g_b How would this case be handled in India
Ashok, Aditya, Vikram, Asfan - As a graduate of The Gunnery School in Washington, CT, USA...forty years ago...I have been watching the development of this case over the last week...and have been trying to understand how a case of homosexual pedophilia against a teacher would be pursued in India.. In the USA...this case was kept under cover for two months to allow the police to properly investigate the allegations...at the time that the police had developed sufficient corroborating evidence from other students...the charges were laid against the teacher and he was arraigned before the court...he paid $750,000.00 ( 3.75 crores) as bail and had to turn in his passport...some reports indicate that if convicted he could spend anywhere from 3 to 60 years in prison.. In the USA the teacher is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty...so many of the case details have been sealed from public viewing...both to protect the teacher and the students...and to permit the police to further investigate the teacher, about 4500 students he had contact with over the past 15 years, and the teacher's friends and acquaintances.. Needless to say...even if this man is proven innocent...it will very hard for him to ever find work dealing with children again.. What do you imagine would happen with this case here in India?? See story and/or link below.. Elizabeth Former Gunnery Dean Charged _http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20356504BRD=1655PAG=461dept_id =13091rfi=6_ (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20356504BRD=1655PAG=461dept_id=13091rfi=6) By: Tracy Kennedy 08/07/2009 (javascript: openEmailWindow();) _Email to a friend_ (javascript: openEmailWindow();) (http://www.zwire.com/site/?brd=1655pag=795newsid=20356504action=submit) _Post a Comment_ (http://www.zwire.com/site/?brd=1655pag=795newsid=20356504action=submit) (http://www.zwire.com/site/printerFriendly.cfm?brd=1655dept_id=13091newsid=20356504) _Printer-friendly_ (http://www.zwire.com/site/printerFriendly.cfm?brd=1655dept_id=13091newsid=20356504) Three students reported to police that former Gunnery School Dean of Students Robert Reinhardt sexually assaulted them at the school, but there may be more alleged victims. The investigation is ongoing, Assistant State's Attorney Terri Sonnemann said Wednesday. Mr. Reinhardt, 45, was reshy;leased from state custody after posting a total of $750,000 bonds in three cases. He traveled from his home in Telford, Pa., where he has been living with a sister for the last two months, to surrender at the state police barracks in Litchfield at 6:09 a.m. that day. He intends to plead not guilty, Mr. Reinhardt's attorney, William Dow, said. We've had some preliminary investigation, and it appears there is a valid defense of the charges and we intend to pursue that. Mr. Reinhardt, who is also represented by attorney Mark Rembish, is scheduled to appear in Litchfield Superior Court Sept. 1. Judge Charles D. Gill sealed the arrest warrants in the three cases. All of the five criminal charges depict incidents that occurred in Washington, where the prestigious private boarding school is located. According to the charging documents, the state alleges that Mr. Reinhardt had sex with a student under 16 years of age on divers dates from April 2007 until June 2008, committing the crime of second-degree sexual assault. In a second case, the state alleges Mr. Reinhardt had sex with another student under the age of 16 between October 2007 and May 2009, charging him with second-degree sexual assault and risk of injury to a minor. The third case alleges Mr. Reinhardt committed fourth-degree sexual assault and risk of injury to a minor, by having sexual contact with a minor June 2, 2009. The State Police, which is continuing its investigation, stated that it initiated a criminal investigation in June after the parents of the student in the third case filed a complaint. The Washington resident state trooper began the investigation, which led to two more students coming forward and the issuance of three arrest warrants. The allegations demonstrate a complete abuse of power, Ms. Sonnemann said. Judge Gill ordered Mr. Reinhardt to surrender his passport and to stay away from students at The Gunnery. No general conditions were ordered about having contact with minors. Mr. Reinhardt, who was employed by the school for 13 years, as a chemistry teacher and crew coach, lived on the 220-acre Gunnery campus in a dormitory where he served as a dorm parent. His place was a hangout for kids, Attorney Susan K. Smith said. She represents one of the three complainants that reportedly came forward. Attorney Richard Kenny represents two others, she said. Private schools are fertile ground for pedophiles because children live on campus and have less contact with their parents, Ms. Smith said. We see predator
Re: g_b Fwd: ECOSOC resolution on AIDS: mentions Action Framework....!!?? [1...
