[Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Hi, I recall Shaun uploaded a file that has dragon warrior in it. Does anyone have that file? Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question
Yes, it's the rpg I'm talking about. - Original Message - From: "Yohandy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question >I thought so too, but I think we're talking about the RPG. > > > > - > > For an amazing video gaming site containing original soundtracks, game > art, > etc, go here. > > http://gh.ffshrine.org?r=16426 > > > - Original Message - > From: "Everett Elam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question > > >>I believe that was the wanabee original game that plagerized superliam. >> >> ----- Original Message - >> From: "Lisa Leonardi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:00 AM >> Subject: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question >> >> >>> Hi, all. >>> I was on the fantastic games and where to find them site and noticed a >>> game called dragon warrrior that sounded interesting. >>> So, I clicked the link to go to the site and it asked me to accept an >>> active X control. When I click ok, it crashes my internet explorer. I've >>> tried it several times with the same results. Does anyone have a direct >>> link to the game? >>> >>> Lisa >>> ___ >>> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >>> visit >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>> any subscription changes via the web. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question
Ah, I didn't realize this was that game. Well, if it does turn out to be the super Liam rip-off, I won't keep playing it. I think that L-works does great work, and I love their games, so I respect them too much to play a game that plagerized their work. Lisa - Original Message - From: "Robjoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question > Dragon warrior is a game made by Dragonslayer games. > Dragon warriors is claimed to be a game, but its just a "mod" of super > liam. > Just a final note on this, without resurrecting the dragon warriors topic > and the problems with Ivan, maybe the name dragon warriors came from > dragon warrior. > Of course it can happen accidentialy, but after the things which he did > and said i am not sure. > > ----- Original Message - > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:58:54 -0600 > From: "Everett Elam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I believe that was the wanabee original game that plagerized superliam. > > > > --- > Lighttech Interactive > http://www.lighttechinteractive.com > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question
Thanks for sending me those links. Sorry it's taken me awhile to get back to you, I had a computer problem over part of the weekend. The second link you provided got me to where I needed to go, and I was able to download the game. But the first link still asks me to click ok to accept an active x control, and crashes internet explorer when i do. However, everything is fine with the second link so I am currently downloading the game. Thanks. Lisa - Original Message - From: "Phil Vlasak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question > Hi Lisa, > When I clicked on that link to Dragon Warrior > http://server.dragonslayergames.net/dragonslayergames/ > I got to their home page. > Then I clicked on the game at: > http://server.dragonslayergames.net/dragonslayergames/dw.html > There was a link to download the game named > dragonwarrior.zip > I ran into no active X control > Phil > > - Original Message - > From: "Lisa Leonardi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:00 PM > Subject: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question > > >> Hi, all. >> I was on the fantastic games and where to find them site and noticed a >> game called dragon warrrior that sounded interesting. >> So, I clicked the link to go to the site and it asked me to accept an >> active X control. When I click ok, it crashes my internet explorer. I've >> tried it several times with the same results. Does anyone have a direct >> link to the game? >> >> Lisa >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question
thanks alot. take care - Original Message - From: "Liam Erven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question > dragon warrior can be found at > http://server.dragonslayergames.net/dragonslayergames/dw.html > > - Original Message - > From: "kerry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 11:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question > > >> where could you get the game? take care >> - Original Message - >> From: "Robjoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question >> >> >>> Dragon warrior is a game made by Dragonslayer games. >>> Dragon warriors is claimed to be a game, but its just a "mod" of super >>> liam. >>> Just a final note on this, without resurrecting the dragon warriors >>> topic >>> and the problems with Ivan, maybe the name dragon warriors came from >>> dragon warrior. >>> Of course it can happen accidentialy, but after the things which he did >>> and said i am not sure. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question >>> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:58:54 -0600 >>> From: "Everett Elam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> I believe that was the wanabee original game that plagerized superliam. >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Lighttech Interactive >>> http://www.lighttechinteractive.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >>> visit >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>> any subscription changes via the web. >>> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question
dragon warrior can be found at http://server.dragonslayergames.net/dragonslayergames/dw.html - Original Message - From: "kerry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question > where could you get the game? take care > - Original Message - > From: "Robjoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question > > >> Dragon warrior is a game made by Dragonslayer games. >> Dragon warriors is claimed to be a game, but its just a "mod" of super >> liam. >> Just a final note on this, without resurrecting the dragon warriors topic >> and the problems with Ivan, maybe the name dragon warriors came from >> dragon warrior. >> Of course it can happen accidentialy, but after the things which he did >> and said i am not sure. >> >> - Original Message - >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question >> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:58:54 -0600 >> From: "Everett Elam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> I believe that was the wanabee original game that plagerized superliam. >> >> >> >> --- >> Lighttech Interactive >> http://www.lighttechinteractive.com >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> > > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question
where could you get the game? take care - Original Message - From: "Robjoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question > Dragon warrior is a game made by Dragonslayer games. > Dragon warriors is claimed to be a game, but its just a "mod" of super > liam. > Just a final note on this, without resurrecting the dragon warriors topic > and the problems with Ivan, maybe the name dragon warriors came from > dragon warrior. > Of course it can happen accidentialy, but after the things which he did > and said i am not sure. > > - Original Message - > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:58:54 -0600 > From: "Everett Elam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I believe that was the wanabee original game that plagerized superliam. > > > > --- > Lighttech Interactive > http://www.lighttechinteractive.com > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question
I totally agree. - Original Message - Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:07:48 -0400 From: "Ron Schamerhorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Holy! You've got to be kidding me! I'd be much more likely to show my own game then demostrate a fraudulant one to people. If I had nothing to demo I'd keep my mouth shut until I did. --- Lighttech Interactive http://www.lighttechinteractive.com ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question
Holy! You've got to be kidding me! I'd be much more likely to show my own game then demostrate a fraudulant one to people. If I had nothing to demo I'd keep my mouth shut until I did. - Original Message - From: "aaron danvers-jukes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question liam, don't come to conclusions. i actually a few things in mind. he might not be demenstrating the thing he clames a "game". he has made a mod, but is kepeping the actual game secret. and demonstrating the mod to get bad reputation, then he's gonna release a game, and let everyone downlaod it and they'll all be prooven wrong. taht's one. i have some more but i don't really want to say them. i'll let you all know if it's a mod or not. i promice you that. sure, everything was the same, the items, health pick ups etc, but, who knows... the game keeps changing. actually, i have an older trailor of the game that sounds completely different! not a super liam mod at all! i don't know waht it is, it's kind of hard to tell! regards, aaron ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question
aaron. this is my personal view and doesn't necisarily speak for the view of anyone else. In my personal opinion Ivan is not mature enough to program his way out of a paper bag. He has demonstratedonseveral ocasions his lack of maturity. He has tried to rip off Lworks on more than one ocasion. What amazes me is that people still believe he has a possible product that is original. To say that maybe he is keeping the game secret is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I consider that a personal insult. The only thinghe is keeping secret is the fact that all he can do is rip off someone's hard work. I don't want to turn this in to a flame war, but I suggest that anyone who has any further dealing with Ivan should keep in mind that he is a 15 year old who believes that he can use other people's products for personal gain. If anyone has any issues with this, feel free to talk to me offlist. I have had to deal with this kid on multiple ocasions. Liam - Original Message - From: "aaron danvers-jukes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question > liam, don't come to conclusions. > i actually a few things in mind. > he might not be demenstrating the thing he clames a "game". he has made a > mod, but is kepeping the actual game secret. and demonstrating the mod to > get bad reputation, then he's gonna release a game, and let everyone > downlaod it and they'll all be prooven wrong. > taht's one. > i have some more but i don't really want to say them. i'll let you all > know > if it's a mod or not. i promice you that. sure, everything was the same, > the > items, health pick ups etc, but, who knows... the game keeps changing. > actually, > i have an older trailor of the game that sounds completely different! not > a > super liam mod at all! i don't know waht it is, it's kind of hard to tell! > regards, > aaron > > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question
liam, don't come to conclusions. i actually a few things in mind. he might not be demenstrating the thing he clames a "game". he has made a mod, but is kepeping the actual game secret. and demonstrating the mod to get bad reputation, then he's gonna release a game, and let everyone downlaod it and they'll all be prooven wrong. taht's one. i have some more but i don't really want to say them. i'll let you all know if it's a mod or not. i promice you that. sure, everything was the same, the items, health pick ups etc, but, who knows... the game keeps changing. actually, i have an older trailor of the game that sounds completely different! not a super liam mod at all! i don't know waht it is, it's kind of hard to tell! regards, aaron ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question
