Yes, I'll probably try it as well.
Teresa
Winging its way from my iPod
On Dec 15, 2014, at 10:18 PM, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com
wrote:
Yes, this one sounds interesting. I'm thinking of getting it and giving it a
go
Dallas
On 16 Dec 2014, at 13:28, joseph weakland
Ok, this sounds fun. :) I came in late in the thread. I use my hosband's
windows thingie occasionally. I'm looking forward to hearing more about this
one.
Teresa
Winging its way from my iPod
On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:25 PM, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote:
Hi Phil,
Thanks for all
I am moveing to Colorado.
On 12/16/14, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote:
Hi Phil,
Thanks for all of the ideas. I will have to think on them.
BFN
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Hi Jim,
For your adult Pizza Delivery game you could change that to,
Pot and prostitute delivery game.
Hi Thomas,
I agree with you that a lot of mobile games are either accessible or can be
made accessible in a short amound of time, once the basic apps are nearly
completed on such platforms.
However, what I didn't get was why many of the long time developers of PC
audio games had to leave.
I
Yes I know of such titles like Tactical Battle and Zero Sight.
But it is probably true that the older players tell the new ones to go for
Draconis or BSC or such first because these games are well known.
Maybe it is because it was the first these players got to know...
Yes it is true that some
Hi Michael.
I think the answer to meany of your points comes down to 2 related things,
money and scale.
Most of the mainstream games you listed are sold in there hundreds of thousands
of copies. This level of sales enables money to be spent on infrastructure like
data centres, support staff
Well you couldn't do! papa sangre for Pc or mac snse it's reliant on the
movement in your controller, but even from a sound and development
standpoint somethinelse have a lot more to put into their games.
If however you believe games like shades of doom aren't being developed
anymore and a
A massive mainstream game is the size of a real life city.
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
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Hi Thomas,
Or an entire fictional continent.
If you have games which describe locations with TTS voices and you don't
make a full 3d or 2d audio environment, it should be possible to make such a
big world in an reasonable amound of time for blind people.
Is it that expensive to make that older programmers
You are probably right Dark.
However what I meanth was not that we don't get new things, since we do even
with different mechanics.
But let me say it a bit different.
You probably know Sryth, right?
Imagine how it could be if you got this game on your PC (not a browser game)
with a proper
Hi Nick,
You are probably right.
But on the other hand, lots of that money would be used for people who
design the game world visually, meaning graphics.
They have visual design programs from which they can at least start their 3D
modeling and such...
It is true that high end graphics might
closest we have is alter aeon.
On 12/16/2014 12:49 PM, Michael Gauler wrote:
Or an entire fictional continent.
If you have games which describe locations with TTS voices and you
don't make a full 3d or 2d audio environment, it should be possible to
make such a big world in an reasonable
That's true, allthough if we could have such a thing as a game which could
be played offline with the option to fight other human players over the
internet, it could be even better.
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I suspect a lot of the reason that devs don't build these kinds of
games is because they don't feel there's really a market for it.
Between that, and the fact that most devs don't really even consider a
blind first person game to be possible, you're not going to attract
much talent.
Part of the
I'm not really sure what your saying Michael.
Sryth is a text rpg. Making it a full scale real time gamein audio would
make it an entirely different game. I would personaly love to see an audio
rpg, but I think we will in the future, albeit one limited by the means of
the developers who
Hi Michael,
Well, I think for those developers who left our community it came down
to a question of time. Daniel, Justin, Liam, etc all got real full
time jobs, didn't have time to really put into their games any more,
so decided to leave. Yeah, even though they might have been able to
continue
Hi Michael,
I see where you are going with this, and my first question is do you
realize how long it would take to create anything like Sryth as a
proper audio game?
Sryth as it stands now is a browser based text game, and it has taken
the better part of a decade to get where it is now. An audio
That's actually sad.
Not that Alter Aeon is a big world of course.
But if such things work as an online game shouldn't there be a developer or
a group of them who think that it is time to do something like this as an
audio game?
I mean, if you start today with game development you won't do such
Hi Thomas,
I know that a beginner won't do highly complex games from the start.
That is true.
However the ones like Justin or Liam or Dan had some rather complex games
compared to simple board or card games.
Look at the unlockables in Judgment Day for example.
But after that you heard not much
Hi Dark,
The sad thing about all this is that all these new things we are currently
getting in the audio game sector are partially old school compared to
mainstream games.
Seriously, I know of a mainstream game called Uprising 2.
You wouldn't be able to play it withouth sighted assistance just
That might be true.
But it looks like you might be forgetting something here at least in theory.
You probably know that Sryth was developed over ten years as well as World
of Warcraft.
However do you know that the original World of Warcraft was smaller at its
initial release?
I also think that
In theory all this could be done. It's more complex than you'd think to develop
one of these very large game worlds.
I'd also guess your over estimating how much money can be made to support on
going development. If I were a developer trying to live on developing audio
games it would make the
One avenue which has not been brought up here yet is that if someone really
wants a specific app designed and written professionally but does not have the
expertise to do so themselves, they can hire a development house to do it for
them.
Many companies do this now for iOS apps. So it's not
Hi Michael,
Perhaps, but it is a case of several things coming together which we
apparently do not have in our community right now. First, we have to
have one or more developers interested in doing such a project.
Second, one or more developers with the skills to do it in the first
place.
Michael,
Why on Earth would someone just decide that they want to spend ten years of
their life slaving over something which they will not only see no income from,
is incredibly time-consuming / intensive, consist of pretty much out-of-date
technology when it is finished, require massive
Michael,
Again, excellent points. Let me ask you (and the list) a simple question.