I agree with you...but he may not agree with our definition.. In a message dated 7/27/2009 7:18:32 P.M. India Standard Time, blutfonta...@yahoo.co.in writes: To my mind, dear, he would just be being a businessman! Selling a commodity like all businessmen, do, even if the commodity is HIMSELF! --- On Sat, 25/7/09, myonepe...@aol.sat, 25/7/09, myonepe...@aol.myo wrote: From: myonepe...@aol.frommyonepe...@aol.myo Subject: Re: g_b Fwd: ECOSOC resolution on AIDS: mentions Action Framework...Subject: To: gay_bom...@yahoogroto: Date: Saturday, 25 July, 2009, 9:33 PM Would a married man...with children...who comes to Bangalore... puts on dresses like a woman...to have sex with men to make money to support his family in AP... be an MSM or a TG?? In a message dated 7/25/2009 6:29:45 P.M. India Standard Time, adit.b...@gmail. com writes: Hi Elisabeth, I do not have a lexicon. TG is the short of Transgender, which is the term used in both the Universal Access Doc, as well as the ECOSOC resolution. I am using their term here in all its import and meaning without imputing my own.. Best, Aditya B An Excellent Credit Score is 750. _See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www .freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd=JulyExcfooterN O62) Looking for local information? Find it on _Yahoo! Local_ (http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_local_1/*http://in.local.yahoo.com/) **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823322x1201398723/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62)
Re: g_b Fwd: ECOSOC resolution on AIDS: mentions Action Framework....!!?? [1...
Aditya - That is the problem...how can such a document be drafted without definitions...many or most of the people that I think they were meaning to cover by the term msm/tg...do not identify or define themselves as such.. To me it sounds like a term to place gay men and drag queens into one group...and even gays and queens have definite social differences that I hope will not cause unnecessary friction or failure for this project.. Elizabeth In a message dated 7/25/2009 10:51:56 P.M. India Standard Time, adit.b...@gmail.com writes: I would say both...?? What do you think..?? - Aditya B 2009/7/25 _myonepe...@aol.myo_ (mailto:myonepe...@aol.com) Would a married man...with children...who comes to Bangalore...Would a married man...with children...who comes to to make money to support his family in AP... be an MSM or a TG?? In a message dated 7/25/2009 6:29:45 P.M. India Standard Time, _adit.b...@gmail.adi_ (mailto:adit.b...@gmail.com) writes: Hi Elisabeth, I do not have a lexicon. TG is the short of Transgender, which is the term used in both the Universal Access Doc, as well as the ECOSOC resolution. I am using their term here in all its import and meaning without imputing my own.. Best, Aditya B An Excellent Credit Score is 750. _See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://ww w.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd=JulyExcfooter NO62) -- Do not print this mail unless really necessary. Save paper, save trees..!! If you loose your way while SCUBA diving, the safest direction to head for is UP..!!! **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221323048x1201367271/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62)
Re: g_b Fwd: ECOSOC resolution on AIDS: mentions Action Framework....!!?? [1 ...
