[Audyssey] What is the game of cricket, and the iPhone app?

[Sharon Hooley]

Hi,

I noticed that there's an iPhone app for the game of cricket.  What type of 
game is the real thing, and does this app work the same way?

Thanks,
curious



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Re: [Audyssey] what no working website audiogames.net

[dark]

Well it's a little more complex than just "create a new website", especially 
since audiogames.net has had over ten years worth of work and the forum has 
thousands of posts.
Luckily, there are! backups available so hopefully the webmasters will be 
able to get things back up and running.


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or you create a new website

new website for audiogames and forum.


dark je 4.11.2016 ob 21:42 napisal:
If you mean the audiogames.net site and forum, yes, they went down  this 
afternoon, though as to know since there's been no word from Sanderand 
Richard, the actual webmasters we're not sure what the issue is or when 
they'l be back.

I'll let everyone know when we have some more news.

all the best,

Dark.
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use for very long. Please contact me on my other public address, 
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hi site and forum not working. what not working. thanks.


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Re: [Audyssey] what no working website audiogames.net

[Shaun Everiss]

Hmmm what happened to the last site we had as backup for the forums so 
the forum at least could continue.




On 5/11/2016 10:15 a.m., kukovecand...@gmail.com wrote:

or you create a new website

new website for audiogames and forum.


dark je 4.11.2016 ob 21:42 napisal:

If you mean the audiogames.net site and forum, yes, they went down
this afternoon, though as to know since there's been no word from
Sanderand Richard, the actual webmasters we're not sure what the issue
is or when they'l be back.
I'll let everyone know when we have some more news.

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Re: [Audyssey] what no working website audiogames.net

[john]

Audiogames.net is massive. Its something that ould take years to recreate, so 
that idea is rather impossible.

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or you create a new website

new website for audiogames and forum.


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> If you mean the audiogames.net site and forum, yes, they went down  
> this afternoon, though as to know since there's been no word from 
> Sanderand Richard, the actual webmasters we're not sure what the issue 
> is or when they'l be back.
> I'll let everyone know when we have some more news.
>
> all the best,
>
> Dark.
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Re: [Audyssey] what no working website audiogames.net

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or you create a new website

new website for audiogames and forum.


dark je 4.11.2016 ob 21:42 napisal:
If you mean the audiogames.net site and forum, yes, they went down  
this afternoon, though as to know since there's been no word from 
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I'll let everyone know when we have some more news.

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Re: [Audyssey] what no working website audiogames.net

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If you mean the audiogames.net site and forum, yes, they went down  this 
afternoon, though as to know since there's been no word from Sanderand 
Richard, the actual webmasters we're not sure what the issue is or when 
they'l be back.

I'll let everyone know when we have some more news.

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[Audyssey] what no working website audiogames.net

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Re: [Audyssey] What is going on?

[Emma]

There has not really been anything that I can remember. Just keep an eye out. 
:) 

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Re: [Audyssey] What is going on?

[Josh Kennedy]

there seems to be nothing going on at the moment.



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Hello.

I was wondering if it is that I am not getting anything from the list 
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I have not received any thing from the list in a few days.

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Re: [Audyssey] What is going on?

[dark]

Nope, there haven't been any messages from the list for a while.

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[Audyssey] What is going on?

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Hello.

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Re: [Audyssey] What ever happened to windows based games for one's pc?

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Good to see you on the list, Nick. I really need to give Park Boss another 
spin! I need to develop a better stratagy. I can hardly ever afford the bigger 
rides. It's fun to keep trying, though! Park Boss is an awesome game! I've 
really enjoyed it. Reminds me a bit of Castaways, another great 
resourse-management audio game title.


Thanks,
Ari

> On May 26, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Nick Adamson  wrote:
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> yep. I am still in my spare time.
> Thanks.
> Nick.
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>> On Thursday, 26 May 2016, Ron Kolesar  wrote:
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>> Anyone still writing windows games for our old pc’s?
>> Ron who misses the Three-D Velocity flight simulator project.
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Re: [Audyssey] What ever happened to windows based games for one's pc?

[Nick Adamson]

yep. I am still in my spare time.
Thanks.
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[Audyssey] What ever happened to windows based games for one's pc?

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Anyone still writing windows games for our old pc’s? 
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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to stellar eon

[Justin Jones]

I too would like to have this question answered.

On 5/24/16, dark  wrote:
> I'm really  enjoying alter and have just finished all the quests on kordan
> and moved to arcase. However I'm really in the mood for a space game. I've
> tried promethius but I'm finding things a tad confusing and lacking in
> direction in some places, and most of the other space muds I've heard of are
> either heavy pvp like miriani (which I'm still considering trying anyway),
> or basically major rp muds.
>
> So I was just wondering what has happened to stellar eon. Dentin has
> already said no pvp and lots of exploring, which is just the sort of thing
> I'd love to see in a space game.
> I know life can get in the way of development and manifestly Dentin has
> other things on his mind, but still I definitely am looking forward to
> trying the game when it's released and a progress report might be nice.
>
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[Audyssey] What has happened to stellar eon

[dark]

I'm really  enjoying alter and have just finished all the quests on kordan and 
moved to arcase. However I'm really in the mood for a space game. I've tried 
promethius but I'm finding things a tad confusing and lacking in direction in 
some places, and most of the other space muds I've heard of are either heavy 
pvp like miriani (which I'm still considering trying anyway), or basically 
major rp muds.

So I was just wondering what has happened to stellar eon. Dentin has  already 
said no pvp and lots of exploring, which is just the sort of thing I'd love to 
see in a space game. 
I know life can get in the way of development and manifestly Dentin has other 
things on his mind, but still I definitely am looking forward to trying the 
game when it's released and a progress report might be nice. 

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Re: [Audyssey] What an interesting game!

[Travis Siegel]

Don't know if you're still trying to solve this one or not, but if so, try 
messing with the buttons and switches in the cell.



On Thu, 24 Mar 2016, Gary Price(Gmail) wrote:


Hi everyone.

Well this Zenon is really proving an interesting game. Lol! I'm stuck at the 
very first part, escaping from the sell!


Anyway just thought I'd amuse you all.

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Re: [Audyssey] What an interesting game!

[Shaun Everiss]

Hmmm well getting out is fine but what to do with the guards coming and 
chucking me back in.
I know the guage is probably the key maybe if I can bash the guard but 
never happens.




On 25/03/2016 11:50 a.m., brennenki...@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you so much
I must have mist that earlier
Lol

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 24, 2016, at 6:18 PM, jacob Kruger  wrote:

Phil sent following link earlier:
http://ifwiki.org/index.php/Escape_from_the_Starship_Zenon#How_It_Begins


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On 2016-03-24 11:55 PM, brennenki...@gmail.com wrote:
Can you send a link to the game please

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 24, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Gary Price(Gmail)  wrote:

Hi everyone.

Well this Zenon is really proving an interesting game. Lol! I'm stuck at the 
very first part, escaping from the sell!

Anyway just thought I'd amuse you all.

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Re: [Audyssey] What an interesting game!

[brennenkinch]

Thank you so much
I must have mist that earlier
Lol

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 6:18 PM, jacob Kruger  wrote:
> 
> Phil sent following link earlier:
> http://ifwiki.org/index.php/Escape_from_the_Starship_Zenon#How_It_Begins
> 
> 
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Roger Wilco wants to welcome you...to the space janitor's closet..."
> 
>> On 2016-03-24 11:55 PM, brennenki...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Can you send a link to the game please
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Gary Price(Gmail)  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone.
>>> 
>>> Well this Zenon is really proving an interesting game. Lol! I'm stuck at 
>>> the very first part, escaping from the sell!
>>> 
>>> Anyway just thought I'd amuse you all.
>>> 
>>> Take care folks.
>>> 
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>>> Sent from Thunderbird on desktop.
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Re: [Audyssey] What an interesting game!

[jacob Kruger]

Phil sent following link earlier:
http://ifwiki.org/index.php/Escape_from_the_Starship_Zenon#How_It_Begins


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On 2016-03-24 11:55 PM, brennenki...@gmail.com wrote:

Can you send a link to the game please

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 24, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Gary Price(Gmail)  wrote:

Hi everyone.

Well this Zenon is really proving an interesting game. Lol! I'm stuck at the 
very first part, escaping from the sell!

Anyway just thought I'd amuse you all.

Take care folks.

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Re: [Audyssey] What an interesting game!

[jacob Kruger]

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On 2016-03-24 11:31 PM, Gary Price(Gmail) wrote:

Hi everyone.

Well this Zenon is really proving an interesting game. Lol! I'm stuck at
the very first part, escaping from the sell!

Anyway just thought I'd amuse you all.

Take care folks.



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Re: [Audyssey] What an interesting game!

[brennenkinch]

Can you send a link to the game please

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Gary Price(Gmail)  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone.
> 
> Well this Zenon is really proving an interesting game. Lol! I'm stuck at the 
> very first part, escaping from the sell!
> 
> Anyway just thought I'd amuse you all.
> 
> Take care folks.
> 
> -- 
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Re: [Audyssey] What an interesting game!

[Justin Jones]

What is this game? What platform does it run on?

On 3/24/16, Gary Price(Gmail)  wrote:
> Hi everyone.
>
> Well this Zenon is really proving an interesting game. Lol! I'm stuck at
> the very first part, escaping from the sell!
>
> Anyway just thought I'd amuse you all.
>
> Take care folks.
>
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[Audyssey] What an interesting game!

[Gary Price(Gmail)]

Hi everyone.

Well this Zenon is really proving an interesting game. Lol! I'm stuck at 
the very first part, escaping from the sell!


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[Audyssey] what to buy - Re: Portable interactive fiction game playing device/unit

[Charles Rivard]

From what I know, the selection of games that will work for blind people on 
a mobile device is much larger if that device is an iDevice.  There is also 
a much wider selection of other apps that are Voice-Over friendly.  Plus, 
the amount of material that you can use to learn to use the device is 
greater for iDevices because there are more blind people using those 
devices.


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Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Portable interactive fiction game playing 
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Hi Josh,

I am well aware of Android and its games. In fact, was considering one
for a very long time. Thing is while Android has a fair selection it
isn't the same selection so user preference would have a lot to do
with the purchasing process here. So while I haven't forgotten about
Android I'm uncertain myself if that is the way I personally want to
go for my phone purchase.


On 11/15/15, Josh K  wrote:

don't forget about android. they have lots of games also.

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 11/15/2015 8:03 AM, Thomas Ward wrote:

Hi Dark,

Oh, I know. An iPhone is becoming quite the handy little device. I'd
really like to get one, but my funds being what they are it is still
something off in the future for me. Although, it is definitely on my
list of things to do when time and money permits.



On 11/14/15, dark  wrote:

Hi Tom.

Well, I won't deny the expense, indeed this is why I have not upgraded
from

an Iphone 5 sinse I looked at the 6 series and there just wasn't enough
by
way of advantage to justify the expense (whether the 7 series will be 
is

something I'll wait and see).

However, on the positive side we are now getting to the point in game
development terms where Ios has a really good selection of stuff
available,

everything from traditional games to trivia, interactive fiction or
arcade
and action titles.

There was a time when the choice was more limited, but that's not the
case
anymore, and of course that's not counting arious other useful little
programs, functions and applications that just happen to come in handy.

All the best,

Dark.
- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Ward" 
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Portable interactive fiction game playing
device/unit



Hi Dark,

Oh, I don't doubt that. Unfortunately, I am extremely cash strapped
right now so haven't had the funds or means available to purchase a
new iPhone so have had to do without that advantage myself. Still, I
do have it on the things to do once those funds become available to
me. I just looked at phone plans the other day and it might be
feasible in the next few months or so once I see my way through my
medical issues.



On 11/14/15, dark  wrote:

Hi Tom.

This is one thing I like my Iphone for it is true, particularly
because
these days there are a number of games available on it from the
Choiceofgames titles and other complex rpgs like King of Dragon pass
and
Silver sword, to very simple arcade affairs like catch 52 not to
mention

all

the blindfold card, board and puzzle games, actually I find it really
handy

for long train journies when I am tired of reading and want something
else
to do.

All the best,

Dark.
- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Ward" 
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Portable interactive fiction game playing
device/unit



Hi Jacob,

Cool. Sounds like a nifty little gaming device you got there. The
only
thing is while I do like interactive fiction games I'm not sure I'd
want to pay out the investment for something like this myself since 
I

only play interactive fiction  games occasionally. If the /Raspberry
device had a broader spectrum of games I might actually consider the
investment in something like it since it would come in handy in 
times
like now when I may be in the hospital for an extended amount of 
time

with little to nothing to do. Dragging around a laptop isn't really
an
option in my case and I don't have a smartphone so I could see
something like your Raspberry Pie being a nice little device between
those extremes.



On 11/12/15, Jacob Kruger  wrote:

Am currently playing around with a raspberry pi unit/device, which
is
effectively a low-level full linux/debian operating system PC
implemented

on
a piece of hardware roundabout the size of a box of cigarettes.

It took a little bit of effort to get it up and 
running/cooperating,

and
don't seem to be able to use orca screen reader with it's version 
of

a
GUI,
which is x-windows, but, after installing speakUp console screen
reader,

you
can switch between the multiple console windows, and thanks to
Thomas
having
helped me out with the relevant commands a while ago, to install
frotz
interpreter o

Re: [Audyssey] what a waste of money - Re: blindfold breakout is nowavailablefromkidfriendlysoftware

[dark]

Oddly enough, for me it was the other way around with my phone.

In 2012, I had a none speaking but entirely usable nockier phone. I could 
pick it up and type numbers and answer it when people rang. I couldn't 
access the contacts list on the phone or anything like that, but I had a 
very handy  parrot voicemate personal organizer that held all that info 
which I was entirely happy with.


Phone wise, I really didn't need! an Iphone at all, it was basically for all 
the games and programs and such, the phone bit was just a bonus, albeit I'm 
glad I bought the Iphone rather than the Ipad sinse things like reading text 
messages and taking voice memos do come in handy on occasion.


All the best,

Dark. 



