Re: [Audyssey] Preordering was MOTABeta

2009-10-08 Thread Thomas Ward

Hi Will,
Well, to be honest I have enough stress as it is right now without 
adding more preorders or subscription based gaming on my hands. As it is 
the game's registration system isn't in place yet so I can' give 
customers a new product key if I wanted to. That isn't probably going to 
be in the beta until next month or so. I will say though I'll probably 
begin taking preorders the week before Christmas or so once I'm sure the 
game will be ready for the holidays or is in final testing.


william lomas wrote:
i'd set that up now, smile, then people who pre-ordered the game could 
tr all betas and everyone else would have to wait until full release

that way you are making more money



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Re: [Audyssey] Preordering was MOTABeta

2009-10-02 Thread william lomas
i'd set that up now, smile, then people who pre-ordered the game could  
tr all betas and everyone else would have to wait until full release

that way you are making more money

On 2 Oct 2009, at 04:53, Yohandy wrote:


wow thomas. good idea! I really like that.

- Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com 


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Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Preordering was MOTABeta


Hi Trouble, that's true of course, but some people in our comunity  
have wicked tempers. Even worse I've spoken to my fair share of  
people that hav a you owe me attitude, and it drives me crazy.
That said, I've thought about setting up something like an msdn  
subscription style service. If you can afford it Microsoft has a  
subscription for msdn that allows you to download betas for MS  
Office, Windows, etc and you can upgrade to the full product for a  
discount when it comes out. It is expensive, but it is a way of  
getting legal copies of their software as they become available,  
and for a discount when they come out.
If I set up a similar service on my web site people would donate x  
amount each year for games, and as a result they would get all  
alpha, beta, and full releases of my games for a reduced price or  
for nothing at all. That's a way of putting money into the company,  
but also giving people x number of games for a base fee.


Trouble wrote:
I can see your point here, but unlike the one that you took the  
games over from. You have come out with updates and reasons why  
you got set back.
your right a game can not be done in a day and neither was the  
earth.
pre orders are up to you, but personally i see the head ache makes  
them not worth it.
Just so the others know. Big game companies break out the info on  
the update. Just to wet your apatite and then take as long as they  
want on the release with no info until release. So you could be  
waiting six munths to over a year for more info on the game you  
pre paid for, and they do not answer email or letters about said  
games.



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Re: [Audyssey] Preordering was MOTABeta

2009-10-02 Thread Bryan Peterson
And of course it's all the more noticeable because we're such a small 
community. I bet mainstream devs get nasty comments like that all the time 
but they can just shrug it off because they've probably got lots of folks 
there who can just hit the delete button or handle the comments however they 
see fit, whereas we can't necessarily do that. And it's bound to be more 
discouraging than it would be to a big mainstream developer.

Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Preordering was MOTABeta



Hi Hayden,
It certainly can. Fortunately most of the negative e-mails have died down 
and become more normal requests for information but there for a while I 
was getting constant e-mails that were anything but kind. They were nasty, 
insulting, and I decided then and there not to use preorders if that is 
the way people reacted that way towards me.


Hayden Presley wrote:

Hi Thomas,
I see what you mean...I bet that can get nasty sometimes.
Hayden





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Re: [Audyssey] Preordering was MOTABeta

2009-10-02 Thread Thomas Ward
Oh, absolutely. It is a lot more personal as I have contact with my 
customers directly on this list, on the USA Games list, various other 
accessibility related lists, by phone for tech support calls, etc. As a 
result I get to know them some and as is to be expected I like some and 
dislike others on a personal and professional  level. It wouldn't be 
that way if USA Games were a mainstream commercial company.
I know that the mainstream game companies have several levels of 
customer service which are there to handle sales, tech support, and so 
on. Chances are slim to none that you will get to talk to the developer 
of game x or to speak to the head of the company. As a result they can 
afford to do whatever they want, and treat their customers with 
indifference.


Bryan Peterson wrote:
And of course it's all the more noticeable because we're such a small 
community. I bet mainstream devs get nasty comments like that all the 
time but they can just shrug it off because they've probably got lots 
of folks there who can just hit the delete button or handle the 
comments however they see fit, whereas we can't necessarily do that. 
And it's bound to be more discouraging than it would be to a big 
mainstream developer.