Aditya - What does TG mean in your lexicon?? Elizabeth In a message dated 7/25/2009 2:17:52 P.M. India Standard Time, adit.b...@gmail.com writes: [_Attachment(s)_ (mip://05c7a0e0/default.html#TopText) from Aditya Bondyopadhyay included below] Hi All, Forwarding you the ECOSOC resolution which amongst other things states: Welcomes the promulgation of the “UNAIDS Action Framework: Universal Access for Men who have Sex with Men and Transgender People”, and the follow-up action that is already under way, and calls on UNAIDS and other partners to support further action and strengthen partnerships to address the political, social, legal and economic barriers to universal access, as part of the agreed Unified Budget and Workplan priorities Welcomes the promulgation of the “UNAIDS Action Framework: Universal Access for Men who have Sex with Men and Transgender People”, and the follow-up action that is already under way, and calls on UNAIDS and other partners to support further action and strengthen partnerships to address the political, social, legal and economic barriers to universal access, as part of the agreed Unified Budget and Workplan priorities Welcomes the promulgation of the “UNAIDS Action Framework: Universal Access for Men who have Sex with Men and Transgender People”, and the follow-up action that is already under way, and calls on UNAIDS and other partners to support further action and strengthen partnerships to address the political, social, legal and economic barriers to universal access, as part of the agreed Unified Budget and Workplan priorities Welcomes the promulgation of the “UNAIDS Action Framework: Universal Access for Men who have Sex with Men and Transgender People”, and the follow-up action that is already under way, and calls on UNAIDS and other partners to support further action and strengthen partnerships to address the political, social, legal and economic barriers to universal access, as part of the agreed Unified Budget and Workplan priorities This is welcome, as this action framework by itself is a good work that may progress the work of Universal Access to MSM/TG, which is sorely needed. But this does not take away from the fact that this 'Action Framework' is supposed to be a document created as a result of Resolution 7.2(2) of UNAIDS PCB taken in their meeting in April 2008, which had mandated to create a 'GENDER GUIDELINE' for MSM/TG (And not action framework on Universal access). It is interesting to note that even the word 'Gender' is used in this action framework only once in a contextually irrelevant fashion. While welcoming this resolution and the framework, I Again call on UNAIDS and UNDP to respect its mandate and: 1] Create an appropriate gender guidelines that is relevant to MSM/TG needs and wants. 2] Invest due resources commensurate with the needs of community consultations in a manner similar to the investments that they made while creating the gender guidelines for Women and Girls that also came about via that very same PCB resolution 7.2(2). 3] Involve the community meaningfully in consultations while creating the document on Gender Guidelines and not just a handful of supposed experts whose views may not always be reflective of the true needs and wants of the MSM/TG community. I repeat, there is a need for such a gender guideline, and UNDP/UNAIDS cannot write off their obligation to create the same, and/or to pass of this 'action framework' in lieu of such a gender guideline, when it has nothing whatsoever to do with gender. The community deserves better. Thank you and best regards, Aditya Bondyopadhyay -- Forwarded message -- From: John Fisher _j...@arc-internatiojohn@ar_ (mailto:j...@arc-international.net) Date: 24 Jul 2009 22:44 Hi all, The attached resolution was adopted by consensus today at the UN Economic and Social Council. Historically, the resolution welcomes the efforts of UNAIDS to advance universal access for men who have sex with men and transgender people (see, eg, para 20). This represents an exciting step forward for the ECOSOC, which in the past has refused to acknowledge the specific needs of MSM and other marginalised communities (an approach described by former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan as like putting your head in the sand.) It may also be the first UN resolution ever to reference the word transgender (but not the last!) Congratulations to those at UNAIDS who worked to make this happen! On Monday, the ECOSOC will vote on whether to grant UN consultative status to the Brasilian NGO ABGLT. Best wishes, John - John Fisher Co-Director, ARC International 62, rue de Vermont, #44 Geneva 1202 **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!
Re: g_b Fwd: ECOSOC resolution on AIDS: mentions Action Framework....!!?? [1 ...