dragon warriors is a mod of Super Liam. even though he has claimed it's not. Dragon Warrior is a whoel separate game itself. - Original Message - From: "aaron danvers-jukes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question > hi all, > I'm not too sure if it's a mod or not. i enjoyed the dragon warriors > trailor, and i've joined ivan and his "team" to find out. i hope it's not > a > mod. > if i ever get a beta, i'll make a game recording which demonstrates > *exactly* what it is, no lies, no nothing. if it's a mod, it's a mod. if > it's a game, i'll say that. this is my final desitien on this matter. > dragon warrior is an rpg game, quite cool. > dragon warriors, i'm not too sure, but i am hoping... just hoping... > that's > original. i'm not sure who to believe at this moment in time. > now, i will say no more unless i really have to. > regards, > aaron > > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question
hi all, I'm not too sure if it's a mod or not. i enjoyed the dragon warriors trailor, and i've joined ivan and his "team" to find out. i hope it's not a mod. if i ever get a beta, i'll make a game recording which demonstrates *exactly* what it is, no lies, no nothing. if it's a mod, it's a mod. if it's a game, i'll say that. this is my final desitien on this matter. dragon warrior is an rpg game, quite cool. dragon warriors, i'm not too sure, but i am hoping... just hoping... that's original. i'm not sure who to believe at this moment in time. now, i will say no more unless i really have to. regards, aaron ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question
I thought that dragon warior was made by robin and tommy? - Original Message - From: "Yohandy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question >I thought so too, but I think we're talking about the RPG. > > > > - > > For an amazing video gaming site containing original soundtracks, game > art, > etc, go here. > > http://gh.ffshrine.org?r=16426 > > > - Original Message - > From: "Everett Elam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question > > >>I believe that was the wanabee original game that plagerized superliam. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lisa Leonardi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:00 AM >> Subject: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question >> >> >>> Hi, all. >>> I was on the fantastic games and where to find them site and noticed a >>> game called dragon warrrior that sounded interesting. >>> So, I clicked the link to go to the site and it asked me to accept an >>> active X control. When I click ok, it crashes my internet explorer. I've >>> tried it several times with the same results. Does anyone have a direct >>> link to the game? >>> >>> Lisa >>> ___ >>> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >>> visit >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>> any subscription changes via the web. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question
I should really get the hang of the draggonslayer game, I keep dieing. At 10:12 a.m. 12/03/2007, you wrote: >Dragon warrior is a game made by Dragonslayer games. >Dragon warriors is claimed to be a game, but its just a "mod" of super liam. >Just a final note on this, without resurrecting the dragon warriors topic and >the problems with Ivan, maybe the name dragon warriors came from dragon >warrior. >Of course it can happen accidentialy, but after the things which he did and >said i am not sure. > >- Original Message - >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question >Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:58:54 -0600 >From: "Everett Elam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I believe that was the wanabee original game that plagerized superliam. > > > >--- >Lighttech Interactive >http://www.lighttechinteractive.com > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question
I thought so too, but I think we're talking about the RPG. - For an amazing video gaming site containing original soundtracks, game art, etc, go here. http://gh.ffshrine.org?r=16426 - Original Message - From: "Everett Elam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question >I believe that was the wanabee original game that plagerized superliam. > > - Original Message - > From: "Lisa Leonardi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:00 AM > Subject: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question > > >> Hi, all. >> I was on the fantastic games and where to find them site and noticed a >> game called dragon warrrior that sounded interesting. >> So, I clicked the link to go to the site and it asked me to accept an >> active X control. When I click ok, it crashes my internet explorer. I've >> tried it several times with the same results. Does anyone have a direct >> link to the game? >> >> Lisa >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question
Dragon warrior is a game made by Dragonslayer games. Dragon warriors is claimed to be a game, but its just a "mod" of super liam. Just a final note on this, without resurrecting the dragon warriors topic and the problems with Ivan, maybe the name dragon warriors came from dragon warrior. Of course it can happen accidentialy, but after the things which he did and said i am not sure. - Original Message - Subject: Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:58:54 -0600 From: "Everett Elam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I believe that was the wanabee original game that plagerized superliam. --- Lighttech Interactive http://www.lighttechinteractive.com ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question
I believe that was the wanabee original game that plagerized superliam. - Original Message - From: "Lisa Leonardi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:00 AM Subject: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question > Hi, all. > I was on the fantastic games and where to find them site and noticed a > game called dragon warrrior that sounded interesting. > So, I clicked the link to go to the site and it asked me to accept an > active X control. When I click ok, it crashes my internet explorer. I've > tried it several times with the same results. Does anyone have a direct > link to the game? > > Lisa > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question
Hi Lisa, When I clicked on that link to Dragon Warrior http://server.dragonslayergames.net/dragonslayergames/ I got to their home page. Then I clicked on the game at: http://server.dragonslayergames.net/dragonslayergames/dw.html There was a link to download the game named dragonwarrior.zip I ran into no active X control Phil - Original Message - From: "Lisa Leonardi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:00 PM Subject: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question > Hi, all. > I was on the fantastic games and where to find them site and noticed a > game called dragon warrrior that sounded interesting. > So, I clicked the link to go to the site and it asked me to accept an > active X control. When I click ok, it crashes my internet explorer. I've > tried it several times with the same results. Does anyone have a direct > link to the game? > > Lisa > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question
Hi Lisa, What was the address you went to? Robin > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Leonardi > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 6:00 PM > To: Gamers@audyssey.org > Subject: [Audyssey] dragon warrior question > > > Hi, all. > I was on the fantastic games and where to find them site and > noticed a game called dragon warrrior that sounded > interesting. So, I clicked the link to go to the site and it > asked me to accept an active X control. When I click ok, it > crashes my internet explorer. I've tried it several times > with the same results. Does anyone have a direct link to the game? > > Lisa > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_au> dyssey.org to > make any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
[Audyssey] dragon warrior question
Hi, all. I was on the fantastic games and where to find them site and noticed a game called dragon warrrior that sounded interesting. So, I clicked the link to go to the site and it asked me to accept an active X control. When I click ok, it crashes my internet explorer. I've tried it several times with the same results. Does anyone have a direct link to the game? Lisa ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Exactly. I would clearly state that is an add on, and Liam would get the full credit for the game. - Original Message - From: "aaron danvers-jukes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > if i ever do a mod, i will say: > "this is a mod of super liam. check out the original game at > www.l-works.net > if you like this mod." that's an example. > i don't know if it will make much difference though. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
if i ever do a mod, i will say: "this is a mod of super liam. check out the original game at www.l-works.net if you like this mod." that's an example. i don't know if it will make much difference though. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
not strictly true. i've had my great grandmother die recently, which is why my site went down for a while, and will be down once a year on the day of her death, and i was very depressed at that time, and even though i constantly wondered why i was still here, another part of me said, along with my girlfriend, if i gave up, all the people that support me would be rather upset to think that i've gone just for the sake of a great gran who i was very, very close to. regards, damien - Original Message - From: "Munawar Bijani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > Um if he's suffering trauma, he should be too depressed to even think of > programming. Someone's using reverse psychology, so I don't personally > believe the whole trauma thing causing him to do this. If he's traumatic, he > should be cutting himself or something. > > Munawar A. Bijani > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Rachel D Keyte > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 3:35 AM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > > > Hi Nicole, > I'm sure no-one will deny losing family members isn't a traumatic > experience. But honestly, that doesn't give Ivan an excuse to take > something and call it his own. > He may not have the sounds any more, but his dragon game is certainly > too much like Superliam to pass off as simply co-incidental. I mean, > even having the acts makes it suss. > If Ivan has caused this amount of drama and off-list drama with the > mods repeatedly, there's obviously very good reason why his band. > At 07:09 PM 14/01/2007, you wrote: > > >Hay guys please understand ivan's situation. The boy lost his dad and his > >brother. He is really a trauma case. He's not himself. John, his mentor > >assured me that ivan isn't using liam's sounds anymore. Ivan begged so many > >times to get back onto this list. > >It happened all like this: one day I received out of the blue a message > from > >ivan threatening me that he will ban me from his list. He accused me of > >jumping down him. So I wrote him a straight forward message back telling > him > >that he is the guilty one, he stole another dev's ideas AND NOW HE WANTS > TO > >BAN ME FROM his list while I'm innoscent. I told him that in south Africa > >kids who did something like that were either prisoned or spanked. john and > >ivan begged me to please understand that he is going through a lot of > >trauma. > >Ivan has begged me so many times to ask Thomas to put him back on list. If > >one goes through trauma you are not yourself and you do things that you > >won't do if you were not in trauma. Ivan noticed his mistake and once again > >john assured me he left liam's sounds. > >So this is the contact I had with ivan and what I can tell you guys . > >Please give him another chance. Although it might sound like liams's > sounds, > >john assured me it isn't. > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Behalf Of Thomas Ward > >Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:19 AM > >To: Gamers Discussion list > >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > > > >Hi Josh and all, > >I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on > >this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's > >game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as > >Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him > >banned from this forem. > >According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a > >bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you > >off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. > >One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else > >was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company > >was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and > >slapped it on his aledged creation. > >Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him > >much after his last endever on this forem. > >Smile. > > > > > >___ > >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to m
