Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-21 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi James,

That is totally understandable.  I hope that you do it.  I look forward to 
checking it out.

BFN

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   Well I wouldn't call your NFL game stupid. It's just that I would like 
to make a game that has my own stile to it. You know my own flaver to it.


bfn
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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-21 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Thomas,

When you said that my football game's artificial intelligence makes stupid 
choices, I guess that I should not have taken that personal.  You know because 
as I said the game uses very little artificial intelligence.  It is almost all 
random choices.

BFN

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Hi Jim,

Maybe when I get the time. Although, I wouldn't call your football
game stupid. It just makes bad calls from time to time. :D

Cheers!

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Hi Thomas,

Actually my football game has very little artificial intelligence.  It is
mostly random.  And that is because if I were to write artificial
intelligence for the game, well then I would stand a good chance of knowing
what play my opponent was going to call, and then the game would not be much
fun for me to play.

But hey, I heard Josh Kennedy say;
hi james, maybe when you or I learn bgt one or both of us can make a
really good nfl football and mlb baseball game with lots of voice
commentary and sounds and stuff, that would be fun.

Or maybe even you Thomas could make a much smarter football game than my
stupid one.  You know when you get a chance that is.

BFN


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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-21 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Josh,

Thank you for saying that you do not think that my football game is stupid.

You know when I work on my football game, I really only plan to add the log 
file thing.  So it will have each play in the log file.  I was wondering 
though, for my baseball game log file, it now, in the BaseballScore.txt file 
has the inning rap up such as;

in the Indians half of the  first inning,  the Indians scored, 2 runs  on, 5 hits,  there was  1 double  there was 1 strike out   there was A double play  and two runners were left on base. 

in the Yankees half of the  first inning,  the Yankees scored,  No runs  on, 2 hits,and two runners were left on base. 

in the  Indians half of the  second inning,  the  Indians scored, 1 run  on, 2 hits,  there was  1 triple  there was 1 strike out   there was A double play  and there were no runners left on base. 

in the  Yankees half of the  second inning,  the  Yankees scored,  No runs  on, 1 hit,  there was  1 triple 1 runner was caught stealing   and there were no runners left on base. 


So, I was wondering if it needs more than that.  I don't think that I will do 
every pitch, but could possibly do every play whether it be an out or a hit.

Thanks again and BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim,

Smile. For the record I don't think your football game is stupid
either. I just feel it could use a few checks to assess the risks of a
certain play such as trying to throw a pass so close to the end zone
that might end up in an interception or a safety if the quarterback
gets sacked. Still, I suppose its not beyond belief that a quarterback
makes a bad call now and then that ends up in favor of the opposing
team. Either way, I have had many many fun hours with your football
game.

Now, as for the baseball log file I personally think it is fine as is.
I don't really see you needing to add anything to it.

HTH

On 6/21/13, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote:
 Hi Josh,

 Thank you for saying that you do not think that my football game is stupid.

 You know when I work on my football game, I really only plan to add the log
 file thing.  So it will have each play in the log file.  I was wondering
 though, for my baseball game log file, it now, in the BaseballScore.txt file
 has the inning rap up such as;

  in the Indians half of the  first inning,  the Indians scored, 2 runs  on,
 5 hits,  there was  1 double  there was 1 strike out   there was A double
 play  and two runners were left on base.

  in the Yankees half of the  first inning,  the Yankees scored,  No runs
 on, 2 hits,and two runners were left on base.

  in the  Indians half of the  second inning,  the  Indians scored, 1 run
 on, 2 hits,  there was  1 triple  there was 1 strike out   there was A
 double play  and there were no runners left on base.

  in the  Yankees half of the  second inning,  the  Yankees scored,  No runs
 on, 1 hit,  there was  1 triple 1 runner was caught stealing   and there
 were no runners left on base.

 So, I was wondering if it needs more than that.  I don't think that I will
 do every pitch, but could possibly do every play whether it be an out or a
 hit.

 Thanks again and BFN

  Jim

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim,

Sorry about that. I didn't mean that personally. That is to say I
didn't mean it like the game itself was stupid. I simply meant that
sometimes the game makes bad calls that probably weren't very
intelligent given the  computer's field position and the amount of
plays left to it. A human player such as myself might have assessed
the situation and decided to punt the ball rather than run the risk of
a safety or interception  that close to his/her end zone. Yet, some
quarterbacks might be risk takers and decide to make that call anyway
to try a long pass in the last ditch effort to keep the ball in play
in the hopes of picking up a first down, and of course the play turned
out to backfire on him.

Cheers!


On 6/21/13, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote:
 Hi Thomas,

 When you said that my football game's artificial intelligence makes stupid
 choices, I guess that I should not have taken that personal.  You know
 because as I said the game uses very little artificial intelligence.  It is
 almost all random choices.

 BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-21 Thread Josh Kennedy
yes the plays are good. also last night me and jason were playing any 
night football, the pcs dos game, vikings versus eagles. we set it so we 
could play both teams. my vikings won over the eagles 17 to 7 and jason 
who also played the same teams vikings won 49 to 6 over the eagles.




On 6/21/2013 6:01 AM, Jim Kitchen wrote:

Hi Josh,

Thank you for saying that you do not think that my football game is stupid.

You know when I work on my football game, I really only plan to add the
log file thing.  So it will have each play in the log file.  I was
wondering though, for my baseball game log file, it now, in the
BaseballScore.txt file has the inning rap up such as;

in the Indians half of the  first inning,  the Indians scored, 2 runs
on, 5 hits,  there was  1 double  there was 1 strike out   there was A
double play  and two runners were left on base.
in the Yankees half of the  first inning,  the Yankees scored,  No runs
on, 2 hits,and two runners were left on base.
in the  Indians half of the  second inning,  the  Indians scored, 1 run
on, 2 hits,  there was  1 triple  there was 1 strike out   there was A
double play  and there were no runners left on base.
in the  Yankees half of the  second inning,  the  Yankees scored,  No
runs  on, 1 hit,  there was  1 triple 1 runner was caught stealing   and
there were no runners left on base.
So, I was wondering if it needs more than that.  I don't think that I
will do every pitch, but could possibly do every play whether it be an
out or a hit.

Thanks again and BFN

 Jim

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-21 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Thomas,

That's cool, and thank you.  I should not have been so sensitive.  Some days 
are just better than others you know.

Thanks again.

BFN

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Hi Jim,

Sorry about that. I didn't mean that personally. That is to say I
didn't mean it like the game itself was stupid. I simply meant that
sometimes the game makes bad calls that probably weren't very
intelligent given the  computer's field position and the amount of
plays left to it. A human player such as myself might have assessed
the situation and decided to punt the ball rather than run the risk of
a safety or interception  that close to his/her end zone. Yet, some
quarterbacks might be risk takers and decide to make that call anyway
to try a long pass in the last ditch effort to keep the ball in play
in the hopes of picking up a first down, and of course the play turned
out to backfire on him.

Cheers!


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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-21 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Thomas,

Cool, thanks for saying that you think that the baseball log file is cool the 
way that it is.  I might though have it keep all of the games in the series 
instead of just the one at a time.  What do you think?

BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-21 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim,

Now, that would be cool. Being able to get stats for the entire series
rather than the current game is kind of nice.

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 Hi Thomas,

 Cool, thanks for saying that you think that the baseball log file is cool
 the way that it is.  I might though have it keep all of the games in the
 series instead of just the one at a time.  What do you think?

 BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-21 Thread James Bartlett

Hi Jim

   well I'm far off from that right now, but I'm working on it. So I hope 
it won't be long.


bfn
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Hi James,

That is totally understandable.  I hope that you do it.  I look forward to 
checking it out.


BFN

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   Well I wouldn't call your NFL game stupid. It's just that I would like 
to make a game that has my own stile to it. You know my own flaver to it.


bfn
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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-20 Thread shaun everiss

well the pc speaker in some cases is rather small and really doesn't do much.
however now its part of your soundcard.
So if you ever played sound files through your pc speaker it would be 
the same as your soundcard ofcause it would be mono.
Supposedly with desktops you can rip out the pcspeaker and put a 
small speaker in the box wire it in and let it go a pc anyway.

Though  these days soundcards are really cheap 30 bucks for a real basic one.
 and 200-300 for the best though if you pay between 60 and 80 you 
will still get more than you will ever know what to do with.


At 08:29 AM 6/20/2013, you wrote:

Hi,
I dragged out an old machine that's running Windows XP. It does have a
PC speaker. I think it was purchased in 2002. I remember playing the
demos of your games previously on it, and the PC speaker worked. The
only thing I have to do to get this machine up and running again is to
replace the fan.
I do look forward to the game you mentioned. It sounds intriguing.
Considering that the shooting range and Cops were both excellent, I
imagine that merging them will create something very worth my time and
money.

On 6/19/13, Phil Vlasak phi...@bex.net wrote:
 hi Desiree,
 My DOS Shoot game uses the PC speaker for targeting, so even a virtual xp
 computer might not have a working pc speaker.
 I am planning to create a similar game for windows using the GMA game
 engine.
 I can't say when it will be finished.
 Phil

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 From: Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!


 Hi,
 I was wary of responding to this topic until we heard from the
 developers of the original games. Since we have, I'll ask my question.
 The shooting range isn't part of the package of games you provided, at
 least not that I've seen. Do you have it? that was my favorite PCS
 title. I never bought the full version, since I was a kid when I
 played it, but, unrealistic sounds or not, it provided me much
 entertainment. I especially loved blowing up the propane tanks.

 On 6/19/13, Josh Kennedy joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 hmmm, looks like my options are windows xp with NVDA in a virtual
 machine, linux with dosemu but no sound, or save my money, get a
 doubletalk and USB to serial converter and a demo of asap screen reader.
 in the meantime since I don't have the money to spend it looks like i'll
 be going the linux and dosemu way for now.


 On 6/19/2013 6:28 AM, Phil Vlasak wrote:
 Hi Josh,
 All of the DOS games you described were developed by me and Carl when
 we
 were known as Personal Computer Systems.
 I don't mind you distributing the games as they never had registratio
 keys to keep people from copying themn and giving them out to friends.
 The instructions file did state that this copying would prevent us from
 developing new games with no registration system.
 However I amnot giving nay help in trying to get the games to work on
 today's computers.
 They were writen and designed specifilly for computers running Windows
 98 with a hardware speech synthesizer such as DEC talk or Double Talk.
 Several of the games used the PC speaker as a major part of the sound
 creating part and would be difficult to play without that feature.
   I think today's computers have done away with the PC speaker that was
 supposed to just mak a beep when your computer was booting.
 My plan was to convert some of thos games to Windows but the long Sarah
 game development has delayed this.
 My next Windows game will be a combination of Cops and Shoot.
 I do not plan on doing a Windows version of Baseball or Football right
 now as those games already have accessible windows versions from other
 companies.
 Phil
 p...@pcsgames.net

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 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:58 PM
 Subject: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!


 hi everyone!

 I have them! I have fully registered copies of
 any night football and its update
 world series baseball and its update
 fox-hunt
 mobius mountain
 monopoly for dos by pcs games
 and more! download them at.

 http://www.sendspace.com/file/frot4d

 if anyone has shoot97 or cops for dos we don't have those on floppy
 disks. my friend jason brought a bunch of floppy disks and games were
 on them. now the question is, will these games work best in a windows
 xp virtual machine? or will the dos games work best in a vinux virtual
 machine with orca and dosemu or a vinux vm with speakup in a console?
 and does speakup support laptop layout?
 most of these games are text with no sound, if any sound it comes
 through the pc speaker. like beeps and stuff.
 thanks

 Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-20 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Thomas,

Actually my football game has very little artificial intelligence.  It is 
mostly random.  And that is because if I were to write artificial intelligence 
for the game, well then I would stand a good chance of knowing what play my 
opponent was going to call, and then the game would not be much fun for me to 
play.

But hey, I heard Josh Kennedy say;
hi james, maybe when you or I learn bgt one or both of us can make a 
really good nfl football and mlb baseball game with lots of voice 
commentary and sounds and stuff, that would be fun.


Or maybe even you Thomas could make a much smarter football game than my stupid 
one.  You know when you get a chance that is.

BFN

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Hi Josh,

Well, I can't speak for Jim, but I can say I've been thinking of a
football game similar to Any Night Football myself. While I like Jim's
football game well enough it doesn't offer enough plays to suit me,
and the artificial intelligence does make some really dumb plays from
time to time.

For example, I was playing this one game one time when the artificial
intelligence made the dumbest play I have ever seen in a game. The
computers team was third down, 15 yards to go, and was sitting on its
3 yard line. In that type of no win situation the best play would be
just to punt the ball and cut your losses. The idiot quarterback
decides to go for a long pass, a long shot, I sack the quarter back,
and I pick up 2 points on a safety because they got sacked into the
end zone. Like how stupid can you get?

As I said I like Jim's football game well enough, but it is stupid
calls like that which makes me long for a smarter computer player. One
that realizes when it is backed against a wall, and makes more
intelligent plays than those I've seen in Jim's football game. There
has been a couple of times I won every game of the season including
the Superbowl just because the artificial intelligence isn't up to the
task of beating me apparently.

Jim

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-20 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jim,

Maybe when I get the time. Although, I wouldn't call your football
game stupid. It just makes bad calls from time to time. :D

Cheers!

On 6/20/13, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote:
 Hi Thomas,

 Actually my football game has very little artificial intelligence.  It is
 mostly random.  And that is because if I were to write artificial
 intelligence for the game, well then I would stand a good chance of knowing
 what play my opponent was going to call, and then the game would not be much
 fun for me to play.

 But hey, I heard Josh Kennedy say;
 hi james, maybe when you or I learn bgt one or both of us can make a
 really good nfl football and mlb baseball game with lots of voice
 commentary and sounds and stuff, that would be fun.

 Or maybe even you Thomas could make a much smarter football game than my
 stupid one.  You know when you get a chance that is.