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Re: [Audyssey] Preordering was MOTABeta

2009-10-01 Thread Trouble
I can see your point here, but unlike the one that you took the games 
over from. You have come out with updates and reasons why you got set back.

your right a game can not be done in a day and neither was the earth.
pre orders are up to you, but personally i see the head ache makes 
them not worth it.
Just so the others know. Big game companies break out the info on the 
update. Just to wet your apatite and then take as long as they want 
on the release with no info until release. So you could be waiting 
six munths to over a year for more info on the game you pre paid for, 
and they do not answer email or letters about said games.


At 08:31 PM 9/30/2009, you wrote:

Hi Haden,
We are currently not taking preorders for any of our games at this 
time. The main reason is it causes both the customers and developers 
too much stress. Ever since taking on both Alchemy's preorders and 
my own I've been frequently hounded over those games. When will the 
game be released? Why is it taking so long to release the game? Can 
I have my money back? If you don't show me a demo of the game I paid 
for I'm going to take you to court.
As you can see some of the inquaries can get quite nasty. What many 
of these ccustomers fail to realise is I can't do it all over night. 
It isn't my full time job, and I purely work on the games for fun in 
my free time. I never signed up to be a target for someone's hate 
mail, or to be threatened to be sued over using the sales of the 
preorders to buy content for the game/games in question. The also 
fail to realize by answering their endless nag messages is time 
better spent on working on said games.


Hayden Presley wrote:

What about USA Race Way? I'm really looking forward to that one...can you
still preorder that one?
Hayden

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Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:14 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA beta 7

Hi Haden,
You can't. All preordering was done during the Christmas season of 
2007 when I was expecting to release Montezuma's Revenge. 
Unfortunately my plans got screwed up when the mainstream copyright 
holders of that game decided to threaten me with a law suit if i 
didn't discontinue the product.


HTH

Hayden Presley wrote:


And how do you preorder?
Hayden





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Re: [Audyssey] Preordering was MOTABeta

2009-10-01 Thread Stephen

that doesn't sound like tom though.
At 06:37 PM 1/10/2009, you wrote:
I can see your point here, but unlike the one that you took the 
games over from. You have come out with updates and reasons why you 
got set back.

your right a game can not be done in a day and neither was the earth.
pre orders are up to you, but personally i see the head ache makes 
them not worth it.
Just so the others know. Big game companies break out the info on 
the update. Just to wet your apatite and then take as long as they 
want on the release with no info until release. So you could be 
waiting six munths to over a year for more info on the game you pre 
paid for, and they do not answer email or letters about said games.


At 08:31 PM 9/30/2009, you wrote:

Hi Haden,
We are currently not taking preorders for any of our games at this 
time. The main reason is it causes both the customers and 
developers too much stress. Ever since taking on both Alchemy's 
preorders and my own I've been frequently hounded over those games. 
When will the game be released? Why is it taking so long to 
release the game? Can I have my money back? If you don't show me a 
demo of the game I paid for I'm going to take you to court.
As you can see some of the inquaries can get quite nasty. What many 
of these ccustomers fail to realise is I can't do it all over 
night. It isn't my full time job, and I purely work on the games 
for fun in my free time. I never signed up to be a target for 
someone's hate mail, or to be threatened to be sued over using the 
sales of the preorders to buy content for the game/games in 
question. The also fail to realize by answering their endless nag 
messages is time better spent on working on said games.


Hayden Presley wrote:

What about USA Race Way? I'm really looking forward to that one...can you
still preorder that one?
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:14 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA beta 7

Hi Haden,
You can't. All preordering was done during the Christmas season of 
2007 when I was expecting to release Montezuma's Revenge. 
Unfortunately my plans got screwed up when the mainstream 
copyright holders of that game decided to threaten me with a law 
suit if i didn't discontinue the product.