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[Audyssey] what a waste of money - Re: blindfold breakout is now availablefromkidfriendlysoftware

[Charles Rivard]

Using an iPhone only for what you are doing with one is sort of like using a 
Ferrari to go to the local supermarket that is 2 blocks away from your 
house.  I wish I had that kind of money to burn, that's for sure.  I suggest 
learning to use the phone, then enjoy gaming and all the other stuff that 
can be done with it so that you'll get your money's worth.


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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] blindfold breakout is now 
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Well I actually have one of those high priced I phones but my thing is I
don't know how to use it for anything other than making and receiving 
phone
calls and sending and receiving text messages and that is just fine with 
me

as that is all I want to do with my phone I like things to be simple. I
would much rather play games on my computer. I wish there was some of the
old Atari games like bowling that I could play on my computer.

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From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Ron Kolesar
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 10:46 PM
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I'm glad someone agrees with me.
Living on either a SSI or a SSDI once a month check granted we all need a
phone.
But not the over price plans that come with them.
My brother finally found a voice output track phone and I hopefully will 
be

picking up mine this coming weekend.
We've already recommended it to a friend and she's loving it.
So many Thanks for the support.



Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states
"that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week."
-Original Message- 
From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 10:37 PM
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fromkidfriendlysoftware

I agree.
I don't mind eventually getting a tablet but my main device will always
be my pc.



On 4/11/2015 4:32 p.m., Ron Kolesar wrote:

I too would love to have windows 10 version of some of these interesting
games.
Not everyone can afford the over priced I phones and or smart phones
with the over priced $40 and $50 per month plans that has to come with
them.

Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states
"that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week."
-Original Message- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 10:09 PM
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Hmmm I'd like to know this to, I really like some of the ios games but I
do wish there weere pc ports.
To be honest the next step in gaming is the multi device approach both
for tablets and for windows.
The only 2 games right now are the audazzle titles in testing, and the
heart of winter games some of which are out in final test but um.
I really should repost those somewhere.
http://heartofwintergames.wordpress.com
should have some links maybe but I havn't updated that blog in ages
because nothing is going on at all!



On 4/11/2015 1:40 p.m., Ron Kolesar wrote:

Is there a windows version of these games for pc users?
Or are they just for phone users?
Thanks.



Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states
"that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week."
-Original Message- From: Charles Rivard
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 6:29 PM
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So that you don't have to, here's sort of a description.  You launch the
ball using your paddle after positioning it across the playing area.
There
are 8 rows of bricks, side by side, listed numerically from left to
right, 1
to 8 respectively.  The ball rolls toward the bricks and breaks them.
When
it is rolling back to your paddle at the bottom of the playing area, you
hear where it is, in relation to where your paddle is.  Keep the sound 
of

the ball in the center of your headset or ear buds.  If the ball hits
your
paddle near the edge, it will beer to that side.  As it is coming back 
to

you, you can steer it using this method with practice.  It may bounce
off of
either side and roll toward the bottom at an angle.  Swing your arm or
move
your finger on the screen.  Which way you move your paddle is set in the
game settings.  If you break all of the bricks, you continue to the next
lever, receiving an extra ball as you do.  It's a great game!

---
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finished,
you! really! are! finished!
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Re: [Audyssey] what text to speech sdk do you use?

[Brandon Keith Biggs]

Hello Marvin,
This question is probably better suited for the audiogames developer's 
email list:

Software developers list. 
I use Ivona Cloud or just make a  element with role="status" and 
change it's contents with text.

thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs 
On 10/4/2015 4:27 AM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:

Hi.

What text to speech sdk do you use for javascript / web, html 5.

Need to use a text to speech engine, javascript, and html 5 for my web
project.

Any recommendations.

Thanks.

Marvin.

  


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[Audyssey] what text to speech sdk do you use?

[Marvin Hunkin]

Hi.

What text to speech sdk do you use for javascript / web, html 5.

Need to use a text to speech engine, javascript, and html 5 for my web
project.

Any recommendations.

Thanks.

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[Audyssey] what do you have to do to enter your score on the system?

[corey overton]

Hello I got a pertensage of 91 persent killed and it wouldn’t let me enter 
my score is there a way to view the high scores?
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Re: [Audyssey] what to do once you finish the newbie island on Alter Aeon

[Dennis Towne]

Just to follow up on this a bit more, we've been putting a lot of
effort in around Ralnoth recently.  We've been gradually splitting off
the more dangerous sections and putting them in dedicated 'high level'
regions, and have been flattening the difficulty in the areas closer
to Ralnoth.  East, west, and north of Ralnoth should all be a lot more
safe for levels 29-31 than they used to be.  When you get to the edge
of the safe parts, you'll get warnings about entering level 33 or
higher areas.  Only go in those if you know what you're doing.

If you head south along the southern road, things are less consistent.
Going south the level increases more slowly, but we haven't been
working as hard to clean things up down there.

Good luck!

Dennis Towne

Alter Aeon MUD
http://www.alteraeon.com


On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Jeremy Brown  wrote:
> This might be a good place for an article for A.A.'s web site, but
> here goes some thoughts:
>
> 1. While things are still in flux, the areas near Ralnoth, especially
> the areas directly east of the town and directly west of the town are
> less scary than some farther out.  Wallachia for instance west of
> Ralnoth has difficult bits, but is doable for a lower level character
> or characters.  The same is true of the upper levels of the termite
> hive to the north and east.  The admin staff is working to try and
> bring areas into line so that the transition from the islands to the
> mainland isn't such a jump.
>
> 2.  Ask on gossip or chat.   While you'll get a lot of differeant
> answers, these can give you a place to start from.  Look at the area
> list and compare the levels of the area suggested to what you were
> last running.  If it's more than 3 levels difference, give that a pass
> for a while.  The area level estimation system is not perfect, but
> it's better than it used to be, and the admin staff is working hard to
> bring it into line.
>
> 3.  Mooch some off larger groups, then go back and explore in the
> direction of areas you've been to.
>
> 4. Explore.  For about 100-150 rooms in any direction from Ralnoth, a
> level 30 can make it solo.  It might be difficult, and preparation
> might be in order in some cases, but part of exploration is knowing
> when to run away.
>
> 5. Use the area list on the web site and make a list of likely places.
> The coordinates given in game can help.  0,0 if I remember correctly
> is just south of the baker's shop in Ralnoth.  The rest of the grid is
> Cartesian.  That at the very least gives you a direction to go.
>
> 6.  Use nearby.
>
> 7.  Use the profile command, look at higher level character's deeds,
> especially the end of the list, and see what they did when they were
> your level.
>
> All of these are possibilities that help you figure out what to do and
> where to go.  Further, some areas, such as Old Thalos or Castle
> Dragnock are areas that you might visit and revisit at different
> levels for different purposes.  If you are someone who hates talking
> on public channels, find a player who will answer questions via tell.
> I'm one such, my main char on game is Lexie.  As long as you aren't
> rude and approach the problem understanding that not every player has
> a rat trap memory for directions, areas, mobs, equipment, fame,
> levels, etc, then you're in business.
>
> Hope this helps some.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
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[Audyssey] what to do once you finish the newbie island on Alter Aeon

[Jeremy Brown]

This might be a good place for an article for A.A.'s web site, but
here goes some thoughts:

1. While things are still in flux, the areas near Ralnoth, especially
the areas directly east of the town and directly west of the town are
less scary than some farther out.  Wallachia for instance west of
Ralnoth has difficult bits, but is doable for a lower level character
or characters.  The same is true of the upper levels of the termite
hive to the north and east.  The admin staff is working to try and
bring areas into line so that the transition from the islands to the
mainland isn't such a jump.

2.  Ask on gossip or chat.   While you'll get a lot of differeant
answers, these can give you a place to start from.  Look at the area
list and compare the levels of the area suggested to what you were
last running.  If it's more than 3 levels difference, give that a pass
for a while.  The area level estimation system is not perfect, but
it's better than it used to be, and the admin staff is working hard to
bring it into line.

3.  Mooch some off larger groups, then go back and explore in the
direction of areas you've been to.

4. Explore.  For about 100-150 rooms in any direction from Ralnoth, a
level 30 can make it solo.  It might be difficult, and preparation
might be in order in some cases, but part of exploration is knowing
when to run away.

5. Use the area list on the web site and make a list of likely places.
The coordinates given in game can help.  0,0 if I remember correctly
is just south of the baker's shop in Ralnoth.  The rest of the grid is
Cartesian.  That at the very least gives you a direction to go.

6.  Use nearby.

7.  Use the profile command, look at higher level character's deeds,
especially the end of the list, and see what they did when they were
your level.

All of these are possibilities that help you figure out what to do and
where to go.  Further, some areas, such as Old Thalos or Castle
Dragnock are areas that you might visit and revisit at different
levels for different purposes.  If you are someone who hates talking
on public channels, find a player who will answer questions via tell.
I'm one such, my main char on game is Lexie.  As long as you aren't
rude and approach the problem understanding that not every player has
a rat trap memory for directions, areas, mobs, equipment, fame,
levels, etc, then you're in business.

Hope this helps some.

Jeremy



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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Shaun,

Actually, for basic document storage it doesn't require much space,
and a person can get by with free cloud storage with the various cloud
storage providers. I believe Microsoft gives those with a Windows Live
account 7 GB free. That's quite a bit for basic documents. Obviously,
if someone has mp3s, podcasts, whatever they'll need space, but let me
remind you the purpose of this thread is talking about backing up
keys. Surely a basic cloud storage account is more than plenty for
those sorts of needs.



On 9/2/14, shaun everiss  wrote:
> Well I wouldn't put storage drives with anything
> on anywhere if you want to back up your data ie
> documents then if you havn't  got dropbox then you should get it.
> If you use windows8 and have an ms account or if
> you do have win7 or if you use gmail then you
> have a storage system of a sort allready I use
> dropbox because that was before I got gmail and I shared stuff from that.
> But I know someone a friend that uses her google
> drive one drive and dropbox ffor work and other
> document storage ofcause if you want a lot you need to pay for it but
> still.
> for document storage well.
> Any big data like books, music, etc I'd still go for physical media though.
>

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[shaun everiss]

ok thats quite low.
To be honest though I don't always backup the backup drive as often 
as I should, every 6 months or so I try to remember what I need to 
back up, but since I don't really get to much that I get that worried 
about bar a few podcasts I try to keep things backed up.
Most of my work stuff is in dropbox, everything else important is on 
an old 128mb flash stick I got ages ago which is used no where else 
bar my personal system.


At 11:18 p.m. 2/09/2014, you wrote:

Random fact: I believe its about 9% of people who do regular backups.

- Original Message -
From: Thomas Ward  wrote:
So did I tom, a fuzzing hard drive I had died, I recovered to another
drive.
That drive went boom.
After that I was able to get most data back from the broken first
drive, and then I was able to get another drive.
I got a second drive and now back the working external to the backup
drive all the time as well as other stuff, though to be honest the
backup drive is only used for the backup.
When this drive dies I will use the backup drive as the primary drive
and then buy another drive to use as backup.
Hopefully this means that at any time I only need to replace one drive.
Still its a hard lesson.
A lot of people at least those a friend that did admin and website
and system servicing found that a lot of people did not kep adaquit
backups.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[shaun everiss]

Well I wouldn't put storage drives with anything 
on anywhere if you want to back up your data ie 
documents then if you havn't  got dropbox then you should get it.
If you use windows8 and have an ms account or if 
you do have win7 or if you use gmail then you 
have a storage system of a sort allready I use 
dropbox because that was before I got gmail and I shared stuff from that.
But I know someone a friend that uses her google 
drive one drive and dropbox ffor work and other 
document storage ofcause if you want a lot you need to pay for it but still.

for document storage well.
Any big data like books, music, etc I'd still go for physical media though.

At 11:18 p.m. 2/09/2014, you wrote:
Have you considered something like dropbox or 
backblaze? Personally, I'd probably go with a 
safe deposit box at the bank for my flash drive 
before I used a stylus or a brailer.


- Original Message -
From: "Charles Rivard"  wrote:
Exactly. Not everyone can use a slate and stylus. I can't and I tried to
learn for years, mostly at te insistance of Joke Rehab people.



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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[shaun everiss]

I have 2 drives, a mybook for backup and a smaller elements half its 
size for work.
In addition I have several sticks ranging from 128mb one which stores 
all my secure data to a 16 gb drive.

A lot of these are used when I need to share data or upgrade systems.
And while most of these are inexpensive I have also a collection of 
animal themed drives, and I tend to choose what I want and pay a 
premium for these.
Though to be honest since I have at least32gb all up in storage 
drives I havn't really needed to collect that many for a while.


At 07:39 p.m. 2/09/2014, you wrote:

Interesting Tom.
As I said, I now use the Sea gate drive as my main backup, the 
passport drive was for a friend of mine who travels round the world 
and has a rather weerd habbit of digitizing films on dvd rather than 
just taking the disks so wanted a large harddrive.


I only tend to use memory sticks for quick and instant transfers of 
stuff sinse I have far more things to backup with audio, music etc 
than would fit on one so am better using the external drive for that.


Beware the Grue!

dark.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Dark,

I don't blame you a bit. I have never liked the slate and stylus
myself, and as I indicated another post as soon as the notetakers like
the Braille N' Speak came onto the market my use of braille pretty
much vanished. I went from there to using laptops and other devices.
So these days I have things like product keys backed up in a couple of
different places. I have my external hard drives, plus I have a 16 GB
flash drive I generally have around for quick and easy access to
important info like product keys.

Cheers!


On 9/2/14, dark  wrote:
> Hi Topm.
>
> I was only ever forced to use a stylus once by my evil special school and
> have never owned one, nor would I actually ever want to sinse hell I don't
> even braille anymore so why would I want to go further back?
>
> To be honest I never liked writing quick notes or important info in braille
>
> sinse I always found having loads of braille paper or labels or whatever a
> pest to store and rather difficult to find and read through quickly, one
> reason wy I pretty much stopped using braille entirely when i was 13 and
> switched to a laptop.
>
> I always used to make quick voice notes on my parrot, voicemate, now I use
> my Iphone. For important stuff like backing keys up I've always just used an
>
> external harddrive, keeping copies on multiple machines  and similar and
> don't really see the problem with doing that provided you can get the
> technology sorted out.
>
> Beware the grue!
>
> Dark.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[dark]

That was why I bought the surviver case for my Iphone. I've dropped it off 
my bedside locker a couple of times and I don't worry sinse apparently with 
the surviver case an Iphone has survived being chucked out of an airoplane 
:D.


