Re: [Audyssey] going off list
Well said Dark. I have seen this at least 100 times on e-mail lists... I just hope everything can get back to normal around here... -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 3:39 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] going off list Hello to Everyone. I freely admit that my own reaction here may have been just as over sensative as any in this rather ridiculous situation. thanks to some time, and all the very appreciative messages I recieved, I realized that perhaps my going off in a sulk would be a childish reaction and rather over blown given the situation. so, i will not be leaving the list, and thanks again to the many mails I recieved from people. I would however like to use the time to remind people of the fact that sinse mails are text, it is only the words someone reads that convey meaning. Thus sentences or points of tone that would be perfectly acceptable offline given the right intonation, appear quite different online. for instance, my brother always pickes up the phone and greets me with "greetings fool!" On the phone in my brothers tone of voice this is fine, however would I say it to someone on list or E-mail? - heck no! analysing the recent crysis, it seems that this is what happened, comments were taken out of context, people got irritated and the hole thing rather escalated. Might I recommend that everyone, distinctly and deffinately including myself, show some forthought in reading our comments and mails, and some considderation of what another person would see reading them. then perhaps such a ridiculous farse can be avoided in future, and also perhaps things can be repared. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6311 (20110720) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6312 (20110721) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6312 (20110721) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] going off list
i agree welcome back dark. lee In a message dated 7/21/2011 3:50:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jer...@kaldobsky.com writes: Welcome back Dark! :D --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] going off list
Welcome back Dark! :D --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] going off list
Hello to Everyone. I freely admit that my own reaction here may have been just as over sensative as any in this rather ridiculous situation. thanks to some time, and all the very appreciative messages I recieved, I realized that perhaps my going off in a sulk would be a childish reaction and rather over blown given the situation. so, i will not be leaving the list, and thanks again to the many mails I recieved from people. I would however like to use the time to remind people of the fact that sinse mails are text, it is only the words someone reads that convey meaning. Thus sentences or points of tone that would be perfectly acceptable offline given the right intonation, appear quite different online. for instance, my brother always pickes up the phone and greets me with "greetings fool!" On the phone in my brothers tone of voice this is fine, however would I say it to someone on list or E-mail? - heck no! analysing the recent crysis, it seems that this is what happened, comments were taken out of context, people got irritated and the hole thing rather escalated. Might I recommend that everyone, distinctly and deffinately including myself, show some forthought in reading our comments and mails, and some considderation of what another person would see reading them. then perhaps such a ridiculous farse can be avoided in future, and also perhaps things can be repared. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] going off list
Hello there everyone, In the last 5 years I have tried to teach myself Visual Basic 6 and am now starting on Dark Basic. I have truly enjoyed playing Jim's VB6 games. It was part of the reason I started toe teach myself VB6. I sort of took attitude towards Jim as his VB6 games were not written to be multi-player over the net. I "knew" in my heart I had no right at all to push Jim to change his games and I startrted to write some simple VB6 games to do multi-player over the net. I quickly found out that this task to do multiplayer is not easy at all. It was very hard! I am glad I did not let my attitude run amuck and say anything at all to Jim. Learning any language on your own can be quite taxing and very time consuming. The games I wished to write were never really brought up on this list. I did not wish to be attacked for picking a game that was too simple or too cmplex. While I did understand Thomas's side of his not wishing to use VB6 as it might not be usable in future operating system, I did understand the other side too. Blind folks are not so quick with their bit of money to go get new operating systmes and would likely stick with somehting that would indeed run VB6 games just fine for years to come. I think this list went off track when different folks tarted to give their opinions on which language to go with. They should have just said I use this or that and left it at that. But opinions are like butts, everyone has one and some were just more willing to show theirs off than others. To everyone who has written a good game and sold it...Congrats! To everyone who has written a good game and gave it away cause they are very kind souls...God Bless You. To everyone who wants to write a good game, don't be disheartened. Start small and add to it a little at a time until you have somehting you would be proud to add your name to and show