I know.. I can see the Emerald Buddha from here.. In a message dated 7/25/2009 6:30:03 P.M. India Standard Time, joyce...@163.com writes: TG stands for Thai Airway International. 在2009-07-25，MyOnePenn在2009-07-25，MyO Aditya - What does TG mean in your lexicon?? Elizabeth In a message dated 7/25/2009 2:17:52 P.M. India Standard Time, adit.b...@gmail.in a messag Hi All, Forwarding you the ECOSOC resolution which amongst other things states: Welcomes the promulgation of the “UNAIDS Action Framework: Universal Access for Men who have Sex with Men and Transgender People”, and the follow-up action that is already under way, and calls on UNAIDS and other partners to support further action and strengthen partnerships to address the political, social, legal and economic barriers to universal access, as part of the agreed Unified Budget and Workplan priorities Welcomes the promulgation of the “UNAIDS Action Framework: Universal Access for Men who have Sex with Men and Transgender People”, and the follow-up action that is already under way, and calls on UNAIDS and other partners to support further action and strengthen partnerships to address the political, social, legal and economic barriers to universal access, as part of the agreed Unified Budget and Workplan priorities Welcomes the promulgation of the “UNAIDS Action Framework: Universal Access for Men who have Sex with Men and Transgender People”, and the follow-up action that is already under way, and calls on UNAIDS and other partners to support further action and strengthen partnerships to address the political, social, legal and economic barriers to universal access, as part of the agreed Unified Budget and Workplan priorities Welcomes the promulgation of the “UNAIDS Action Framework: Universal Access for Men who have Sex with Men and Transgender People”, and the follow-up action that is already under way, and calls on UNAIDS and other partners to support further action and strengthen partnerships to address the political, social, legal and economic barriers to universal access, as part of the agreed Unified Budget and Workplan priorities This is welcome, as this action framework by itself is a good work that may progress the work of Universal Access to MSM/TG, which is sorely needed. But this does not take away from the fact that this 'Action Framework' is supposed to be a document created as a result of Resolution 7.2(2) of UNAIDS PCB taken in their meeting in April 2008, which had mandated to create a 'GENDER GUIDELINE' for MSM/TG (And not action framework on Universal access). It is interesting to note that even the word 'Gender' is used in this action framework only once in a contextually irrelevant fashion. While welcoming this resolution and the framework, I Again call on UNAIDS and UNDP to respect its mandate and: 1] Create an appropriate gender guidelines that is relevant to MSM/TG needs and wants. 2] Invest due resources commensurate with the needs of community consultations in a manner similar to the investments that they made while creating the gender guidelines for Women and Girls that also came about via that very same PCB resolution 7.2(2). 3] Involve the community meaningfully in consultations while creating the document on Gender Guidelines and not just a handful of supposed experts whose views may not always be reflective of the true needs and wants of the MSM/TG community. I repeat, there is a need for such a gender guideline, and UNDP/UNAIDS cannot write off their obligation to create the same, and/or to pass of this 'action framework' in lieu of such a gender guideline, when it has nothing whatsoever to do with gender. The community deserves better. Thank you and best regards, Aditya Bondyopadhyay -- Forwarded message -- From: John Fisher _j...@arc-internatiojohn@ar_ (mailto:j...@arc-international.net) Date: 24 Jul 2009 22:44 Hi all, The attached resolution was adopted by consensus today at the UN Economic and Social Council. Historically, the resolution welcomes the efforts of UNAIDS to advance universal access for men who have sex with men and transgender people (see, eg, para 20). This represents an exciting step forward for the ECOSOC, which in the past has refused to acknowledge the specific needs of MSM and other marginalised communities (an approach described by former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan as like putting your head in the sand.) It may also be the first UN resolution ever to reference the word transgender (but not the last!) Congratulations to those at UNAIDS who worked to make this happen! On Monday, the ECOSOC will vote on whether to grant UN consultative status to the Brasilian NGO ABGLT. Best wishes, John - John Fisher Co-Director, ARC International 62, rue de
Re: g_b Fwd: ECOSOC resolution on AIDS: mentions Action Framework....!!?? [1...
Would a married man...with children...who comes to Bangalore...puts on dresses like a woman...to have sex with men to make money to support his family in AP... be an MSM or a TG?? In a message dated 7/25/2009 6:29:45 P.M. India Standard Time, adit.b...@gmail.com writes: Hi Elisabeth, I do not have a lexicon. TG is the short of Transgender, which is the term used in both the Universal Access Doc, as well as the ECOSOC resolution. I am using their term here in all its import and meaning without imputing my own.. Best, Aditya B **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62)
Re: g_b Fwd: tgeu liminalis press release: more than 200 murdered trans pe...