Beware the grue!

Dark.
- Original Message - 
From: "loriduncan" 

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Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?


Lol John, I did the same with my iphone, accidentally knocked it off the 
desk with my arm when I was hurrying to plug in my laptop before the 
battary died.


-Original Message- 
From: john

Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 1:07 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

Wow. I yanked my passport off the desk, out of the usb port and 
accidentally
wacked it half way across the room while it was spinning down, and it 
still

works fine. Its a wd, too.
On the subject of hard disk reliability, this article might be 
interesting:

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/how-long-do-disk-drives-last/
--
From: "Thomas Ward" 
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 7:35 PM
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

Hi Dark and all,

Just thought I would point out the name of the brand is "Sea Gate" not
"See Gate" in case anyone wants to go looking for that brand of
external drive. I will personally vouch for Sea Gate drives, because I
have two of them and they have been far more reliable then Western
Digital in my experience.

As for Passport drives I have owned a couple of those, and found them
to be very problematic. They are basically a laptop drive in a plastic
housing. I've had troubles with the USB chords going bad on them and
needing to be replaced, and if you drop one it is toast. So I found
flash drives more reliable for basic backups.



On 9/1/14, dark  wrote:

Hi Lori.

I don't know what  sort of drive you used there, but I can say i've used 
a

backup external drive for years.

At the moment I have a see gate one. This is a rectangular device. It 
just

has the one usb and a power lead, (I don't know why you would need two
usb's

or a stand). When I bought it I had to slot the part with the connectors
for

the usb and power lead onto the main box, but this wasn't a problem and
now

it is done I can pretty much forget about it. What I do is stick it in a
box

under my bed, then pull it out every three weeks or so to do a full 
backup

of everything, all my keys, documents, music, audiobooks etc, (not to
mention the setup files for programs).

As an alternative You can now buy what are called passport drives. These
are

indeed as you say like a very fat memory stick, they are very small
andportable, but  can hold ridiculously large amounts (I bought one
recently

for my friend which had a 1 tb capacity).

The difference however is that for a passport drive with no power lead 
you

will be paying twice the price as you would for a standard external drive
that needs plugging in. For example for 100 quid I could buy a 5 tb
external

drive with a plug, or a 2 Tb passport drive without.

You also don't have to use E bay either, indeed I probably wouldn't get
something like that from E bay myself sinse as you said your not sure of
what your getting.

Maplins are a reasonably good national chain and unlike pc world won't 
try

to foist things on you, also the one near my parents are good for general
advice as well.

Hth.

All the best,

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[loriduncan]

Lol John, I did the same with my iphone, accidentally knocked it off the 
desk with my arm when I was hurrying to plug in my laptop before the battary 
died.


-Original Message- 
From: john

Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 1:07 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

Wow. I yanked my passport off the desk, out of the usb port and accidentally
wacked it half way across the room while it was spinning down, and it still
works fine. Its a wd, too.
On the subject of hard disk reliability, this article might be interesting:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/how-long-do-disk-drives-last/
--
From: "Thomas Ward" 
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 7:35 PM
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

Hi Dark and all,

Just thought I would point out the name of the brand is "Sea Gate" not
"See Gate" in case anyone wants to go looking for that brand of
external drive. I will personally vouch for Sea Gate drives, because I
have two of them and they have been far more reliable then Western
Digital in my experience.

As for Passport drives I have owned a couple of those, and found them
to be very problematic. They are basically a laptop drive in a plastic
housing. I've had troubles with the USB chords going bad on them and
needing to be replaced, and if you drop one it is toast. So I found
flash drives more reliable for basic backups.



On 9/1/14, dark  wrote:

Hi Lori.

I don't know what  sort of drive you used there, but I can say i've used a
backup external drive for years.

At the moment I have a see gate one. This is a rectangular device. It just
has the one usb and a power lead, (I don't know why you would need two
usb's

or a stand). When I bought it I had to slot the part with the connectors
for

the usb and power lead onto the main box, but this wasn't a problem and
now

it is done I can pretty much forget about it. What I do is stick it in a
box

under my bed, then pull it out every three weeks or so to do a full backup
of everything, all my keys, documents, music, audiobooks etc, (not to
mention the setup files for programs).

As an alternative You can now buy what are called passport drives. These
are

indeed as you say like a very fat memory stick, they are very small
andportable, but  can hold ridiculously large amounts (I bought one
recently

for my friend which had a 1 tb capacity).

The difference however is that for a passport drive with no power lead you
will be paying twice the price as you would for a standard external drive
that needs plugging in. For example for 100 quid I could buy a 5 tb
external

drive with a plug, or a 2 Tb passport drive without.

You also don't have to use E bay either, indeed I probably wouldn't get
something like that from E bay myself sinse as you said your not sure of
what your getting.

Maplins are a reasonably good national chain and unlike pc world won't try
to foist things on you, also the one near my parents are good for general
advice as well.

Hth.

All the best,

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[john]

Random fact: I believe its about 9% of people who do regular backups.

- Original Message -
From: Thomas Ward  wrote:
So did I tom, a fuzzing hard drive I had died, I recovered to another
drive.
That drive went boom.
After that I was able to get most data back from the broken first
drive, and then I was able to get another drive.
I got a second drive and now back the working external to the backup
drive all the time as well as other stuff, though to be honest the
backup drive is only used for the backup.
When this drive dies I will use the backup drive as the primary drive
and then buy another drive to use as backup.
Hopefully this means that at any time I only need to replace one drive.
Still its a hard lesson.
A lot of people at least those a friend that did admin and website
and system servicing found that a lot of people did not kep adaquit
backups.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[john]

Its drive serial numbers, which happen to change when you reformat.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[john]

Motion seconded. I'm far from what anyone would call nice to my technology, but somehow most of it keeps right on going. Its absolutely amazing to me considering all the things I read on the net. Just goes to show you that manufacturers really do 
build these things to last; if you don't get a lemon, you've got a really good product.


- Original Message -
From: Thomas Ward  wrote:
Wow. I yanked my passport off the desk, out of the usb port and accidentally

wacked it half way across the room while it was spinning down, and it still

works fine. Its a wd, too.
On the subject of hard disk reliability, this article might be interesting:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/how-long-do-disk-drives-last/

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[john]

Have you considered something like dropbox or backblaze? Personally, I'd 
probably go with a safe deposit box at the bank for my flash drive before I 
used a stylus or a brailer.

- Original Message -
From: "Charles Rivard"  wrote:
Exactly. Not everyone can use a slate and stylus. I can't and I tried to
learn for years, mostly at te insistance of Joke Rehab people.



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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Well you could buy Super Egg Hunt Plus I guess since the key is tied to 
the user name.


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On 01/09/2014 10:18, shaun everiss wrote:

I agree.
I wouldn't advise anyone to buy his stuff because he seems to be never
around to replace keys or issue new ones.
While superliam is a constant key, once you have it its there but with
judgement day every time you reformat or need to install the key is
different again.

At 07:09 p.m. 1/09/2014, you wrote:

Only problem with that is that this could turn new players away, so
Liam might not make any money anyway.



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Hi Lori,

While I do agree Liam needs to get his act together about key
replacements and providing better support for his games I disagree
about him giving them away for free. He put the time and work into
creating them so deserves some compensation for that, and as a fellow
developer can understand why he would be reluctant to just give them
away. That said, I don't really understand why he isn't providing
better support for them.

Yes, I know he does have a real daytime job which would drastically
effect how much free time he has to devoting to supporting his
products. Nobody can fault him for that, but I do think he could
probably manage his free time better. I realize it is easy for me to
say this, but I would think he could devote at least a little time to
L-Works support rather than doing something else with his free time be
it watching TV,playing games, or whatever it is he does in his free
time. It makes me question weather he really cares or not. Perhaps,
though, I am being too harsh. I just don't know enough about why he
isn't offering better support to accurately make a fair judgement
about the situation.

Still, even if he himself doesn't have free time he should be able to
find a trusted friend, relative, or appoint a fellow game developer to
redistribute product keys and help manage the business end of things
of L-Works rather than let things hang. Again, easy for me to say, but
it would potentially be an option to offer his customers something
rather than seemingly ignoring them.

Last of all he could always write or higher someone to write some
automated system which would ideally be the best way to handle
support. The automated system would be available 24/7
and only require minimal oversight. That way he would be free to do
whatever he needed to do while having an automated system overseeing
the business end of the business.

The point being here is I know Liam could probably do something, and
for that reason I don't believe just giving his games away for free is
the right answer. However, he does need to do something as it feels
like a lot of people have been left in the lurch by his lack of
attention to L-Works the last few years.

On 8/30/14, loriduncan  wrote:

Hi Thomas, he really does need to get his act together with l-works.
We've

paid good money for high quality games, and if he can't be bothered
helping

his customers, then he should just make all his games free.


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[Charles Rivard]

Ah, if only the Grue were transferable via a thumb drive!  Think of the fun 
you could have by going to other homes and giving them the Grue without 
their knowledge!  Of course, I still wouldn't beware the Grue.  I still 
refuse.  (rotten grin)


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Interesting Tom.
As I said, I now use the Sea gate drive as my main backup, the passport 
drive was for a friend of mine who travels round the world and has a 
rather weerd habbit of digitizing films on dvd rather than just taking the 
disks so wanted a large harddrive.


I only tend to use memory sticks for quick and instant transfers of stuff 
sinse I have far more things to backup with audio, music etc than would 
fit on one so am better using the external drive for that.


Beware the Grue!

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[dark]

Hi Topm.

I was only ever forced to use a stylus once by my evil special school and 
have never owned one, nor would I actually ever want to sinse hell I don't 
even braille anymore so why would I want to go further back?


To be honest I never liked writing quick notes or important info in braille 
sinse I always found having loads of braille paper or labels or whatever a 
pest to store and rather difficult to find and read through quickly, one 
reason wy I pretty much stopped using braille entirely when i was 13 and 
switched to a laptop.


I always used to make quick voice notes on my parrot, voicemate, now I use 
my Iphone. For important stuff like backing keys up I've always just used an 
external harddrive, keeping copies on multiple machines  and similar and 
don't really see the problem with doing that provided you can get the 
technology sorted out.


Beware the grue!

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[dark]

Interesting Tom.
As I said, I now use the Sea gate drive as my main backup, the passport 
drive was for a friend of mine who travels round the world and has a rather 
weerd habbit of digitizing films on dvd rather than just taking the disks so 
wanted a large harddrive.


I only tend to use memory sticks for quick and instant transfers of stuff 
sinse I have far more things to backup with audio, music etc than would fit 
on one so am better using the external drive for that.


Beware the Grue!

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[Stephen]

I wonder if they ever do bump and thump tests in the lab to see how 
tough they can make hard drives, like they do with motor cars?

At 12:57 PM 9/2/2014, you wrote:

Hi John,

Wow. You are lucky you didn't send that drive to oblivion. However, it
all depends on the drive. Some just can stand up to more of a beating
than others.



On 9/1/14, john  wrote:
> Wow. I yanked my passport off the desk, out of the usb port and 
accidentally

>
> wacked it half way across the room while it was spinning down, and it still
>
> works fine. Its a wd, too.
> On the subject of hard disk reliability, this article might be interesting:
> https://www.backblaze.com/blog/how-long-do-disk-drives-last/

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Shaun,

That sounds to me like the product key system for Judgement Day is
screwed up. If it were a hardware based key it would not care how many
times you reinstalled the OS, because it gets the ID of the hardware
in the system. therefore Liam must be using the user account for
verification which is not only week it causes serious problems if the
new user account on the new system isn't exactly the same as on the
old one.

Cheers!


On 9/1/14, shaun everiss  wrote:
> I agree.
> I wouldn't advise anyone to buy his stuff because
> he seems to be never around to replace keys or issue new ones.
> While superliam is a constant key, once you have
> it its there but with judgement day every time
> you reformat or need to install the key is different again.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Shaun,

Good grief! You sound like an absolute klutz. While I have broken a
couple of Braille N' speaks in my time mostly because I was being
careless I can't say I smashed them into things, fell down the stairs
with one, or had any issues with the keys. For the most part I did my
best to take care of the notetakers I had, because they were expensive
and I had to absolutely keep mine in working order.

However, I think we are drifting way off topic. So ask that we steer
things back to the topic at hand or close it.

Cheers!


On 9/1/14, shaun everiss  wrote:
> Well I did get a couple but really never got into those that much.
> I had a perkins and a older lavinder braille unit to start off with.
> Sadly I was in the age before electronic braille came mainstream I
> was always lugging it round.
> I did use a braille to standard print unit for a time and did begin
> to start with electronic braille but for whatever reason it never
> happened right.
> After I graduated to a querty board except for math there seemed
> little reason to  read braille let alone write it, the books were to
> heavy, and I always dropped the unit, fell down the stairs with it or
> smashed it into or hit it with things not to mention the frucking
> keys kept breaking and had to be tied together with paperclips.
> If I restarted school today I'd have an electronic braille note or
> simular and I think they are pushing macs in a big way now.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

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Hi Shaun,

Unfortunately, you are right. Most people don't keep adequate backups
of their stuff. Not even me. What a lot of people fail to realize is
they often times need to keep backups of their backups just in case
their primary backup system gets damaged or destroyed. Its happened to
me, and I am sure has happened to plenty of others as well.

Cheers!