others. When I get my game done I'll share with this fine community. I have enjoyed what you shared and I wish to return the favor. If you never programmed before but think you know exaclty how a game should be changed or improved you don't have a clue how hard this can be. Make your suggestion or post your idea and then let it go. If the game developer can do it, has the time and patience to do it, Has the free time in his life and is not burdened by a job, church, taxes, children, school, health issues...then maybe just maybe they'll take your idea to heart and add it to their game. Don't hold your breath waiting tho. As you don't program and have no clue how hard this task can be. I know I don't post more than once a year, but this list has been running wild for over a year now and I thought it was time to bring a bit of wisdom back from an older man. Play nice and be fair. Share what you can and don't be so quick to take offense to what others think. This is a game playing list. Talk about playing games and the fun of such a wonderful thing. Tomorrow is not promised to anyone. Enjoy each day the the great things we can do as blind gamers. I'll put my soap box away now. Now run along and enjoy yourselves. If there is one thing I learned getting to my age is that feelings will be hurt. I also learned that time will heal hurt feelings. Give it time and I am sure we will once again see Thomas here. This is a great place with great minds, he will be attracted to come back. Let him heal and he will return one day. Robert --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] going off list
hi all, and most especially, dark. dark, i have to say, it tends to be your posts, that i look for, whether it be a review, a question, a point made, or any other of a number of things you post about. as a quiet member who posts very little, i have not spoken to you much if ever. but take it from somebody who has stood back, and seen all these posts after letting them collect up and read the hold set, you are not at fault. now, to all. i come here, as its a place for gaming, fun, and pleasure. to see it destroyed, by arguments like this, ... who wanted this to be a soap opera? all joking aside, i am very disappointed, to see this kind of thing breake out, as i thought this list to be mostly free from such things. unfortunately, we have now lost a game devolper, from this list. the list of people willing and more important, able, to create games for this community, is very small. at the same time, i have to say this. what you do, and how you deel with your family, and other outside social groups, is your deelings. if you feel that something is rong with that side, the side who are having to deel with your life as a programmer, perhaps you should be sorting that out, rather then putting it on the list? as was said in another thread. if something is failing in a rleationship, that is because somebody in that relationship is not doing something right. anyways, moving on swiftlyu ... add in sound of galaping horse i have to say, after reading posts from the last few days, i am looking at weather its werth my time staying on this list, even for game anouncements. i know this kind of thing happens very little on here, touch wood, but at the same time, i am beginning to wander. to those pragrammers who read this list. thankyou for creating the games you do. even if i have problems with some games in how they operate, and no, its not because of a particular code, i am not a programmer, much though i wish i could, i have tried, and it herts my head. lol. but my point beeing, i am not a programmer, so i won't begin to say how you should make your game. if you ask for sijestions, i will put in sijestions. but otherwise, unless i see a glaring problem in something, i'll leave things up to you. after all, you are the mum or dad of that code, not i. ok, my rant is over. lol. i'll go hide in my little corner again now. please excuse any spelling mistakes, as i was kinda letting this be a flow of thinking. best regards. dallas On 21/07/2011, blindle...@aol.com wrote: > dark i agree you should come back . > > lee > > > In a message dated 7/20/2011 2:18:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > jer...@kaldobsky.com writes: > > Dark, I think you're misplacing blame on yourself. I was following all of > the posts during all of this mess, and I never thought your questions or > comments played any part in how things turned out. I Still! don't! To me, > > it was pretty clear that you were asking legitimate questions, and when you > were given answers, you responded to them appropriately. I never saw you > arguing, and I never saw you pushing your own opinions onto others. The > Only! thing that someone could even possibly point out, is that you made a > comment that cross platform didn't seem like a good enough reason to stick > to > using C++. Once you said your opinion, you simply left it at that. I > think you should come back, and I'm sure my response will be followed by > others that are just as encouraging. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] going off list