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
neither it was just a thought. At 08:19 p.m. 15/01/2007, you wrote: >i won't be making a superliam mod if liam doesn't want me to. that's the >long and short of it. > >regards, > >damien > > > > >- Original Message - >From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 1:54 AM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > > >> Is it ok for me to make a pack for sl then? >> I understand that I can't expect liam to support my pack unless he wishes >to. >> Or am I repeating myself. >> At 02:27 p.m. 15/01/2007, you wrote: >> >Hi, >> >Agreed. When you use someone elses executable even though the sounds are >> >changed it is still breaking the copyrights for that game, and is >> >steeling someone elses hard work. >> > In the past I have Made sound packs for say Lonewolf and Trek 2000, and >> >have made them publically available. The difference though is I still >> >give GMA Games the full credit for the game, and I don't repackage those >> >games as my own. I only take credit for the sounds I personally created >> >as add ons. >> >If Ivan would have made his Dragon >> >Warrior sound pack available, and said here is my dragon battle pack for >> >SL then noone would mind. However, Ivan says this is his game, his >> >sounds, and the similar game play and other things appears to be Super >> >Liam with little doubt in my mind. >> > >> > Liam Erven wrote: >> >> it is not a matter of sounds. he has taken my executible and changed >the >> >> sounds to fit his concept. that is wrong and trama is no excuse. >> >> >> > >> > >> >___ >> >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >visit >> >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> >any subscription changes via the web. >> >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> >> >> > > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
i won't be making a superliam mod if liam doesn't want me to. that's the long and short of it. regards, damien - Original Message - From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > Is it ok for me to make a pack for sl then? > I understand that I can't expect liam to support my pack unless he wishes to. > Or am I repeating myself. > At 02:27 p.m. 15/01/2007, you wrote: > >Hi, > >Agreed. When you use someone elses executable even though the sounds are > >changed it is still breaking the copyrights for that game, and is > >steeling someone elses hard work. > > In the past I have Made sound packs for say Lonewolf and Trek 2000, and > >have made them publically available. The difference though is I still > >give GMA Games the full credit for the game, and I don't repackage those > >games as my own. I only take credit for the sounds I personally created > >as add ons. > >If Ivan would have made his Dragon > >Warrior sound pack available, and said here is my dragon battle pack for > >SL then noone would mind. However, Ivan says this is his game, his > >sounds, and the similar game play and other things appears to be Super > >Liam with little doubt in my mind. > > > > Liam Erven wrote: > >> it is not a matter of sounds. he has taken my executible and changed the > >> sounds to fit his concept. that is wrong and trama is no excuse. > >> > > > > > >___ > >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit > >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > >any subscription changes via the web. > > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Um if he's suffering trauma, he should be too depressed to even think of programming. Someone's using reverse psychology, so I don't personally believe the whole trauma thing causing him to do this. If he's traumatic, he should be cutting himself or something. Munawar A. Bijani mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rachel D Keyte Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 3:35 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior Hi Nicole, I'm sure no-one will deny losing family members isn't a traumatic experience. But honestly, that doesn't give Ivan an excuse to take something and call it his own. He may not have the sounds any more, but his dragon game is certainly too much like Superliam to pass off as simply co-incidental. I mean, even having the acts makes it suss. If Ivan has caused this amount of drama and off-list drama with the mods repeatedly, there's obviously very good reason why his band. At 07:09 PM 14/01/2007, you wrote: >Hay guys please understand ivan's situation. The boy lost his dad and his >brother. He is really a trauma case. He's not himself. John, his mentor >assured me that ivan isn't using liam's sounds anymore. Ivan begged so many >times to get back onto this list. >It happened all like this: one day I received out of the blue a message from >ivan threatening me that he will ban me from his list. He accused me of >jumping down him. So I wrote him a straight forward message back telling him >that he is the guilty one, he stole another dev's ideas AND NOW HE WANTS TO >BAN ME FROM his list while I'm innoscent. I told him that in south Africa >kids who did something like that were either prisoned or spanked. john and >ivan begged me to please understand that he is going through a lot of >trauma. >Ivan has begged me so many times to ask Thomas to put him back on list. If >one goes through trauma you are not yourself and you do things that you >won't do if you were not in trauma. Ivan noticed his mistake and once again >john assured me he left liam's sounds. >So this is the contact I had with ivan and what I can tell you guys . >Please give him another chance. Although it might sound like liams's sounds, >john assured me it isn't. > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Behalf Of Thomas Ward >Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:19 AM >To: Gamers Discussion list >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > >Hi Josh and all, >I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on >this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's >game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as >Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him >banned from this forem. >According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a >bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you >off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. >One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else >was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company >was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and >slapped it on his aledged creation. >Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him >much after his last endever on this forem. >Smile. > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: >13/01/2007 5:40 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 13/01/2007 5:40 PM ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Hello, Liam, I did find the "invalid syntax" message at the beginning of the game odd as well. If it was indeed a real error, he would have had to type something to fix it, and chances are one runs a program and makes sure it works well before reviewing it; usually programs are not run for review if they do not run. Secondly, I noticed that the footstep sounds had the exact rhythm of Super Liam. At first when I was told that this game is probably a mod, I did not quite believe the source because I fell for the jumping for teleporters trick; however, after reading your post, the similarities are simply too great to be passed up as original programming. I wonder what Sky Tailor and Sean everest did as beta testers -- perhaps they can shed some light here. Munawar A. Bijani ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
And to add to that, Tom, I was a large part of the first atempt at this Dragon Warrior thing. If you remember, I was one of the first to receive his fake gameplay recording. I also got a supposed game executable, which turned out to be a bunch of AutoIt code probably copied and pasted directly from the AutoIt manual. I say copy and pasted because the same lines of code appeared multiple times, and I believe it was just code to check for a program's version number or some such thing. I no longer have this script, but I just thought I'd mention the evidence I received for those who hadn't heard before. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > Hi Josh and all, > I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on > this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's > game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as > Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him > banned from this forem. > According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a > bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you > off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. > One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else > was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company > was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and > slapped it on his aledged creation. > Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him > much after his last endever on this forem. > Smile. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/626 - Release Date: 1/14/2007 > 8:29 PM > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