 BFN

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-20 Thread James Bartlett

Hello Jim

   Well I wouldn't call your NFL game stupid. It's just that I would like 
to make a game that has my own stile to it. You know my own flaver to it.


bfn
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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-20 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun,

Yes, there are USB synths, but the problem is they don't necessarily
work with Dos screen readers. The Tripletalk USB is a good external
synth, but I believe you have to hook it up to a serial port if you
want Jaws for Dos, ASAP, whatever to use it as a type of Doubletalk.
The Dectalk Express USB doesn't seem to work with Jaws for Dos,
Vocal-Eyes, or ASAP either from what I've heard.

On 6/19/13, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote:
 well josh if you can aquire a keynote gold or other external synth,
 then you could use dosbox directly.
 its only for us software speech junkies that dosbox won't work and I
 think there are  even usb synths these days.
 jaws for dos is free and well if you do manage to get an external
 synth then dosbox will work for you.


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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-20 Thread Josh Kennedy
hey yours isn't stupid! it's lots of fun! I love it! and I also love any 
night football in the windows xp vm! but I like them for different 
reasons. I like jim's because of the sounds and stuff and descriptions, 
and I like any night football when I want to play both teams, make the 
computer go out of the way a little and have a bit more strategy. this 
is where I think any night football could be re-written into an online 
server based american football game. Jim your nfl game is excellent and 
I would be very disappointed if you got rid of it! I can play a whole 
season in your game, but in any night football you just play each game 
separate there are no week one week 2 and superbowl and so on. jim's is 
unique just like any night football is unique. they're both fun and fun 
for their own individual reasons. now we need any night football online 
game.


On 6/20/2013 5:30 AM, Jim Kitchen wrote:

Hi Thomas,

Actually my football game has very little artificial intelligence.  It
is mostly random.  And that is because if I were to write artificial
intelligence for the game, well then I would stand a good chance of
knowing what play my opponent was going to call, and then the game would
not be much fun for me to play.

But hey, I heard Josh Kennedy say;
hi james, maybe when you or I learn bgt one or both of us can make a
really good nfl football and mlb baseball game with lots of voice
commentary and sounds and stuff, that would be fun.

Or maybe even you Thomas could make a much smarter football game than my
stupid one.  You know when you get a chance that is.

BFN

- Original Message -
Hi Josh,

Well, I can't speak for Jim, but I can say I've been thinking of a
football game similar to Any Night Football myself. While I like Jim's
football game well enough it doesn't offer enough plays to suit me,
and the artificial intelligence does make some really dumb plays from
time to time.

For example, I was playing this one game one time when the artificial
intelligence made the dumbest play I have ever seen in a game. The
computers team was third down, 15 yards to go, and was sitting on its
3 yard line. In that type of no win situation the best play would be
just to punt the ball and cut your losses. The idiot quarterback
decides to go for a long pass, a long shot, I sack the quarter back,
and I pick up 2 points on a safety because they got sacked into the
end zone. Like how stupid can you get?

As I said I like Jim's football game well enough, but it is stupid
calls like that which makes me long for a smarter computer player. One
that realizes when it is backed against a wall, and makes more
intelligent plays than those I've seen in Jim's football game. There
has been a couple of times I won every game of the season including
the Superbowl just because the artificial intelligence isn't up to the
task of beating me apparently.

 Jim

Check my web site for my 35 free games.

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Phil Vlasak

Hi Josh,
All of the DOS games you described were developed by me and Carl when we 
were known as Personal Computer Systems.
I don't mind you distributing the games as they never had registratio keys 
to keep people from copying themn and giving them out to friends.
The instructions file did state that this copying would prevent us from 
developing new games with no registration system.
However I amnot giving nay help in trying to get the games to work on 
today's computers.
They were writen and designed specifilly for computers running Windows 98 
with a hardware speech synthesizer such as DEC talk or Double Talk.
Several of the games used the PC speaker as a major part of the sound 
creating part and would be difficult to play without that feature.
 I think today's computers have done away with the PC speaker that was 
supposed to just mak a beep when your computer was booting.
My plan was to convert some of thos games to Windows but the long Sarah game 
development has delayed this.

My next Windows game will be a combination of Cops and Shoot.
I do not plan on doing a Windows version of Baseball or Football right now 
as those games already have accessible windows versions from other 
companies.

Phil
p...@pcsgames.net

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Kennedy joshknnd1...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:58 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!



hi everyone!

I have them! I have fully registered copies of
any night football and its update
world series baseball and its update
fox-hunt
mobius mountain
monopoly for dos by pcs games
and more! download them at.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/frot4d

if anyone has shoot97 or cops for dos we don't have those on floppy disks. 
my friend jason brought a bunch of floppy disks and games were on them. 
now the question is, will these games work best in a windows xp virtual 
machine? or will the dos games work best in a vinux virtual machine with 
orca and dosemu or a vinux vm with speakup in a console? and does speakup 
support laptop layout?
most of these games are text with no sound, if any sound it comes through 
the pc speaker. like beeps and stuff.

thanks

Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Ron,

I've been looking at rewriting some of my favorite Dos games in Python
so they would be cross-platform, and be available for a modern PC
running say Windows 7, but I wouldn't do it without Phil's personal go
ahead as they still belong to PCS games as far as I am concerned.

Cheers!


On 6/18/13, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote:
 This is a huge huge shame.
 But that's what happens when we up grade to try and stay up with the times.
 Now to bad we can't convirt these old classics to the windows platforms.
 Now I know there's some knowledgable people on this list that would know how

 to convert them.
 Any takers?
 Thanks.



 Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states
 that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week.

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Ron,

No. Something you need to understand is that newer 64-bit processors
and 64-bit operating systems such as Windows 7 are not able to execute
8-bit and 16-bit programs without some virtual emulation layer like
Dosbox, Dosemu, etc. So unfortunately these games are out of the
question.

On 6/18/13, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote:
 Will these games work with win 7 in the 64 bit world?
 I remember the shootting gallary.
 But what is the cops game and how is it played?
 Many Many Thanks



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 that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week.

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Josh,

As far as I know there is no laptop layout for Speakup. The only way
to get one or create one is by editing the hex codes for your keyboard
map file, and recompiling the kernel which is probably more work than
you want to do in order to have a keyboard map file that uses the
capslock key or something like that as a modifier key for Speakup.
Besides that why not just use Orca with Dosemu in a terminal window so
you can use Orca's laptop keyboard screen review commands?

On 6/18/13, Josh Kennedy joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi everyone!

 I have them! I have fully registered copies of
 any night football and its update
 world series baseball and its update
 fox-hunt
 mobius mountain
 monopoly for dos by pcs games
 and more! download them at.

 http://www.sendspace.com/file/frot4d

 if anyone has shoot97 or cops for dos we don't have those on floppy
 disks. my friend jason brought a bunch of floppy disks and games were on
 them. now the question is, will these games work best in a windows xp
 virtual machine? or will the dos games work best in a vinux virtual
 machine with orca and dosemu or a vinux vm with speakup in a console?
 and does speakup support laptop layout?
 most of these games are text with no sound, if any sound it comes
 through the pc speaker. like beeps and stuff.
 thanks

 Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Josh Kennedy
hmmm, looks like my options are windows xp with NVDA in a virtual 
machine, linux with dosemu but no sound, or save my money, get a 
doubletalk and USB to serial converter and a demo of asap screen reader. 
in the meantime since I don't have the money to spend it looks like i'll 
be going the linux and dosemu way for now.