dark i agree you should come back . lee In a message dated 7/20/2011 2:18:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jer...@kaldobsky.com writes: Dark, I think you're misplacing blame on yourself. I was following all of the posts during all of this mess, and I never thought your questions or comments played any part in how things turned out. I Still! don't! To me, it was pretty clear that you were asking legitimate questions, and when you were given answers, you responded to them appropriately. I never saw you arguing, and I never saw you pushing your own opinions onto others. The Only! thing that someone could even possibly point out, is that you made a comment that cross platform didn't seem like a good enough reason to stick to using C++. Once you said your opinion, you simply left it at that. I think you should come back, and I'm sure my response will be followed by others that are just as encouraging. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] going off list
Hi Dark, With all due respect, I do not put as much blame on yourself as you do here. I can honestly say you have done a good job moderating the Entombed list and audiogames forums, and starting this kiund of argument does not retract from that. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Milos Przic Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 2:30 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] going off list Hi Dark, I have just sean your message and have to say my opinion again, although the discussion starts going towards the finish, if it's not finnished totally. Let me put it this way. If you do what you said you would, what should do we all who said something intentionally bad, blamed Che or Tom, talked against others etc? Stay on list? No. So please respond to our invites not to do the intented actions. If not, I am going off-list, and I invite all the others who blamed anyone openly to do the same if Dark does it too. Best, Milos Przic msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: "dark" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:40 PM Subject: [Audyssey] going off list > Hello Everyone. > > my intention in trying to find out about programming languages was just > that, to gain information. > > I never intended my questions to lead to this amount of strong emotions > from so many people, or this sort of highly personal, unpleasant > arguement.. > > I am only sorry i wasn't able to undo the damage I did on clearly > something which was obviously a far more sensative subject than I thought. > > I would like to say i'm sorry to everyone concerned that I managed to > cause this sort of trouble on list. > > while for reasons of recieving game announcements and producing news on > audiogames.net, I cannot legitimately unsubscribe from the list, i will > however not be reading any mail that is not directly concerned with a new > game release, ie, does not have a subject like Jim kitchin's recent homer > announcement. > > I do not know how long I will need maintain this, but certainly for as > long as it takes me to better work out how to show considderation and tact > towards others, put my own opinions in a polite and none provocative way > and avoid causing offense through enquiries. > > I will also be seriously! reconsidering whether I am qualified to continue > moderating audiogames.net and the entombed mailing list as well. > > I can only appologise again for causing such a horrible arguement betwene > so many of our well established developers. > > All the best, > > Dark. > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6311 (20110720) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6311 (20110720) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1518/3776 - Release Date: 07/20/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] going off list
As someone who asked a related question that sparked the last round of this kerfuffle, this has nothing to do with you Dark, and like others, I hope that you will not take this as a reason to retreat from your good contributions. Chris Bartlett --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] going off list
Hi Dark, I have just sean your message and have to say my opinion again, although the discussion starts going towards the finish, if it's not finnished totally. Let me put it this way. If you do what you said you would, what should do we all who said something intentionally bad, blamed Che or Tom, talked against others etc? Stay on list? No. So please respond to our invites not to do the intented actions. If not, I am going off-list, and I invite all the others who blamed anyone openly to do the same if Dark does it too. Best, Milos Przic msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: "dark" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:40 PM Subject: [Audyssey] going off list Hello Everyone. my intention in trying to find out about programming languages was just that, to gain information. I never intended my questions to lead to this amount of strong emotions from so many people, or this sort of highly personal, unpleasant arguement.. I am only sorry i wasn't able to undo the damage I did on clearly something which was obviously a far more sensative subject than I thought. I would like to say i'm sorry to everyone concerned that I managed to cause this sort of trouble on list. while for reasons of recieving game announcements and producing news on audiogames.net, I cannot legitimately unsubscribe from the list, i will however not be reading any mail that is not directly concerned with a new game release, ie, does not have a subject like Jim kitchin's recent homer announcement. I do not know how long I will need maintain this, but certainly for as long as it takes me to better work out how to show considderation and tact towards others, put my own opinions in a polite and none provocative way and avoid causing offense through enquiries. I will also be seriously! reconsidering whether I am qualified to continue moderating audiogames.net and the entombed mailing list as well. I can only appologise again for causing such a horrible arguement betwene so many of our well established developers. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6311 (20110720) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6311 (20110720) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] going off list