On 9/1/14, shaun everiss  wrote:
> So did I tom, a fuzzing hard drive I had died, I recovered to another
> drive.
> That drive went boom.
> After that I was able to get most data back from the broken first
> drive, and then I was able to get another drive.
> I got a second drive and now back the working external to the backup
> drive all the time as well as other stuff, though to be honest the
> backup drive is only used for the backup.
> When this drive dies I will use the backup drive as the primary drive
> and then buy another drive to use as backup.
> Hopefully this means that at any time I only need to replace one drive.
> Still its a hard lesson.
> A lot of people at least those a friend that did admin and website
> and system servicing found that a lot of people did not kep adaquit
> backups.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[shaun everiss]

Well I did get a couple but really never got into those that much.
I had a perkins and a older lavinder braille unit to start off with.
Sadly I was in the age before electronic braille came mainstream I 
was always lugging it round.
I did use a braille to standard print unit for a time and did begin 
to start with electronic braille but for whatever reason it never 
happened right.
After I graduated to a querty board except for math there seemed 
little reason to  read braille let alone write it, the books were to 
heavy, and I always dropped the unit, fell down the stairs with it or 
smashed it into or hit it with things not to mention the frucking 
keys kept breaking and had to be tied together with paperclips.
If I restarted school today I'd have an electronic braille note or 
simular and I think they are pushing macs in a big way now.


At 11:27 a.m. 2/09/2014, you wrote:

Hi Charles,

You definitely show your age when you mention slate and stylus. In my
experience most younger blind people don't even know how to use one
let alone use it. With the growth of technology I only see braille
solutions like a slate and stylus becoming even less relevant to blind
users.

For example, in the 90's and early 2000's something like the slate and
stylus became obsolete when the VI market was flooded with note takers
like the Braille N' Speak, Type N' Speak, Braille Light, Braille Plus,
Pac Mate, etc. Now days a blind person is more likely to grab their
iPhone or iPad to jot down a quick note than anything else. There is
definitely a good reason for that.

When I first started losing my vision my VI teacher tried to teach me
how to use a slate and stylus along with using a brailler. Quite
frankly I never got the hang of the slate and stylus and even though I
could use it I found it painfully slow and tedious. So by the time I
went to junior high I got my parents to buy me a Braille N' Speak and
I put my slate and stylus in a drawer and pretty much forgot about it.
Most of my peers did the same.


On 9/1/14, Charles Rivard  wrote:
> If a sighted person were to write them down for you, could you read their
> writing?  A better solution would be a slate and stylus and a 
piece of heavy

>
> paper.
>
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>
> you! really! are! finished!

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[shaun everiss]

I agree.
I wouldn't advise anyone to buy his stuff because 
he seems to be never around to replace keys or issue new ones.
While superliam is a constant key, once you have 
it its there but with judgement day every time 
you reformat or need to install the key is different again.


At 07:09 p.m. 1/09/2014, you wrote:
Only problem with that is that this could turn 
new players away, so Liam might not make any money anyway.




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-Original Message- From: Thomas Ward
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 8:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

Hi Lori,

While I do agree Liam needs to get his act together about key
replacements and providing better support for his games I disagree
about him giving them away for free. He put the time and work into
creating them so deserves some compensation for that, and as a fellow
developer can understand why he would be reluctant to just give them
away. That said, I don't really understand why he isn't providing
better support for them.

Yes, I know he does have a real daytime job which would drastically
effect how much free time he has to devoting to supporting his
products. Nobody can fault him for that, but I do think he could
probably manage his free time better. I realize it is easy for me to
say this, but I would think he could devote at least a little time to
L-Works support rather than doing something else with his free time be
it watching TV,playing games, or whatever it is he does in his free
time. It makes me question weather he really cares or not. Perhaps,
though, I am being too harsh. I just don't know enough about why he
isn't offering better support to accurately make a fair judgement
about the situation.

Still, even if he himself doesn't have free time he should be able to
find a trusted friend, relative, or appoint a fellow game developer to
redistribute product keys and help manage the business end of things
of L-Works rather than let things hang. Again, easy for me to say, but
it would potentially be an option to offer his customers something
rather than seemingly ignoring them.

Last of all he could always write or higher someone to write some
automated system which would ideally be the best way to handle
support. The automated system would be available 24/7
and only require minimal oversight. That way he would be free to do
whatever he needed to do while having an automated system overseeing
the business end of the business.

The point being here is I know Liam could probably do something, and
for that reason I don't believe just giving his games away for free is
the right answer. However, he does need to do something as it feels
like a lot of people have been left in the lurch by his lack of
attention to L-Works the last few years.

On 8/30/14, loriduncan  wrote:

Hi Thomas, he really does need to get his act together with l-works. We've

paid good money for high quality games, and if he can't be bothered helping

his customers, then he should just make all his games free.


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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[shaun everiss]

Laury, I have used western digital for years and bar one of my 
elements drives dieing on me after less than a year of use, both my 
my book and elements have gone ok.
One thing to note that some of the drives like the my book are easy 
to knock over I have done this a few times, a cousin kicked his by 
mistake and it fell off his desk and its now just a brick.


At 08:02 p.m. 1/09/2014, you wrote:
Hi Thomas, the old drive I had was actually similar to a phone or 
ipod in that it was a square device, but thinking about it now, it 
was more trouble than it was worth, it sat on a small base, like a 
docking station, and had 2 usb cables plugged into it, and the other 
ends went into my computer.  What I'd really like, is one that's 
more like a tiny memory stick, where you just take the cap off the 
end and slide it in to a single usb port, but I don't know which 
make is the best, or where would have them in the uk.  I struggle to 
trust sites like ebay and buying products which are used.  I also 
have a really ancient perkins brailer, but the keys are jammed 
lol.  The only other way I can think of to back up my keys, is to 
have a sighted person write them down for me.


-Original Message- From: Thomas Ward
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:10 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

Hi Lori,

That's strange, but what I have learned the hard way is one should
always make backups of their backups. Especially, if it is something
very important.

for example, here in the US a USB flash drive is under $20 in US
dollars so is probably less in pounds. I have a couple of them I keep
in my desk drawer just for extremely important information like
product keys so even if my main backup system gets damaged in some way
I have an alternative source to go get that data. Perhaps you can
consider something similar in the future.

I know this will sound extremely harsh, but in a lot of cases it isn't
the responsibility of the company or individual who sells  you a
product to replace your product key if you lose it. Corporations like
Microsoft charge big fees if you lose your product keys therefore it
is in the end user's best interests to find a way to backup that
information in multiple ways to avoid paying for new keys. If you
don't safeguard that information then it will cost you money to get
new keys. We are fortunate that most audio game developers aren't
quite that strict about key replacement policies and perhaps that is
why so many blind customers are extremely lax about their keys, and
just assume if something happens they deserve a free key replacement
even though in the real world that kind of service would be rare.

On 8/30/14, loriduncan  wrote:

Hi, it is totally wrong.  I got Super Egghunt Pluss for Christmas last year,

and had all my keys saved to my portible hard drive as well as my c drive.
The c drive got infected with a really bad virus, meaning I had to get it
replaced, and when i inserted the back-up drive to put my keys back into the

computer, I was told the drive was corrupted, so ended up losing everything

anyway.

What he should consider is a key retrievel system, with so many keys allowed

per year.

From Lori.


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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[shaun everiss]

So did I tom, a fuzzing hard drive I had died, I recovered to another drive.
That drive went boom.
After that I was able to get most data back from the broken first 
drive, and then I was able to get another drive.
I got a second drive and now back the working external to the backup 
drive all the time as well as other stuff, though to be honest the 
backup drive is only used for the backup.
When this drive dies I will use the backup drive as the primary drive 
and then buy another drive to use as backup.

Hopefully this means that at any time I only need to replace one drive.
Still its a hard lesson.
A lot of people at least those a friend that did admin and website 
and system servicing found that a lot of people did not kep adaquit backups.


At 03:10 p.m. 1/09/2014, you wrote:

Hi Lori,

That's strange, but what I have learned the hard way is one should
always make backups of their backups. Especially, if it is something
very important.

for example, here in the US a USB flash drive is under $20 in US
dollars so is probably less in pounds. I have a couple of them I keep
in my desk drawer just for extremely important information like
product keys so even if my main backup system gets damaged in some way
I have an alternative source to go get that data. Perhaps you can
consider something similar in the future.

I know this will sound extremely harsh, but in a lot of cases it isn't
the responsibility of the company or individual who sells  you a
product to replace your product key if you lose it. Corporations like
Microsoft charge big fees if you lose your product keys therefore it
is in the end user's best interests to find a way to backup that
information in multiple ways to avoid paying for new keys. If you
don't safeguard that information then it will cost you money to get
new keys. We are fortunate that most audio game developers aren't
quite that strict about key replacement policies and perhaps that is
why so many blind customers are extremely lax about their keys, and
just assume if something happens they deserve a free key replacement
even though in the real world that kind of service would be rare.

On 8/30/14, loriduncan  wrote:
> Hi, it is totally wrong.  I got Super Egghunt Pluss for Christmas 
last year,

>
> and had all my keys saved to my portible hard drive as well as my c drive.
> The c drive got infected with a really bad virus, meaning I had to get it
> replaced, and when i inserted the back-up drive to put my keys 
back into the

>
> computer, I was told the drive was corrupted, so ended up losing everything
>
> anyway.
>
> What he should consider is a key retrievel system, with so many 
keys allowed

>
> per year.
>
> From Lori.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi John,

Wow. You are lucky you didn't send that drive to oblivion. However, it
all depends on the drive. Some just can stand up to more of a beating
than others.



On 9/1/14, john  wrote:
> Wow. I yanked my passport off the desk, out of the usb port and accidentally
>
> wacked it half way across the room while it was spinning down, and it still
>
> works fine. Its a wd, too.
> On the subject of hard disk reliability, this article might be interesting:
> https://www.backblaze.com/blog/how-long-do-disk-drives-last/

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Charles,

No arguing with that. A slate and stylus is an inexpensive way to
write down keys on a braille sheet of paper. It might be slow and
tedious, but it is affordable and doesn't require sighted help.



On 9/1/14, Charles Rivard  wrote:
> They sure are old technology, but they only cost $20 or so compared to
> thousands.  No battery issues and very portable.  Having said that, I don't
>
> use them, either, but I do have one, and it is an affordable option for
> producing brailled game key info.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Charles,

I haven't had a problem with Amazon either. I have also gotten stuff
from New Egg and a few other online stores as well. However, Lori
seems a bit hesitant about buying online so she may have to look
locally for something she wants.


On 9/1/14, Charles Rivard  wrote:
> Why not buy online where the prices are better and you don't have to find
> transportation to shop for them?  I've never had a problem at all with
>
> www.amazon.com
>
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> you! really! are! finished!

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[Charles Rivard]

Why not buy online where the prices are better and you don't have to find 
transportation to shop for them?  I've never had a problem at all with


www.amazon.com

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Hi Lori,

What you call a memory stick are commonly called flash drives here in
the US. Basically, it is just a long skinny plastic device with a cap
on it you can take of and slide it into your USB port. To be honest I
haven't paid too much attention to brands and just buy them based on
price and the amount of memory available on them.

There is another option available you might want to think about. You
can buy a USB card reader which costs about $15, and you can put any
size flash card in it which is nice. Of course you have to be careful
with flash cards, but you can have several of them for a decent price
and they are small enough to store in a desk drawer or in a container
on your computer desk.

Either way backup devices aren't that expensive. I don't know much
about the UK to tell you where to get them, but I'm sure there has to
be somewhere to get them for a fair price without going to Amazon, New
Egg,  or another online vender.



On 9/1/14, loriduncan  wrote:

Hi Thomas, the old drive I had was actually similar to a phone or ipod in
that it was a square device, but thinking about it now, it was more 
trouble


than it was worth, it sat on a small base, like a docking station, and 
had 2


usb cables plugged into it, and the other ends went into my computer. 
What


I'd really like, is one that's more like a tiny memory stick, where you 
just


take the cap off the end and slide it in to a single usb port, but I 
don't
know which make is the best, or where would have them in the uk.  I 
struggle


to trust sites like ebay and buying products which are used.  I also have 
a


really ancient perkins brailer, but the keys are jammed lol.  The only 
other


way I can think of to back up my keys, is to have a sighted person write
them down for me.



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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

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They sure are old technology, but they only cost $20 or so compared to 
thousands.  No battery issues and very portable.  Having said that, I don't 
use them, either, but I do have one, and it is an affordable option for 
producing brailled game key info.


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Hi Charles,

You definitely show your age when you mention slate and stylus. In my
experience most younger blind people don't even know how to use one
let alone use it. With the growth of technology I only see braille
solutions like a slate and stylus becoming even less relevant to blind
users.

For example, in the 90's and early 2000's something like the slate and
stylus became obsolete when the VI market was flooded with note takers
like the Braille N' Speak, Type N' Speak, Braille Light, Braille Plus,
Pac Mate, etc. Now days a blind person is more likely to grab their
iPhone or iPad to jot down a quick note than anything else. There is
definitely a good reason for that.

When I first started losing my vision my VI teacher tried to teach me
how to use a slate and stylus along with using a brailler. Quite
frankly I never got the hang of the slate and stylus and even though I
could use it I found it painfully slow and tedious. So by the time I
went to junior high I got my parents to buy me a Braille N' Speak and
I put my slate and stylus in a drawer and pretty much forgot about it.
Most of my peers did the same.


On 9/1/14, Charles Rivard  wrote:

If a sighted person were to write them down for you, could you read their
writing?  A better solution would be a slate and stylus and a piece of 
heavy


paper.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Charles Rivard]

I'm not fast at using them, but they sure do beat using ink.  (grin)

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Hi Bryan,

Yeah, using a slate and stylist is a total pain. I actually have one,
but have never been good at it so haven't used it much. People have
tried to get me to get better at it, but I just never have found a
real need to sit down and practice with it.


On 9/1/14, Bryan Peterson  wrote:

Exactly. Not everyone can use a slate and stylus. I can't and I tried to
learn for years, mostly at te insistance of Joke Rehab people.



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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Bryan Peterson]

The machine's user code.



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Hi Bryan,

I do see the problem, but usually as long as the game is installed on
the same PC backing up the old keys will work provided it is the same
PC. If reinstalling on the same PC and the keys don't work then the
key is not hardware based and uses something else to unlock the
product.



On 9/1/14, Bryan Peterson  wrote:
And unfortunately Super Liam and Judgment Day don't use name-based keys, 
so


backing them up really doesn't work.



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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Bryan Peterson]

Which is basically my point.