On 6/19/2013 6:28 AM, Phil Vlasak wrote:

Hi Josh,
All of the DOS games you described were developed by me and Carl when we
were known as Personal Computer Systems.
I don't mind you distributing the games as they never had registratio
keys to keep people from copying themn and giving them out to friends.
The instructions file did state that this copying would prevent us from
developing new games with no registration system.
However I amnot giving nay help in trying to get the games to work on
today's computers.
They were writen and designed specifilly for computers running Windows
98 with a hardware speech synthesizer such as DEC talk or Double Talk.
Several of the games used the PC speaker as a major part of the sound
creating part and would be difficult to play without that feature.
  I think today's computers have done away with the PC speaker that was
supposed to just mak a beep when your computer was booting.
My plan was to convert some of thos games to Windows but the long Sarah
game development has delayed this.
My next Windows game will be a combination of Cops and Shoot.
I do not plan on doing a Windows version of Baseball or Football right
now as those games already have accessible windows versions from other
companies.
Phil
p...@pcsgames.net

- Original Message - From: Josh Kennedy joshknnd1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:58 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!



hi everyone!

I have them! I have fully registered copies of
any night football and its update
world series baseball and its update
fox-hunt
mobius mountain
monopoly for dos by pcs games
and more! download them at.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/frot4d

if anyone has shoot97 or cops for dos we don't have those on floppy
disks. my friend jason brought a bunch of floppy disks and games were
on them. now the question is, will these games work best in a windows
xp virtual machine? or will the dos games work best in a vinux virtual
machine with orca and dosemu or a vinux vm with speakup in a console?
and does speakup support laptop layout?
most of these games are text with no sound, if any sound it comes
through the pc speaker. like beeps and stuff.
thanks

Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Josh Kennedy

plans for any night football thomas?

On 6/19/2013 7:19 AM, Thomas Ward wrote:

Hi Ron,

I've been looking at rewriting some of my favorite Dos games in Python
so they would be cross-platform, and be available for a modern PC
running say Windows 7, but I wouldn't do it without Phil's personal go
ahead as they still belong to PCS games as far as I am concerned.

Cheers!


On 6/18/13, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote:

This is a huge huge shame.
But that's what happens when we up grade to try and stay up with the times.
Now to bad we can't convirt these old classics to the windows platforms.
Now I know there's some knowledgable people on this list that would know how

to convert them.
Any takers?
Thanks.



Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states
that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week.


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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Josh Kennedy
well perhaps if jim kitchen took some ideas for his next nfl football 
game from the any night football read-me file added more plays and 
things that would be cool. but of course its jim's game and if he did 
add more plays using ideas from any night football it would be fun also 
because he could make the plays how he wanted them. though it would be 
cool to have two player mode in the nfl game like any night football has 
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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Josh Kennedy
well since there is no laptop keyboard layout i'll be using orca with it 
then.



On 6/19/2013 7:29 AM, Thomas Ward wrote:

Hi Josh,

As far as I know there is no laptop layout for Speakup. The only way
to get one or create one is by editing the hex codes for your keyboard
map file, and recompiling the kernel which is probably more work than
you want to do in order to have a keyboard map file that uses the
capslock key or something like that as a modifier key for Speakup.
Besides that why not just use Orca with Dosemu in a terminal window so
you can use Orca's laptop keyboard screen review commands?

On 6/18/13, Josh Kennedy joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote:

hi everyone!

I have them! I have fully registered copies of
any night football and its update
world series baseball and its update
fox-hunt
mobius mountain
monopoly for dos by pcs games
and more! download them at.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/frot4d

if anyone has shoot97 or cops for dos we don't have those on floppy
disks. my friend jason brought a bunch of floppy disks and games were on
them. now the question is, will these games work best in a windows xp
virtual machine? or will the dos games work best in a vinux virtual
machine with orca and dosemu or a vinux vm with speakup in a console?
and does speakup support laptop layout?
most of these games are text with no sound, if any sound it comes
through the pc speaker. like beeps and stuff.
thanks

Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Josh,

That's about the size of it. :D

On 6/19/13, Josh Kennedy joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 hmmm, looks like my options are windows xp with NVDA in a virtual
 machine, linux with dosemu but no sound, or save my money, get a
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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Josh,

Well, I can't speak for Jim, but I can say I've been thinking of a
football game similar to Any Night Football myself. While I like Jim's
football game well enough it doesn't offer enough plays to suit me,
and the artificial intelligence does make some really dumb plays from
time to time.

For example, I was playing this one game one time when the artificial
intelligence made the dumbest play I have ever seen in a game. The
computers team was third down, 15 yards to go, and was sitting on its
3 yard line. In that type of no win situation the best play would be
just to punt the ball and cut your losses. The idiot quarterback
decides to go for a long pass, a long shot, I sack the quarter back,
and I pick up 2 points on a safety because they got sacked into the
end zone. Like how stupid can you get?

As I said I like Jim's football game well enough, but it is stupid
calls like that which makes me long for a smarter computer player. One
that realizes when it is backed against a wall, and makes more
intelligent plays than those I've seen in Jim's football game. There
has been a couple of times I won every game of the season including
the Superbowl just because the artificial intelligence isn't up to the
task of beating me apparently.

On 6/19/13, Josh Kennedy joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 well perhaps if jim kitchen took some ideas for his next nfl football
 game from the any night football read-me file added more plays and
 things that would be cool. but of course its jim's game and if he did
 add more plays using ideas from any night football it would be fun also
 because he could make the plays how he wanted them. though it would be
 cool to have two player mode in the nfl game like any night football has
 it.


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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Josh,

Well, not using that name exactly, but I had something like Any Night
Football in mind for a while now. Obviously, if I wrote it the game
would be called USA Football. :D

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Josh Kennedy

i guess until then i'll play any night football in a windows xp vm.

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Hi Josh,

Well, not using that name exactly, but I had something like Any Night
Football in mind for a while now. Obviously, if I wrote it the game
would be called USA Football. :D

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plans for any night football thomas?


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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Desiree Oudinot
Hi,
I was wary of responding to this topic until we heard from the
developers of the original games. Since we have, I'll ask my question.
The shooting range isn't part of the package of games you provided, at
least not that I've seen. Do you have it? that was my favorite PCS
title. I never bought the full version, since I was a kid when I
played it, but, unrealistic sounds or not, it provided me much
entertainment. I especially loved blowing up the propane tanks.

On 6/19/13, Josh Kennedy joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 hmmm, looks like my options are windows xp with NVDA in a virtual
 machine, linux with dosemu but no sound, or save my money, get a
 doubletalk and USB to serial converter and a demo of asap screen reader.
 in the meantime since I don't have the money to spend it looks like i'll
 be going the linux and dosemu way for now.


