hmmm I am interested in hybred games.
audio and text would make best of both worlds.
voiceovers and such to maybe if we can handle it to with audio and
also spoken text that appears on screen a screenreader can read who knows.
Pure text maybe depends what the game is.
At 06:20 PM 10/30/2013,
I know that I have sent an article twice. As a reminder, it is the second
part to my article on Hi Q, a puzzle that you can make yourself, along with
the solution. Now that you have found a copy of issue 55, I suggest that
you send it out. Thanks.
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I think that a podcast has it's place, maybe as an addition to the magazine,
but not as a replacement. I would rather read a magazine than listen to
someone else do the reading. This is why I prefer braille over all other
formats. A podcast could include a discussion of games, game audio
No offense taken. I agree that we should branch out, but the tree trunk
should remain intact.
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent:
There are a lot of text games and audio games that are made for iDevices.
These are not for blind people, but we can, and do, play them. So do people
who have good eyesight. In a lot of these games, you must rely on your ears
to play, not your eyes, and they are popular with gamers.
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Hi Shaun,
I agree the best of both worlds are highbred's like Destination Mars
or Dodge City Desperados precisely because they don't need lots of
graphics, are fully accessible using a screen reader, and still have
plenty of game sounds etc to qualify as an audio game. Interesting
enough I have
hi tom.
i do think text based games do have their place for sure. unfortunately if you
look at a lot of browser based text games there isn't much imagination put into
them a lot of the time. with acceptions like core exiles or space odacey. i
think this is why people are losing interest in
Hi Tom.
On the point of text based games it's actually interesting how many new
games are being developed, look at choiceofgames on the iphone as a prime
example.
The only problem is not all of these are accessible. I was for example
rather disappointed that the tinman series of gamebooks,
Hi Tom.
That idea of separate categories sounds like a good one, plus then of course
I could add the links to reviews or walkthrus to relevent entries on
audiogames.net. I've already been doing this with sites like applevis, and
it would be no trouble to do it with audeasy either.
Beware
hi tom
you could use stattic graphics in the game to illustrate a given situation. so
as well as a bang that you'd hear you'd see a static version of the explosion
as well. a few games use this tactic as well and this also has encouraged
people to write in and submit additional graphical
that's because they put so much graphical content into the game and not much
else there's very little replay value. also the system requirements for said
games are becoming insane now. the pioneers of games such as elite are still
being talked about today and for very very good reason. but i
hi all,
so am playing on the PVE server. no aliens have attacked me yet lol. but i am
starting to wonder a few things about this particular game.
the biggest thing i'm wondering is how you can make money? i mean yes i use
missions to bring me in segments so i convert them to farms i do all
hi all, i know this may be slightley off topic but i am struggling.
i am wanting to close my blueyonder account and have all my emails come to my
hotmail account.
therefore please could some one tell me how i can do this.
if some one could help i would be most grateful.
Regards
Christopher
Hi Tom.
While I do see your point and generally speaking would agree, at the same
time the Iphone has seen more than a few interactive audio dramas which
directly buck this trend.
Codename Signus, the Freq, Blindside and quite a few others, even to a large
extent games like papasangre which
I Agree on that one darren, more than a few text games just don't use
themedium particularly well, and don't include descriptions, atmospheric
text or anything else. It's really quite disappointing.
Fortunately though ther are still a few good ones out there.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
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Hi Darren.
I'd not claime to be an expert but as far as I can determine, it's a major
question of investment. Look for missions that give money, build as many
biofarms as humanly possible, and use the interest from your secret base.
Later on you can also invest by buying commander skills or
Hi Darren,
I've noticed that as well. A lot of text based games such as browser
based games have a lack of a good storyline which is a real problem
for that genre of game since those sorts of games are really Dependant
on a good storyline and decent writing. All the same if we had one or
two
Hi Dark,
I see your point. That is in fact why as I am working on the
descriptions for the Audyssey Magazine, list, etc I am strongly
considering removing the word blind from the website, and am going to
focus more on what types of games etc are discussed here. I think as
long as we act as though
Hi Tom.