Aditya - Sadly...this report is meant to impress the mathematically disadvantaged.. In simple terms...their premise is like saying that...because Rita Joshi is in the Congress Party run by Rahul in UP...that her house was burnt down by Congress men.. Conspiracy theory...for the masses...is based upon 2nd Standard sums.. Actual trends are understandable through multidimensional calculus.. Throughout the world we can see the needless suffering...caused to the common man...by our mathematically deficient governments and activists...i.e. allocate thousands of crores to educate Indian children every year...and end up with a result of only a 12 out of 100 on the project.. Using the sums logic of this article...I think it would be appropriate to punish Rita Joshi...for burning down her own home...forget the CIB.. Elizabeth ..In a message dated 7/21/2009 9:14:10 P.M. India Standard Time, adit.b...@gmail.com writes: -- Forwarded message -- From: Carla LaGata _m...@zedat.fu-mana@zeda_ (mailto:m...@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Date: 2009/7/21 Subject: [tgeu-info] tgeu liminalis press release: more than 200 murdered trans persons... To: tgeu-i...@lists.to: tgeu-i_TGEU-research-TGEU-research-WTGEU-re_ (mailto:tgeu-research-netw...@yahoogroups.com) *** PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY *** TGEU Liminalis Press Release: Every 3rd day the murder of a trans person is reported: Trans Murder Monitoring Project reveals more than 200 reported murders of trans persons in the last 1 1/2 years In April 2009 the international NGO Transgender Europe (TGEU) in cooperation with the multilingual Online-Magazine Liminalis -- A Journal for Sex/Gender Emancipation and Resistance started a new project, the /Trans Murder Monitoring Project/, which focuses on systematically reporting murdered trans people on a worldwide scale. The very preliminary results of the first step of this project have revealed a total of 204 cases of reported murders of trans people world wide in the last 1 1/2 years. 121 cases of murdered trans people have been reported in 2008. From January to June 2009 already 83 cases of murdered trans people have been reported. Furthermore, the preliminary results show an increase in the number of reports of murdered trans people over the last years. Since the beginning of 2008 the murder of a trans person is reported every third day, on average. The cases have been reported from all six World regions: North America, Latin America, Europe, Africa, Asia, and Oceania. The majority of cases have been reported from Latin America and North America. On these continents the majority of cases have been reported from Brazil (59) and the U.S.A. (16) for 2008 and from Brazil (23), Venezuela (20), and Guatemala (10) for the first six months of 2009. Moreover, the preliminary results show a total of 11 murdered trans people reported for Colombia followed by 5 for Honduras and 4 for Mexico and Venezuela for 2008, and 6 for Mexico and 3 for Argentina, and the Dominican Republic for the first six months of 2009. In total 91 murders of trans people were reported in 11 Latin American countries in 2008, and 73 murders of trans people in 11 Latin American countries in the first six months of 2009. The reported murders of trans people in Latin America account for 75% and 88% of the world wide reported murders of trans people in 2008 and the first six months of 2009 respectively.In The preliminary results also reveal that murders of trans people have been reported in 5 European countries in 2008 (Germany, Italy, Portugal, Spain, and Turkey) and in 4 European countries (Russia, Serbia, Spain, Turkey) in the first six months of 2009. In Asia murders of trans people were reported for Iraq, Malaysia, and Singapore in 2008, and for India in the first six months of 2009. In Oceania murders of trans people were reported for Australia in 2008, and for New Zealand in the first six months of 2009. In total the preliminary results show reports of murdered trans people in 22 countries in 2008, and in 17 countries in the first six months of 2009. The preliminary results furthermore reveal some terrifying details on the nature of these crimes. The data shows that in 2008 six of the victims were minors and in the first six months of 2009 three minors were among the victims. One of these minors, 15 year-old Leticia King from Oxnard (USA), was shot twice in the head by a classmate in front of the whole class. Apart from these brutal murders, 5 of the reported murdered trans persons in 2008 were found tortured or dismembered, 2 were shot by retired policemen, and 3 were executed in police stations. 5 of the reported murdered trans persons were found tortured or dismembered
Re: g_b Melbourne any one...