 On 6/19/2013 6:28 AM, Phil Vlasak wrote:
 Hi Josh,
 All of the DOS games you described were developed by me and Carl when we
 were known as Personal Computer Systems.
 I don't mind you distributing the games as they never had registratio
 keys to keep people from copying themn and giving them out to friends.
 The instructions file did state that this copying would prevent us from
 developing new games with no registration system.
 However I amnot giving nay help in trying to get the games to work on
 today's computers.
 They were writen and designed specifilly for computers running Windows
 98 with a hardware speech synthesizer such as DEC talk or Double Talk.
 Several of the games used the PC speaker as a major part of the sound
 creating part and would be difficult to play without that feature.
   I think today's computers have done away with the PC speaker that was
 supposed to just mak a beep when your computer was booting.
 My plan was to convert some of thos games to Windows but the long Sarah
 game development has delayed this.
 My next Windows game will be a combination of Cops and Shoot.
 I do not plan on doing a Windows version of Baseball or Football right
 now as those games already have accessible windows versions from other
 companies.
 Phil
 p...@pcsgames.net

 - Original Message - From: Josh Kennedy
 joshknnd1...@gmail.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:58 PM
 Subject: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!


 hi everyone!

 I have them! I have fully registered copies of
 any night football and its update
 world series baseball and its update
 fox-hunt
 mobius mountain
 monopoly for dos by pcs games
 and more! download them at.

 http://www.sendspace.com/file/frot4d

 if anyone has shoot97 or cops for dos we don't have those on floppy
 disks. my friend jason brought a bunch of floppy disks and games were
 on them. now the question is, will these games work best in a windows
 xp virtual machine? or will the dos games work best in a vinux virtual
 machine with orca and dosemu or a vinux vm with speakup in a console?
 and does speakup support laptop layout?
 most of these games are text with no sound, if any sound it comes
 through the pc speaker. like beeps and stuff.
 thanks

 Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Josh Kennedy
I looked through all of jason's disks and could not find the shooting 
range game. sorry. I wish I had found that one though.


On 6/19/2013 3:09 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote:

Hi,
I was wary of responding to this topic until we heard from the
developers of the original games. Since we have, I'll ask my question.
The shooting range isn't part of the package of games you provided, at
least not that I've seen. Do you have it? that was my favorite PCS
title. I never bought the full version, since I was a kid when I
played it, but, unrealistic sounds or not, it provided me much
entertainment. I especially loved blowing up the propane tanks.

On 6/19/13, Josh Kennedy joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote:

hmmm, looks like my options are windows xp with NVDA in a virtual
machine, linux with dosemu but no sound, or save my money, get a
doubletalk and USB to serial converter and a demo of asap screen reader.
in the meantime since I don't have the money to spend it looks like i'll
be going the linux and dosemu way for now.


On 6/19/2013 6:28 AM, Phil Vlasak wrote:

Hi Josh,
All of the DOS games you described were developed by me and Carl when we
were known as Personal Computer Systems.
I don't mind you distributing the games as they never had registratio
keys to keep people from copying themn and giving them out to friends.
The instructions file did state that this copying would prevent us from
developing new games with no registration system.
However I amnot giving nay help in trying to get the games to work on
today's computers.
They were writen and designed specifilly for computers running Windows
98 with a hardware speech synthesizer such as DEC talk or Double Talk.
Several of the games used the PC speaker as a major part of the sound
creating part and would be difficult to play without that feature.
   I think today's computers have done away with the PC speaker that was
supposed to just mak a beep when your computer was booting.
My plan was to convert some of thos games to Windows but the long Sarah
game development has delayed this.
My next Windows game will be a combination of Cops and Shoot.
I do not plan on doing a Windows version of Baseball or Football right
now as those games already have accessible windows versions from other
companies.
Phil
p...@pcsgames.net

- Original Message - From: Josh Kennedy
joshknnd1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:58 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!



hi everyone!

I have them! I have fully registered copies of
any night football and its update
world series baseball and its update
fox-hunt
mobius mountain
monopoly for dos by pcs games
and more! download them at.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/frot4d

if anyone has shoot97 or cops for dos we don't have those on floppy
disks. my friend jason brought a bunch of floppy disks and games were
on them. now the question is, will these games work best in a windows
xp virtual machine? or will the dos games work best in a vinux virtual
machine with orca and dosemu or a vinux vm with speakup in a console?
and does speakup support laptop layout?
most of these games are text with no sound, if any sound it comes
through the pc speaker. like beeps and stuff.
thanks

Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread shaun everiss
well josh if you can aquire a keynote gold or other external synth, 
then you could use dosbox directly.
its only for us software speech junkies that dosbox won't work and I 
think there are  even usb synths these days.
jaws for dos is free and well if you do manage to get an external 
synth then dosbox will work for you.


At 02:55 AM 6/20/2013, you wrote:
hmmm, looks like my options are windows xp with NVDA in a virtual 
machine, linux with dosemu but no sound, or save my money, get a 
doubletalk and USB to serial converter and a demo of asap screen 
reader. in the meantime since I don't have the money to spend it 
looks like i'll be going the linux and dosemu way for now.



On 6/19/2013 6:28 AM, Phil Vlasak wrote:

Hi Josh,
All of the DOS games you described were developed by me and Carl when we
were known as Personal Computer Systems.
I don't mind you distributing the games as they never had registratio
keys to keep people from copying themn and giving them out to friends.
The instructions file did state that this copying would prevent us from
developing new games with no registration system.
However I amnot giving nay help in trying to get the games to work on
today's computers.
They were writen and designed specifilly for computers running Windows
98 with a hardware speech synthesizer such as DEC talk or Double Talk.
Several of the games used the PC speaker as a major part of the sound
creating part and would be difficult to play without that feature.
  I think today's computers have done away with the PC speaker that was
supposed to just mak a beep when your computer was booting.
My plan was to convert some of thos games to Windows but the long Sarah
game development has delayed this.
My next Windows game will be a combination of Cops and Shoot.
I do not plan on doing a Windows version of Baseball or Football right
now as those games already have accessible windows versions from other
companies.
Phil
p...@pcsgames.net

- Original Message - From: Josh Kennedy joshknnd1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:58 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!



hi everyone!

I have them! I have fully registered copies of
any night football and its update
world series baseball and its update
fox-hunt
mobius mountain
monopoly for dos by pcs games
and more! download them at.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/frot4d

if anyone has shoot97 or cops for dos we don't have those on floppy
disks. my friend jason brought a bunch of floppy disks and games were
on them. now the question is, will these games work best in a windows
xp virtual machine? or will the dos games work best in a vinux virtual
machine with orca and dosemu or a vinux vm with speakup in a console?
and does speakup support laptop layout?
most of these games are text with no sound, if any sound it comes
through the pc speaker. like beeps and stuff.
thanks

Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Phil Vlasak

hi Desiree,
My DOS Shoot game uses the PC speaker for targeting, so even a virtual xp 
computer might not have a working pc speaker.
I am planning to create a similar game for windows using the GMA game 
engine.

I can't say when it will be finished.
Phil

- Original Message - 
From: Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com

To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!



Hi,
I was wary of responding to this topic until we heard from the
developers of the original games. Since we have, I'll ask my question.
The shooting range isn't part of the package of games you provided, at
least not that I've seen. Do you have it? that was my favorite PCS
title. I never bought the full version, since I was a kid when I
played it, but, unrealistic sounds or not, it provided me much
entertainment. I especially loved blowing up the propane tanks.