HTH

Hayden Presley wrote:


And how do you preorder?
Hayden




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Re: [Audyssey] Preordering was MOTABeta

2009-10-01 Thread Thomas Ward

Hi Hayden,
It certainly can. Fortunately most of the negative e-mails have died 
down and become more normal requests for information but there for a 
while I was getting constant e-mails that were anything but kind. They 
were nasty, insulting, and I decided then and there not to use preorders 
if that is the way people reacted that way towards me.


Hayden Presley wrote:

Hi Thomas,
I see what you mean...I bet that can get nasty sometimes.
Hayden

  



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Re: [Audyssey] Preordering was MOTABeta

2009-10-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Trouble, that's true of course, but some people in our comunity have 
wicked tempers. Even worse I've spoken to my fair share of people that 
hav a you owe me attitude, and it drives me crazy.
That said, I've thought about setting up something like an msdn 
subscription style service. If you can afford it Microsoft has a 
subscription for msdn that allows you to download betas for MS Office, 
Windows, etc and you can upgrade to the full product for a discount when 
it comes out. It is expensive, but it is a way of getting legal copies 
of their software as they become available, and for a discount when they 
come out.
If I set up a similar service on my web site people would donate x 
amount each year for games, and as a result they would get all alpha, 
beta, and full releases of my games for a reduced price or for nothing 
at all. That's a way of putting money into the company, but also giving 
people x number of games for a base fee.


Trouble wrote:
I can see your point here, but unlike the one that you took the games 
over from. You have come out with updates and reasons why you got set 
back.

your right a game can not be done in a day and neither was the earth.
pre orders are up to you, but personally i see the head ache makes 
them not worth it.
Just so the others know. Big game companies break out the info on the 
update. Just to wet your apatite and then take as long as they want on 
the release with no info until release. So you could be waiting six 
munths to over a year for more info on the game you pre paid for, and 
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Re: [Audyssey] Preordering was MOTABeta

2009-10-01 Thread shaun everiss
hmmm I personally wouldn't care for a subscription thing, I am happy to wait 
for things.
I also don't care for payed testing, sure I get things but then there is no fun 
in it.
Its different when say a new game comes out, I apply and get a test position, I 
then test the game, and put in stuff maybe contribute sounds and ideas.
I then get a copy for free, well maybe I don't.
but still if I do get it for free and even if I don't I can say look I put work 
into that, part of this is mine because I thought of x idea.
Now if I payed for it, its like, well I payed for this, so I expect this, it is 
my right to get this, because I payed for it, and you will give it to me or 
else.
See, all the fun is gone.
It becomes something to buy.
and I don't care for it.
At 03:20 p.m. 2/10/2009, you wrote:
Hi Trouble, that's true of course, but some people in our comunity have wicked 
tempers. Even worse I've spoken to my fair share of people that hav a you owe 
me attitude, and it drives me crazy.
That said, I've thought about setting up something like an msdn subscription 
style service. If you can afford it Microsoft has a subscription for msdn that 
allows you to download betas for MS Office, Windows, etc and you can upgrade 
to the full product for a discount when it comes out. It is expensive, but it 
is a way of getting legal copies of their software as they become available, 
and for a discount when they come out.
If I set up a similar service on my web site people would donate x amount each 
year for games, and as a result they would get all alpha, beta, and full 
releases of my games for a reduced price or for nothing at all. That's a way 
of putting money into the company, but also giving people x number of games 
for a base fee.

Trouble wrote:
I can see your point here, but unlike the one that you took the games over 
from. You have come out with updates and reasons why you got set back.
your right a game can not be done in a day and neither was the earth.
pre orders are up to you, but personally i see the head ache makes them not 
worth it.
Just so the others know. Big game companies break out the info on the update. 
Just to wet your apatite and then take as long as they want on the release 
with no info until release. So you could be waiting six munths to over a year 
for more info on the game you pre paid for, and they do not answer email or 
letters about said games.


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Re: [Audyssey] Preordering was MOTABeta

2009-10-01 Thread Yohandy

wow thomas. good idea! I really like that.