Moderator - Why is this trash still being allowed to slip through your filter??.. Elizabeth == need to be careful. thanks for pointing out regards moderator
Re: g_b Why HIV patients are vulnerable to TB-TB control in India
'With this discovery, the researchers have taken an important first step toward the development of new treatments to help people with HIV to prevent or recover from TB infection. ' A very, very small 'first' step.. Possibly Gay Bombay could assist Mumbaikers...in changing their opinion of gay and variant people...by publicly assisting in programs to eradicate this TB problem from the whole population.. You know publicly...volunteer time or money.. TB Control in India - 2002 _http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/03/14/stories/2002031406131000.htm_ (http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/03/14/stories/2002031406131000.htm) Did we control the prevalence of the disease in 2005??...or am I lost in cyberspace.. Elizabeth In a message dated 7/1/2009 4:35:42 P.M. India Standard Time, modera...@gaybombay.in writes: (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/) (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-4723834,prtpage-1.cms) Why HIV patients are vulnerable to TB 1 Jul 2009, 1236 hrs IST, ANI Ending one of the biggest mysteries, Harvard scientists have found out why HIV patients are more susceptible to tuberculosis (TB) infection. In their study paper, a team of researchers led by Dr. Naimish Patel have described how HIV switches off the immune response to Mycobacterium tuberculosis. The researchers have detailed how HIV interferes with the cellular and molecular mechanisms used by the lungs to fight TB infection. With this discovery, the researchers have taken an important first step toward the development of new treatments to help people with HIV to prevent or recover from TB infection. HIV/TB co-infection is a critical global health problem, especially in developing countries. We hope that these findings will lead to further studies and possible new therapies for treating or preventing tuberculosis in HIV disease, said Patel. For their study, the researchers extracted immune cells called alveolar macrophages from the lungs of otherwise healthy, asymptomatic HIV-positive patients as well as from people who did not have HIV. In people who are HIV-positive, the macrophages have a decreased response to the TB bacterium when compared to people who did not have HIV. To know why this happens, the scientists examined lung specimens from the HIV-positive patients, and found increased levels of a molecule called IL-10. IL-10 elevated the amount of a protein called BCL-3 in alveolar macrophages, which in turn reduced their ability to ward off TB infection. HIV and TB represent two of the most significant health challenges in human history and the combination of the two infections is particularly devastating because HIV dramatically increases the severity of TB infection, said Dr. John Wherry, Deputy Editor of the Journal of Leukocyte Biology, He added: There are still many unknowns about how HIV reduces the ability of the body to combat other infections. This study sheds light on co-infection with HIV and TB, which up to this point, has perplexed scientists and physicians alike. The study has been published in the Journal of Leukocyte Biology. Email: _modera...@gaybombaymod_ (mailto:modera...@gaybombay.in) Web Sites: _www.gaybombay.ww_ (http://www.gaybombay.in/) _www.gaybombay.www._ (http://www.gaybombay.info/) _www.gayindia.www_ (http://www.gayindia.org/) E Groups: _http://groups.http://grohttp://grohttp:/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay) _http://groups.http://grouhttp://groups._ (http://groups.google.com/group/Gaybombay) GB Internet Radio _http://www.gaybombahttp://www.g_ (http://www.gaybombay.in/gbradio) Gaybombay breaking news and annoucements _http://labs.http://labhttp://labs.WBhttp://labhttp://la_ (http://labs.google.co.in/smschannels/subscribe/Gaybombay) Emergency Helpline number 9820565885 Orkut: _http://www.orkut.http://www.http://wwwhttp://wwhttp://w _ (http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community.aspx?cmm=22091955 ) Blogs: _http://gaybombay.http://gahtt_ (http://gaybombay.blogspot.com/) _http://gaybombay.http://gayhtt_ (http://gaybombay.wordpress.com/) Twitter _http://twitter.http://twitte_ (http://twitter.com/gaybombay) Facebook _facebook.com/facebook._ (http://www.facebook.com/gaybombay) **Dell Laptops: Huge Savings on Popular Laptops – Deals starting at $399(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222883570x1201497211/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D0) inline: image001.gifinline: image002.gif
g_b We are the world
MJ has transcended...the pettiness of the people who tortured him in life.. MJ left behind a better world...than MJ was born into.. We are the world _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0IweJ0g39Ifeature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0IweJ0g39Ifeature=related) _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmxT21uFRwM_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmxT21uFRwM) We are the lucky.. Let's try to make MJ proud of us.. Elizabeth **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585065x1201462786/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62)
Re: g_b FW: [GayBombay] New comment on shame on us.