On 6/19/13, Josh Kennedy joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote:

hmmm, looks like my options are windows xp with NVDA in a virtual
machine, linux with dosemu but no sound, or save my money, get a
doubletalk and USB to serial converter and a demo of asap screen reader.
in the meantime since I don't have the money to spend it looks like i'll
be going the linux and dosemu way for now.


On 6/19/2013 6:28 AM, Phil Vlasak wrote:

Hi Josh,
All of the DOS games you described were developed by me and Carl when we
were known as Personal Computer Systems.
I don't mind you distributing the games as they never had registratio
keys to keep people from copying themn and giving them out to friends.
The instructions file did state that this copying would prevent us from
developing new games with no registration system.
However I amnot giving nay help in trying to get the games to work on
today's computers.
They were writen and designed specifilly for computers running Windows
98 with a hardware speech synthesizer such as DEC talk or Double Talk.
Several of the games used the PC speaker as a major part of the sound
creating part and would be difficult to play without that feature.
  I think today's computers have done away with the PC speaker that was
supposed to just mak a beep when your computer was booting.
My plan was to convert some of thos games to Windows but the long Sarah
game development has delayed this.
My next Windows game will be a combination of Cops and Shoot.
I do not plan on doing a Windows version of Baseball or Football right
now as those games already have accessible windows versions from other
companies.
Phil
p...@pcsgames.net

- Original Message - From: Josh Kennedy
joshknnd1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:58 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!



hi everyone!

I have them! I have fully registered copies of
any night football and its update
world series baseball and its update
fox-hunt
mobius mountain
monopoly for dos by pcs games
and more! download them at.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/frot4d

if anyone has shoot97 or cops for dos we don't have those on floppy
disks. my friend jason brought a bunch of floppy disks and games were
on them. now the question is, will these games work best in a windows
xp virtual machine? or will the dos games work best in a vinux virtual
machine with orca and dosemu or a vinux vm with speakup in a console?
and does speakup support laptop layout?
most of these games are text with no sound, if any sound it comes
through the pc speaker. like beeps and stuff.
thanks

Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Phil Vlasak

Hi Josh,
Any Night Football is very close to Jim Kitchen's football game.
The two major differences is that it had real player's stats from the 1988
season and that it had more choices for offence and defense.
I didn't want to develop a windows version since I didn't think anyone would
purchase a game that they could have for free.
Phil

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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!



plans for any night football thomas?

On 6/19/2013 7:19 AM, Thomas Ward wrote:

Hi Ron,

I've been looking at rewriting some of my favorite Dos games in Python
so they would be cross-platform, and be available for a modern PC
running say Windows 7, but I wouldn't do it without Phil's personal go
ahead as they still belong to PCS games as far as I am concerned.

Cheers!


On 6/18/13, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote:

This is a huge huge shame.
But that's what happens when we up grade to try and stay up with the
times.
Now to bad we can't convirt these old classics to the windows platforms.
Now I know there's some knowledgable people on this list that would know
how

to convert them.
Any takers?
Thanks.



Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states
that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week.


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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Josh Kennedy
yeah its too bad espeak can't be made to work in dosbox. make a dos 
screen reader like asap use maybe an accent on com3 then have something 
outside dosbox intercept and listen on that port and redirect it to 
espeak and convert the accent codes to something espeak understands.


Josh


On 6/19/2013 3:35 PM, shaun everiss wrote:

well josh if you can aquire a keynote gold or other external synth, then
you could use dosbox directly.
its only for us software speech junkies that dosbox won't work and I
think there are  even usb synths these days.
jaws for dos is free and well if you do manage to get an external synth
then dosbox will work for you.

At 02:55 AM 6/20/2013, you wrote:

hmmm, looks like my options are windows xp with NVDA in a virtual
machine, linux with dosemu but no sound, or save my money, get a
doubletalk and USB to serial converter and a demo of asap screen
reader. in the meantime since I don't have the money to spend it looks
like i'll be going the linux and dosemu way for now.


On 6/19/2013 6:28 AM, Phil Vlasak wrote:

Hi Josh,
All of the DOS games you described were developed by me and Carl when we
were known as Personal Computer Systems.
I don't mind you distributing the games as they never had registratio
keys to keep people from copying themn and giving them out to friends.
The instructions file did state that this copying would prevent us from
developing new games with no registration system.
However I amnot giving nay help in trying to get the games to work on
today's computers.
They were writen and designed specifilly for computers running Windows
98 with a hardware speech synthesizer such as DEC talk or Double Talk.
Several of the games used the PC speaker as a major part of the sound
creating part and would be difficult to play without that feature.
  I think today's computers have done away with the PC speaker that was
supposed to just mak a beep when your computer was booting.
My plan was to convert some of thos games to Windows but the long Sarah
game development has delayed this.
My next Windows game will be a combination of Cops and Shoot.
I do not plan on doing a Windows version of Baseball or Football right
now as those games already have accessible windows versions from other
companies.
Phil
p...@pcsgames.net

- Original Message - From: Josh Kennedy
joshknnd1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:58 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!



hi everyone!

I have them! I have fully registered copies of
any night football and its update
world series baseball and its update
fox-hunt
mobius mountain
monopoly for dos by pcs games
and more! download them at.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/frot4d

if anyone has shoot97 or cops for dos we don't have those on floppy
disks. my friend jason brought a bunch of floppy disks and games were
on them. now the question is, will these games work best in a windows
xp virtual machine? or will the dos games work best in a vinux virtual
machine with orca and dosemu or a vinux vm with speakup in a console?
and does speakup support laptop layout?
most of these games are text with no sound, if any sound it comes
through the pc speaker. like beeps and stuff.
thanks

Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Josh Kennedy
yes true. Well as soon as I get a windows xp vm set up here then I can 
play any night football and some of the other games.



On 6/19/2013 3:38 PM, Phil Vlasak wrote:

Hi Josh,
Any Night Football is very close to Jim Kitchen's football game.
The two major differences is that it had real player's stats from the 1988
season and that it had more choices for offence and defense.
I didn't want to develop a windows version since I didn't think anyone
would
purchase a game that they could have for free.
Phil

- Original Message - From: Josh Kennedy joshknnd1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!



plans for any night football thomas?

On 6/19/2013 7:19 AM, Thomas Ward wrote:

Hi Ron,

I've been looking at rewriting some of my favorite Dos games in Python
so they would be cross-platform, and be available for a modern PC
running say Windows 7, but I wouldn't do it without Phil's personal go
ahead as they still belong to PCS games as far as I am concerned.

Cheers!


On 6/18/13, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote:

This is a huge huge shame.
But that's what happens when we up grade to try and stay up with the
times.
Now to bad we can't convirt these old classics to the windows
platforms.
Now I know there's some knowledgable people on this list that would
know
how

to convert them.
Any takers?
Thanks.



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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Desiree Oudinot
Ah well. Thanks for looking, I appreciate it.

On 6/19/13, Josh Kennedy joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 I looked through all of jason's disks and could not find the shooting
 range game. sorry. I wish I had found that one though.