Hi Dark While I've kept out of this mess thus far I see no reason that any of it is your fault in any way. Let's face it, it's not the first time programming has caused some differences of opinion. Having said that of course it's never before become quite so heated. Hopefully you will continue to post here as well as the mod for the Entombed list. Your posts are definitely worth the read Ron - Original Message - From: "Amanda Burt" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] going off list I couldn't agree more. I love your contributions to the list. Amanda -- From: "David Mehler" Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:12 PM To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] going off list > Hello Dark, > > Today we're talking casualties. We've lost one developer, Thomas. I've > seen messages where members have expressed concerns as to whether this > situation will also cause Che and Jeremy and maybe others to give up. > Let me say that I hope they do not, I enjoy playing their games, > either demos or full versions, and think it would be an even greater > blow to the blind gaming community if they also went away. > > That last line can also be applied to you, I would say personally > please do not take the actions you have indicated. I saw nothing wrong > with the question you asked, I've asked similar, and I do read your > messages as I find them both informative, insightful, and in some > cases humerous. I'll agree with others that this was not your fault, > and if we've lost one for sure, with the possibility of loosing two > more maybes, I'd think it would be a much more prefound tragedy if > your contributions dimished as a result of this. > > Dave. > > > On 7/20/11, darren harris wrote: >> Hi dark, >> >> From what I could see I don't think this was anything to do with >> yourself. >> >> The thing is Thomas decided to get all high and mighty and take things >> way >> beyond what they should have been. All you did from what I can see is ask >> a >> question. Asking questions isn't a crime, Thomas took it as a way to >> peddle >> his own bike as it were but the way he did it was totally wrong and he >> paid >> the price for it. so no I don't think personally that this has anything >> to >> do with you. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On >> Behalf Of dark >> Sent: 20 July 2011 18:40 >> To: Gamers@audyssey.org >> Subject: [Audyssey] going off list >> >> Hello Everyone. >> >> my intention in trying to find out about programming languages was just >> that, to gain information. >> >> I never intended my questions to lead to this amount of strong emotions >> from >> so many people, or this sort of highly personal, unpleasant arguement.. >> >> I am only sorry i wasn't able to undo the damage I did on clearly >> something >> which was obviously a far more sensative subject than I thought. >> >> I would like to say i'm sorry to everyone concerned that I managed to >> cause >> this sort of trouble on list. >> >> while for reasons of recieving game announcements and producing news on >> audiogames.net, I cannot legitimately unsubscribe from the list, i will >> however not be reading any mail that is not directly concerned with a new >> game release, ie, does not have a subject like Jim kitchin's recent homer >> announcement. >> >> I do not know how long I will need maintain this, but certainly for as >> long >> as it takes me to better work out how to show considderation and tact >> towards others, put my own opinions in a polite and none provocative way >> and >> avoid causing offense through enquiries. >> >> I will also be seriously! reconsidering whether I am qualified to >> continue >> moderating audiogames.net and the entombed mailing list as well. >> >> I can only appologise again for causing such a horrible arguement betwene >> so >> many of our well established developers. >> >> All the best, >> >> Dark. >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are ar
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Hi Dark. Hopefully you are still reading long enough to see these replies from people. I am to be totally honest with you, slightly alarmed by your message. You are, in my opinion, a key member of this list and a great moderator of the Entombed discussion list. I can't say anything about audiogames forum as I never use it. I for one would be disappointed if you took your suggested action. You had nothing to do with the arguement, it just happened to kick off on a thread that you had started, but you asked a perfectly alright question and never antaganised or upset anyone. From what I can see you never sent a message during the whole thing that offended or at least should have offended anyone. And you can not be blaimed in any way at all for what happened. I think its a crying shame mate that you can even considder holding yourself in any way responsible. Cheers Richard On 7/20/11, Jeremy Kaldobsky wrote: > Dark, I think you're misplacing blame on yourself. I was following all of > the posts during all of this mess, and I never thought your questions or > comments played any part in how things turned out. I Still! don't! To me, > it was pretty clear that you were asking legitimate questions, and when you > were given answers, you responded to them appropriately. I never saw you > arguing, and I never saw you pushing your own opinions onto others. The > Only! thing that someone could even possibly point out, is that you made a > comment that cross platform didn't seem like a good enough reason to stick > to using C++. Once you said your opinion, you simply left it at that. I > think you should come back, and I'm sure my response will be followed by > others that are just as encouraging. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] going off list