Moderator - Blackmail is just one of the many costs of deceitfulness.. Honesty tends to give one a sense of self-respect...and...it can become just as addictive as dishonesty.. I hope this helps.. Elizabeth In a message dated 6/24/2009 11:14:03 A.M. India Standard Time, modera...@gaybombay.in writes: THIS IS BLACKMAIL!! Can someone please help us?? **Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood0004)
Re: g_b FW: [GayBombay] New comment on shame on us.
It was a forwarded email posted by the moderator.. If the moderator had sent me a poem by Tagore...by simple etiquette I would have responded to the moderator...as Tagore was in control of just the first two lives of the poem...everything leading up to Tagore's inspiration to write the poem...and the process of writing the poem...but not the life of the poem once it was out of the house and circulating .. Amar Sonar Bangla Ami tomai bhalo basi by Tagore _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LknudHKSWpIfeature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LknudHKSWpIfeature=related) Do you think the song is about gold or something else?? In a message dated 6/24/2009 4:46:50 P.M. India Standard Time, mktichn...@yahoo.com writes: what r u talking about? --- On Wed, 6/24/09, myonepe...@aol.wed, 6/24/09, myonepe...@aol.myo wrote: From: myonepe...@aol.frommyonepe...@aol.myo Subject: Re: g_b FW: [GayBombay] New comment on shame on us. To: gay_bom...@yahoogroto: Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 3:06 AM Moderator - Blackmail is just one of the many costs of deceitfulness. . Honesty tends to give one a sense of self-respect. ..and...it can become just as addictive as dishonesty.. I hope this helps.. Elizabeth In a message dated 6/24/2009 11:14:03 A.M. India Standard Time, modera...@gaybombay .in writes: THIS IS BLACKMAIL!! Can someone please help us?? Make your summer sizzle with _fast and easy recipes_ (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood0004) for the grill. **Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood0004)
Re: g_b Forbes: How Bill Gates Blew $258 million in India's HIV Corridor
After almost 5 years in India...I can vouch for much in this report.. The vast majority of externally funded HIV and sexual minority NGOs...whose books I have reviewed are frauds...a fact that any small time accountant could easily identify...and a fact well known by Indians...rich and poor, alike.. Additionally...many of these NGOs tend to be run by individuals...from the educated middle and upper classes and pseudo-communists...i.e. people who tend to be naturally attracted to the income streams...generated by the suffering of the poor and uneducated Indian.. I feel bad that the Gates Foundation...has found itself in such as situation.. But it might have been better to try to break the paradigm of suffering in India...than to expect riches to be used wisely or to end up in the right hands...without such a change.. Far more powerful systems than the Gates Foundation's Avahan have met their matches in India...the Moghuls, the Maharajas, the British.. What can I say.. Elizabeth In a message dated 6/13/2009 12:37:58 A.M. India Standard Time, adit.b...@gmail.com writes: _http://www.businesshttp://www.businhttp://www.buhttp://wwhttp://www.http:// www.buhttp://wwwhttp://www.buhttp:_ (http://www.business.in.com/article/cross-border/how-bill-gates-blew-$258-million-in-indias-hiv-corridor/852/0) The purpose was noble, the money generous. But the software mogul’s charity for HIV prevention in India has failed to make a lasting impact by Elizabeth Flock | Jun 5, 2009 O n a humid afternoon, former sex worker Fathima (name changed) welcomes a group of illiterate women — still in the trade and needing protection from HIV — into the Mukta clinic in Pune. As a “peer educator,” it’s her job to convey to them the message of safety. But the visitors shuffle tentatively as expensive-looking posters in English paper the walls around them. Why would a clinic serving illiterate visitors use