Why do mainstream developers develop?
Cheers!
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Hi Michael,
Well, as far as Justin goes there is no great mystery why he did what
he did. Justin made it pretty clear from the beginning he was
interested in making money off of his games, and rather than releasing
them as freeware he chose to sell his key generator in order to make
what money he
Cara,
Once again well said. I think you just said everything I meant to say
in a simple and concise post.
Cheers!
On 12/16/14, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote:
Michael,
Why on Earth would someone just decide that they want to spend ten years of
their life slaving over something
Hi Michael,
You have a good point, but the problem with your logic is that you are
over estimating how much money can be made off of audio games. Paid
updates or not there isn't a lot of money to be made off of selling
audio games.
The first problem is financial. The majority of blind customers
Thanks Thomas, glad to be of service. :)
It seems this question comes up from time to time and while I personally don't
disagree with the sentiments Michael is expressing in the sense that we really
should have more high quality audio games which better reflect the mainstream,
I also think
And let's not forget the blind i want everything for free and why should i
pay for it attitude which is shameful, but about.
Lisa Hayes
www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
yes like i said the closest we have so far are swamp, tacticle battle,
and alter aeon.
On 12/16/2014 4:09 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:
Hi Michael,
Well, I think for those developers who left our community it came down
to a question of time. Daniel, Justin, Liam, etc all got real full
time jobs,
the incentive would not be for money. it would be to create a great
audio game that everyone could enjoy including yourself. it could be
donationware. I myself live in a small town in PA. I have a small very
part time business fixing and selling computers. think of it this way.
did leonardo da
I would donate $30 or $40 towards it. I'll have the money in January 2015.
On 12/16/2014 5:17 PM, Michael Gauler wrote:
That's actually sad.
Not that Alter Aeon is a big world of course.
But if such things work as an online game shouldn't there be a
developer or a group of them who think that
how about an uprising2 tacticle battle map pack?
On 12/16/2014 5:32 PM, Michael Gauler wrote:
Hi Dark,
The sad thing about all this is that all these new things we are
currently getting in the audio game sector are partially old school
compared to mainstream games.
Seriously, I know of a
then the tacticle battle map makers should get in trouble, they have an
awesome star wars map pack! someday our society will evolve and we'll
get past all this intellectual property you can't copy my code junk.
programming and games and such should be seen as art and science, and
not as this
why not modify it using the tacticle battles mapping engine? or maybe bgt?
On 12/16/2014 6:28 PM, Nick Adamson wrote:
In theory all this could be done. It's more complex than you'd think to develop
one of these very large game worlds.
I'd also guess your over estimating how much money can be
you don't need to be a programmer to use tacticle battle. that's what's
great about it. just modify text files add your sounds and music and
triggers and you got a great game.
On 12/16/2014 6:28 PM, Nick Adamson wrote:
In theory all this could be done. It's more complex than you'd think to
linus torvolds did not need any money to make his linux kernel. I wish
we could go forward but have the attitudes of the programmers of the
1970s and 1980s. I wrote some code. want to share it? sure. copyright is
getting way out of hand. ms-dos did not have all the restrictions
windows has
I think i can answer that. its because the person taking on the project
would do it for the same reason why I fix computers and try to improve
linux. because it make me happy to make others happy by improving a free
open source operating system.
On 12/16/2014 7:01 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:
they develop for the money that's it. they could care less whether
disabled folks can play their games. sometimes I wish I had a time
machine and could go back to the 1500s or so. maybe we did not have
technology but we had our morality and family values.
On 12/16/2014 7:06 PM, Cara Quinn
I donate when and where I can. and I buy movies on apple tv. and when
needed I use torrent sites like pirate bay.
On 12/16/2014 8:42 PM, Lisa Hayes wrote:
And let's not forget the blind i want everything for free and why
should i pay for it attitude which is shameful, but about.
Lisa Hayes
LOL! grin
Teresa
Winging its way from my iPod
On Dec 16, 2014, at 3:10 AM, lenron brown lenro...@gmail.com wrote:
I am moveing to Colorado.
On 12/16/14, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote:
Hi Phil,
Thanks for all of the ideas. I will have to think on them.
BFN
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Hi Josh,
I don't completely disagree with you, but sometimes doing something
just for the pure enjoyment of it isn't enough. The fact of the matter
is enjoyment only goes so far, and then at some point developing games
is no longer fun. I can speak from personal experience writing a game
that
Hi Josh,
I disagree with that point of view though. There is a difference in
someone donating time to say Linux and donating time to a game. With
Linux the developer is developing something of practical value that
can be used every day for home, work, etc. With a game it is merely
for
Hi Lisa,
That too. The sad fact of the matter is if a game developer created an
accessible Final Fantasy, Elder Scrolls, or whatever there would be
those blind gamers who expect it to be handed to them for free. They
will whine and cry they don't have the money, or they'll just crack
it. So it is
Hi Cara,
Yeah, I don't disagree with Michael's point that we need more high
quality audio games either. The question is how to get their in a
realistic way.
I think one possibility might be to begin with an open source project
of some kind. One point Michael made was the fact that while we have
I'm afraid that's only too true.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
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From: Lisa Hayes
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To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] audio games popularity
And let's
exactly so what's the point, i now i know we're not all like that.
Lisa Hayes
www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 4:42 PM
Subject: Re:
Hi Tom.
This is perhaps where we need some custom rpg engine creation tools. One of
the reasons a system like Eamon had so many entries is that the basic code
was written and everything else went with it. Look at the lw mission parza
or the number of maps people have made for sound rtsor
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