true. I also want to be in the development of games but can't be bothered with the programming aspect as yet. This is the reason I keep applying to beta test teams and trying to help where ever possible. At 03:38 p.m. 15/01/2007, you wrote: >Hi, >Personally, I think the latter is closest to the truth. I think he >probably has issues at home and is trying to gain attention for himself. >There also may be a desire to be a game developer in him, he doesn't >have the skills, for him this is one way to make up a game and make >himself feel like he is acomplishing something. > > >david wrote: >> The question is, why would he work so hard to fake this? Is he trying to >> sell something, or just get attention? >> > >> - Original Message - >> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 1:19 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior >> >> >> >>> Hi Josh and all, >>> I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on >>> this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's >>> game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as >>> Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him >>> banned from this forem. >>> According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a >>> bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you >>> off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. >>> One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else >>> was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company >>> was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and >>> slapped it on his aledged creation. >>> Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him >>> much after his last endever on this forem. >>> Smile. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >>> visit >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>> any subscription changes via the web. >>> >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> >> >> > > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Hi Cara, For the record I am pretty sure Ivan doesn't have the source code. It is probably as simple is dropping in new wav files, renaming the exe file, and away he goes. The so-called key presses are suspect. As so many have commented he could say check health was z and it was actually h he was pressing. Cara Quinn wrote: >Hi Nicol, just so you know, I don't know Ivan at all, so this is my > somewhat objective view on the game. for me, the similarity didn't come > from the sounds, but from the actual game play itself. > >It sounds to me as if someone simply took the game code and put their > own sounds into it, plain and simple! > >so if that is indeed true, then that is in essence, stealing. Is it > not?... > > >Anyway, again, I don't know Ivan, and I definitely don't want to get in > the middle of any of this sort of thing, but I did want to share my > impressions of his pod cast. > >Aside from any of the above issues, if this person is in some serious > upset and needs some companionship / guidance, then I truly wish them well > and hope to see them come through all of that and succeed without needing > to resort to distasteful things... > >Anyway, just my thoughts, and have a most wonderful day!... > > Smiles, > > Cara > > At 10:09 AM 1/14/2007 +0200, you wrote: > > >> Hay guys please understand ivan's situation. The boy lost his dad and his >> brother. He is really a trauma case. He's not himself. John, his mentor >> assured me that ivan isn't using liam's sounds anymore. Ivan begged so many >> times to get back onto this list. >> It happened all like this: one day I received out of the blue a message from >> ivan threatening me that he will ban me from his list. He accused me of >> jumping down him. So I wrote him a straight forward message back telling him >> that he is the guilty one, he stole another dev's ideas AND NOW HE WANTS TO >> BAN ME FROM his list while I'm innoscent. I told him that in south Africa >> kids who did something like that were either prisoned or spanked. john and >> ivan begged me to please understand that he is going through a lot of >> trauma. >> Ivan has begged me so many times to ask Thomas to put him back on list. If >> one goes through trauma you are not yourself and you do things that you >> won't do if you were not in trauma. Ivan noticed his mistake and once again >> john assured me he left liam's sounds. >> So this is the contact I had with ivan and what I can tell you guys . >> Please give him another chance. Although it might sound like liams's sounds, >> john assured me it isn't. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Behalf Of Thomas Ward >> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:19 AM >> To: Gamers Discussion list >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior >> >> Hi Josh and all, >> I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on >> this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's >> game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as >> Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him >> banned from this forem. >> According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a >> bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you >> off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. >> One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else >> was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company >> was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and >> slapped it on his aledged creation. >> Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him >> much after his last endever on this forem. >> Smile. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Hi, Personally, I think the latter is closest to the truth. I think he probably has issues at home and is trying to gain attention for himself. There also may be a desire to be a game developer in him, he doesn't have the skills, for him this is one way to make up a game and make himself feel like he is acomplishing something. david wrote: > The question is, why would he work so hard to fake this? Is he trying to > sell something, or just get attention? > > - Original Message - > From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 1:19 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > > > >> Hi Josh and all, >> I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on >> this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's >> game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as >> Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him >> banned from this forem. >> According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a >> bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you >> off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. >> One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else >> was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company >> was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and >> slapped it on his aledged creation. >> Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him >> much after his last endever on this forem. >> Smile. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> >> > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Is it ok for me to make a pack for sl then? I understand that I can't expect liam to support my pack unless he wishes to. Or am I repeating myself. At 02:27 p.m. 15/01/2007, you wrote: >Hi, >Agreed. When you use someone elses executable even though the sounds are >changed it is still breaking the copyrights for that game, and is >steeling someone elses hard work. > In the past I have Made sound packs for say Lonewolf and Trek 2000, and >have made them publically available. The difference though is I still >give GMA Games the full credit for the game, and I don't repackage those >games as my own. I only take credit for the sounds I personally created >as add ons. >If Ivan would have made his Dragon >Warrior sound pack available, and said here is my dragon battle pack for >SL then noone would mind. However, Ivan says this is his game, his >sounds, and the similar game play and other things appears to be Super >Liam with little doubt in my mind. > > Liam Erven wrote: >> it is not a matter of sounds. he has taken my executible and changed the >> sounds to fit his concept. that is wrong and trama is no excuse. >> > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Hi Steve, While there are several schemes to protect game sound effects none of them are full proof. It might keep Ivan out and a few like him, but not a really determined hacker/cracker. Steve Crawford wrote: > If you create a game with external WAV files there's a risk that someone > will come along with their copy of Goldwave, or some other such package, and > make changes. You can save them as a resource file which just adds it to the > executible, so you can end up with a huge executible which probably isn't > healthy. Or you can use a simple trick which is to take, say, the intro > sound file, which identifies your programme, make a note of the filesize and > take a fingerprint from it (say a dozen values from random locations within > the file). On starting, your executible could check the size of the intro > file and the fingerprint and then refuse to run if it has been changed. > > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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A thought for all: Read the agreements that we agreed to when we bought games and abide by them. Look at what these agreements say about the sounds in those games as well as tinkering with the code of the game. Now, what has Ivan done? Sounds pretty illegal to me. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > Hi, > Agreed. When you use someone elses executable even though the sounds are > changed it is still breaking the copyrights for that game, and is > steeling someone elses hard work. > In the past I have Made sound packs for say Lonewolf and Trek 2000, and > have made them publically available. The difference though is I still > give GMA Games the full credit for the game, and I don't repackage those > games as my own. I only take credit for the sounds I personally created > as add ons. > If Ivan would have made his Dragon > Warrior sound pack available, and said here is my dragon battle pack for > SL then noone would mind. However, Ivan says this is his game, his > sounds, and the similar game play and other things appears to be Super > Liam with little doubt in my mind. > > Liam Erven wrote: >> it is not a matter of sounds. he has taken my executible and changed the >> sounds to fit his concept. that is wrong and trama is no excuse. >> > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Hi, Agreed. When you use someone elses executable even though the sounds are changed it is still breaking the copyrights for that game, and is steeling someone elses hard work. In the past I have Made sound packs for say Lonewolf and Trek 2000, and have made them publically available. The difference though is I still give GMA Games the full credit for the game, and I don't repackage those games as my own. I only take credit for the sounds I personally created as add ons. If Ivan would have made his Dragon Warrior sound pack available, and said here is my dragon battle pack for SL then noone would mind. However, Ivan says this is his game, his sounds, and the similar game play and other things appears to be Super Liam with little doubt in my mind. Liam Erven wrote: > it is not a matter of sounds. he has taken my executible and changed the > sounds to fit his concept. that is wrong and trama is no excuse. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Hi Rachel and all, Here is a very simple example of one of the things Ivan was doing prier to being banned from this list. While he was on moderated status he would advertise there was a demo or a trailer of Dragon Warriors up on such and such asight.One time he even said Raul had the DW trailer on Raul's sight. Before aproving the messages Raul and I investigated the messages and found in those instances there was nothing there. Ivan was publisising something that didn't exist. Well, he begged Raul to put his dw trailer up, and never sent it to Raul even though Raul had asked for it many times. When the trailer did come it was definately Super Liam with some sound changes, and the recording slowed way down. That is only a very miner example of the kinds of things Ivan was doing off list, and trying to send to the list, but we blocked them, and handled all of it behind the seens. I'd like to end on this note. Neither Kevin, Raul, or myself hold anything personal against Ivan. We do however have rules for all listers to follow, and Ivan was one who constantly broke the rules, and when we tried to talk to him about breaking the rules, Ivan behaved very disrespectfully to us, and his lack of respect ended up in his dismissile. Rachel D Keyte wrote: > Hi Nicole, > I'm sure no-one will deny losing family members isn't a traumatic > experience. But honestly, that doesn't give Ivan an excuse to take > something and call it his own. > He may not have the sounds any more, but his dragon game is certainly > too much like Superliam to pass off as simply co-incidental. I mean, > even having the acts makes it suss. > If Ivan has caused this amount of drama and off-list drama with the > mods repeatedly, there's obviously very good reason why his band. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Hi Nicol, I'd like to point out no matter how you cut it Ivan appears to be using Super Liam the game with new sounds. In the programming world that is illegal, and also very upsetting for the developer involved. How would you like to spend months or years designing a really col game only for someone else to take all your hard work, add new sounds, and pass it off as his work. You'd feel pretty hurt, angry, and upset that all your hard work was being shown off by someone who probably couldn't write his name in Visual Basic, C++, Java, you name it let alone writing a game with so many similarities to your own game. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Hi Nicol, Do understand there were many reasons why Ivan was not only moderated but absolutely banned from this list. This matter was considered by all three members of the managing partners of the list, and after some time had passed we voted to ban him. There was allot of reasons above and beyond the game. About the death of his father and brother the last time he said he was saddened at his grandpa dying now he has said his father and brother are dead. Doesn't that sound a bit fishy three members of his family dying in a years amount of time all with different stories. Sorry, I would be saddened if it was true, but Ivan has been known to lie, and unless I have first-hand knolege of what he says to be true it is suspect. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