I couldn't agree more. I love your contributions to the list. Amanda -- From: "David Mehler" Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:12 PM To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] going off list Hello Dark, Today we're talking casualties. We've lost one developer, Thomas. I've seen messages where members have expressed concerns as to whether this situation will also cause Che and Jeremy and maybe others to give up. Let me say that I hope they do not, I enjoy playing their games, either demos or full versions, and think it would be an even greater blow to the blind gaming community if they also went away. That last line can also be applied to you, I would say personally please do not take the actions you have indicated. I saw nothing wrong with the question you asked, I've asked similar, and I do read your messages as I find them both informative, insightful, and in some cases humerous. I'll agree with others that this was not your fault, and if we've lost one for sure, with the possibility of loosing two more maybes, I'd think it would be a much more prefound tragedy if your contributions dimished as a result of this. Dave. On 7/20/11, darren harris wrote: Hi dark, From what I could see I don't think this was anything to do with yourself. The thing is Thomas decided to get all high and mighty and take things way beyond what they should have been. All you did from what I can see is ask a question. Asking questions isn't a crime, Thomas took it as a way to peddle his own bike as it were but the way he did it was totally wrong and he paid the price for it. so no I don't think personally that this has anything to do with you. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 20 July 2011 18:40 To: Gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] going off list Hello Everyone. my intention in trying to find out about programming languages was just that, to gain information. I never intended my questions to lead to this amount of strong emotions from so many people, or this sort of highly personal, unpleasant arguement.. I am only sorry i wasn't able to undo the damage I did on clearly something which was obviously a far more sensative subject than I thought. I would like to say i'm sorry to everyone concerned that I managed to cause this sort of trouble on list. while for reasons of recieving game announcements and producing news on audiogames.net, I cannot legitimately unsubscribe from the list, i will however not be reading any mail that is not directly concerned with a new game release, ie, does not have a subject like Jim kitchin's recent homer announcement. I do not know how long I will need maintain this, but certainly for as long as it takes me to better work out how to show considderation and tact towards others, put my own opinions in a polite and none provocative way and avoid causing offense through enquiries. I will also be seriously! reconsidering whether I am qualified to continue moderating audiogames.net and the entombed mailing list as well. I can only appologise again for causing such a horrible arguement betwene so many of our well established developers. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. Yo
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Dark, I think you're misplacing blame on yourself. I was following all of the posts during all of this mess, and I never thought your questions or comments played any part in how things turned out. I Still! don't! To me, it was pretty clear that you were asking legitimate questions, and when you were given answers, you responded to them appropriately. I never saw you arguing, and I never saw you pushing your own opinions onto others. The Only! thing that someone could even possibly point out, is that you made a comment that cross platform didn't seem like a good enough reason to stick to using C++. Once you said your opinion, you simply left it at that. I think you should come back, and I'm sure my response will be followed by others that are just as encouraging. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] going off list
Hello Dark, Today we're talking casualties. We've lost one developer, Thomas. I've seen messages where members have expressed concerns as to whether this situation will also cause Che and Jeremy and maybe others to give up. Let me say that I hope they do not, I enjoy playing their games, either demos or full versions, and think it would be an even greater blow to the blind gaming community if they also went away. That last line can also be applied to you, I would say personally please do not take the actions you have indicated. I saw nothing wrong with the question you asked, I've asked similar, and I do read your messages as I find them both informative, insightful, and in some cases humerous. I'll agree with others that this was not your fault, and if we've lost one for sure, with the possibility of loosing two more maybes, I'd think it would be a much more prefound tragedy if your contributions dimished as a result of this. Dave. On 7/20/11, darren