Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator. Sounds like a network or server problem. Make sure the name of the server is smtp.att.yahoo.com, not just smtp.att.yahoo. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
It's pop.att.yahoo.com, same as it's been for years. On Oct 11, 12:07 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 9:50 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: On Oct 11, 11:05 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:58 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: Sending of message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your SMTP server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator. Sounds like a network or server problem. Make sure the name of the server is smtp.att.yahoo.com, not just smtp.att.yahoo. where do I look for that? In Thunderbird? In System Prefs? In Thunderbird. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Creeping failure to send emails
Thank you for straightening me out on that, Dan. Thank goodness somebody here knows what they're talking about, since I certainly don't. The SMTP address is exactly as you specified it: smtp.att.yahoo.com . What would be the next most likely suspect here? Thanks again, Tony On Oct 11, 12:55 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 10:18 AM -0700 10/11/2009, tonycd wrote: It's pop.att.yahoo.com, same as it's been for years. The POP server is for *receiving* mail. SMTP is for *sending*. It's the SMTP server you need to check -- smtp.att.yahoo.com - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hp printer quit printing
Kris, I don't know either. I do remember that a long long time ago, Epson was the last word in Mac-friendly printers -- is that no longer true? --Tony On Jul 27, 5:47 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: I think your advise to buy a new printer is good advise, but I don't know what to buy? I suspect Korean laser printers perhaps? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Gamepad's Age Established Through Carbon Dating
Thanks, Bruce. And sorry, Alex. ;.) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GarageBand is in pieces on the garage floor
I did an Archive and Install, but I didn't have much foresight. Once I saw that the OS itself was working properly, I ditched the old OS to save disk space (it's only a 30 GB hard drive). Thank you, though, for ideas much smarter than I am. On Jun 28, 8:34 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 28, 2009, at 9:29 AM, tonycd wrote: Hi. I just upgraded my son's Smurf from 10.3 to 10.4.9. His GarageBand 2.0.2 got broken in the transition. It still boots up the program, but gives a message that the Loops (housed in a folder within Library) are missing. Did you do an Archive and Install? Then the Garage band stuff from /Library is in the /Previous Systems folder on the Smurf. Just move it back. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
GarageBand is in pieces on the garage floor
Hi. I just upgraded my son's Smurf from 10.3 to 10.4.9. His GarageBand 2.0.2 got broken in the transition. It still boots up the program, but gives a message that the Loops (housed in a folder within Library) are missing. I have another machine with the same version of GarageBand, so I transplanted the Loops folder. All of GarageBand's other visible parts were present and accounted for. However, his Mac still gives the message that the Loops are missing. I understand that Unix-based programs, unlike Classic ones, have invisible files that are essential, so I'm not really shocked that this didn't work. But I still want it to. I have 2.0.2 as part of a set of 10.3 install CDs, and I have Pacifist. But for some reason, his burner won't spin up Install Disk #1. I'd think maybe it was because it refuses to downgrade, but my Quicksilver with Tiger will spin them. I also have GarageBand 4.1 (system requirement: 10.4.9) on a set of Leopard install DVDs, but his internal burner reads only CDs. I feel like I have all the parts, but am lacking some sort of ingenuity to solve this. Thoughts? Thanks, Tony PS: Recently I double- and triple-posted a couple of replies to my own thread. This was accidental (I didn't realize I was re-posting when I hit Refresh to view updates to the page), and I apologize for the annoying results. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GarageBand is in pieces on the garage floor
Thanks for the excellent suggestions, Kris. Unfortunately, it appears I'm too dim to enact any of them. Lacking even an iPod or flash drive, what I tried was to transfer the files via my external FireWire backup hard drive. The problem I had was that I can't figure out how to use Pacifist to transfer a package in installable form, as a package. The only choices it seemingly gives me are 1) to install the program in the same machine that has the CD/ DVD drive, or 2) to extract the files into a set of folders that are collected in one folder, but don't work as an installable program. Pacifist also seems unable to separate a single .mpkg, only to extract or install it. Absurd as it sounds, the only option I could figure was to copy the ENTIRE install DVDs into my backup drive as disk images, in the hope that the receiving machine's Pacifist could install them. I spent all the time to copy them, then for the recipient Smurf to read them, only to find that Pacifist wouldn't install them on the recipient machine -- it would only deposit them as an extracted set of folders. Which is useless. I think I'm screwed. Or more accurately, my son is. Sigh. On Jun 28, 2:00 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: As I said, surely you can improvise a solution here. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates
Hi. Just upgraded a Blue White G3 (Radeon PCI 7000, 1.0 GB G3, 768 RAM) from 10.3 to 10.4. The upgrade went seamlessly. But when I followed up with a 10.4.11 Combo Updater from CD (freshly burned from Apple.com), the red X appeared over my hard drive with a message that you can't install OS X on this disk. ?! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates
Specifically chose the PPC version. Don't have the net -- it's a kids' computer, and it's connected via a wireless card (non-Apple, from Headgap) that taps into the house's AirPort network. The software's not recognizing the card -- I think maybe the update itself kayoed the software (Realtek Wireless LAN). On Jun 24, 2:01 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:40 AM, tonycd wrote: Hi. Just upgraded a Blue White G3 (Radeon PCI 7000, 1.0 GB G3, 768 RAM) from 10.3 to 10.4. The upgrade went seamlessly. But when I followed up with a 10.4.11 Combo Updater from CD (freshly burned from Apple.com), the red X appeared over my hard drive with a message that you can't install OS X on this disk. Are you positive you got the PPC combo updater? There are both Intel and PPC versions. Any reason you're not letting Software Update do it over the net? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates