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Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 5:39 PM
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Hi Bryan,

That may be the case, but ultimately he is directly responsible for
what happens. If nobody wants to buy his games due to poor support
then that it is his fault not theirs.



On 9/1/14, Bryan Peterson  wrote:

Only problem with that is that this could turn new players away, so Liam
might not make any money anyway.



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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[john]

Wow. I yanked my passport off the desk, out of the usb port and accidentally 
wacked it half way across the room while it was spinning down, and it still 
works fine. Its a wd, too.
On the subject of hard disk reliability, this article might be interesting:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/how-long-do-disk-drives-last/
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Hi Dark and all,

Just thought I would point out the name of the brand is "Sea Gate" not
"See Gate" in case anyone wants to go looking for that brand of
external drive. I will personally vouch for Sea Gate drives, because I
have two of them and they have been far more reliable then Western
Digital in my experience.

As for Passport drives I have owned a couple of those, and found them
to be very problematic. They are basically a laptop drive in a plastic
housing. I've had troubles with the USB chords going bad on them and
needing to be replaced, and if you drop one it is toast. So I found
flash drives more reliable for basic backups.



On 9/1/14, dark  wrote:
> Hi Lori.
>
> I don't know what  sort of drive you used there, but I can say i've used a
> backup external drive for years.
>
> At the moment I have a see gate one. This is a rectangular device. It just
> has the one usb and a power lead, (I don't know why you would need two 
> usb's
>
> or a stand). When I bought it I had to slot the part with the connectors 
> for
>
> the usb and power lead onto the main box, but this wasn't a problem and 
> now
>
> it is done I can pretty much forget about it. What I do is stick it in a 
> box
>
> under my bed, then pull it out every three weeks or so to do a full backup
> of everything, all my keys, documents, music, audiobooks etc, (not to
> mention the setup files for programs).
>
> As an alternative You can now buy what are called passport drives. These 
> are
>
> indeed as you say like a very fat memory stick, they are very small
> andportable, but  can hold ridiculously large amounts (I bought one 
> recently
>
> for my friend which had a 1 tb capacity).
>
> The difference however is that for a passport drive with no power lead you
> will be paying twice the price as you would for a standard external drive
> that needs plugging in. For example for 100 quid I could buy a 5 tb 
> external
>
> drive with a plug, or a 2 Tb passport drive without.
>
> You also don't have to use E bay either, indeed I probably wouldn't get
> something like that from E bay myself sinse as you said your not sure of
> what your getting.
>
> Maplins are a reasonably good national chain and unlike pc world won't try
> to foist things on you, also the one near my parents are good for general
> advice as well.
>
> Hth.
>
> All the best,
>
> Dark.
>
>
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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Bryan,

I do see the problem, but usually as long as the game is installed on
the same PC backing up the old keys will work provided it is the same
PC. If reinstalling on the same PC and the keys don't work then the
key is not hardware based and uses something else to unlock the
product.



On 9/1/14, Bryan Peterson  wrote:
> And unfortunately Super Liam and Judgment Day don't use name-based keys, so
>
> backing them up really doesn't work.
>
>
>
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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Dark and all,

Just thought I would point out the name of the brand is "Sea Gate" not
"See Gate" in case anyone wants to go looking for that brand of
external drive. I will personally vouch for Sea Gate drives, because I
have two of them and they have been far more reliable then Western
Digital in my experience.

As for Passport drives I have owned a couple of those, and found them
to be very problematic. They are basically a laptop drive in a plastic
housing. I've had troubles with the USB chords going bad on them and
needing to be replaced, and if you drop one it is toast. So I found
flash drives more reliable for basic backups.



On 9/1/14, dark  wrote:
> Hi Lori.
>
> I don't know what  sort of drive you used there, but I can say i've used a
> backup external drive for years.
>
> At the moment I have a see gate one. This is a rectangular device. It just
> has the one usb and a power lead, (I don't know why you would need two usb's
>
> or a stand). When I bought it I had to slot the part with the connectors for
>
> the usb and power lead onto the main box, but this wasn't a problem and now
>
> it is done I can pretty much forget about it. What I do is stick it in a box
>
> under my bed, then pull it out every three weeks or so to do a full backup
> of everything, all my keys, documents, music, audiobooks etc, (not to
> mention the setup files for programs).
>
> As an alternative You can now buy what are called passport drives. These are
>
> indeed as you say like a very fat memory stick, they are very small
> andportable, but  can hold ridiculously large amounts (I bought one recently
>
> for my friend which had a 1 tb capacity).
>
> The difference however is that for a passport drive with no power lead you
> will be paying twice the price as you would for a standard external drive
> that needs plugging in. For example for 100 quid I could buy a 5 tb external
>
> drive with a plug, or a 2 Tb passport drive without.
>
> You also don't have to use E bay either, indeed I probably wouldn't get
> something like that from E bay myself sinse as you said your not sure of
> what your getting.
>
> Maplins are a reasonably good national chain and unlike pc world won't try
> to foist things on you, also the one near my parents are good for general
> advice as well.
>
> Hth.
>
> All the best,
>
> Dark.
>
>
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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Bryan,

That may be the case, but ultimately he is directly responsible for
what happens. If nobody wants to buy his games due to poor support
then that it is his fault not theirs.



On 9/1/14, Bryan Peterson  wrote:
> Only problem with that is that this could turn new players away, so Liam
> might not make any money anyway.
>
>
>
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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

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Hi Charles,

You definitely show your age when you mention slate and stylus. In my
experience most younger blind people don't even know how to use one
let alone use it. With the growth of technology I only see braille
solutions like a slate and stylus becoming even less relevant to blind
users.

For example, in the 90's and early 2000's something like the slate and
stylus became obsolete when the VI market was flooded with note takers
like the Braille N' Speak, Type N' Speak, Braille Light, Braille Plus,
Pac Mate, etc. Now days a blind person is more likely to grab their
iPhone or iPad to jot down a quick note than anything else. There is
definitely a good reason for that.

When I first started losing my vision my VI teacher tried to teach me
how to use a slate and stylus along with using a brailler. Quite
frankly I never got the hang of the slate and stylus and even though I
could use it I found it painfully slow and tedious. So by the time I
went to junior high I got my parents to buy me a Braille N' Speak and
I put my slate and stylus in a drawer and pretty much forgot about it.
Most of my peers did the same.


On 9/1/14, Charles Rivard  wrote:
> If a sighted person were to write them down for you, could you read their
> writing?  A better solution would be a slate and stylus and a piece of heavy
>
> paper.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Lori,

Yes. A 404 error means that the requested page is missing or can't be
found. So simply put the link to the order page is broken because the
requested page is unavailable for some reason.

As far as external drives goes I have had a lot of success with Sea
Gate drives. I have never tried Sony's drives, and don't have en
experience with them to form an opinion about them. All I do know is
that generally speaking buying an external drive shouldn't cause any
accessibility issues given that they should just show up in Windows
Explorer or File Explorer as just any other drive.

As far as your issue with sighted people not understanding
accessibility I get that a lot, too.  Fortunately, I don't have to
deal with them much since I generally know what I am doing, and don't
have to try and explain it to sighted people since I just do it
myself. It sounds like you could use a general VI users list where you
can ask technical questions and get more accessible help than you are
getting at home.

On 9/1/14, loriduncan  wrote:
> Hi Thomas, it was a soney drive, my dad got it for me on the recomendation
> of his friend who has a professional computer business.  Dad isn't very
> tech-minded, and the friend, while good with computers, doesn't seem to
> understand the concept of blind accessibility, hense he put avast on my
> computer, then wonders why it's suddenly full of viruses lol.  I knew it
> wasn't accessible, but trying to spell it out to someone who is sighted and
>
> think they know it all is like pulling teeth in this case.  "oh it'll be
> fine, and if not, ask for sighted help" grrr!
>
> Anyway, I decided on copying my product ids for my l-works games and sending
>
> them to Liam to see if that made life any easier for him, the id for Super
> Liam is now on my clipboard, but on being taken to the order page, i get a
> 404 file not found message, which I think means the link is somehow broken.
>
> Do you know what 404 means?
>
> I'll try anyway to post the id and see if I can awaken Liam from his
> slumbers with some of my demonic singing!  :)
>   From lori.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

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Hi Bryan,

Yeah, using a slate and stylist is a total pain. I actually have one,
but have never been good at it so haven't used it much. People have
tried to get me to get better at it, but I just never have found a
real need to sit down and practice with it.


On 9/1/14, Bryan Peterson  wrote:
> Exactly. Not everyone can use a slate and stylus. I can't and I tried to
> learn for years, mostly at te insistance of Joke Rehab people.
>
>
>
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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Stephen,

Oh, I see. I haven't actually gotten any of Liam's commercial games so
wasn't sure if his keys are hardware based or not. So my comments were
more about general key systems rather than any specific company's.

Cheers!


On 9/1/14, Stephen  wrote:
> I was refering to Liam's system, speciffically, which I think if
> memory serves me correctly, is hardware based.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Lori,

What you call a memory stick are commonly called flash drives here in
the US. Basically, it is just a long skinny plastic device with a cap
on it you can take of and slide it into your USB port. To be honest I
haven't paid too much attention to brands and just buy them based on
price and the amount of memory available on them.

There is another option available you might want to think about. You
can buy a USB card reader which costs about $15, and you can put any
size flash card in it which is nice. Of course you have to be careful
with flash cards, but you can have several of them for a decent price
and they are small enough to store in a desk drawer or in a container
on your computer desk.

Either way backup devices aren't that expensive. I don't know much
about the UK to tell you where to get them, but I'm sure there has to
be somewhere to get them for a fair price without going to Amazon, New
Egg,  or another online vender.



On 9/1/14, loriduncan  wrote:
> Hi Thomas, the old drive I had was actually similar to a phone or ipod in
> that it was a square device, but thinking about it now, it was more trouble
>
> than it was worth, it sat on a small base, like a docking station, and had 2
>
> usb cables plugged into it, and the other ends went into my computer.  What
>
> I'd really like, is one that's more like a tiny memory stick, where you just
>
> take the cap off the end and slide it in to a single usb port, but I don't
> know which make is the best, or where would have them in the uk.  I struggle
>
> to trust sites like ebay and buying products which are used.  I also have a
>
> really ancient perkins brailer, but the keys are jammed lol.  The only other
>
> way I can think of to back up my keys, is to have a sighted person write
> them down for me.
>

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Stephen]

I was refering to Liam's system, speciffically, which I think if 
memory serves me correctly, is hardware based.

At 03:35 PM 9/1/2014, you wrote:

Hi Stephen,

Yes and no. It all depends on how the product key system was designed
and weather or not they are hardware specific. Simple name and key
systems, for example, will work on any computer provided the end user
provides the correct user name and product key. Therefore, in a case
like that backing up the correct registration information is the
easiest way to insure the end user has a working product key when they
need to reinstall, buy a new PC, whatever. If it is a hardware based
product key then I would agree the developer needs to be able to
provide new keys when the hardware on the end user's computer changes.



On 8/31/14, Stephen  wrote:
> Product keys change according to what machine you run it on.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Desiree Oudinot]

Even if people added him on Facebook, it's doubtful that he would
respond to requests for product keys there, either. It seems like
people probably already tried contacting him on Twitter, although I
can't swear to that.

On 8/30/14, ishan dhami  wrote:
> can someone know his facebook ID
> Thanks
> Ishan
>
> On 8/30/14, shaun everiss  wrote:
>> Yeah I don't know, he was a good guy but I hardly
>> see him his l-works twitter has not been updated in ages.
>> And as for the 2 games I legally own superliam
>> and judgement day I have given up registering them on my systems.
>> In fact if he is gone I won't buy his stuff
>> because I can't get hime to register anything even though I try to do so.
>>
>> At 02:35 a.m. 30/08/2014, you wrote:
>>>Agreed. I was asked to re-purchase Super Egg
>>>Hunt Plus as a gift for a friend as they lost
>>>the key. Fortunately I still had the key tooked
>>>away somewhere so not a penny was wasted and was
>>>able to give it them again. Strangely this game
>>>does use an automated system but not his other
>>>titles. This is nonsense to me because of
>>>inconsistencies. Christopher Hallsworth Student
>>>at the Hadley School for the Blind
>>>www.hadley.edu On 29/08/2014 01:07, loriduncan
>>>wrote: > Hi, does anyone know whatâ EURO (tm)s happened
>>>to Liam from l-works?  I am still unable to get
>>>any of my games which I paid for,
>>>registered. > > I personally feel he really
>>>needs to set up an automated key replacement
>>>service like some other sites have, if heâ EURO (tm)s
>>>too busy or doesnâ EURO (tm)t want the hard task of
>>>manually replacing lost keys. > > His games are
>>>of such good quality, Iâ EURO (tm)m sad Iâ EURO (tm)m unable to
>>>play them. > > I realise he has a life outside
>>>of game developement, like we all do, and I hope
>>>his real life is going well too. > >  From
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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Desiree Oudinot]

Hi Lori,
Is it just Ebay you don't trust, or is it ordering things online in general?
Even if you wouldn't want to use a site like Amazon, you could still
have a look around on there at flash drives. Compare the descriptions,
and see which one sounds the best to you. Then you could probably go
to a local computer store or something like Best Buy to compare
prices.
I'm from the US, so I honestly don't know what the equivalent for
places like Best buy or Radio Shack is over there, so sorry if that
advice isn't helpful. I'd still be willing to bet that flash drives
are as easily available there as they are here, though. And it really
is true that the prices have dropped quite a bit over the past few
years. Even smaller-capacity external hard drives aren't as expensive
as they used to be.
Either way, that won't help much with replacing your keys for Super
Liam and Judgment Day, unfortunately, since those are hardware-based.
But I agree that it's good to keep backups of all your keys and
important data, so it can't hurt to have a cheap flash drive or two
laying around.