harris wrote: > Hi dark, > > From what I could see I don't think this was anything to do with yourself. > > The thing is Thomas decided to get all high and mighty and take things way > beyond what they should have been. All you did from what I can see is ask a > question. Asking questions isn't a crime, Thomas took it as a way to peddle > his own bike as it were but the way he did it was totally wrong and he paid > the price for it. so no I don't think personally that this has anything to > do with you. > > -Original Message- > From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On > Behalf Of dark > Sent: 20 July 2011 18:40 > To: Gamers@audyssey.org > Subject: [Audyssey] going off list > > Hello Everyone. > > my intention in trying to find out about programming languages was just > that, to gain information. > > I never intended my questions to lead to this amount of strong emotions from > so many people, or this sort of highly personal, unpleasant arguement.. > > I am only sorry i wasn't able to undo the damage I did on clearly something > which was obviously a far more sensative subject than I thought. > > I would like to say i'm sorry to everyone concerned that I managed to cause > this sort of trouble on list. > > while for reasons of recieving game announcements and producing news on > audiogames.net, I cannot legitimately unsubscribe from the list, i will > however not be reading any mail that is not directly concerned with a new > game release, ie, does not have a subject like Jim kitchin's recent homer > announcement. > > I do not know how long I will need maintain this, but certainly for as long > as it takes me to better work out how to show considderation and tact > towards others, put my own opinions in a polite and none provocative way and > avoid causing offense through enquiries. > > I will also be seriously! reconsidering whether I am qualified to continue > moderating audiogames.net and the entombed mailing list as well. > > I can only appologise again for causing such a horrible arguement betwene so > many of our well established developers. > > All the best, > > Dark. > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] going off list
Hi dark, >From what I could see I don't think this was anything to do with yourself. The thing is Thomas decided to get all high and mighty and take things way beyond what they should have been. All you did from what I can see is ask a question. Asking questions isn't a crime, Thomas took it as a way to peddle his own bike as it were but the way he did it was totally wrong and he paid the price for it. so no I don't think personally that this has anything to do with you. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 20 July 2011 18:40 To: Gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] going off list Hello Everyone. my intention in trying to find out about programming languages was just that, to gain information. I never intended my questions to lead to this amount of strong emotions from so many people, or this sort of highly personal, unpleasant arguement.. I am only sorry i wasn't able to undo the damage I did on clearly something which was obviously a far more sensative subject than I thought. I would like to say i'm sorry to everyone concerned that I managed to cause this sort of trouble on list. while for reasons of recieving game announcements and producing news on audiogames.net, I cannot legitimately unsubscribe from the list, i will however not be reading any mail that is not directly concerned with a new game release, ie, does not have a subject like Jim kitchin's recent homer announcement. I do not know how long I will need maintain this, but certainly for as long as it takes me to better work out how to show considderation and tact towards others, put my own opinions in a polite and none provocative way and avoid causing offense through enquiries. I will also be seriously! reconsidering whether I am qualified to continue moderating audiogames.net and the entombed mailing list as well. I can only appologise again for causing such a horrible arguement betwene so many of our well established developers. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] going off list
Hello Everyone. my intention in trying to find out about programming languages was just that, to gain information. I never intended my questions to lead to this amount of strong emotions from so many people, or this sort of highly personal, unpleasant arguement.. I am only sorry i wasn't able to undo the damage I did on clearly something which was obviously a far more sensative subject than I thought. I would like to say i'm sorry to everyone concerned that I managed to cause this sort of trouble on list. while for reasons of recieving game announcements and producing news on audiogames.net, I cannot legitimately unsubscribe from the list, i will however not be reading any mail that is not directly concerned with a new game release, ie, does not have a subject like Jim kitchin's recent homer announcement. I do not know how long I will need maintain this, but certainly for as long as it takes me to better work out how to show considderation and tact towards others, put my own opinions in a polite and none provocative way and avoid causing offense through enquiries. I will also be seriously! reconsidering whether I am qualified to continue moderating audiogames.net and the entombed mailing list as well. I can only appologise again for causing such a horrible arguement betwene so many of our well established developers. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