Specifically chose the PPC version. Don't have the net -- it's a kids' computer, and it's connected via a wireless card (non-Apple, from Headgap) that taps into the house's AirPort network. The software's not recognizing the card -- I think maybe the update itself kayoed the software (Realtek Wireless LAN). On Jun 24, 2:01 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:40 AM, tonycd wrote: Hi. Just upgraded a Blue White G3 (Radeon PCI 7000, 1.0 GB G3, 768 RAM) from 10.3 to 10.4. The upgrade went seamlessly. But when I followed up with a 10.4.11 Combo Updater from CD (freshly burned from Apple.com), the red X appeared over my hard drive with a message that you can't install OS X on this disk. Are you positive you got the PPC combo updater? There are both Intel and PPC versions. Any reason you're not letting Software Update do it over the net? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates
Specifically chose the PPC version. Don't have the net -- it's a kids' computer, and it's connected via a wireless card (non-Apple, from Headgap) that taps into the house's AirPort network. The software's not recognizing the card -- I think maybe the update itself kayoed the software (Realtek Wireless LAN). On Jun 24, 2:01 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:40 AM, tonycd wrote: Hi. Just upgraded a Blue White G3 (Radeon PCI 7000, 1.0 GB G3, 768 RAM) from 10.3 to 10.4. The upgrade went seamlessly. But when I followed up with a 10.4.11 Combo Updater from CD (freshly burned from Apple.com), the red X appeared over my hard drive with a message that you can't install OS X on this disk. Are you positive you got the PPC combo updater? There are both Intel and PPC versions. Any reason you're not letting Software Update do it over the net? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates
Specifically chose the PPC version. Don't have the net -- it's a kids' computer, and it's connected via a wireless card (non-Apple, from Headgap) that taps into the house's AirPort network. The software's not recognizing the card -- I think maybe the update itself kayoed the software (Realtek Wireless LAN). On Jun 24, 2:01 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:40 AM, tonycd wrote: Hi. Just upgraded a Blue White G3 (Radeon PCI 7000, 1.0 GB G3, 768 RAM) from 10.3 to 10.4. The upgrade went seamlessly. But when I followed up with a 10.4.11 Combo Updater from CD (freshly burned from Apple.com), the red X appeared over my hard drive with a message that you can't install OS X on this disk. Are you positive you got the PPC combo updater? There are both Intel and PPC versions. Any reason you're not letting Software Update do it over the net? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates
I'll check the Network preference pane. Later today, when I get back there. I agree about re-installing the Realtek client software. Of course, if it doesn't run under Tiger, I guess I'm in deeper doo-doo than I figured...but let's cross that doo-doo bridge when we come to it. Did you open System PreferenceNetwork to be sure the Realtek wireless port has been detected? You may need to reinstall the Realtek software, and also if the connection requires a wireless utility you may need to launch the utility manually if it's not automatically launching. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Smurf won't let me install Tiger updates
I'll check the Network preference pane. Later today, when I get back there. I agree about re-installing the Realtek client software. Of course, if it doesn't run under Tiger, I guess I'm in deeper doo-doo than I figured...but let's cross that doo-doo bridge when we come to it. Did you open System PreferenceNetwork to be sure the Realtek wireless port has been detected? You may need to reinstall the Realtek software, and also if the connection requires a wireless utility you may need to launch the utility manually if it's not automatically launching. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dell 24 monitor on sale for $219--good deal or no?
Not that good. I recently got a Hanns-G 22 for $160 (Newegg, I think), and it's just spectacular. Samsung, which seems to be at or near the gold standard in this category, is also showing up well under $200 at Costco. I almost wish I'd waited. Be sure you need all 24 inches -- 22 is really big. Compared to my old 17-inch CRT, it feels like home theater. On Jun 20, 1:17 am, mark ray bluellama...@embarqmail.com wrote: Here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/6pja7n. Does Dell make good quality monitors? Anybody got one of these, and can report on it? Tom Can't speak to the quality of this specific model. I do have the DELL 2405FPW and I am very happy with it, been 3-4 years and not a problem. I paid about $450, I got a deal then. mark ray bluellama...@embarqmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4.0
A question for our illuminati: Do I remember correctly that Safari 4 and Camino use a similar underlying engine? And if so, does that mean they are roughly comparable in speed and overall performance? (Vested interest: I'm not anxious to ditch Camino. I'm used to it, and I like the idea of using a browser that hackers aren't thinking about.) --Tony PS: Notice that by simply obliterating all other messages entirely, I've deftly satisfied the top-poster and bottom-poster factions at the same time. :.) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4.0
Anyone else having the same problem I'm having? Tiger keeps giving me the (seemingly) same Safari updater every time I boot, every day for about the last 2 weeks. 19.1 MB in size, if memory (mine, not my Quicksilver's) serves. I run it, but it keeps coming back anyway. --Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can Camino bookmarks be exported into Safari 4?
Thanks, Ernest. This worked. All Bookmarks, by the way, doesn't work with Camino. Hi Tony; Try this: From Camino export Bookmarks to Desktop. Use Safari to Import file from Desktop. HTH, ErnieG --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Can Camino bookmarks be exported into Safari 4?
I tried and failed to find a way with Safari 3. Thanks as always, Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can Camino bookmarks be exported into Safari 4?
Ernie, it grays out Safari -- whether it's running or not -- so I can't choose it in the Where box. No idea why. --Tony Camino 1.6.7 Safari 4 (which Software Update keeps trying to serve with the same 19 mb update over and over...?) 10.4.11 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DiskWarrior will not run after Applejack ran.
Which is why my original suggestion may have been germane to his problem. 3.0 is not trustworthy with OS X 10.4.11, but 3.0.3 is. On May 28, 3:46 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On May 28, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Jonas Lopez wrote: The solution is to by a modern version of Disk Earrior, which comes on a bootable CD. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DiskWarrior will not run after Applejack ran.
I have 10.4.11 on a Power Mac. I had Disk Warrior 3, and they'll let you upgrade online to 3.0.3 in a way that lets you burn a physical disk for your own use. (I don't remember whether it's cheap or free. If I had to guess, probably the former.) --Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4
My question is, why does he need the disks at all? If the issue is having a disaster backup, he's better off making a backup of his whole hard drive. That doesn't require a copy of the OS, it takes a backup disk drive and a copy of Carbon Copy Cloner donationware/freeware instead. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Okay, once I've built my iWeb site, how do I post it?