It is what I actually wrote in the 4th chapter of my phd. The over whelming
social reaction to any sort of disability is that it's something different,
that a person with none working body parts or a medical condition that
causes them to live life differently is intrinsically another
Hi Dark,
Very true. I know a lot of people who are disappointed with the
current state of affairs with mainstream games for the Xbox, Play
Station, Wii, etc. A lot of that has to do with the fact companies no
longer build fun and interesting games with in depth plots or
storylines. Instead they
Yeah I try and do the worker missions and gain interest that way. I do the
segment ones as well. The voting money I've decided I'm going to put in the
asteroid base.
If it's PVE and non PVP what stops you from attacking another player? I mean
you can click on players near you in the rankings
I think that's a big part of the problem. Too much enphesis I think is put
on the word blind. Which isn't all together a bad thing as with any game
there needs to be elements of accessibility built in so blind people can
play them. But I think the enphesis is way to big. I mean for example and
Hi Tom.
that is unfortunately true, though of course it's not universal. My brother
is a big dark souls fan precisely because! of the open ended story, detailed
mechanics and complex world, though in fairness detailed games seem to be
few and far between in the mainstream.
This is also why
Well Darren I sort of assume if you try to attack another player you'll get
a message telling you not to, for all the button is still there, or maybe
you just attack but do no damage and gain no reward.
I don't know how exactly it's disabled, but I don't doubt it is.
another thing to bare in
That's because of who they are designed for. The blind. No negativity
intended. The problem might be the way in which the word blind is taken.
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From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
To:
I would love to see elite made accessible. I loved that game and hope it makes
it to ios some day.
-original message-
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] text based games was: Re: Audyssey Magazine
From: dark d...@xgam.org
Date: 30:10:2013 2.31 pm
Hi Tom.
that is unfortunately true, though of course it's
Yeah this is true. Have you found a workable way of doing this yet?
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] space odacy help
From: dark d...@xgam.org
Date: 30:10:2013 2.34 pm
Well Darren I sort of assume if you try to attack another player you'll get
a message telling you not to, for all the
The point is that there is way too much placed on that word. Yes i'm blind i
don't care about saying that i an but i don't go about saying blind this blind
that. It's silly.
-original message-
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com
Date: 30:10:2013
Hi Tom and all
I do agree with what you said. I believe a podcast would be a good
enhancement to say a written review of a given game. Addressing the
idea of storage space needed I don't know how much the cost would
increase for the webisite, but an alternative could be sendspace. The
Hi Tom
For sure I'll send out 55 to you shortly and by all means we can
colaberate on having Audyssey rise again like the phoenix.
Talk soon
On 30-Oct-2013 1:05 AM, Thomas Ward wrote:
Hi Ron,
If you'd be willing to collaborate on it you could send me what you
have for issue 55 and I can
Dark said: it'd be great to have some actual guidelines which people
could google.
There are such guidelines available at blindcomputergames.com. If there
are things that need to be added, we would welcome suggestions from list
members to improve them. Dark did make suggestions when we
The problem with sendspace is that the files don't stay there indefinitely. We
would need a perninant archive. Dropbox relies on people actualy subscribing to
the service. People will simply want to find the material there and then.
-original message-
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey
From: Ron
Hi Darren,
Agreed. I don't might tellig people I am blind, but I don't go around
actively labeling thing with the blind label either such as blind
games, blind computer software, blind computer, whatever. That's a bit
silly.
On 10/30/13, darren_g_har...@btinternet.com
Hi Charles,
Well, that's precisely the problem. A lot of audio games etc are
developed especially for the blind and while that does not in of
itself preclude sighted users from playing the word blind has a
negative stigma attached to it which can adversely effect their
opinion of the game or
Hi Darren
Valid points indeed. However the files for sendspace could always be
uploaded again if someone were willing or several people if they have an
account. Or if someone has a pro it's pretty much permanent. As for
dropbox yes the same would apply we'd need a longer term host.