On 9/1/14, loriduncan  wrote:
> Hi Thomas, the old drive I had was actually similar to a phone or ipod in
> that it was a square device, but thinking about it now, it was more trouble
>
> than it was worth, it sat on a small base, like a docking station, and had 2
>
> usb cables plugged into it, and the other ends went into my computer.  What
>
> I'd really like, is one that's more like a tiny memory stick, where you just
>
> take the cap off the end and slide it in to a single usb port, but I don't
> know which make is the best, or where would have them in the uk.  I struggle
>
> to trust sites like ebay and buying products which are used.  I also have a
>
> really ancient perkins brailer, but the keys are jammed lol.  The only other
>
> way I can think of to back up my keys, is to have a sighted person write
> them down for me.
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Ward
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:10 AM
> To: Gamers Discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?
>
> Hi Lori,
>
> That's strange, but what I have learned the hard way is one should
> always make backups of their backups. Especially, if it is something
> very important.
>
> for example, here in the US a USB flash drive is under $20 in US
> dollars so is probably less in pounds. I have a couple of them I keep
> in my desk drawer just for extremely important information like
> product keys so even if my main backup system gets damaged in some way
> I have an alternative source to go get that data. Perhaps you can
> consider something similar in the future.
>
> I know this will sound extremely harsh, but in a lot of cases it isn't
> the responsibility of the company or individual who sells  you a
> product to replace your product key if you lose it. Corporations like
> Microsoft charge big fees if you lose your product keys therefore it
> is in the end user's best interests to find a way to backup that
> information in multiple ways to avoid paying for new keys. If you
> don't safeguard that information then it will cost you money to get
> new keys. We are fortunate that most audio game developers aren't
> quite that strict about key replacement policies and perhaps that is
> why so many blind customers are extremely lax about their keys, and
> just assume if something happens they deserve a free key replacement
> even though in the real world that kind of service would be rare.
>
> On 8/30/14, loriduncan  wrote:
>> Hi, it is totally wrong.  I got Super Egghunt Pluss for Christmas last
>> year,
>>
>> and had all my keys saved to my portible hard drive as well as my c
>> drive.
>> The c drive got infected with a really bad virus, meaning I had to get it
>> replaced, and when i inserted the back-up drive to put my keys back into
>> the
>>
>> computer, I was told the drive was corrupted, so ended up losing
>> everything
>>
>> anyway.
>>
>> What he should consider is a key retrievel system, with so many keys
>> allowed
>>
>> per year.
>>
>> From Lori.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Bryan Peterson]

Exactly. Not everyone can use a slate and stylus. I can't and I tried to 
learn for years, mostly at te insistance of Joke Rehab people.




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Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
-Original Message- 
From: loriduncan

Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 8:22 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

I've never written like that before, only ever used brail, but if they were
written down by a sighted person, at least there would still be a record of
them, and I live with family too, so have someone to rread them out.
Perhaps, Liam could come up with some form of account system to register his
games, like Aprone has for Swamp.

-Original Message- 
From: Charles Rivard

Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 10:42 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

If a sighted person were to write them down for you, could you read their
writing?  A better solution would be a slate and stylus and a piece of heavy
paper.

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- Original Message - 
From: "loriduncan" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 3:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?


Hi Thomas, the old drive I had was actually similar to a phone or ipod in 
that it was a square device, but thinking about it now, it was more 
trouble than it was worth, it sat on a small base, like a docking station, 
and had 2 usb cables plugged into it, and the other ends went into my 
computer.  What I'd really like, is one that's more like a tiny memory 
stick, where you just take the cap off the end and slide it in to a single 
usb port, but I don't know which make is the best, or where would have 
them in the uk.  I struggle to trust sites like ebay and buying products 
which are used.  I also have a really ancient perkins brailer, but the 
keys are jammed lol.  The only other way I can think of to back up my 
keys, is to have a sighted person write them down for me.


-Original Message- 
From: Thomas Ward

Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:10 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

Hi Lori,

That's strange, but what I have learned the hard way is one should
always make backups of their backups. Especially, if it is something
very important.

for example, here in the US a USB flash drive is under $20 in US
dollars so is probably less in pounds. I have a couple of them I keep
in my desk drawer just for extremely important information like
product keys so even if my main backup system gets damaged in some way
I have an alternative source to go get that data. Perhaps you can
consider something similar in the future.

I know this will sound extremely harsh, but in a lot of cases it isn't
the responsibility of the company or individual who sells  you a
product to replace your product key if you lose it. Corporations like
Microsoft charge big fees if you lose your product keys therefore it
is in the end user's best interests to find a way to backup that
information in multiple ways to avoid paying for new keys. If you
don't safeguard that information then it will cost you money to get
new keys. We are fortunate that most audio game developers aren't
quite that strict about key replacement policies and perhaps that is
why so many blind customers are extremely lax about their keys, and
just assume if something happens they deserve a free key replacement
even though in the real world that kind of service would be rare.

On 8/30/14, loriduncan  wrote:
Hi, it is totally wrong.  I got Super Egghunt Pluss for Christmas last 
year,


and had all my keys saved to my portible hard drive as well as my c 
drive.

The c drive got infected with a really bad virus, meaning I had to get it
replaced, and when i inserted the back-up drive to put my keys back into 
the


computer, I was told the drive was corrupted, so ended up losing 
everything


anyway.

What he should consider is a key retrievel system, with so many keys 
allowed


per year.

From Lori.


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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[loriduncan]

Hi Thomas, it was a soney drive, my dad got it for me on the recomendation 
of his friend who has a professional computer business.  Dad isn't very 
tech-minded, and the friend, while good with computers, doesn't seem to 
understand the concept of blind accessibility, hense he put avast on my 
computer, then wonders why it's suddenly full of viruses lol.  I knew it 
wasn't accessible, but trying to spell it out to someone who is sighted and 
think they know it all is like pulling teeth in this case.  "oh it'll be 
fine, and if not, ask for sighted help" grrr!


Anyway, I decided on copying my product ids for my l-works games and sending 
them to Liam to see if that made life any easier for him, the id for Super 
Liam is now on my clipboard, but on being taken to the order page, i get a 
404 file not found message, which I think means the link is somehow broken. 
Do you know what 404 means?


I'll try anyway to post the id and see if I can awaken Liam from his 
slumbers with some of my demonic singing!  :)

 From lori.

-Original Message- 
From: dark

Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 10:24 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

   Hi Lori.

I don't know what  sort of drive you used there, but I can say i've used a
backup external drive for years.

At the moment I have a see gate one. This is a rectangular device. It just
has the one usb and a power lead, (I don't know why you would need two usb's
or a stand). When I bought it I had to slot the part with the connectors for
the usb and power lead onto the main box, but this wasn't a problem and now
it is done I can pretty much forget about it. What I do is stick it in a box
under my bed, then pull it out every three weeks or so to do a full backup
of everything, all my keys, documents, music, audiobooks etc, (not to
mention the setup files for programs).

As an alternative You can now buy what are called passport drives. These are
indeed as you say like a very fat memory stick, they are very small
andportable, but  can hold ridiculously large amounts (I bought one recently
for my friend which had a 1 tb capacity).

The difference however is that for a passport drive with no power lead you
will be paying twice the price as you would for a standard external drive
that needs plugging in. For example for 100 quid I could buy a 5 tb external
drive with a plug, or a 2 Tb passport drive without.

You also don't have to use E bay either, indeed I probably wouldn't get
something like that from E bay myself sinse as you said your not sure of
what your getting.

Maplins are a reasonably good national chain and unlike pc world won't try
to foist things on you, also the one near my parents are good for general
advice as well.

Hth.

All the best,

Dark.


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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[loriduncan]

I've never written like that before, only ever used brail, but if they were 
written down by a sighted person, at least there would still be a record of 
them, and I live with family too, so have someone to rread them out. 
Perhaps, Liam could come up with some form of account system to register his 
games, like Aprone has for Swamp.


-Original Message- 
From: Charles Rivard

Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 10:42 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

If a sighted person were to write them down for you, could you read their
writing?  A better solution would be a slate and stylus and a piece of heavy
paper.

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- Original Message - 
From: "loriduncan" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 3:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?


Hi Thomas, the old drive I had was actually similar to a phone or ipod in 
that it was a square device, but thinking about it now, it was more 
trouble than it was worth, it sat on a small base, like a docking station, 
and had 2 usb cables plugged into it, and the other ends went into my 
computer.  What I'd really like, is one that's more like a tiny memory 
stick, where you just take the cap off the end and slide it in to a single 
usb port, but I don't know which make is the best, or where would have 
them in the uk.  I struggle to trust sites like ebay and buying products 
which are used.  I also have a really ancient perkins brailer, but the 
keys are jammed lol.  The only other way I can think of to back up my 
keys, is to have a sighted person write them down for me.


-Original Message- 
From: Thomas Ward

Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:10 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

Hi Lori,

That's strange, but what I have learned the hard way is one should
always make backups of their backups. Especially, if it is something
very important.

for example, here in the US a USB flash drive is under $20 in US
dollars so is probably less in pounds. I have a couple of them I keep
in my desk drawer just for extremely important information like
product keys so even if my main backup system gets damaged in some way
I have an alternative source to go get that data. Perhaps you can
consider something similar in the future.

I know this will sound extremely harsh, but in a lot of cases it isn't
the responsibility of the company or individual who sells  you a
product to replace your product key if you lose it. Corporations like
Microsoft charge big fees if you lose your product keys therefore it
is in the end user's best interests to find a way to backup that
information in multiple ways to avoid paying for new keys. If you
don't safeguard that information then it will cost you money to get
new keys. We are fortunate that most audio game developers aren't
quite that strict about key replacement policies and perhaps that is
why so many blind customers are extremely lax about their keys, and
just assume if something happens they deserve a free key replacement
even though in the real world that kind of service would be rare.

On 8/30/14, loriduncan  wrote:
Hi, it is totally wrong.  I got Super Egghunt Pluss for Christmas last 
year,


and had all my keys saved to my portible hard drive as well as my c 
drive.

The c drive got infected with a really bad virus, meaning I had to get it
replaced, and when i inserted the back-up drive to put my keys back into 
the


computer, I was told the drive was corrupted, so ended up losing 
everything


anyway.

What he should consider is a key retrievel system, with so many keys 
allowed


per year.

From Lori.


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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[john]

Or just encrypt and upload them to the cloud... there  are plenty of ways to 
compress and encrypt product keys.

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Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 5:42 AM
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

If a sighted person were to write them down for you, could you read their
writing?  A better solution would be a slate and stylus and a piece of heavy
paper.

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- Original Message - 
From: "loriduncan" 
To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 3:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?


> Hi Thomas, the old drive I had was actually similar to a phone or ipod in
> that it was a square device, but thinking about it now, it was more
> trouble than it was worth, it sat on a small base, like a docking station,
> and had 2 usb cables plugged into it, and the other ends went into my
> computer.  What I'd really like, is one that's more like a tiny memory
> stick, where you just take the cap off the end and slide it in to a single
> usb port, but I don't know which make is the best, or where would have
> them in the uk.  I struggle to trust sites like ebay and buying products
> which are used.  I also have a really ancient perkins brailer, but the
> keys are jammed lol.  The only other way I can think of to back up my
> keys, is to have a sighted person write them down for me.
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Thomas Ward
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:10 AM
> To: Gamers Discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?
>
> Hi Lori,
>
> That's strange, but what I have learned the hard way is one should
> always make backups of their backups. Especially, if it is something
> very important.
>
> for example, here in the US a USB flash drive is under $20 in US
> dollars so is probably less in pounds. I have a couple of them I keep
> in my desk drawer just for extremely important information like
> product keys so even if my main backup system gets damaged in some way
> I have an alternative source to go get that data. Perhaps you can
> consider something similar in the future.
>
> I know this will sound extremely harsh, but in a lot of cases it isn't
> the responsibility of the company or individual who sells  you a
> product to replace your product key if you lose it. Corporations like
> Microsoft charge big fees if you lose your product keys therefore it
> is in the end user's best interests to find a way to backup that
> information in multiple ways to avoid paying for new keys. If you
> don't safeguard that information then it will cost you money to get
> new keys. We are fortunate that most audio game developers aren't
> quite that strict about key replacement policies and perhaps that is
> why so many blind customers are extremely lax about their keys, and
> just assume if something happens they deserve a free key replacement
> even though in the real world that kind of service would be rare.
>
> On 8/30/14, loriduncan  wrote:
>> Hi, it is totally wrong.  I got Super Egghunt Pluss for Christmas last
>> year,
>>
>> and had all my keys saved to my portible hard drive as well as my c
>> drive.
>> The c drive got infected with a really bad virus, meaning I had to get it
>> replaced, and when i inserted the back-up drive to put my keys back into
>> the
>>
>> computer, I was told the drive was corrupted, so ended up losing
>> everything
>>
>> anyway.
>>
>> What he should consider is a key retrievel system, with so many keys
>> allowed
>>
>> per year.
>>
>> From Lori.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Charles Rivard]

If a sighted person were to write them down for you, could you read their 
writing?  A better solution would be a slate and stylus and a piece of heavy 
paper.


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- Original Message - 
From: "loriduncan" 

To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 3:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?


Hi Thomas, the old drive I had was actually similar to a phone or ipod in 
that it was a square device, but thinking about it now, it was more 
trouble than it was worth, it sat on a small base, like a docking station, 
and had 2 usb cables plugged into it, and the other ends went into my 
computer.  What I'd really like, is one that's more like a tiny memory 
stick, where you just take the cap off the end and slide it in to a single 
usb port, but I don't know which make is the best, or where would have 
them in the uk.  I struggle to trust sites like ebay and buying products 
which are used.  I also have a really ancient perkins brailer, but the 
keys are jammed lol.  The only other way I can think of to back up my 
keys, is to have a sighted person write them down for me.


-Original Message- 
From: Thomas Ward

Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:10 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

Hi Lori,

That's strange, but what I have learned the hard way is one should
always make backups of their backups. Especially, if it is something
very important.

for example, here in the US a USB flash drive is under $20 in US
dollars so is probably less in pounds. I have a couple of them I keep
in my desk drawer just for extremely important information like
product keys so even if my main backup system gets damaged in some way
I have an alternative source to go get that data. Perhaps you can
consider something similar in the future.