It's about 10 short, canned pages, lifted straight from one of the iWeb templates. One or two photos per page. It's intended to help me sell my house. On Apr 3, 10:28 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 5:46 PM -0700 4/2/2009, tonycd wrote: What kind of web site is it? If it's just personal stuff, and relatively small, you can stash it on your ISP's server, or on a service like Dropbox. If it's large or commercial, you'll need to buy space somewhere. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Okay, once I've built my iWeb site, how do I post it?
I'm not opposed to fun. I'm not even averse to fun writing code. But time is a definite issue, including the time it takes to surmount a learning curve. Right now, I don't have enough of it. Thanks to all who've generously offered their advice. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Okay, once I've built my iWeb site, how do I post it?
Get a .mac membership? Any other way? If my ISP provides a page for free, is there a way for me to use it? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What is the point of Mail.app??
I've used Thunderbird ever since I moved from Classic and couldn't use Netscape Navigator's email anymore. I liked that I didn't have to relearn a new interface, and Mail didn't have that good a reputation back then. Now there's two things I'd need to know to switch to Apple's app: 1) Can it be configured in the familiar T-shape of Netscape Mail, Thunderbird (or, God forbid, the MS products)? 2) Is it relatively safe from criminals? It's obviously a more desirable target than a less popular product like Thunderbird, much as Camino (another of my Mozilla faves) has fewer idiots gunning for it than Safari. --Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Slightly OT: The weirdest computer cleaning question ever
No, this I do know. I've used the Magic Eraser product repeatedly, and it definitely works solely through solvent action -- not abrasion. On Mar 25, 11:09 am, Cyrus Griffin callmemrp...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pretty sure they work simply by using a very fine grit, so they're like sand paper. I've never seen any warnings on the box, so I think whoever told you that may be mistaken. Maybe there are some brands that do use chemicals... I think the Scotch ones are best, they have a blue side for wiping off the grit left by the white sanding side. Cyrus Griffin Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ On Mar 24, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: We buy cleaning supplies at a place here in town and they told us that there are harsh chemicals in the foam erasers that give them their cleaning power. It really isn't good for you hands. -Jonas On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Cyrus Griffin callmemrp...@gmail.com wrote: It's true! They also are great for taking scuff marks off Macs. (But not with smooth plastics, like the iMacs) I use them all the time, never use gloves not sure why you would need to. It might not work very well on cement, however, which is what I believe he was trying to remove the stain from... You could sure try, however! Cyrus Griffin Hobbittech.com Mac Specialist - Low Cost Mac Services in AZ On Mar 23, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: Try Mr. Clean Magic Foam Erasers. Those things clean everything up. Just make sure you use rubber gloves. -Jonas On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Steve R mailing.lists.2...@gmail.com wrote: At 7:49 AM -0700 3/23/09, Mel posted: Is this product sold in the states (USA)? The link shows only Canadian stores. Mel solution with australian tea tree oil in it -- Home Hardware's Natura spray cleaner -- and discovered that the day old coffee stain wasn't the only thing it wiped from the desk. The set-in ink stain disappeared too. http://www.homehardware.ca/Products/index/show/product/I4580929/name/... http://www.homehardware.ca/Products/index/show/product/I4580929/name/... I'm sure the reason the cleaner works is because of the main ingredient, australian tee tree oil, so I'd imagine similar products are being sold in the US. (I've also found it works great on shower enclosures and glass, lime scale and removing coffee stains from a rug. It 'almost' removed black marker and probably will next time around or if I can find someone who hasn't torn both rotator cuffs to do the scrubbing.) My sister's friend turned me on to it because the strokes have lessened my strength and I needed a stronger cleaner. Steve R --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
MacDeath? Magazine's good-sounding advice goes bad
The new issue of MacLife advises: The terminal is your friend. (Use the) key combo: diskutil secureErase freespace 3 /Volumes/Macintosh HD Securely erases data on the free space of a Mac hard drive called Macintosh HD (you would replace Macintosh HD wiht the name of the drive you wish to erase, of course). I followed this advice. Now when I run Get Info on my hard drive, it says this: Capacity: 74.41 GB Available: 1.2 MB Used: 74.4 GB on disk Inside the root-level folder Users, the folder that bears my name (it has a home icon on it -- I'm the administrator, of course) says it has 51 GB in it. But the sum of the visible contents is less than one- fifth of that figure. What gives? And what next? Do I have to transfer all my disk contents to my backup drive, then back again, to fix this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MacDeath? Magazine's good-sounding advice goes bad
Mystery solved (and at the same time, deepened): After making the above post, I tried to make space by trashing one 1 GB item. I hit Empty trash, and in an eyeblink, it emptied the trash and changed its display to 40 GB available. Wow. Glad there's no crisis, but does anyone out there understand what just happened? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MacDeath? Magazine's good-sounding advice goes bad
No. All they said was to refer to a couple of the other articles they'd previously run on Terminal usage. I'm sure the warnings can be found there, but that's a pretty mild note of caution in my book. As for the erasure of the temp file, I think it was interrupted by Energy Saver. The log I saw in Terminal upon returning to the machine suggested it had written over the data 30 times first, which obviously is plenty. While I love Terminal - use it all the time... I'm not sure why MacLife would send you to Terminal, risking fateful typos etc, to do what you can do safely from Disk Utility. Did the magazine at least STRONGLY recommend that you run full backups first? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Slightly OT: The weirdest computer cleaning question ever
I used to have an Epson Stylus Color 740 hooked up to my Mac. It was loud, slow, and in the brilliant words of another owner's post, kept on cleaning itself like a cat. But I liked it enough to keep it around in my basement, even when I got a new HP almost free as an adjunct to a new Mac purchase. Problem was, my basement flooded. Being naive in the ways of flooded printers, I picked it up and promptly dumped out a biblical flood of water fouled with black inkjet ink all over my concrete floor. There it soaked into the porous concrete and dried, leaving blobs of black. Now I need to sell the place. I know there's nothing wrong with the floor, but I can't expect anyone else to know that. A Google search on cleaning up inkjet ink turned up every suggestion from water to bleach to alcohol to ammonia. I interpret this to mean that nobody has the faintest idea, short of explosives. Any suggestions? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 20-22 monitors: Seeking advice recommendations