A
Exactly. The main reason why for example i would call games like tank commander
blind friendly and not accessible is because they are not accessible to some
groups. How would a def blind person play that game? They couldn't because if
memory serves there is no text generated to send to a brail
Hi Darren,
Yes, exactly. I cringe every time I see a site calling itself Blind
Software, Blind Bargains, Blind Games, or anything else that
advertises a blind specific clientele. I think too much emphasis is
made on the fact that the website caters to the blind, and we end up
shutting out sighted
Hi Darren,
I would classify Tank Commander as an audio game. That would let the
end user know right away that the primary medium of interaction is
audio rather than visual, and there is no text or braille available
for deaf-blind or deaf players. So the term accessibility is one with
specific
Yes exactly. Things do need to be opened up there for sure. The mag does need
revamping, it needs propper distribution and it needs to attract attention. If
this isn't done then its pointless and a waste of time doing the mag at all.
-original message-
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
Hi Dark,
That is pretty much how I feel about it as well. I don't have a
problem with stating that a game is accessible to blind gamers as long
as it is written in such a way to make sighted mainstream gamers aware
that the game is playable by them as well. The point is not to
emphasize the
Hi Ron,
Learning HTML is quite easy. For the time being I'd be willing to tag
and markup the magazine myself, and you can use one as a template or
sample how to do it yourself in the future if you wanted to learn how
to do it.
As for Sendspace yes it is free, but files will only remain on the
Always assuming of course that they can get past the lack of graphical cues
for what's going on.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
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From: Thomas Ward
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:13 AM
To: Gamers
Hi all,
Anyone know of any good online games?
Lindsay Cowell.
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- Original Message -
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
Of what type? That is an extremely broad question.
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From: lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:37 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] Online games.
Hi all,
The yearly Halloween Havoc bash on Alter Aeon is almost upon us! As an
early treat, the level 34 Temple of Sand and Water area has been
reopened, while the main event starts tomorrow morning, on Thursday,
October 31, at 9:00 am EST (6 am system time). The event schedule is
roughly as follows:
Nice, can't wait... :D
On 10/30/13, Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com wrote:
The yearly Halloween Havoc bash on Alter Aeon is almost upon us! As an
early treat, the level 34 Temple of Sand and Water area has been
reopened, while the main event starts tomorrow morning, on Thursday,
October 31, at
Sounds very awesome! Looking forward to it...
On 10/30/13, Oriol Gómez ogomez@gmail.com wrote:
Nice, can't wait... :D
On 10/30/13, Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com wrote:
The yearly Halloween Havoc bash on Alter Aeon is almost upon us! As an
early treat, the level 34 Temple of Sand and Water
I already have many game podcast reviews. I think many of you have heard
them. I would be happy to provide them to the mag. I need to make more.
-Original Message-
From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ron
Schamerhorn
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:10 AM
I wish I could still find Charles' stereo review o Ten Pin Alley. That was
one of the best I'd ever heard. That and Dark's Fighting Fantasy podcast.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
-Original Message-
From: Darren Duff
Sent:
well thats good tom but if this could progress to more advanced games
like shooters and such at least for sighted who knows.
those games for what they are are good to waste 30 mins of time but
not much more than that.
I usually pull these out when I can't be bothered playing audio games
with
thats true dark, I have an autistic game friend that is graphic
hungry I have another friend that doesn't care and I have another
blind friend who's father plays ages of empires and other adventures
which both use mouse, graphics text and sound.
Apart from the japanese games though a lot of
I wish I could find it, too, before it was edited by
www.acbradio.org
for their Main Menu program.
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From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent:
Yeah really.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
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From: Charles Rivard
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:05 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey
I wish I could find it, too, before it
thats all well and good darren but my sighted friends like moving
graphics, there are other things to.
The issue with audio games in general if we want to keep them blind
friendly is they need to be restricted.
No blind or disabled or at least not many would have the state of the
art i7 with 16
yes and sadly that is what the industry is coming to.
They don't want real games they just want crappy after crappy game.
they have grone up just going bang, bang, bang.