I know this will sound extremely harsh, but in a lot of cases it isn't
the responsibility of the company or individual who sells  you a
product to replace your product key if you lose it. Corporations like
Microsoft charge big fees if you lose your product keys therefore it
is in the end user's best interests to find a way to backup that
information in multiple ways to avoid paying for new keys. If you
don't safeguard that information then it will cost you money to get
new keys. We are fortunate that most audio game developers aren't
quite that strict about key replacement policies and perhaps that is
why so many blind customers are extremely lax about their keys, and
just assume if something happens they deserve a free key replacement
even though in the real world that kind of service would be rare.

On 8/30/14, loriduncan  wrote:
Hi, it is totally wrong.  I got Super Egghunt Pluss for Christmas last 
year,


and had all my keys saved to my portible hard drive as well as my c 
drive.

The c drive got infected with a really bad virus, meaning I had to get it
replaced, and when i inserted the back-up drive to put my keys back into 
the


computer, I was told the drive was corrupted, so ended up losing 
everything


anyway.

What he should consider is a key retrievel system, with so many keys 
allowed


per year.

From Lori.


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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[dark]

   Hi Lori.

I don't know what  sort of drive you used there, but I can say i've used a 
backup external drive for years.


At the moment I have a see gate one. This is a rectangular device. It just 
has the one usb and a power lead, (I don't know why you would need two usb's 
or a stand). When I bought it I had to slot the part with the connectors for 
the usb and power lead onto the main box, but this wasn't a problem and now 
it is done I can pretty much forget about it. What I do is stick it in a box 
under my bed, then pull it out every three weeks or so to do a full backup 
of everything, all my keys, documents, music, audiobooks etc, (not to 
mention the setup files for programs).


As an alternative You can now buy what are called passport drives. These are 
indeed as you say like a very fat memory stick, they are very small 
andportable, but  can hold ridiculously large amounts (I bought one recently 
for my friend which had a 1 tb capacity).


The difference however is that for a passport drive with no power lead you 
will be paying twice the price as you would for a standard external drive 
that needs plugging in. For example for 100 quid I could buy a 5 tb external 
drive with a plug, or a 2 Tb passport drive without.


You also don't have to use E bay either, indeed I probably wouldn't get 
something like that from E bay myself sinse as you said your not sure of 
what your getting.


Maplins are a reasonably good national chain and unlike pc world won't try 
to foist things on you, also the one near my parents are good for general 
advice as well.


Hth.

All the best,

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[loriduncan]

Hi Thomas, the old drive I had was actually similar to a phone or ipod in 
that it was a square device, but thinking about it now, it was more trouble 
than it was worth, it sat on a small base, like a docking station, and had 2 
usb cables plugged into it, and the other ends went into my computer.  What 
I'd really like, is one that's more like a tiny memory stick, where you just 
take the cap off the end and slide it in to a single usb port, but I don't 
know which make is the best, or where would have them in the uk.  I struggle 
to trust sites like ebay and buying products which are used.  I also have a 
really ancient perkins brailer, but the keys are jammed lol.  The only other 
way I can think of to back up my keys, is to have a sighted person write 
them down for me.


-Original Message- 
From: Thomas Ward

Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:10 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

Hi Lori,

That's strange, but what I have learned the hard way is one should
always make backups of their backups. Especially, if it is something
very important.

for example, here in the US a USB flash drive is under $20 in US
dollars so is probably less in pounds. I have a couple of them I keep
in my desk drawer just for extremely important information like
product keys so even if my main backup system gets damaged in some way
I have an alternative source to go get that data. Perhaps you can
consider something similar in the future.

I know this will sound extremely harsh, but in a lot of cases it isn't
the responsibility of the company or individual who sells  you a
product to replace your product key if you lose it. Corporations like
Microsoft charge big fees if you lose your product keys therefore it
is in the end user's best interests to find a way to backup that
information in multiple ways to avoid paying for new keys. If you
don't safeguard that information then it will cost you money to get
new keys. We are fortunate that most audio game developers aren't
quite that strict about key replacement policies and perhaps that is
why so many blind customers are extremely lax about their keys, and
just assume if something happens they deserve a free key replacement
even though in the real world that kind of service would be rare.

On 8/30/14, loriduncan  wrote:
Hi, it is totally wrong.  I got Super Egghunt Pluss for Christmas last 
year,


and had all my keys saved to my portible hard drive as well as my c drive.
The c drive got infected with a really bad virus, meaning I had to get it
replaced, and when i inserted the back-up drive to put my keys back into 
the


computer, I was told the drive was corrupted, so ended up losing 
everything


anyway.

What he should consider is a key retrievel system, with so many keys 
allowed


per year.

From Lori.


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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Bryan Peterson]

Only problem with that is that this could turn new players away, so Liam 
might not make any money anyway.




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From: Thomas Ward

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 8:52 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

Hi Lori,

While I do agree Liam needs to get his act together about key
replacements and providing better support for his games I disagree
about him giving them away for free. He put the time and work into
creating them so deserves some compensation for that, and as a fellow
developer can understand why he would be reluctant to just give them
away. That said, I don't really understand why he isn't providing
better support for them.

Yes, I know he does have a real daytime job which would drastically
effect how much free time he has to devoting to supporting his
products. Nobody can fault him for that, but I do think he could
probably manage his free time better. I realize it is easy for me to
say this, but I would think he could devote at least a little time to
L-Works support rather than doing something else with his free time be
it watching TV,playing games, or whatever it is he does in his free
time. It makes me question weather he really cares or not. Perhaps,
though, I am being too harsh. I just don't know enough about why he
isn't offering better support to accurately make a fair judgement
about the situation.

Still, even if he himself doesn't have free time he should be able to
find a trusted friend, relative, or appoint a fellow game developer to
redistribute product keys and help manage the business end of things
of L-Works rather than let things hang. Again, easy for me to say, but
it would potentially be an option to offer his customers something
rather than seemingly ignoring them.

Last of all he could always write or higher someone to write some
automated system which would ideally be the best way to handle
support. The automated system would be available 24/7
and only require minimal oversight. That way he would be free to do
whatever he needed to do while having an automated system overseeing
the business end of the business.

The point being here is I know Liam could probably do something, and
for that reason I don't believe just giving his games away for free is
the right answer. However, he does need to do something as it feels
like a lot of people have been left in the lurch by his lack of
attention to L-Works the last few years.

On 8/30/14, loriduncan  wrote:
Hi Thomas, he really does need to get his act together with l-works. 
We've


paid good money for high quality games, and if he can't be bothered 
helping


his customers, then he should just make all his games free.


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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Bryan Peterson]

And unfortunately Super Liam and Judgment Day don't use name-based keys, so 
backing them up really doesn't work.




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From: Thomas Ward

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 11:35 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

Hi Stephen,

Yes and no. It all depends on how the product key system was designed
and weather or not they are hardware specific. Simple name and key
systems, for example, will work on any computer provided the end user
provides the correct user name and product key. Therefore, in a case
like that backing up the correct registration information is the
easiest way to insure the end user has a working product key when they
need to reinstall, buy a new PC, whatever. If it is a hardware based
product key then I would agree the developer needs to be able to
provide new keys when the hardware on the end user's computer changes.



On 8/31/14, Stephen  wrote:

Product keys change according to what machine you run it on.


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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Stephen,

Yes and no. It all depends on how the product key system was designed
and weather or not they are hardware specific. Simple name and key
systems, for example, will work on any computer provided the end user
provides the correct user name and product key. Therefore, in a case
like that backing up the correct registration information is the
easiest way to insure the end user has a working product key when they
need to reinstall, buy a new PC, whatever. If it is a hardware based
product key then I would agree the developer needs to be able to
provide new keys when the hardware on the end user's computer changes.



On 8/31/14, Stephen  wrote:
> Product keys change according to what machine you run it on.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Stephen]

Product keys change according to what machine you run it on.
At 01:10 PM 9/1/2014, you wrote:

Hi Lori,

That's strange, but what I have learned the hard way is one should
always make backups of their backups. Especially, if it is something
very important.

for example, here in the US a USB flash drive is under $20 in US
dollars so is probably less in pounds. I have a couple of them I keep
in my desk drawer just for extremely important information like
product keys so even if my main backup system gets damaged in some way
I have an alternative source to go get that data. Perhaps you can
consider something similar in the future.

I know this will sound extremely harsh, but in a lot of cases it isn't
the responsibility of the company or individual who sells  you a
product to replace your product key if you lose it. Corporations like
Microsoft charge big fees if you lose your product keys therefore it
is in the end user's best interests to find a way to backup that
information in multiple ways to avoid paying for new keys. If you
don't safeguard that information then it will cost you money to get
new keys. We are fortunate that most audio game developers aren't
quite that strict about key replacement policies and perhaps that is
why so many blind customers are extremely lax about their keys, and
just assume if something happens they deserve a free key replacement
even though in the real world that kind of service would be rare.

On 8/30/14, loriduncan  wrote:
> Hi, it is totally wrong.  I got Super Egghunt Pluss for Christmas 
last year,

>
> and had all my keys saved to my portible hard drive as well as my c drive.
> The c drive got infected with a really bad virus, meaning I had to get it
> replaced, and when i inserted the back-up drive to put my keys 
back into the

>
> computer, I was told the drive was corrupted, so ended up losing everything
>
> anyway.
>
> What he should consider is a key retrievel system, with so many 
keys allowed

>
> per year.
>
> From Lori.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Lori,

That's strange, but what I have learned the hard way is one should
always make backups of their backups. Especially, if it is something
very important.

for example, here in the US a USB flash drive is under $20 in US
dollars so is probably less in pounds. I have a couple of them I keep
in my desk drawer just for extremely important information like
product keys so even if my main backup system gets damaged in some way
I have an alternative source to go get that data. Perhaps you can
consider something similar in the future.

I know this will sound extremely harsh, but in a lot of cases it isn't
the responsibility of the company or individual who sells  you a
product to replace your product key if you lose it. Corporations like
Microsoft charge big fees if you lose your product keys therefore it
is in the end user's best interests to find a way to backup that
information in multiple ways to avoid paying for new keys. If you
don't safeguard that information then it will cost you money to get
new keys. We are fortunate that most audio game developers aren't
quite that strict about key replacement policies and perhaps that is
why so many blind customers are extremely lax about their keys, and
just assume if something happens they deserve a free key replacement
even though in the real world that kind of service would be rare.

On 8/30/14, loriduncan  wrote:
> Hi, it is totally wrong.  I got Super Egghunt Pluss for Christmas last year,
>
> and had all my keys saved to my portible hard drive as well as my c drive.
> The c drive got infected with a really bad virus, meaning I had to get it
> replaced, and when i inserted the back-up drive to put my keys back into the
>
> computer, I was told the drive was corrupted, so ended up losing everything
>
> anyway.
>
> What he should consider is a key retrievel system, with so many keys allowed
>
> per year.
>
> From Lori.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Ishan,

I think you meant to ask, "does anyone know his Facebook ID." Using
can as you did completely changes the nature of the question.

Anyway, I personally don't know his Facebook ID, assuming he has one,
but it isn't hard to check. Moreover I know Liam is on Twitter and it
shouldn't be difficult to find his Twitter feed. I don't have the time
right now or I might look for you guys so you can try and find him via
social media.



On 8/30/14, ishan dhami  wrote:
> can someone know his facebook ID
> Thanks
> Ishan
>

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

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Hi Lori,

While I do agree Liam needs to get his act together about key
replacements and providing better support for his games I disagree
about him giving them away for free. He put the time and work into
creating them so deserves some compensation for that, and as a fellow
developer can understand why he would be reluctant to just give them
away. That said, I don't really understand why he isn't providing
better support for them.

Yes, I know he does have a real daytime job which would drastically
effect how much free time he has to devoting to supporting his
products. Nobody can fault him for that, but I do think he could
probably manage his free time better. I realize it is easy for me to
say this, but I would think he could devote at least a little time to
L-Works support rather than doing something else with his free time be
it watching TV,playing games, or whatever it is he does in his free
time. It makes me question weather he really cares or not. Perhaps,
though, I am being too harsh. I just don't know enough about why he
isn't offering better support to accurately make a fair judgement
about the situation.

Still, even if he himself doesn't have free time he should be able to
find a trusted friend, relative, or appoint a fellow game developer to
redistribute product keys and help manage the business end of things
of L-Works rather than let things hang. Again, easy for me to say, but
it would potentially be an option to offer his customers something
rather than seemingly ignoring them.

Last of all he could always write or higher someone to write some
automated system which would ideally be the best way to handle
support. The automated system would be available 24/7
and only require minimal oversight. That way he would be free to do
whatever he needed to do while having an automated system overseeing
the business end of the business.

The point being here is I know Liam could probably do something, and
for that reason I don't believe just giving his games away for free is
the right answer. However, he does need to do something as it feels
like a lot of people have been left in the lurch by his lack of
attention to L-Works the last few years.

On 8/30/14, loriduncan  wrote:
> Hi Thomas, he really does need to get his act together with l-works.  We've
>
> paid good money for high quality games, and if he can't be bothered helping
>
> his customers, then he should just make all his games free.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[shaun everiss]

Well if he ever wanted someone to handle all his orders and keys I'd 
probably take that on as well as other part time projects I am doing.

ofcause it would have to be a team of people incase one got sick but who knows.
personally I would stop short of pirating his games but not by much.
If he is still gone next year or even next month then all bets are  off.
I knew him as a completely random guy everything was random but even 
for him this really is over his randomness just a bit its been a 
concern for a while the only reason I don't jump on him is that while 
I still do buy games I seem to have less and less time to really get 
down and have a good bash at the controls.
Usually its what I am testing, mostly I don't have time but when I do 
have a bit I do go at it.


At 08:13 a.m. 31/08/2014, you wrote:
I would not expect him to make his games free.  If he did that, what 
would he earn from his work?  That's asking far too much.


What I think he should do is to have someone who is willing to do 
so, take charge of the key replacements, or, as previously suggested 
by list members, go to an automated system of registration.


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- Original Message - From: "loriduncan" 
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Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?


Hi Thomas, he really does need to get his act together with 
l-works. We've paid good money for high quality games, and if he 
can't be bothered helping his customers, then he should just make 
all his games free.