For the record if I want to mod stuff I would always ask for permition first and maybe the origional sfx so I knew where everything went and or sent what I think some stuff should go and send the modified things to the developer or something. At 03:53 a.m. 15/01/2007, you wrote: >even if you used resource files, the user can hack it with resourcehacker or >a similar program. i think if i wanted to hide my sounds i'd stick to >straight encryption. > >regards, > >damien > > > > >- Original Message - >From: "Steve Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 1:05 PM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > > >> If you create a game with external WAV files there's a risk that someone >> will come along with their copy of Goldwave, or some other such package, >and >> make changes. You can save them as a resource file which just adds it to >the >> executible, so you can end up with a huge executible which probably isn't >> healthy. Or you can use a simple trick which is to take, say, the intro >> sound file, which identifies your programme, make a note of the filesize >and >> take a fingerprint from it (say a dozen values from random locations >within >> the file). On starting, your executible could check the size of the intro >> file and the fingerprint and then refuse to run if it has been changed. >> >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Behalf Of Liam Erven >> Sent: 14 January 2007 08:39 >> To: Gamers Discussion list >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior >> >> >> it is not a matter of sounds. he has taken my executible and changed the >> sounds to fit his concept. that is wrong and trama is no excuse. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "nicol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 2:09 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior >> >> >> > Hay guys please understand ivan's situation. The boy lost his dad and >his >> > brother. He is really a trauma case. He's not himself. John, his mentor >> > assured me that ivan isn't using liam's sounds anymore. Ivan begged so >> > many >> > times to get back onto this list. >> > It happened all like this: one day I received out of the blue a message >> > from >> > ivan threatening me that he will ban me from his list. He accused me of >> > jumping down him. So I wrote him a straight forward message back telling >> > him >> > that he is the guilty one, he stole another dev's ideas AND NOW HE >WANTS >> > TO >> > BAN ME FROM his list while I'm innoscent. I told him that in south >> > Africa >> > kids who did something like that were either prisoned or spanked. john >> > and >> > ivan begged me to please understand that he is going through a lot of >> > trauma. >> > Ivan has begged me so many times to ask Thomas to put him back on list. >If >> > one goes through trauma you are not yourself and you do things that you >> > won't do if you were not in trauma. Ivan noticed his mistake and once >> > again >> > john assured me he left liam's sounds. >> > So this is the contact I had with ivan and what I can tell you guys . >> > Please give him another chance. Although it might sound like liams's >> > sounds, >> > john assured me it isn't. >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Behalf Of Thomas Ward >> > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:19 AM >> > To: Gamers Discussion list >> > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior >> > >> > Hi Josh and all, >> > I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on >> > this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's >> > game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as >> > Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him >> > banned from this forem. >> > According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a >> > bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you >> > off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. >> > One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else >> > w
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Dude, the sounds are different, but the game is exactly the same. Is it still not clear? He didn't design anything. Anyone can go into a folder and change sounds. What Ivan did is just low. - For an amazing video gaming site containing original soundtracks, game art, etc, go here. http://gh.ffshrine.org?r=16426 - Original Message - From: "Sky Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior >I still trust Ivan, I have him on my Skype list, he'll let me beta test it. > Their isn't any sounds in sl into his game, for example, their are new > sounds, and stuff. I don't want to get band from this list, i'm just > telling > you what I heard in the podcast. Thanks, Sky. > - Original Message - > From: "david" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 10:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > > >> The question is, why would he work so hard to fake this? Is he trying to >> sell something, or just get attention? >> - Original Message - >> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 1:19 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior >> >> >>> Hi Josh and all, >>> I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on >>> this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's >>> game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as >>> Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him >>> banned from this forem. >>> According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a >>> bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you >>> off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. >>> One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else >>> was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company >>> was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and >>> slapped it on his aledged creation. >>> Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him >>> much after his last endever on this forem. >>> Smile. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >>> visit >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>> any subscription changes via the web. >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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I still trust Ivan, I have him on my Skype list, he'll let me beta test it. Their isn't any sounds in sl into his game, for example, their are new sounds, and stuff. I don't want to get band from this list, i'm just telling you what I heard in the podcast. Thanks, Sky. - Original Message - From: "david" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > The question is, why would he work so hard to fake this? Is he trying to > sell something, or just get attention? > - Original Message - > From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 1:19 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > > >> Hi Josh and all, >> I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on >> this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's >> game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as >> Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him >> banned from this forem. >> According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a >> bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you >> off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. >> One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else >> was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company >> was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and >> slapped it on his aledged creation. >> Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him >> much after his last endever on this forem. >> Smile. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
The question is, why would he work so hard to fake this? Is he trying to sell something, or just get attention? - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > Hi Josh and all, > I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on > this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's > game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as > Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him > banned from this forem. > According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a > bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you > off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. > One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else > was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company > was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and > slapped it on his aledged creation. > Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him > much after his last endever on this forem. > Smile. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Hi Nicol, just so you know, I don't know Ivan at all, so this is my somewhat objective view on the game. for me, the similarity didn't come from the sounds, but from the actual game play itself. It sounds to me as if someone simply took the game code and put their own sounds into it, plain and simple! so if that is indeed true, then that is in essence, stealing. Is it not?... Anyway, again, I don't know Ivan, and I definitely don't want to get in the middle of any of this sort of thing, but I did want to share my impressions of his pod cast. Aside from any of the above issues, if this person is in some serious upset and needs some companionship / guidance, then I truly wish them well and hope to see them come through all of that and succeed without needing to resort to distasteful things... Anyway, just my thoughts, and have a most wonderful day!... Smiles, Cara At 10:09 AM 1/14/2007 +0200, you wrote: >Hay guys please understand ivan's situation. The boy lost his dad and his >brother. He is really a trauma case. He's not himself. John, his mentor >assured me that ivan isn't using liam's sounds anymore. Ivan begged so many >times to get back onto this list. >It happened all like this: one day I received out of the blue a message from >ivan threatening me that he will ban me from his list. He accused me of >jumping down him. So I wrote him a straight forward message back telling him >that he is the guilty one, he stole another dev's ideas AND NOW HE WANTS TO >BAN ME FROM his list while I'm innoscent. I told him that in south Africa >kids who did something like that were either prisoned or spanked. john and >ivan begged me to please understand that he is going through a lot of >trauma. >Ivan has begged me so many times to ask Thomas to put him back on list. If >one goes through trauma you are not yourself and you do things that you >won't do if you were not in trauma. Ivan noticed his mistake and once again >john assured me he left liam's sounds. >So this is the contact I had with ivan and what I can tell you guys . >Please give him another chance. Although it might sound like liams's sounds, >john assured me it isn't. > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Behalf Of Thomas Ward >Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:19 AM >To: Gamers Discussion list >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > >Hi Josh and all, >I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on >this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's >game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as >Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him >banned from this forem. >According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a >bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you >off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. >One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else >was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company >was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and >slapped it on his aledged creation. >Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him >much after his last endever on this forem. >Smile. > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 1/12/2007 --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Actually, it's Warriors... Smiles, Cara At 09:59 PM 1/14/2007 +1300, you wrote: >Hi. >Its not warior, its wariors. >Not one but many. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 1/13/2007 ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