Quicksilver 1.6 GHz, Tiger, Radeon 9700. One other question: Does it change performance much whether I connect it via the analog inputs or the newfangled digital ones? On Mar 20, 11:42 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Mar 20, 2009, at 9:21 PM, tonycd wrote: My old 17 CRT still works fine, but I'm getting greedy at home for the same convenient screen real estate I have at the office (I often need to display two Word docs at once). I see 22 monitors for $140 that sound pretty good. I am VEEEY price-sensitive, and this is like the sirens singing to me. I also read that one monitor advertised it was Windows Vista-ready and had the drivers for that OS. (Drivers? For a monitor?) More than likely this is color profiles for the monitor. a question I never even thought of: are some LCDs incompatible with OS X? None as far as I know. Whether features such as autorotation work (flipping it from landscape to portrait orientation) is dependent on the vide drivers, not the monitor. You don't mention what computer you have, and what video card you have...there are monitors on the market today that won't work with some of the very old Video cards in the earliest OS X compatible computers. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
20-22 monitors: Seeking advice recommendations
My old 17 CRT still works fine, but I'm getting greedy at home for the same convenient screen real estate I have at the office (I often need to display two Word docs at once). I see 22 monitors for $140 that sound pretty good. I am VEEEY price-sensitive, and this is like the sirens singing to me. I also read that one monitor advertised it was Windows Vista-ready and had the drivers for that OS. (Drivers? For a monitor?) This raised a question I never even thought of: are some LCDs incompatible with OS X? Thanks as always, Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: BW with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards
How did you disable it, Lawrence? On Mar 15, 8:44 am, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: I know this tune all too well, having just played it recently... I finally disabled the Keyboard Assistant that came with Tiger. I got tired of being nagged by the Assistant and I noticed that my keyboard was functioning properly. This is one of those cases where I don't understand what the problem is on Apple's side, but choose to ignore it and go about my business as usual. I might add that this same issue came up on my wife's iMac G5 after doing a low level reset. The G5 did not recognize its own keyboardbut it worked just fine. tonycd wrote: Just installed Tiger on a new blank hard drive in a BW, then transplanted the drive into another BW. (Long story. You don't wanna know.) The computer booted up perfectly. When the Initialize Your Keyboard (or whatever the window's called) popped up, though, it doinked that it didn't acknowledge the key I struck when instructed to hit the key to the right of the left-hand Shift key. Did you try hitting any other keys. Is this USB keyboard a non-Apple keyboard? I connected the ADB Mac Extended Keyboard II and its ADB mouse that this machine will ultimately be using (without disconnecting the other -- duh!). Same thing. Recognized the error, disconnected the USB devices, restarted. Same result. The dialog box always gives the same error message: You're hitting the build-in (sic) keyboard. Use your external keyboard. This edition of Tiger came on CD's. I ordered it from the Internets. The disks say CPU Drop-In. I'm not aware of ANY recent-vintage Apple with a built-in keyboard. What gives? Uhm, every laptop has a built-in keyboard... For whatever reason it sounds like it thinks you have a laptop, or at least a laptop keyboard. Are you plugging in the USB keyboard to the built in USB ports? -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4 - Refresh?
Dan, Pardon my ignorance, but how do you implement those commands? Thanks, Tony On Mar 14, 9:54 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Safari 4 really does work well. The interface annoyances can all be tamed - these three defaults commands will put things back: tabs in the right place, progress bar, stop/reload button... defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4TabBarIsOnTop -bool NO defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4IncludeToolbarRedesign -bool NO defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4LoadProgressStyle -bool NO - Dan. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
BW with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards
Just installed Tiger on a new blank hard drive in a BW, then transplanted the drive into another BW. (Long story. You don't wanna know.) The computer booted up perfectly. When the Initialize Your Keyboard (or whatever the window's called) popped up, though, it doinked that it didn't acknowledge the key I struck when instructed to hit the key to the right of the left-hand Shift key. I connected the ADB Mac Extended Keyboard II and its ADB mouse that this machine will ultimately be using (without disconnecting the other -- duh!). Same thing. Recognized the error, disconnected the USB devices, restarted. Same result. The dialog box always gives the same error message: You're hitting the build-in (sic) keyboard. Use your external keyboard. This edition of Tiger came on CD's. I ordered it from the Internets. The disks say CPU Drop-In. I'm not aware of ANY recent-vintage Apple with a built-in keyboard. What gives? Thanks as always, Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: BW with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards
Okay, that what's a laptop? comment was really really stupid. (Can you tell I don't like typing on laptops?) The keyboard is an original Apple blue white. It is, or at least was, plugged into the built-in USB ports. Per your comment, I just moved the blue keyboard's USB connection to a PCI card and restarted. No problems. Swapped it out for the ADB, restarted again, and again...no problems. Hope it's all behind me now. Thanks, Tony On Mar 14, 2:26 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: tonycd wrote: Just installed Tiger on a new blank hard drive in a BW, then transplanted the drive into another BW. (Long story. You don't wanna know.) The computer booted up perfectly. When the Initialize Your Keyboard (or whatever the window's called) popped up, though, it doinked that it didn't acknowledge the key I struck when instructed to hit the key to the right of the left-hand Shift key. Did you try hitting any other keys. Is this USB keyboard a non-Apple keyboard? I connected the ADB Mac Extended Keyboard II and its ADB mouse that this machine will ultimately be using (without disconnecting the other -- duh!). Same thing. Recognized the error, disconnected the USB devices, restarted. Same result. The dialog box always gives the same error message: You're hitting the build-in (sic) keyboard. Use your external keyboard. This edition of Tiger came on CD's. I ordered it from the Internets. The disks say CPU Drop-In. I'm not aware of ANY recent-vintage Apple with a built-in keyboard. What gives? Uhm, every laptop has a built-in keyboard... For whatever reason it sounds like it thinks you have a laptop, or at least a laptop keyboard. Are you plugging in the USB keyboard to the built in USB ports? -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: BW with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards
Sorry, Clark. I should have been clearer -- I was spoofing myself for overlooking the obvious, not you. I meant to say I'd apparently forgotten that laptops existed. Thank you again for your comment about which USB port I was using, which apparently led me to a solution for my problem. On Mar 14, 3:10 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: tonycd wrote: Okay, that what's a laptop? comment was really really stupid. (Can you tell I don't like typing on laptops?) What what's a laptop?? comment. IF you're going to accuse me of something stupid make sure I DID. I was quite serious. If you don't want any help then don't ask. The keyboard is an original Apple blue white. It is, or at least was, plugged into the built-in USB ports. Per your comment, I just moved the blue keyboard's USB connection to a PCI card and restarted. No problems. Swapped it out for the ADB, restarted again, and again...no problems. Hope it's all behind me now. Thanks, Tony On Mar 14, 2:26 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: tonycd wrote: Just installed Tiger on a new blank hard drive in a BW, then transplanted the drive into another BW. (Long story. You don't wanna know.) The computer booted up perfectly. When the Initialize Your Keyboard (or whatever the window's called) popped up, though, it doinked that it didn't acknowledge the key I struck when instructed to hit the key to the right of the left-hand Shift key. Did you try hitting any other keys. Is this USB keyboard a non-Apple keyboard? I connected the ADB Mac Extended Keyboard II and its ADB mouse that this machine will ultimately be using (without disconnecting the other -- duh!). Same thing. Recognized the error, disconnected the USB devices, restarted. Same result. The dialog box always gives the same error message: You're hitting the build-in (sic) keyboard. Use your external keyboard. This edition of Tiger came on CD's. I ordered it from the Internets. The disks say CPU Drop-In. I'm not aware of ANY recent-vintage Apple with a built-in keyboard. What gives? Uhm, every laptop has a built-in keyboard... For whatever reason it sounds like it thinks you have a laptop, or at least a laptop keyboard. Are you plugging in the USB keyboard to the built in USB ports? -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 CPU swap into Blue White G3
another reason it always depends on what you are doing -- my 33mhz powerbook540c is still very very useful (possible essential) for me ... but not for the same things. This machine is being set up basically to run InDesign and Photoshop CS2. Altivec is a big deal for those, although not for lots of other things. A mhz-for-mhz swap at $25 or so would be a pretty good deal in this case. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
G4 CPU swap into Blue White G3
A simple question that I'm sure has been covered before (I just couldn't find the answer): What's the newest variety of G4 whose swapped-out CPU will drop into a Blue White G3? Thanks, Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I've heard of the silenX fan but...
Some people question the bona fides of the SilenX. These guys do a terrific job, and I had very good luck following their recommendations: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article695-page1.html --Tony On Mar 2, 7:11 pm, MacGuy macgu...@gmail.com wrote: I've been looking into a fan replacement on my mdd. I've heard of the SilenX they've used to replace the ol' delta fans. question one - anybody know the model number/info and possibly where to buy one? Question two - what about other alternative fans with higher air flow output and just as quiet? Thanks, jeff Kamiah, Idaho 83536 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
It appears the interface in my FireWire enclosure is in fact dead. I've ordered a replacement case. But now, due to the good advices of Clark, Kris and the others on this board, I can do so in the knowledge that I actually need it and aren't just wasting my money. My thanks to all of you. On Mar 2, 6:29 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: tonycd wrote: Then you need to check your computer's FW port, the cable and the drive by swapping out each element with other devices. The cable and the port are both known good. Is the enclosure automatically irreparable? Pretty much. Assuming it has an external power supply, that would be something to check. Otherwise the fault is in the FW / IDE interface board inside the enclosure and there is likely nothing there to fix. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
Joe, I ran DiskWarrior and it didn't see the FireWire disks either. I then used it to rebuild the disk directory of my own hard disk (no big problems noted), and afterward my own computer still didn't see the FireWire drive. I also downloaded the LaCie firmware updater. It didn't see the FireWire drive, and reported there were 0 devices available to update. FYI, this is the exact identity of my FireWire drive (with a 320GB Seagate now stuffed into it). It was originally a 120 GB until the original HD (a Western Digital, if I recall) died. http://www.buy.com/prod/lacie-300511-d2-firewire-hard-drive-120-gb-7200-rpm-2-mb/q/loc/101/10328113.html --Tony You said you ran DiskWarrior and nothing. What do you mean? Did it rebuild the disk directory or did it report a problem preventing you from doing that? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
Joe, I ran DiskWarrior and it didn't see the FireWire disks either. I then used it to rebuild the disk directory of my own hard disk (no big problems noted), and afterward my own computer still didn't see the FireWire drive. I also downloaded the LaCie firmware updater. It didn't see the FireWire drive, and reported there were 0 devices available to update. FYI, this is the exact identity of my FireWire drive (with a 320GB Seagate now stuffed into it). It was originally a 120 GB until the original HD (a Western Digital, if I recall) died. http://www.buy.com/prod/lacie-300511-d2-firewire-hard-drive-120-gb-7200-rpm-2-mb/q/loc/101/10328113.html --Tony You said you ran DiskWarrior and nothing. What do you mean? Did it rebuild the disk directory or did it report a problem preventing you from doing that? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
Joe, I ran DiskWarrior and it didn't see the FireWire disks either. I then used it to rebuild the disk directory of my own hard disk (no big problems noted), and afterward my own computer still didn't see the FireWire drive. Try running System Profiler and look under FireWire. If it shows up the FW interface but not the drive it sounds like a problem with the drive. If it doesn't show up the interface then that or your FW connections are the problem. Clark, my System Profiler does not show the presence of the FireWire drive. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
Then you need to check your computer's FW port, the cable and the drive by swapping out each element with other devices. The cable and the port are both known good. Is the enclosure automatically irreparable? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