To change that is going to be hard.
people like going bang for some reason never mind what sitting for
hours bashing a game
criss I'd actually go and use gmail rather than hotmail.
you should be able to foreward your blueyonda to your account on
gmail or hotmail I forget now right now.
My dad still has a telecom account locally and forewards it to gmail
in case business and stuff he needs access to email him.
That happened to me once, I worked out that it was because of my sitting
position that's what messed me up.
-Original Message-
From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss
Sent: 30 October 2013 20:14
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] text
true tom and also blind games were vastly different from the sighted.
That gap is largly no more.
Yes there is still a difference but we are finally after quite a few
years are close enough that we have the same level of tech the
sighted has with maybe a few less things with graphics and3d fx
yeah things are certainly changing. But the gaming industry needs to pull
its socks up seriously. No imagination I mean when was there a really good
space game out last?
-Original Message-
From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss
Sent: 30 October 2013
well I think the word blind could be substatuted as graphicless.
after all being blind is in fact not far from the truth of being
graphicless or imagless.
We are for the most part only audio enabled.
I joke with my computer and hacker friends when they ask me what is
being blind like.
And I
true, this excludes the japanese stuff which always seems to be good.
Though the same could be with tv.
used to battle to see what scifi program I'd watch.
its not all reality and tallent.
thats fine but real life on tv is not always the thing you want.
At 01:50 AM 10/31/2013, you wrote:
Hi
I sent this to a member instead of to the list.
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Online games.
From: lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com
Date: 30/10/2013 6:32 pm
Currently I'm just trying any, to see what I'm interested in.
-original message-
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Online games.
From:
well true.
Ofcause a lot of people that are sighted wouldn't think twice about
how bad some blind software is because its not for sighted.
However I have used both sighted and blind enabled programs for admin
and guess what the simpler programs without all the extra guff are
more userfriendly
well thats why I like alter it is in the most point open ended.
At 03:30 AM 10/31/2013, you wrote:
Hi Tom.
that is unfortunately true, though of course it's not universal. My
brother is a big dark souls fan precisely because! of the open ended
story, detailed mechanics and complex world,
well I do know alter ian does have pk in sertain times but only for
sertain times and sertain things.
I have tried once to see and you can't actually do that though you
can kill all npcs if you wish it.
At 03:33 AM 10/31/2013, you wrote:
Well Darren I sort of assume if you try to attack
I aggree.
With the level of tech these days most things do work.
I do mention it if I need to, navigation wise, tech wise and other
things wise sertainly a different outlook.
I never say because I am blind I am entitled to this or can't do that
or don't need to do that though.
In some cases
I could handle the dropbox side or someone could but I'd have to buy
the space ofcause.
same with sendspace.
I could go unlimited data and use a server but then I'd need at least
50-80 dollars a month in donations to make it viable or at least half
of what I was paying maybe 40-50 bucks a
Well we are in the age of the loyer these days and not in the age of common
sense. Which is why people simply don't have a clue as to what to do when
something goes wrong. That really is the long and the short of it. is it any
wonder games are 5 minute wonders with the sorts of mentality we see
ron what about sending the list 55 if its finnished at least we get 1
normal issue this year if its ready.
after that though we will need to get our act together on what to do with it.
All issues should still be downloadable as text and things.
My idea for the cast could either be.
1. a pdcast
Well I tried to attack a player but it wouldn't let me. which is ok because
I didn't actually want to attack anybody I simply wanted to test a theory.
The trouble now is what do we do as a way of making money in this game. By
that I mean it's very very slow to make money, somehow you need to make
well you can share links with the dropbox folders but yeah people
would have to subscribe to it.
Even so.
on the other hand a perminant ftp server would be better but space
bandwidth etc.
At 04:34 AM 10/31/2013, you wrote:
The problem with sendspace is that the files don't stay there
I've actually got an archive copy of the first 54 audyssey releases on
the main alter aeon server. I grabbed it a few years ago when there
was some concern about people mirroring it, or if it was even around
anymore. I plan to be around for quite a few years, and could host
the site if the
I aggree fully with tom.
now question is how do we do that.
firstly other disabilities.