I guess Ican's parents never told him lying is bad and can get you into trouble. Josh - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > Hi Dark, > Considering Ivan's age, something of 15 or so, it wouldn't surprise me > if he wasn't using the name Dragon Warriors from Dragon Slayer Games and > Super Liam from L-Works to make himself sound like a game developer. I > know through private discussions with Ivan his maturity is not, shall we > say, as mature as one would hope. Also way back when I had asked him > what language the game was written in he answered Java, and when I > started asking specific questions about libraries and so on he didn't > have a clue what I was talking about. This hinted to me Ivan didn't know > anything about Java, and it was just one more lie to add to the > considerable size of other lies told up to that point. > > Dark wrote: >> Hi thom. >> >> Dragon warrior is indeed the name of a turn based fighting game from >> Dragonslayer gamees >> http://server.dragonslayergames.net/dragonslayergames/. >> I assumed that the name of Ivans game was a co-incidence but now with >> what >> you say I'm not so sure about that either. >> >> As I said before, I was prepared to give Ivan the bennifit of the doubt >> (particularly as I wasn't aware of what he'd done previously, but >> from >> everything I've heard I don't believe there's any doubt to derive >> bennifit >> from. >> >> >> Beware the Grue! >> >> Dark. >> > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
even if you used resource files, the user can hack it with resourcehacker or a similar program. i think if i wanted to hide my sounds i'd stick to straight encryption. regards, damien - Original Message - From: "Steve Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > If you create a game with external WAV files there's a risk that someone > will come along with their copy of Goldwave, or some other such package, and > make changes. You can save them as a resource file which just adds it to the > executible, so you can end up with a huge executible which probably isn't > healthy. Or you can use a simple trick which is to take, say, the intro > sound file, which identifies your programme, make a note of the filesize and > take a fingerprint from it (say a dozen values from random locations within > the file). On starting, your executible could check the size of the intro > file and the fingerprint and then refuse to run if it has been changed. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Liam Erven > Sent: 14 January 2007 08:39 > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > > > it is not a matter of sounds. he has taken my executible and changed the > sounds to fit his concept. that is wrong and trama is no excuse. > > - Original Message - > From: "nicol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 2:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > > > > Hay guys please understand ivan's situation. The boy lost his dad and his > > brother. He is really a trauma case. He's not himself. John, his mentor > > assured me that ivan isn't using liam's sounds anymore. Ivan begged so > > many > > times to get back onto this list. > > It happened all like this: one day I received out of the blue a message > > from > > ivan threatening me that he will ban me from his list. He accused me of > > jumping down him. So I wrote him a straight forward message back telling > > him > > that he is the guilty one, he stole another dev's ideas AND NOW HE WANTS > > TO > > BAN ME FROM his list while I'm innoscent. I told him that in south > > Africa > > kids who did something like that were either prisoned or spanked. john > > and > > ivan begged me to please understand that he is going through a lot of > > trauma. > > Ivan has begged me so many times to ask Thomas to put him back on list. If > > one goes through trauma you are not yourself and you do things that you > > won't do if you were not in trauma. Ivan noticed his mistake and once > > again > > john assured me he left liam's sounds. > > So this is the contact I had with ivan and what I can tell you guys . > > Please give him another chance. Although it might sound like liams's > > sounds, > > john assured me it isn't. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of Thomas Ward > > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:19 AM > > To: Gamers Discussion list > > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > > > > Hi Josh and all, > > I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on > > this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's > > game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as > > Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him > > banned from this forem. > > According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a > > bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you > > off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. > > One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else > > was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company > > was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and > > slapped it on his aledged creation. > > Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him > > much after his last endever on this forem. > > Smile. > > > > > > ___ > > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > > visit > > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > > any subscription changes via the
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
hahaha. You know what I wonder, what all the little clicks were. He's here talking, and then you here like him clicking somewhere on his computer. Any ideas? - For an amazing video gaming site containing original soundtracks, game art, etc, go here. http://gh.ffshrine.org?r=16426 - Original Message - From: "Steve Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > Hey did anyone listen to Ivan's Goldwave demo podcast on Blindcooltech? > Maybe he'll give himself away. > > --- > Azabat Software: accessible games for visually impaired beginners > Web: www.azabat.co.uk > Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Tel (UK): 07740 777 364 > International: +44 7740 777 364 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: > 13/01/2007 > 17:40 > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
It is not liam's sounds, but man, it is Liam's game. If you made a game, would you appreciate people ripping it apart and claiming it's their game? I doubt it. That's is why game devs encrypt sounds now. - For an amazing video gaming site containing original soundtracks, game art, etc, go here. http://gh.ffshrine.org?r=16426 - Original Message - From: "nicol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > Hay guys please understand ivan's situation. The boy lost his dad and his > brother. He is really a trauma case. He's not himself. John, his mentor > assured me that ivan isn't using liam's sounds anymore. Ivan begged so > many > times to get back onto this list. > It happened all like this: one day I received out of the blue a message > from > ivan threatening me that he will ban me from his list. He accused me of > jumping down him. So I wrote him a straight forward message back telling > him > that he is the guilty one, he stole another dev's ideas AND NOW HE WANTS > TO > BAN ME FROM his list while I'm innoscent. I told him that in south > Africa > kids who did something like that were either prisoned or spanked. john > and > ivan begged me to please understand that he is going through a lot of > trauma. > Ivan has begged me so many times to ask Thomas to put him back on list. If > one goes through trauma you are not yourself and you do things that you > won't do if you were not in trauma. Ivan noticed his mistake and once > again > john assured me he left liam's sounds. > So this is the contact I had with ivan and what I can tell you guys . > Please give him another chance. Although it might sound like liams's > sounds, > john assured me it isn't. > > -Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Thomas Ward > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:19 AM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > > Hi Josh and all, > I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on > this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's > game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as > Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him > banned from this forem. > According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a > bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you > off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. > One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else > was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company > was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and > slapped it on his aledged creation. > Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him > much after his last endever on this forem. > Smile. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