-Original Message- From: Thomas Ward
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

Hi Lori,

Unfortunately, Liam hasn't been too communicative over the last couple
of years so I personally have no idea what he is up to. That said, I
agree he really does need to employ some sort of automated payment and
key replacement system as a lot of people are growing tired of not
receiving key replacements, questions about his lack of response to
e-mails, etc. If he is unable to respond to e-mails and come up with
timely key replacements then he needs to find some sort of automated
system to do it for him.

Cheers!


On 8/28/14, loriduncan  wrote:

Hi, does anyone know what's happened to Liam from l-works?  I am still
unable to get any of my games which I paid for, registered.

I personally feel he really needs to set up an automated key replacement
service like some other sites have, if he's too busy or doesn't want the
hard task of manually replacing lost keys.

His games are of such good quality, I'm sad I'm unable to play them.

I realise he has a life outside of game developement, like we all do, and I
hope his real life is going well too.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[ishan dhami]

can someone know his facebook ID
Thanks
Ishan

On 8/30/14, shaun everiss  wrote:
> Yeah I don't know, he was a good guy but I hardly
> see him his l-works twitter has not been updated in ages.
> And as for the 2 games I legally own superliam
> and judgement day I have given up registering them on my systems.
> In fact if he is gone I won't buy his stuff
> because I can't get hime to register anything even though I try to do so.
>
> At 02:35 a.m. 30/08/2014, you wrote:
>>Agreed. I was asked to re-purchase Super Egg
>>Hunt Plus as a gift for a friend as they lost
>>the key. Fortunately I still had the key tooked
>>away somewhere so not a penny was wasted and was
>>able to give it them again. Strangely this game
>>does use an automated system but not his other
>>titles. This is nonsense to me because of
>>inconsistencies. Christopher Hallsworth Student
>>at the Hadley School for the Blind
>>www.hadley.edu On 29/08/2014 01:07, loriduncan
>>wrote: > Hi, does anyone know whatâ EURO (tm)s happened
>>to Liam from l-works?  I am still unable to get
>>any of my games which I paid for,
>>registered. > > I personally feel he really
>>needs to set up an automated key replacement
>>service like some other sites have, if heâ EURO (tm)s
>>too busy or doesnâ EURO (tm)t want the hard task of
>>manually replacing lost keys. > > His games are
>>of such good quality, Iâ EURO (tm)m sad Iâ EURO (tm)m unable to
>>play them. > > I realise he has a life outside
>>of game developement, like we all do, and I hope
>>his real life is going well too. > >  From
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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[shaun everiss]

I agree to all this, I have tried time and time again to get codes 
but his email though I get no erros back don't give me a resonce.
I have seen some cracks for his games and to be honest, i have 
thought about pirating his stuff, I know him so I won't but his being 
gone for so long really does not help him any.
I have had him streaming to me for some time so I  have some good 
friendships with him at least for a few years while on msn, and also 
with a few other gings in past years, but good will can only go so 
far and I am starting to have doubts.

Its like he has vanished off the earth with no trace.
Its good I got time to play his stuff when he was still round because 
I spent a good 60 bucks on sl and jd and to be honest who knows.
Lorry, its strange your external hard drive got corrupted because of 
a virus and a virus destroyed your hard drive needing it to get 
replaced, maybe a reformat but never replacement and I have never had 
an external get corrupted like that, windows from time to time says 
the drive needs reformatting or  is corrupted but its not, its just 
windows being stupid I have had a drive die on me well 2 of them 
physically explode and die but I think someone is having a laugh at 
your expence.


At 07:33 a.m. 31/08/2014, you wrote:
Hi Thomas, he really does need to get his act together with 
l-works.  We've paid good money for high quality games, and if he 
can't be bothered helping his customers, then he should just make 
all his games free.


-Original Message- From: Thomas Ward
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:25 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

Hi Lori,

Unfortunately, Liam hasn't been too communicative over the last couple
of years so I personally have no idea what he is up to. That said, I
agree he really does need to employ some sort of automated payment and
key replacement system as a lot of people are growing tired of not
receiving key replacements, questions about his lack of response to
e-mails, etc. If he is unable to respond to e-mails and come up with
timely key replacements then he needs to find some sort of automated
system to do it for him.

Cheers!


On 8/28/14, loriduncan  wrote:

Hi, does anyone know what's happened to Liam from l-works?  I am still
unable to get any of my games which I paid for, registered.

I personally feel he really needs to set up an automated key replacement
service like some other sites have, if he's too busy or doesn't want the
hard task of manually replacing lost keys.

His games are of such good quality, I'm sad I'm unable to play them.

I realise he has a life outside of game developement, like we all do, and I
hope his real life is going well too.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[Thomas Ward]

Hi Ishan,

Yes, Liam use to be a member of this list. However, I'd have to check
the membership to see if he is still a list member. That's not really
here nor there since it does not really resolve the problem user's are
having with getting their keys replaced.



On 8/31/14, ishan dhami  wrote:
> well He was a member of audyssey I think.
> I saw his personal website yesterday and there is only one post which
> we write in this year.
> Thanks
> Ishan

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[ishan dhami]

well He was a member of audyssey I think.
I saw his personal website yesterday and there is only one post which
we write in this year.
Thanks
Ishan

On 8/31/14, Charles Rivard  wrote:
> I would not expect him to make his games free.  If he did that, what would
> he earn from his work?  That's asking far too much.
>
> What I think he should do is to have someone who is willing to do so, take
> charge of the key replacements, or, as previously suggested by list members,
>
> go to an automated system of registration.
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> - Original Message -
> From: "loriduncan" 
> To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?
>
>
>> Hi Thomas, he really does need to get his act together with l-works.
>> We've paid good money for high quality games, and if he can't be bothered
>>
>> helping his customers, then he should just make all his games free.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Thomas Ward
>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:25 PM
>> To: Gamers Discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?
>>
>> Hi Lori,
>>
>> Unfortunately, Liam hasn't been too communicative over the last couple
>> of years so I personally have no idea what he is up to. That said, I
>> agree he really does need to employ some sort of automated payment and
>> key replacement system as a lot of people are growing tired of not
>> receiving key replacements, questions about his lack of response to
>> e-mails, etc. If he is unable to respond to e-mails and come up with
>> timely key replacements then he needs to find some sort of automated
>> system to do it for him.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>>
>> On 8/28/14, loriduncan  wrote:
>>> Hi, does anyone know what's happened to Liam from l-works?  I am still
>>> unable to get any of my games which I paid for, registered.
>>>
>>> I personally feel he really needs to set up an automated key replacement
>>> service like some other sites have, if he's too busy or doesn't want the
>>> hard task of manually replacing lost keys.
>>>
>>> His games are of such good quality, I'm sad I'm unable to play them.
>>>
>>> I realise he has a life outside of game developement, like we all do, and
>>>
>>> I
>>> hope his real life is going well too.
>>>
>>> From Lori.
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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

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I would not expect him to make his games free.  If he did that, what would 
he earn from his work?  That's asking far too much.


What I think he should do is to have someone who is willing to do so, take 
charge of the key replacements, or, as previously suggested by list members, 
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To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?


Hi Thomas, he really does need to get his act together with l-works. 
We've paid good money for high quality games, and if he can't be bothered 
helping his customers, then he should just make all his games free.


-Original Message- 
From: Thomas Ward

Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:25 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

Hi Lori,

Unfortunately, Liam hasn't been too communicative over the last couple
of years so I personally have no idea what he is up to. That said, I
agree he really does need to employ some sort of automated payment and
key replacement system as a lot of people are growing tired of not
receiving key replacements, questions about his lack of response to
e-mails, etc. If he is unable to respond to e-mails and come up with
timely key replacements then he needs to find some sort of automated
system to do it for him.

Cheers!


On 8/28/14, loriduncan  wrote:

Hi, does anyone know what's happened to Liam from l-works?  I am still
unable to get any of my games which I paid for, registered.

I personally feel he really needs to set up an automated key replacement
service like some other sites have, if he's too busy or doesn't want the
hard task of manually replacing lost keys.

His games are of such good quality, I'm sad I'm unable to play them.

I realise he has a life outside of game developement, like we all do, and 
I

hope his real life is going well too.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[loriduncan]

Hi Thomas, he really does need to get his act together with l-works.  We've 
paid good money for high quality games, and if he can't be bothered helping 
his customers, then he should just make all his games free.


-Original Message- 
From: Thomas Ward

Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:25 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

Hi Lori,

Unfortunately, Liam hasn't been too communicative over the last couple
of years so I personally have no idea what he is up to. That said, I
agree he really does need to employ some sort of automated payment and
key replacement system as a lot of people are growing tired of not
receiving key replacements, questions about his lack of response to
e-mails, etc. If he is unable to respond to e-mails and come up with
timely key replacements then he needs to find some sort of automated
system to do it for him.

Cheers!


On 8/28/14, loriduncan  wrote:

Hi, does anyone know what's happened to Liam from l-works?  I am still
unable to get any of my games which I paid for, registered.

I personally feel he really needs to set up an automated key replacement
service like some other sites have, if he's too busy or doesn't want the
hard task of manually replacing lost keys.

His games are of such good quality, I'm sad I'm unable to play them.

I realise he has a life outside of game developement, like we all do, and 
I

hope his real life is going well too.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[loriduncan]

Hi, it is totally wrong.  I got Super Egghunt Pluss for Christmas last year, 
and had all my keys saved to my portible hard drive as well as my c drive. 
The c drive got infected with a really bad virus, meaning I had to get it 
replaced, and when i inserted the back-up drive to put my keys back into the 
computer, I was told the drive was corrupted, so ended up losing everything 
anyway.


What he should consider is a key retrievel system, with so many keys allowed 
per year.



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-Original Message- 
From: Desiree Oudinot

Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:53 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

Hi,
Yeah, from everything I've heard, this isn't unusual. I personally
feel that it isn't right to make people wait for months for keys that
they purchased.
A similar thing happened to one of my friends, he had to wait for
several months to get his keys. Unfortunately, not long after that,
his computer got stolen while he was on vacation. So now he's going
through that frustrating process all over again.
If someone really doesn't have time to manually replace keys, an
automated system should definitely be put in place. Even if the
structure of the licensing system wasn't changed, which would require
a rewrite of some of the game's code, I assume, how difficult would it
be to create a system like BSC Games used to have, where you entered
your registration info on the website, and your code was emailed to
you?
I'm not trying to be snarky by asking that, either, I'm genuinely
curious about whether that would be a feasible solution to this
problem, since the current way, as it stands, has been causing
frustration to customers for several years.

On 8/28/14, loriduncan  wrote:

Hi, does anyone know what's happened to Liam from l-works?  I am still
unable to get any of my games which I paid for, registered.

I personally feel he really needs to set up an automated key replacement
service like some other sites have, if he's too busy or doesn't want the
hard task of manually replacing lost keys.

His games are of such good quality, I'm sad I'm unable to play them.

I realise he has a life outside of game developement, like we all do, and 
I

hope his real life is going well too.

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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[shaun everiss]

Yeah I don't know, he was a good guy but I hardly 
see him his l-works twitter has not been updated in ages.
And as for the 2 games I legally own superliam 
and judgement day I have given up registering them on my systems.
In fact if he is gone I won't buy his stuff 
because I can't get hime to register anything even though I try to do so.


At 02:35 a.m. 30/08/2014, you wrote:
Agreed. I was asked to re-purchase Super Egg 
Hunt Plus as a gift for a friend as they lost 
the key. Fortunately I still had the key tooked 
away somewhere so not a penny was wasted and was 
able to give it them again. Strangely this game 
does use an automated system but not his other 
titles. This is nonsense to me because of 
inconsistencies. Christopher Hallsworth Student 
at the Hadley School for the Blind 
www.hadley.edu On 29/08/2014 01:07, loriduncan 
wrote: > Hi, does anyone know what’s happened 
to Liam from l-works?  I am still unable to get 
any of my games which I paid for, 
registered. > > I personally feel he really 
needs to set up an automated key replacement 
service like some other sites have, if he’s 
too busy or doesn’t want the hard task of 
manually replacing lost keys. > > His games are 
of such good quality, I’m sad I’m unable to 
play them. > > I realise he has a life outside 
of game developement, like we all do, and I hope 
his real life is going well too. > >  From 
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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[ishan dhami]

Hi if you have a question about his games and keys then you should
contact his team or himself.
These three guys Munawar philip and liam are very good producer of
audio games but when I contact them they didn't reply
if I receive his mail I'll forward his personal ID.
Ishan

On 8/29/14, loriduncan  wrote:
> Hi, does anyone know what's happened to Liam from l-works?  I am still
> unable to get any of my games which I paid for, registered.
>
> I personally feel he really needs to set up an automated key replacement
> service like some other sites have, if he's too busy or doesn't want the
> hard task of manually replacing lost keys.
>
> His games are of such good quality, I'm sad I'm unable to play them.
>
> I realise he has a life outside of game developement, like we all do, and I
> hope his real life is going well too.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] What has happened to Liam?

[ishan dhami]

even I don't find him in audiogames.net forum.
Philip liam and munawar they both are the same kind of person.
they should inspire from david greenwood and give my account feature
for their customer
This way noone can crack their games and they can give a unique
product key for their customers.
Thanks
Ishan

On 8/30/14, Thomas Ward  wrote:
> Hi Lori,
>
> Unfortunately, Liam hasn't been too communicative over the last couple
> of years so I personally have no idea what he is up to. That said, I
> agree he really does need to employ some sort of automated payment and
> key replacement system as a lot of people are growing tired of not
> receiving key replacements, questions about his lack of response to
> e-mails, etc. If he is unable to respond to e-mails and come up with
> timely key replacements then he needs to find some sort of automated
> system to do it for him.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> On 8/28/14, loriduncan  wrote:
>> Hi, does anyone know what's happened to Liam from l-works?  I am still
>> unable to get any of my games which I paid for, registered.
>>
>> I personally feel he really needs to set up an automated key replacement
>> service like some other sites have, if he's too busy or doesn't want the
>> hard task of manually replacing lost keys.
>>
>> His games are of such good quality, I'm sad I'm unable to play them.
>>
>> I realise he has a life outside of game developement, like we all do, and
>> I
>> hope his real life is going well too.
>>
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