 On 6/19/2013 3:09 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote:
 Hi,
 I was wary of responding to this topic until we heard from the
 developers of the original games. Since we have, I'll ask my question.
 The shooting range isn't part of the package of games you provided, at
 least not that I've seen. Do you have it? that was my favorite PCS
 title. I never bought the full version, since I was a kid when I
 played it, but, unrealistic sounds or not, it provided me much
 entertainment. I especially loved blowing up the propane tanks.

 On 6/19/13, Josh Kennedy joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 hmmm, looks like my options are windows xp with NVDA in a virtual
 machine, linux with dosemu but no sound, or save my money, get a
 doubletalk and USB to serial converter and a demo of asap screen reader.
 in the meantime since I don't have the money to spend it looks like i'll
 be going the linux and dosemu way for now.


 On 6/19/2013 6:28 AM, Phil Vlasak wrote:
 Hi Josh,
 All of the DOS games you described were developed by me and Carl when
 we
 were known as Personal Computer Systems.
 I don't mind you distributing the games as they never had registratio
 keys to keep people from copying themn and giving them out to friends.
 The instructions file did state that this copying would prevent us from
 developing new games with no registration system.
 However I amnot giving nay help in trying to get the games to work on
 today's computers.
 They were writen and designed specifilly for computers running Windows
 98 with a hardware speech synthesizer such as DEC talk or Double Talk.
 Several of the games used the PC speaker as a major part of the sound
 creating part and would be difficult to play without that feature.
I think today's computers have done away with the PC speaker that
 was
 supposed to just mak a beep when your computer was booting.
 My plan was to convert some of thos games to Windows but the long Sarah
 game development has delayed this.
 My next Windows game will be a combination of Cops and Shoot.
 I do not plan on doing a Windows version of Baseball or Football right
 now as those games already have accessible windows versions from other
 companies.
 Phil
 p...@pcsgames.net

 - Original Message - From: Josh Kennedy
 joshknnd1...@gmail.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:58 PM
 Subject: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!


 hi everyone!

 I have them! I have fully registered copies of
 any night football and its update
 world series baseball and its update
 fox-hunt
 mobius mountain
 monopoly for dos by pcs games
 and more! download them at.

 http://www.sendspace.com/file/frot4d

 if anyone has shoot97 or cops for dos we don't have those on floppy
 disks. my friend jason brought a bunch of floppy disks and games were
 on them. now the question is, will these games work best in a windows
 xp virtual machine? or will the dos games work best in a vinux virtual
 machine with orca and dosemu or a vinux vm with speakup in a console?
 and does speakup support laptop layout?
 most of these games are text with no sound, if any sound it comes
 through the pc speaker. like beeps and stuff.
 thanks

 Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Desiree Oudinot
Hi,
I dragged out an old machine that's running Windows XP. It does have a
PC speaker. I think it was purchased in 2002. I remember playing the
demos of your games previously on it, and the PC speaker worked. The
only thing I have to do to get this machine up and running again is to
replace the fan.
I do look forward to the game you mentioned. It sounds intriguing.
Considering that the shooting range and Cops were both excellent, I
imagine that merging them will create something very worth my time and
money.

On 6/19/13, Phil Vlasak phi...@bex.net wrote:
 hi Desiree,
 My DOS Shoot game uses the PC speaker for targeting, so even a virtual xp
 computer might not have a working pc speaker.
 I am planning to create a similar game for windows using the GMA game
 engine.
 I can't say when it will be finished.
 Phil

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 From: Desiree Oudinot turtlepowe...@gmail.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!


 Hi,
 I was wary of responding to this topic until we heard from the
 developers of the original games. Since we have, I'll ask my question.
 The shooting range isn't part of the package of games you provided, at
 least not that I've seen. Do you have it? that was my favorite PCS
 title. I never bought the full version, since I was a kid when I
 played it, but, unrealistic sounds or not, it provided me much
 entertainment. I especially loved blowing up the propane tanks.

 On 6/19/13, Josh Kennedy joshknnd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 hmmm, looks like my options are windows xp with NVDA in a virtual
 machine, linux with dosemu but no sound, or save my money, get a
 doubletalk and USB to serial converter and a demo of asap screen reader.
 in the meantime since I don't have the money to spend it looks like i'll
 be going the linux and dosemu way for now.


 On 6/19/2013 6:28 AM, Phil Vlasak wrote:
 Hi Josh,
 All of the DOS games you described were developed by me and Carl when
 we
 were known as Personal Computer Systems.
 I don't mind you distributing the games as they never had registratio
 keys to keep people from copying themn and giving them out to friends.
 The instructions file did state that this copying would prevent us from
 developing new games with no registration system.
 However I amnot giving nay help in trying to get the games to work on
 today's computers.
 They were writen and designed specifilly for computers running Windows
 98 with a hardware speech synthesizer such as DEC talk or Double Talk.
 Several of the games used the PC speaker as a major part of the sound
 creating part and would be difficult to play without that feature.
   I think today's computers have done away with the PC speaker that was
 supposed to just mak a beep when your computer was booting.
 My plan was to convert some of thos games to Windows but the long Sarah
 game development has delayed this.
 My next Windows game will be a combination of Cops and Shoot.
 I do not plan on doing a Windows version of Baseball or Football right
 now as those games already have accessible windows versions from other
 companies.
 Phil
 p...@pcsgames.net

 - Original Message - From: Josh Kennedy
 joshknnd1...@gmail.com
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:58 PM
 Subject: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!


 hi everyone!

 I have them! I have fully registered copies of
 any night football and its update
 world series baseball and its update
 fox-hunt
 mobius mountain
 monopoly for dos by pcs games
 and more! download them at.

 http://www.sendspace.com/file/frot4d

 if anyone has shoot97 or cops for dos we don't have those on floppy
 disks. my friend jason brought a bunch of floppy disks and games were
 on them. now the question is, will these games work best in a windows
 xp virtual machine? or will the dos games work best in a vinux virtual
 machine with orca and dosemu or a vinux vm with speakup in a console?
 and does speakup support laptop layout?
 most of these games are text with no sound, if any sound it comes
 through the pc speaker. like beeps and stuff.
 thanks

 Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-19 Thread Ron Kolesar

Well then.
We'll just have to wait until Phil has the time to get his cops and robers 
game up and running.
Since he was saying that he was planning on taking the old cops games and 
the old classic favorite shoting gallory gams and murging them together for 
a brand new adventure.

So thanks for the write back.




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-Original Message- 
From: Thomas Ward

Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:23 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

Hi Ron,

No. Something you need to understand is that newer 64-bit processors
and 64-bit operating systems such as Windows 7 are not able to execute
8-bit and 16-bit programs without some virtual emulation layer like
Dosbox, Dosemu, etc. So unfortunately these games are out of the
question.

On 6/18/13, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote:

Will these games work with win 7 in the 64 bit world?
I remember the shootting gallary.
But what is the cops game and how is it played?
Many Many Thanks



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[Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-18 Thread Josh Kennedy

hi everyone!