I temporarily stayed off the board until Ken's problem was solved. I'm glad for him, but mine still isn't. I did the daily, weekly and monthly cleanup chores (MacJanitor was my tool of choice). I ran DiskWarrior 3.0.3 for Tiger. Nothing. I tried the external drive on a Blue White. It didn't recognize it either. I pulled the drive from the FireWire case and popped it into the Blue White, replacing its resident IDE drive. (I didn't want to mess with my G4 because it has a firmware upgrade for its transplant CPU. No sense tempting fate.) The hard drive spun up the Blue White perfectly, displaying two of its three partitions. Obviously the failure to display all three is an eyebrow-raiser. The drive is a very low-mileage, late-model Seagate 320. I know Seagates and Maxtors (same maker) have had trouble lately, but I also know this has been especially true on a line of much larger drives that doesn't include this one. (The partition that wasn't recognized has Leopard on it from a MacBook. Is it possible the partition didn't show up in a Smurf because the machine can't run Leopard?) On Feb 28, 9:54 pm, tonycd tonyl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Thanks, Joe. I have a Quicksilver 867 upgraded to 1.5ghz, running Tiger. I've tried booting from an OS 9 CD (wouldn't boot), and a Norton CD (ditto). Tech Tool Deluxe couldn't see any of the three partitions, either. My question: If I somehow failed to trash the desktop disk icons on my last use, which I know is the usual cause for this problem, and therefore fried the B Tree, which I read is the consequence of such misbehavior, is that damage in the FireWire case or the hard drive itself? (If the latter, obviously the exercise of disassembling the FireWire drive -- although I know how, and have done it before -- wouldn't be worth the exertion.) My usual HD is running fine. I'm just trying to keep my backup tools working as preventive medicine. If this exercise did confirm that the FireWire case was the problem, would it help me in any way except to confirm I needed a new FireWire case? I'm not sure what computer you have, but if it's a Sawtooth, you could try opening the case and plugging the external drive into the internal FW port on the motherboard. You could also try taking the drive itself out of the FW case and attaching it to one of the IDE buses. On Feb 28, 9:29 pm, joe j...@joethejuggler.com wrote: On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:19 PM, tonycd wrote: Pardon me for quasi-hijacking this thread, but I just ran into nearly the same exact problem. Only worse: my external FireWire drive isn't seen at all. (3 partitions: a Panther, a Tiger and a Leopard.) Worked last time. This time, none of the three show up anywhere. Not on the desktop, not in Disk Utility, not even in Disk Warrior. The physical disk sounds like it's running normally. Uh-oh. --Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
I temporarily stayed off the board until Ken's problem was solved. I'm glad for him, but mine still isn't. I did the daily, weekly and monthly cleanup chores (MacJanitor was my tool of choice). I ran DiskWarrior 3.0.3 for Tiger. Nothing. I tried the external drive on a Blue White. It didn't recognize it either. I pulled the drive from the FireWire case and popped it into the Blue White, replacing its resident IDE drive. (I didn't want to mess with my G4 because it has a firmware upgrade for its transplant CPU. No sense tempting fate.) The hard drive spun up the Blue White perfectly, displaying two of its three partitions. Obviously the failure to display all three is an eyebrow-raiser. The drive is a very low-mileage, late-model Seagate 320. I know Seagates and Maxtors (same maker) have had trouble lately, but I also know this has been especially true on a line of much larger drives that doesn't include this one. (The partition that wasn't recognized has Leopard on it from a MacBook. Is it possible the partition didn't show up in a Smurf because the machine can't run Leopard?) On Feb 28, 9:54 pm, tonycd tonyl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Thanks, Joe. I have a Quicksilver 867 upgraded to 1.5ghz, running Tiger. I've tried booting from an OS 9 CD (wouldn't boot), and a Norton CD (ditto). Tech Tool Deluxe couldn't see any of the three partitions, either. My question: If I somehow failed to trash the desktop disk icons on my last use, which I know is the usual cause for this problem, and therefore fried the B Tree, which I read is the consequence of such misbehavior, is that damage in the FireWire case or the hard drive itself? (If the latter, obviously the exercise of disassembling the FireWire drive -- although I know how, and have done it before -- wouldn't be worth the exertion.) My usual HD is running fine. I'm just trying to keep my backup tools working as preventive medicine. If this exercise did confirm that the FireWire case was the problem, would it help me in any way except to confirm I needed a new FireWire case? I'm not sure what computer you have, but if it's a Sawtooth, you could try opening the case and plugging the external drive into the internal FW port on the motherboard. You could also try taking the drive itself out of the FW case and attaching it to one of the IDE buses. On Feb 28, 9:29 pm, joe j...@joethejuggler.com wrote: On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:19 PM, tonycd wrote: Pardon me for quasi-hijacking this thread, but I just ran into nearly the same exact problem. Only worse: my external FireWire drive isn't seen at all. (3 partitions: a Panther, a Tiger and a Leopard.) Worked last time. This time, none of the three show up anywhere. Not on the desktop, not in Disk Utility, not even in Disk Warrior. The physical disk sounds like it's running normally. Uh-oh. --Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
First, my apologies on a boo-boo. The partition that's invisible is not the Leopard one--that shows. Ironically, it's the Panther one. As for the enclosure, it's one of those gray LaCie standup models with the blue headlight. It looks like the modern ones, but it was sold several years ago as a 120 or 180 GB and has my replacement 320 popped into it. It did work fine for a considerable while, though. Sorry I don't have a model number to give you, but I had to tear off the only ID in order to access the upper of the case screws. On Mar 1, 4:42 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Mar 1, 2009, at 4:30 PM, tonycd wrote: Obviously the failure to display all three is an eyebrow-raiser. The drive is a very low-mileage, late-model Seagate 320. I know Seagates and Maxtors (same maker) have had trouble lately, but I also know this has been especially true on a line of much larger drives that doesn't include this one. (The partition that wasn't recognized has Leopard on it from a MacBook. Is it possible the partition didn't show up in a Smurf because the machine can't run Leopard?) Isn't this because of the 128GB limitation of the BW? If one of those two partitions crosses the limit, DON'T WRITE ANYTHING TO IT, you may wreck both partitions. You can install Overdrive to safely mount and write to all partitions: http://mac.profusehost.net/overdrive/index.html Or alternatively there is Intech Hi-Cap extension, or use the Open Firmware commands here: http://nanchatte.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/128gb-large-hdd-lba48-suppo... It's starting to sound like something's wrong with the enclosure? What chipset does the enclosure use, and have you checked for firmware updates for the enclosure? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