I know of them physical, interlectial and a few other things.
I do not know how to adapt for them though and even if we did that,
how would get abled people on our side in a big way.
Ideally we need the power
Audio.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
-Original Message-
From: shaun everiss
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:24 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audyssey Magazine
well I think the word blind could be
tell me about it mate.
all the big guys spend half the time out doing each other and half
the time knocking the stuffing out of eachother and anyone in range.
At 09:45 AM 10/31/2013, you wrote:
Well we are in the age of the loyer these days and not in the age of common
sense. Which is why
Hi dentin well anything helps.
If people can host the text at least and anything else for close to
free if they have enough space on their sites and we can get some
mirrors going that will help.
It won't be everything though if we are going to stand on our own we
will eventually need to use
Hi Charlse.
when it comes to games like swamp, shades of doom etc, I disagree they are!
designed for the blind as you ubiquitously put it.
In britain anything designed for the blind is automatically aimed at the
over 70's more often than not, and frankly though there are some games with
It actually wouldn't be impossible to do darren, we've seen 3D flight sims
ala zero site or tdv, and we've seen equipment and mission systems too.It'd
be a lot of work to program of course, but it certainly wouldn't require
anything extraodinary or anything beyond the techniques we've seem
Not as yet darren, I've followed through with the guide which gives you a
pretty good and inexpensive ship, but I've not seriously played with the
designs so far.
It's just a matter of follwing the same process from the guide though,
tortuous though that is.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
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Hi Eleanor.
Oopse, it was silly of me to forget the sight, especially! since I've
actually directed developers to those guidelines in the past.
I'll have another look and a think about if there need to be any additions.
All the best,
Dark.
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Hi Tom.
While I do see your point about access for people with other disabilities,
with respect I don't entirely agree that this is something we particularly
need to do simply because there are many places it's done already.
go to a site like able games, penny arcade or even retroremakes,
Hi Darren.
I don't think any game in the entire universe is accessible to everyone!
that's just how things are.
Even something like the gaembooks on the ff project couldn't be played by
dislexic person.
I'd myself simply talk about games being accessible to different
disabilities. gma
Actually darren with a sendspace pro account the files do! stay perminantly.
With a free account they expire 30 days after the last time they were
downloaded, butsince free accounts are also limited to only 300 mb, that
probably wouldn't do for long podcasts.
Beware the Grue!
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Actually Tom as a miner correction the storage space limit on ss pro
accounts is not 100 gb for 90 days, it is 1200 gb and it is perminant!
The 100 gb is a band width limit if you use the faster ss pro download links
and that refreshes every months. if however you use standard ss links there
Hi linsay.
www.whitestick.co.uk is the place to look since they have a very good
selection on their games to play online page.
From that list I'd personally recommend core exiles, puppet nightmares,
Kingdom of loathing, metroplexity and possible sryth or space odyssey too,
but there are
Hi Bryan.
All my podcasts are on ss.
The fighting fantasy one:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/6gsse9
The bg hearts one:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/9wxtws
The x hour one:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/w0ki82
http://www.sendspace.com/file/lqucj4And the smugglers
I need to reccord some
Thanks Dark. The last time I tried to download the Fighting Fantasy podcast
from the link on audiogames.net it gave mea page load error.
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
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From: dark
Sent: Wednesday, October 30,
well I have never seen a podcast over 40mb.
some dramas can reach 80-200mb but not much more than that.
huge archives well.
zipped casts could be big.
At 11:03 AM 10/31/2013, you wrote:
Actually darren with a sendspace pro account the files do! stay perminantly.
With a free account they expire
Dark, you say it is unfair for an editor to need to wade through an article to
edit it?
Sorry, but that's any editor's job. ;)
Maybe I'm misunderstanding here, so apologies if that's the case.
Smiles,
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Hi Thomas,
One idea is to have Audyssey articles be blog postings and have the magazine in
its entirety either be links to those articles or have those articles be
arranged on a single web page.
This would be good on many levels, as not only would the entire issue be
available for those who
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