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Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Preordering was MOTABeta


Hi Trouble, that's true of course, but some people in our comunity have 
wicked tempers. Even worse I've spoken to my fair share of people that hav 
a you owe me attitude, and it drives me crazy.
That said, I've thought about setting up something like an msdn 
subscription style service. If you can afford it Microsoft has a 
subscription for msdn that allows you to download betas for MS Office, 
Windows, etc and you can upgrade to the full product for a discount when 
it comes out. It is expensive, but it is a way of getting legal copies of 
their software as they become available, and for a discount when they come 
out.
If I set up a similar service on my web site people would donate x amount 
each year for games, and as a result they would get all alpha, beta, and 
full releases of my games for a reduced price or for nothing at all. 
That's a way of putting money into the company, but also giving people x 
number of games for a base fee.


Trouble wrote:
I can see your point here, but unlike the one that you took the games 
over from. You have come out with updates and reasons why you got set 
back.

your right a game can not be done in a day and neither was the earth.
pre orders are up to you, but personally i see the head ache makes them 
not worth it.
Just so the others know. Big game companies break out the info on the 
update. Just to wet your apatite and then take as long as they want on 
the release with no info until release. So you could be waiting six 
munths to over a year for more info on the game you pre paid for, and 
they do not answer email or letters about said games.



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[Audyssey] Preordering was MOTABeta

2009-09-30 Thread Thomas Ward

Hi Haden,
We are currently not taking preorders for any of our games at this time. 
The main reason is it causes both the customers and developers too much 
stress. Ever since taking on both Alchemy's preorders and my own I've 
been frequently hounded over those games. When will the game be 
released? Why is it taking so long to release the game? Can I have my 
money back? If you don't show me a demo of the game I paid for I'm going 
to take you to court.
As you can see some of the inquaries can get quite nasty. What many of 
these ccustomers fail to realise is I can't do it all over night. It 
isn't my full time job, and I purely work on the games for fun in my 
free time. I never signed up to be a target for someone's hate mail, or 
to be threatened to be sued over using the sales of the preorders to buy 
content for the game/games in question. The also fail to realize by 
answering their endless nag messages is time better spent on working on 
said games.


Hayden Presley wrote:

What about USA Race Way? I'm really looking forward to that one...can you
still preorder that one?
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:14 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA beta 7

Hi Haden,
You can't. All preordering was done during the Christmas season of 2007 
when I was expecting to release Montezuma's Revenge. Unfortunately my 
plans got screwed up when the mainstream copyright holders of that game 
decided to threaten me with a law suit if i didn't discontinue the product.


HTH

Hayden Presley wrote:
  

And how do you preorder?
Hayden
  




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Re: [Audyssey] Preordering was MOTABeta

2009-09-30 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Thomas,
I see what you mean...I bet that can get nasty sometimes.
Hayden

-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:32 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] Preordering was MOTABeta

Hi Haden,
We are currently not taking preorders for any of our games at this time. 
The main reason is it causes both the customers and developers too much 
stress. Ever since taking on both Alchemy's preorders and my own I've 
been frequently hounded over those games. When will the game be 
released? Why is it taking so long to release the game? Can I have my 
money back? If you don't show me a demo of the game I paid for I'm going 
to take you to court.
As you can see some of the inquaries can get quite nasty. What many of 
these ccustomers fail to realise is I can't do it all over night. It 
isn't my full time job, and I purely work on the games for fun in my 
free time. I never signed up to be a target for someone's hate mail, or 
to be threatened to be sued over using the sales of the preorders to buy 
content for the game/games in question. The also fail to realize by 
answering their endless nag messages is time better spent on working on 
said games.

Hayden Presley wrote:
 What about USA Race Way? I'm really looking forward to that one...can you
 still preorder that one?
 Hayden

 -Original Message-
 From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
 Behalf Of Thomas Ward
 Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:14 PM
 To: Gamers Discussion list
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA beta 7

 Hi Haden,
 You can't. All preordering was done during the Christmas season of 2007 
 when I was expecting to release Montezuma's Revenge. Unfortunately my 
 plans got screwed up when the mainstream copyright holders of that game 
 decided to threaten me with a law suit if i didn't discontinue the
product.

 HTH

 Hayden Presley wrote:
   
 And how do you preorder?
 Hayden
   
 


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