LaCie posts a firmware update. But my question is, is that even possible when I can't even make the drive show up first? On Mar 1, 4:42 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: Have you checked for firmware updates for the enclosure? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
Wow, I hadn't even remembered that (duh!). Is it possible to make it invisible by doing so? As for which is first, I don't think the Panther one is #1 (I think it's #3), but I can't be sure because now I can't see the sequence. On Mar 1, 7:46 pm, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: On Mar 1, 2009, at 5:48 PM, tonycd wrote: First, my apologies on a boo-boo. The partition that's invisible is not the Leopard one--that shows. Ironically, it's the Panther one. Repeating what Kris said: Isn't this because of the 128GB limitation of the BW? Is the Panther partition the first one? and less than 128GB? Beware of using your 320 in a BW ... its probably only seeing the first 128GB ... and if that spans a partition ... Bill Connelly artsite:http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace:http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
Wow, I hadn't even remembered that (duh!). Is it possible to make it invisible by doing so? As for which is first, I don't think the Panther one is #1 (I think it's #3), but I can't be sure because now I can't see the sequence. On Mar 1, 7:46 pm, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: On Mar 1, 2009, at 5:48 PM, tonycd wrote: First, my apologies on a boo-boo. The partition that's invisible is not the Leopard one--that shows. Ironically, it's the Panther one. Repeating what Kris said: Isn't this because of the 128GB limitation of the BW? Is the Panther partition the first one? and less than 128GB? Beware of using your 320 in a BW ... its probably only seeing the first 128GB ... and if that spans a partition ... Bill Connelly artsite:http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace:http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
As for which is first, I don't think the Panther one is #1 (I think it's #3), but I can't be sure because now I can't see the sequence. But, yes... in a masterpiece of poor planning, I think the Panther one is probably the only one that's BIGGER than 128. (Double duh.) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
As for which is first, I don't think the Panther one is #1 (I think it's #3), but I can't be sure because now I can't see the sequence. But, yes... in a masterpiece of poor planning, I think the Panther one is probably the only one that's BIGGER than 128. (Double duh.) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
Pardon me for quasi-hijacking this thread, but I just ran into nearly the same exact problem. Only worse: my external FireWire drive isn't seen at all. (3 partitions: a Panther, a Tiger and a Leopard.) Worked last time. This time, none of the three show up anywhere. Not on the desktop, not in Disk Utility, not even in Disk Warrior. The physical disk sounds like it's running normally. Uh-oh. --Tony On Feb 28, 7:55 pm, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Ken W ken...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am running a PowerMac G4 dual 450 with OS X 10.3.9. I have 2 external firewire hard drives, a LaCie 80 GB and a LaCie 750 GB. The 750 has 3 partitions. Everything was working great, but I powered off my computer today and now when I rebooted the 80 GB is unmounted, and 2 of the 3 partitions on the 750 are unmounted. Disk Utility can see these unmounted drives/ partitions, but can not mount them. What the heck? I am not that technical with this kind of stuff. __ What file system were they formatted in? Do you shut it down regularly with no similar problem? Have you mounted them to any other machines recently? Have you installed any new software or updates recently that may have files in startup or shutdown folders? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
Pardon me for quasi-hijacking this thread, but I just ran into nearly the same exact problem. Only worse: my external FireWire drive isn't seen at all. (3 partitions: a Panther, a Tiger and a Leopard.) Worked last time. This time, none of the three show up anywhere. Not on the desktop, not in Disk Utility, not even in Disk Warrior. The physical disk sounds like it's running normally. Uh-oh. --Tony On Feb 28, 7:55 pm, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Ken W ken...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am running a PowerMac G4 dual 450 with OS X 10.3.9. I have 2 external firewire hard drives, a LaCie 80 GB and a LaCie 750 GB. The 750 has 3 partitions. Everything was working great, but I powered off my computer today and now when I rebooted the 80 GB is unmounted, and 2 of the 3 partitions on the 750 are unmounted. Disk Utility can see these unmounted drives/ partitions, but can not mount them. What the heck? I am not that technical with this kind of stuff. __ What file system were they formatted in? Do you shut it down regularly with no similar problem? Have you mounted them to any other machines recently? Have you installed any new software or updates recently that may have files in startup or shutdown folders? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
Thanks, Joe. I have a Quicksilver 867 upgraded to 1.5ghz, running Tiger. I've tried booting from an OS 9 CD (wouldn't boot), and a Norton CD (ditto). Tech Tool Deluxe couldn't see any of the three partitions, either. My question: If I somehow failed to trash the desktop disk icons on my last use, which I know is the usual cause for this problem, and therefore fried the B Tree, which I read is the consequence of such misbehavior, is that damage in the FireWire case or the hard drive itself? (If the latter, obviously the exercise of disassembling the FireWire drive -- although I know how, and have done it before -- wouldn't be worth the exertion.) My usual HD is running fine. I'm just trying to keep my backup tools working as preventive medicine. If this exercise did confirm that the FireWire case was the problem, would it help me in any way except to confirm I needed a new FireWire case? I'm not sure what computer you have, but if it's a Sawtooth, you could try opening the case and plugging the external drive into the internal FW port on the motherboard. You could also try taking the drive itself out of the FW case and attaching it to one of the IDE buses. On Feb 28, 9:29 pm, joe j...@joethejuggler.com wrote: On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:19 PM, tonycd wrote: Pardon me for quasi-hijacking this thread, but I just ran into nearly the same exact problem. Only worse: my external FireWire drive isn't seen at all. (3 partitions: a Panther, a Tiger and a Leopard.) Worked last time. This time, none of the three show up anywhere. Not on the desktop, not in Disk Utility, not even in Disk Warrior. The physical disk sounds like it's running normally. Uh-oh. --Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting
Thanks, Joe. I have a Quicksilver 867 upgraded to 1.5ghz, running Tiger. I've tried booting from an OS 9 CD (wouldn't boot), and a Norton CD (ditto). Tech Tool Deluxe couldn't see any of the three partitions, either. My question: If I somehow failed to trash the desktop disk icons on my last use, which I know is the usual cause for this problem, and therefore fried the B Tree, which I read is the consequence of such misbehavior, is that damage in the FireWire case or the hard drive itself? (If the latter, obviously the exercise of disassembling the FireWire drive -- although I know how, and have done it before -- wouldn't be worth the exertion.) My usual HD is running fine. I'm just trying to keep my backup tools working as preventive medicine. If this exercise did confirm that the FireWire case was the problem, would it help me in any way except to confirm I needed a new FireWire case? I'm not sure what computer you have, but if it's a Sawtooth, you could try opening the case and plugging the external drive into the internal FW port on the motherboard. You could also try taking the drive itself out of the FW case and attaching it to one of the IDE buses. On Feb 28, 9:29 pm, joe j...@joethejuggler.com wrote: On Feb 28, 2009, at 9:19 PM, tonycd wrote: Pardon me for quasi-hijacking this thread, but I just ran into nearly the same exact problem. Only worse: my external FireWire drive isn't seen at all. (3 partitions: a Panther, a Tiger and a Leopard.) Worked last time. This time, none of the three show up anywhere. Not on the desktop, not in Disk Utility, not even in Disk Warrior. The physical disk sounds like it's running normally. Uh-oh. --Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth to Supertooth
I dealt with Operator Headgap recently. They're good folks. The Mercury product, as well as anything branded PowerLogix or Newer Technology, is stuff they're buying from Other World Computing (macsales.com) and reselling at pretty much the same price. View it as simply a convenience they're providing their customers, or as a move to round out their product line. There's no extraordinary reason to by OWC's products from a reseller rather than OWC. Sonnet, obviously, is a different matter. --Tony On Feb 25, 8:52 am, dadadata dadad...@gmail.com wrote: Just for reference, here's what they have -- I've deleted a lot of the misc text so please see the web site for details. CPUs they have are 400, 500, 550. Mercury Extreme G4/1.467-1.5 GHz CPU - New $269.77 Shipped This is the G4 7455 chip 1.467 GHZ on a 133 mhz bused Digital Audio or QS 1.5 on a Sawtooth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Renamed: Shot Self in Foot, Amputation Averted
The short version: Happy ending. Thanks to all of you. The long version: Bill's mouse-button trick indeed did eject the CD. (A good night's sleep indeed did help, but his reassuring message helped me sleep better, too.) I knew about the physical button on the disk drive, having transplanted this drive into the machine my ownself, but I wasn't up for the physical disassembly involved now (or eager to klutzily drill through the button from the front). Then, it took Charles' suggestion of the four-fingered Vulcan/Twister salute to liberate the startup disk. That worked, too. At this point, I succumbed to puzzlement about the firmware's unwillingness to be re-burned. I called OWC Tech Support, where kindly Dewayne told me the processor button can take up to 10-20 attempts before it'll work. I guess it just physically gets old, dirty and tired. He was right. Once it finally worked (marked by a rapid pulsing of the power-button light), the firmware on-screen message indicated a newfound willingness to be re-flashed. The rest was history. The result (1.6 GHz single, 7447a) is as fast as advertised. The two small onboard fans are just a bit noisy, but the sound quality is not disagreeable, and the way OWC configured the heatsink and the fans would seem to create an airflow path so specific as to foil my Plan B of plopping one really large fan in their place. Success! Again, thank you all. You are a remarkable resource. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best USB 2.0 PCI card for Quicksilver?
I thought of Belkin; I know from experience their quality is usually good. Have you run into any of the sleep mode problems, etc? On Dec 29, 12:19 am, dorayme dora...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Date: Sun, Dec 28 2008 5:15 pm From: tonycd I know there are a million of 'em. I'm also sure that some of them make needless problems. Any ideas which I should want? I bought a Belkin one for my QS and it has been great for years. -- dorayme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Best USB 2.0 PCI card for Quicksilver?
I know there are a million of 'em. I'm also sure that some of them make needless problems. Any ideas which I should want? Thanks, Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
iWeb newbie questions
My third-grader wants to create a webpage of the levels he's built for the video game n. So I've entered the wonderful world of iWeb, which was recommended to me as the easiest way for someone who knows nothing (that would be, er, me) to build a site. The main functions he wants are the very ones the iWeb primer doesn't cover: 1) Creating links to let users download text documents (that's how you transplant code for custom levels in this game, via copy/paste); and 2) Letting users post comments -- without me paying for a MobileMe membership, which is the only method Apple will admit to. Is it just me who's overmatched here, or is iWeb too? Thanks, Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Have I waited long enough to move up to Leopard?
My Quicksilver 867 has a Radeon 9700 that System Profiler recognizes as a 9800 Pro, and it runs Classic 9.2 perfectly. By the way, what's this Deinterlacing thing? On Nov 10, 9:15 am, insightinmind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:23 AM, Digital Bill wrote: DVD Player also had Deinterlacing set as default, and I thought my nVidia Geforce 4MX wasn't fast enough for DVD Player ... software core image was being used ... but the Deinterlacing was the culprit that ate up my Dual 1GHz. I had already moved to the ATI Radeon 9800Pro by the time I discovered the Deinterlacing thing ... Oh ... dual boot sort of goes out the window with the ATI Radeon 9800Pro ... unless I missed something? Any comments here? 9800Pro isn't supported under OS 9.2? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS 10.3
I just upgraded from a G3/1000 B/W running 10.3.9 to a Quicksilver G4/867 with a Radeon 9700 running 10.4.11. The latter is much slower to boot, and seems noticeably slower to start programs like Thunderbird. Rightly or wrongly, I attribute the difference to the higher demands of Tiger. On Nov 3, 6:29 pm, Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10.4 runs on almost anything quicker than 10.3. ~Andrew --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G3 BW Give me some ideas :-)
A related question: Before I had the benefit of your enlightenment on what's a waste of money, I put a 1.0 GHz G3 from Other World into the Smurf I'm using to type this. (I since found out that it is not supported at the rated speed for Tiger. G.) Is that slower than the 500 MHz G4? On Sep 2, 6:34 am, dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 2, 3:57 am, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The best Sonnet upgrade for a Smurf is the 500 MHz G4. The 1 GHz from Sonnet will step the bus speed down to 66 MHz, making it overall not much quicker than the 500 running at full bus speed (100 MHz). If you are patient you can get a used Sonnet G4 500 for a good price and max out the RAM, all for less than $100. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