If you create a game with external WAV files there's a risk that someone will come along with their copy of Goldwave, or some other such package, and make changes. You can save them as a resource file which just adds it to the executible, so you can end up with a huge executible which probably isn't healthy. Or you can use a simple trick which is to take, say, the intro sound file, which identifies your programme, make a note of the filesize and take a fingerprint from it (say a dozen values from random locations within the file). On starting, your executible could check the size of the intro file and the fingerprint and then refuse to run if it has been changed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Liam Erven Sent: 14 January 2007 08:39 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior it is not a matter of sounds. he has taken my executible and changed the sounds to fit his concept. that is wrong and trama is no excuse. - Original Message - From: "nicol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > Hay guys please understand ivan's situation. The boy lost his dad and his > brother. He is really a trauma case. He's not himself. John, his mentor > assured me that ivan isn't using liam's sounds anymore. Ivan begged so > many > times to get back onto this list. > It happened all like this: one day I received out of the blue a message > from > ivan threatening me that he will ban me from his list. He accused me of > jumping down him. So I wrote him a straight forward message back telling > him > that he is the guilty one, he stole another dev's ideas AND NOW HE WANTS > TO > BAN ME FROM his list while I'm innoscent. I told him that in south > Africa > kids who did something like that were either prisoned or spanked. john > and > ivan begged me to please understand that he is going through a lot of > trauma. > Ivan has begged me so many times to ask Thomas to put him back on list. If > one goes through trauma you are not yourself and you do things that you > won't do if you were not in trauma. Ivan noticed his mistake and once > again > john assured me he left liam's sounds. > So this is the contact I had with ivan and what I can tell you guys . > Please give him another chance. Although it might sound like liams's > sounds, > john assured me it isn't. > > -Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Thomas Ward > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:19 AM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > > Hi Josh and all, > I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on > this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's > game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as > Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him > banned from this forem. > According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a > bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you > off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. > One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else > was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company > was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and > slapped it on his aledged creation. > Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him > much after his last endever on this forem. > Smile. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 13/01/2007 17:40 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 13/01/2007 17:40 ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Hey did anyone listen to Ivan's Goldwave demo podcast on Blindcooltech? Maybe he'll give himself away. --- Azabat Software: accessible games for visually impaired beginners Web: www.azabat.co.uk Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel (UK): 07740 777 364 International: +44 7740 777 364 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 13/01/2007 17:40 ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Oh boohoo boohoo boohoo! That's know excuse. Grow up! Chris - Original Message - From: "Liam Erven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > it is not a matter of sounds. he has taken my executible and changed the > sounds to fit his concept. that is wrong and trama is no excuse. > > - Original Message - > From: "nicol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 2:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > > >> Hay guys please understand ivan's situation. The boy lost his dad and his >> brother. He is really a trauma case. He's not himself. John, his mentor >> assured me that ivan isn't using liam's sounds anymore. Ivan begged so >> many >> times to get back onto this list. >> It happened all like this: one day I received out of the blue a message >> from >> ivan threatening me that he will ban me from his list. He accused me of >> jumping down him. So I wrote him a straight forward message back telling >> him >> that he is the guilty one, he stole another dev's ideas AND NOW HE WANTS >> TO >> BAN ME FROM his list while I'm innoscent. I told him that in south >> Africa >> kids who did something like that were either prisoned or spanked. john >> and >> ivan begged me to please understand that he is going through a lot of >> trauma. >> Ivan has begged me so many times to ask Thomas to put him back on list. >> If >> one goes through trauma you are not yourself and you do things that you >> won't do if you were not in trauma. Ivan noticed his mistake and once >> again >> john assured me he left liam's sounds. >> So this is the contact I had with ivan and what I can tell you guys . >> Please give him another chance. Although it might sound like liams's >> sounds, >> john assured me it isn't. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Behalf Of Thomas Ward >> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:19 AM >> To: Gamers Discussion list >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior >> >> Hi Josh and all, >> I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on >> this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's >> game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as >> Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him >> banned from this forem. >> According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a >> bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you >> off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. >> One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else >> was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company >> was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and >> slapped it on his aledged creation. >> Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him >> much after his last endever on this forem. >> Smile. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
and i don't blame you either. regards, damien - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > Hi Josh and all, > I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on > this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's > game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as > Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him > banned from this forem. > According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a > bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you > off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. > One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else > was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company > was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and > slapped it on his aledged creation. > Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him > much after his last endever on this forem. > Smile. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
don't you actually know that ivan and john are the same person? sheesh! regards, damien - Original Message - From: "nicol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > Hay guys please understand ivan's situation. The boy lost his dad and his > brother. He is really a trauma case. He's not himself. John, his mentor > assured me that ivan isn't using liam's sounds anymore. Ivan begged so many > times to get back onto this list. > It happened all like this: one day I received out of the blue a message from > ivan threatening me that he will ban me from his list. He accused me of > jumping down him. So I wrote him a straight forward message back telling him > that he is the guilty one, he stole another dev's ideas AND NOW HE WANTS TO > BAN ME FROM his list while I'm innoscent. I told him that in south Africa > kids who did something like that were either prisoned or spanked. john and > ivan begged me to please understand that he is going through a lot of > trauma. > Ivan has begged me so many times to ask Thomas to put him back on list. If > one goes through trauma you are not yourself and you do things that you > won't do if you were not in trauma. Ivan noticed his mistake and once again > john assured me he left liam's sounds. > So this is the contact I had with ivan and what I can tell you guys . > Please give him another chance. Although it might sound like liams's sounds, > john assured me it isn't. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Thomas Ward > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:19 AM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > > Hi Josh and all, > I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on > this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's > game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as > Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him > banned from this forem. > According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a > bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you > off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. > One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else > was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company > was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and > slapped it on his aledged creation. > Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him > much after his last endever on this forem. > Smile. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Hi. Its not warior, its wariors. Not one but many. At 08:27 p.m. 14/01/2007, you wrote: >Hi thom. > >Dragon warrior is indeed the name of a turn based fighting game from >Dragonslayer gamees http://server.dragonslayergames.net/dragonslayergames/. >I assumed that the name of Ivans game was a co-incidence but now with what >you say I'm not so sure about that either. > >As I said before, I was prepared to give Ivan the bennifit of the doubt >(particularly as I wasn't aware of what he'd done previously, but from >everything I've heard I don't believe there's any doubt to derive bennifit >from. > > >Beware the Grue! > >Dark. >- Original Message - >From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:19 AM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > > >> Hi Josh and all, >> I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on >> this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's >> game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as >> Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him >> banned from this forem. >> According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a >> bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you >> off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. >> One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else >> was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company >> was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and >> slapped it on his aledged creation. >> Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him >> much after his last endever on this forem. >> Smile. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