I have them! I have fully registered copies of
any night football and its update
world series baseball and its update
fox-hunt
mobius mountain
monopoly for dos by pcs games
and more! download them at.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/frot4d

if anyone has shoot97 or cops for dos we don't have those on floppy 
disks. my friend jason brought a bunch of floppy disks and games were on 
them. now the question is, will these games work best in a windows xp 
virtual machine? or will the dos games work best in a vinux virtual 
machine with orca and dosemu or a vinux vm with speakup in a console? 
and does speakup support laptop layout?
most of these games are text with no sound, if any sound it comes 
through the pc speaker. like beeps and stuff.

thanks

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-18 Thread Ron Kolesar

Will these games work with win 7 in the 64 bit world?
I remember the shootting gallary.
But what is the cops game and how is it played?
Many Many Thanks



Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states
that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week.
-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:58 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

hi everyone!

I have them! I have fully registered copies of
any night football and its update
world series baseball and its update
fox-hunt
mobius mountain
monopoly for dos by pcs games
and more! download them at.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/frot4d

if anyone has shoot97 or cops for dos we don't have those on floppy
disks. my friend jason brought a bunch of floppy disks and games were on
them. now the question is, will these games work best in a windows xp
virtual machine? or will the dos games work best in a vinux virtual
machine with orca and dosemu or a vinux vm with speakup in a console?
and does speakup support laptop layout?
most of these games are text with no sound, if any sound it comes
through the pc speaker. like beeps and stuff.
thanks

Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-18 Thread Josh Kennedy
no sorry they don't work with windows7 64bit. i tried. you'll need 
windoww xp, or or windows xp virtual machine or linux with dosemu 
installed.


On 6/18/2013 6:57 PM, Ron Kolesar wrote:

Will these games work with win 7 in the 64 bit world?
I remember the shootting gallary.
But what is the cops game and how is it played?
Many Many Thanks



Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states
that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week.
-Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:58 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

hi everyone!

I have them! I have fully registered copies of
any night football and its update
world series baseball and its update
fox-hunt
mobius mountain
monopoly for dos by pcs games
and more! download them at.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/frot4d

if anyone has shoot97 or cops for dos we don't have those on floppy
disks. my friend jason brought a bunch of floppy disks and games were on
them. now the question is, will these games work best in a windows xp
virtual machine? or will the dos games work best in a vinux virtual
machine with orca and dosemu or a vinux vm with speakup in a console?
and does speakup support laptop layout?
most of these games are text with no sound, if any sound it comes
through the pc speaker. like beeps and stuff.
thanks

Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-18 Thread Ron Kolesar

This is a huge huge shame.
But that's what happens when we up grade to try and stay up with the times.
Now to bad we can't convirt these old classics to the windows platforms.
Now I know there's some knowledgable people on this list that would know how 
to convert them.

Any takers?
Thanks.



Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states
that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week.
-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:09 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

no sorry they don't work with windows7 64bit. i tried. you'll need
windoww xp, or or windows xp virtual machine or linux with dosemu
installed.

On 6/18/2013 6:57 PM, Ron Kolesar wrote:

Will these games work with win 7 in the 64 bit world?
I remember the shootting gallary.
But what is the cops game and how is it played?
Many Many Thanks



Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states
that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week.
-Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:58 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

hi everyone!

I have them! I have fully registered copies of
any night football and its update
world series baseball and its update
fox-hunt
mobius mountain
monopoly for dos by pcs games
and more! download them at.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/frot4d

if anyone has shoot97 or cops for dos we don't have those on floppy
disks. my friend jason brought a bunch of floppy disks and games were on
them. now the question is, will these games work best in a windows xp
virtual machine? or will the dos games work best in a vinux virtual
machine with orca and dosemu or a vinux vm with speakup in a console?
and does speakup support laptop layout?
most of these games are text with no sound, if any sound it comes
through the pc speaker. like beeps and stuff.
thanks

Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-18 Thread shaun everiss

hmmm.
Well pz98 is now gtc, well sort of.
trek99 is trek2k lonewolf is lonewolf.
shoot97 is nothing but to be honest its been demonstrated that a 
shooting range can be fit in bgt, we would have to just make the 
targets, all the guns used we have the sfx from the actual game could 
find less crappy ones, I don't think the range is beyond us.
The cops program I have no idea how to do but again its not really 
beyond us really.
The math and mobius games not sure how they were structured but its 
text and some minimalistic sfx and it would be done.
Snipe hunt tried to become windows but was ok but still semi crappy 
but all these can go to bgt without any issue I have no idea how to 
get it going or have the time right now but I have seen at least 1 
example of something simular in bgt.


At 12:33 PM 6/19/2013, you wrote:

This is a huge huge shame.
But that's what happens when we up grade to try and stay up with the times.
Now to bad we can't convirt these old classics to the windows platforms.
Now I know there's some knowledgable people on this list that would 
know how to convert them.

Any takers?
Thanks.



Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states
that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week.
-Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:09 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

no sorry they don't work with windows7 64bit. i tried. you'll need
windoww xp, or or windows xp virtual machine or linux with dosemu
installed.

On 6/18/2013 6:57 PM, Ron Kolesar wrote:

Will these games work with win 7 in the 64 bit world?
I remember the shootting gallary.
But what is the cops game and how is it played?
Many Many Thanks



Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states
that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week.
-Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:58 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

hi everyone!

I have them! I have fully registered copies of
any night football and its update
world series baseball and its update
fox-hunt
mobius mountain
monopoly for dos by pcs games
and more! download them at.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/frot4d

if anyone has shoot97 or cops for dos we don't have those on floppy
disks. my friend jason brought a bunch of floppy disks and games were on
them. now the question is, will these games work best in a windows xp
virtual machine? or will the dos games work best in a vinux virtual
machine with orca and dosemu or a vinux vm with speakup in a console?
and does speakup support laptop layout?
most of these games are text with no sound, if any sound it comes
through the pc speaker. like beeps and stuff.
thanks

Josh

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Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

2013-06-18 Thread Josh Kennedy

or a linux virtual machine with dosemu installed.

On 6/18/2013 8:33 PM, Ron Kolesar wrote:

This is a huge huge shame.
But that's what happens when we up grade to try and stay up with the times.
Now to bad we can't convirt these old classics to the windows platforms.
Now I know there's some knowledgable people on this list that would know
how to convert them.
Any takers?
Thanks.



Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states
that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week.
-Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:09 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

no sorry they don't work with windows7 64bit. i tried. you'll need
windoww xp, or or windows xp virtual machine or linux with dosemu
installed.

On 6/18/2013 6:57 PM, Ron Kolesar wrote:

Will these games work with win 7 in the 64 bit world?
I remember the shootting gallary.
But what is the cops game and how is it played?
Many Many Thanks



Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states
that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week.
-Original Message- From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:58 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] old dos games here they are!

hi everyone!

I have them! I have fully registered copies of
any night football and its update
world series baseball and its update
fox-hunt
mobius mountain
monopoly for dos by pcs games
and more! download them at.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/frot4d

if anyone has shoot97 or cops for dos we don't have those on floppy
disks. my friend jason brought a bunch of floppy disks and games were on
them. now the question is, will these games work best in a windows xp
virtual machine? or will the dos games work best in a vinux virtual
machine with orca and dosemu or a vinux vm with speakup in a console?
and does speakup support laptop layout?
most of these games are text with no sound, if any sound it comes
through the pc speaker. like beeps and stuff.
thanks

Josh

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