well it aint java, its autoit i think. At 09:06 p.m. 14/01/2007, you wrote: >Hi Dark, >Considering Ivan's age, something of 15 or so, it wouldn't surprise me >if he wasn't using the name Dragon Warriors from Dragon Slayer Games and >Super Liam from L-Works to make himself sound like a game developer. I >know through private discussions with Ivan his maturity is not, shall we >say, as mature as one would hope. Also way back when I had asked him >what language the game was written in he answered Java, and when I >started asking specific questions about libraries and so on he didn't >have a clue what I was talking about. This hinted to me Ivan didn't know >anything about Java, and it was just one more lie to add to the >considerable size of other lies told up to that point. > >Dark wrote: >> Hi thom. >> >> Dragon warrior is indeed the name of a turn based fighting game from >> Dragonslayer gamees http://server.dragonslayergames.net/dragonslayergames/. >> I assumed that the name of Ivans game was a co-incidence but now with what >> you say I'm not so sure about that either. >> >> As I said before, I was prepared to give Ivan the bennifit of the doubt >> (particularly as I wasn't aware of what he'd done previously, but from >> everything I've heard I don't believe there's any doubt to derive bennifit >> from. >> >> >> Beware the Grue! >> >> Dark. >> > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Hi Nicole, I'm sure no-one will deny losing family members isn't a traumatic experience. But honestly, that doesn't give Ivan an excuse to take something and call it his own. He may not have the sounds any more, but his dragon game is certainly too much like Superliam to pass off as simply co-incidental. I mean, even having the acts makes it suss. If Ivan has caused this amount of drama and off-list drama with the mods repeatedly, there's obviously very good reason why his band. At 07:09 PM 14/01/2007, you wrote: >Hay guys please understand ivan's situation. The boy lost his dad and his >brother. He is really a trauma case. He's not himself. John, his mentor >assured me that ivan isn't using liam's sounds anymore. Ivan begged so many >times to get back onto this list. >It happened all like this: one day I received out of the blue a message from >ivan threatening me that he will ban me from his list. He accused me of >jumping down him. So I wrote him a straight forward message back telling him >that he is the guilty one, he stole another dev's ideas AND NOW HE WANTS TO >BAN ME FROM his list while I'm innoscent. I told him that in south Africa >kids who did something like that were either prisoned or spanked. john and >ivan begged me to please understand that he is going through a lot of >trauma. >Ivan has begged me so many times to ask Thomas to put him back on list. If >one goes through trauma you are not yourself and you do things that you >won't do if you were not in trauma. Ivan noticed his mistake and once again >john assured me he left liam's sounds. >So this is the contact I had with ivan and what I can tell you guys . >Please give him another chance. Although it might sound like liams's sounds, >john assured me it isn't. > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Behalf Of Thomas Ward >Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:19 AM >To: Gamers Discussion list >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > >Hi Josh and all, >I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on >this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's >game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as >Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him >banned from this forem. >According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a >bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you >off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. >One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else >was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company >was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and >slapped it on his aledged creation. >Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him >much after his last endever on this forem. >Smile. > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: >13/01/2007 5:40 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/625 - Release Date: 13/01/2007 5:40 PM ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
it is not a matter of sounds. he has taken my executible and changed the sounds to fit his concept. that is wrong and trama is no excuse. - Original Message - From: "nicol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > Hay guys please understand ivan's situation. The boy lost his dad and his > brother. He is really a trauma case. He's not himself. John, his mentor > assured me that ivan isn't using liam's sounds anymore. Ivan begged so > many > times to get back onto this list. > It happened all like this: one day I received out of the blue a message > from > ivan threatening me that he will ban me from his list. He accused me of > jumping down him. So I wrote him a straight forward message back telling > him > that he is the guilty one, he stole another dev's ideas AND NOW HE WANTS > TO > BAN ME FROM his list while I'm innoscent. I told him that in south > Africa > kids who did something like that were either prisoned or spanked. john > and > ivan begged me to please understand that he is going through a lot of > trauma. > Ivan has begged me so many times to ask Thomas to put him back on list. If > one goes through trauma you are not yourself and you do things that you > won't do if you were not in trauma. Ivan noticed his mistake and once > again > john assured me he left liam's sounds. > So this is the contact I had with ivan and what I can tell you guys . > Please give him another chance. Although it might sound like liams's > sounds, > john assured me it isn't. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Thomas Ward > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:19 AM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > > Hi Josh and all, > I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on > this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's > game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as > Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him > banned from this forem. > According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a > bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you > off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. > One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else > was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company > was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and > slapped it on his aledged creation. > Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him > much after his last endever on this forem. > Smile. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Hay guys please understand ivan's situation. The boy lost his dad and his brother. He is really a trauma case. He's not himself. John, his mentor assured me that ivan isn't using liam's sounds anymore. Ivan begged so many times to get back onto this list. It happened all like this: one day I received out of the blue a message from ivan threatening me that he will ban me from his list. He accused me of jumping down him. So I wrote him a straight forward message back telling him that he is the guilty one, he stole another dev's ideas AND NOW HE WANTS TO BAN ME FROM his list while I'm innoscent. I told him that in south Africa kids who did something like that were either prisoned or spanked. john and ivan begged me to please understand that he is going through a lot of trauma. Ivan has begged me so many times to ask Thomas to put him back on list. If one goes through trauma you are not yourself and you do things that you won't do if you were not in trauma. Ivan noticed his mistake and once again john assured me he left liam's sounds. So this is the contact I had with ivan and what I can tell you guys . Please give him another chance. Although it might sound like liams's sounds, john assured me it isn't. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:19 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior Hi Josh and all, I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him banned from this forem. According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and slapped it on his aledged creation. Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him much after his last endever on this forem. Smile. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Hi Dark, Considering Ivan's age, something of 15 or so, it wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't using the name Dragon Warriors from Dragon Slayer Games and Super Liam from L-Works to make himself sound like a game developer. I know through private discussions with Ivan his maturity is not, shall we say, as mature as one would hope. Also way back when I had asked him what language the game was written in he answered Java, and when I started asking specific questions about libraries and so on he didn't have a clue what I was talking about. This hinted to me Ivan didn't know anything about Java, and it was just one more lie to add to the considerable size of other lies told up to that point. Dark wrote: > Hi thom. > > Dragon warrior is indeed the name of a turn based fighting game from > Dragonslayer gamees http://server.dragonslayergames.net/dragonslayergames/. > I assumed that the name of Ivans game was a co-incidence but now with what > you say I'm not so sure about that either. > > As I said before, I was prepared to give Ivan the bennifit of the doubt > (particularly as I wasn't aware of what he'd done previously, but from > everything I've heard I don't believe there's any doubt to derive bennifit > from. > > > Beware the Grue! > > Dark. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Hi thom. Dragon warrior is indeed the name of a turn based fighting game from Dragonslayer gamees http://server.dragonslayergames.net/dragonslayergames/. I assumed that the name of Ivans game was a co-incidence but now with what you say I'm not so sure about that either. As I said before, I was prepared to give Ivan the bennifit of the doubt (particularly as I wasn't aware of what he'd done previously, but from everything I've heard I don't believe there's any doubt to derive bennifit from. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior > Hi Josh and all, > I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on > this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's > game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as > Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him > banned from this forem. > According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a > bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you > off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. > One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else > was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company > was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and > slapped it on his aledged creation. > Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him > much after his last endever on this forem. > Smile. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Hi Josh and all, I am not certain that Dragon Warrior is an actual game. Previously, on this list Ivan, the aledged developer of Dragon Warrior, took Liam's game Super Liam, modified the sounds, and attempted to pass it off as Dragon Warrior. It was one of the factors that wound up getting him banned from this forem. According to the recent podcast it still seams like Super Liam with a bunch of new sounds added, and a few other nifty tricks to throw you off. So bottom line I really don't trust Ivan or his word very much. One other thing is in the last Audyssey magazine I remember someone else was supposed to be designing Dragon Warrior, and that person and company was not Ivan. My guess is Ivan took the name of an unfinished game and slapped it on his aledged creation. Sorry folks to be so negative about this, but I just can't trust him much after his last endever on this forem. Smile. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
is this game self-voiceing? Does it have lots of sounds and things? Josh - Original Message - From: "Sky Taylor Mundell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior >Hello List. my buddy Ivan, is looking for beta testers to beta test his > Dragon Warrior game. I am going to be testing it, and to subscribe to the > list, like I did, send a blank message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Then put join in the subject lime. He is looking for more beta testers. > Thanks, Sky. > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
we need more of those. At 07:20 a.m. 14/01/2007, you wrote: >Hello List. my buddy Ivan, is looking for beta testers to beta test his > Dragon Warrior game. I am going to be testing it, and to subscribe to the > list, like I did, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Then put join in the subject lime. He is looking for more beta testers. >Thanks, Sky. >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
[Audyssey] Dragon Warrior
Hello List. my buddy Ivan, is looking for beta testers to beta test his Dragon Warrior game. I am going to be testing it, and to subscribe to the list, like I did, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then put join in the subject lime. He is looking for more beta testers. Thanks, Sky. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