more English than Indian languages? The answer lies in where that money comes from. The Pune clinic is part of a network one hundred-plus non-governmental organisations (NGOs) working under the umbrella of Avahan, India’s largest HIV prevention initiative. Avahan, or “call to action,” is a brain child of the world’s largest philanthropist: Bill Gates. Gates had announced the 10-year, $100-million initiative to stop the spread of HIV/AIDS in India during his much heralded visit to the country in November 2002. This was to be the largest of its kind for the Bill Melinda Gates Foundation. The timing couldn’t have been more appropriate. After nearly two decades of piecemeal efforts to counter HIV, India was hurtling towards an AIDS epidemic. Millions of poor people exposed themselves to the dreaded virus due to a lack of awareness. Government agencies and NGOs didn’t have the money to preach safety or treat the infected. Gates showed his seriousness by later raising the budget to $258 million. Seven years later, back at the Pune clinic, Fathima has counselled the women, given them the sheaths of safety and sent them back. It is time to worry about the future. The bad news is Avahan is ready to pack and go; and Fathima is set to lose her income. She doesn’t want to slip back into prostitution. At the age of 45, she doesn’t have much of a career there anyway. When it started on the ground in 2003, Avahan set for itself three goals: Arrest the spread of HIV/AIDS in India, expand the programme from the initial six states to across the nation, and develop a model that the government can adopt and sustain so that the project could be passed on to it. More than five years later, Avahan hasn’t achieved any of these goals. Doubtless, the initiative has made a dent into the HIV/AIDS problem, but the impact is marginal for a bill of $258 million. And now Avahan is leaving, handing over the reins to the government-run National AIDS Control Organisation (NACO), which doesn’t want to inherit it. It is too expensive for the budget-starved establishment that is as nimble as a sloth. If NACO takes over, it will try to prune the costs of the programme. Salaries for peer educators will go. A Five-Star Initiative When Gates Foundation got down to work in India, the priority was clear. It decided to hire the best minds in business to run its initiatives using sound principles of management. Avahan was ready to spend what it takes to get the best bosses and started its search at McKinsey, the consulting powerhouse. The recruiters zeroed in on Ashok Alexander, who had spent 17 years turning Indian businesses into global challengers. “They made me an offer I couldn’t refuse,” Alexander recalls, sitting at his plush office in New Delhi. “I liked the ambitious arch of the HIV/AIDS programme and it was a chance for me to do something new.” Soon, the 15-member team was in place. Ten of them had come from a
Re: g_b Police book 'gay' partner for cruelty to in-law??
Now I am not a lawyer...but for the benefit of gays and eunuchs...I would have Fernandes plead guilty to 498A...and then assess those so benefitted...to pay for the cost of his noble sacrifice.. This could be the 'precedential act'...that many are searching for in the dark.. Elizabeth In a message dated 6/11/2009 8:51:29 P.M. India Standard Time, modera...@gaybombay.in writes: Anand, has also been booked under section 498A of the IPC (cruelty against woman by relatives of husband), read with section 34 (common intention). “My client is not even the relative of the husband. How can he be charged under section 498A?” Fernandes’s counsel Avadhut Chimalkar said. “My client didn’t know that Anand was married.” Anand’s lawyer Vivek Kantawala said, “Section 498A is irrelevant in this case.” **Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0004)
Re: g_b Paedophile gang preyed on children of close friends
Asfan - I have nothing against this seedy pack of gentlemen being punished for their crimes.. But won't sending them to prison be like dying and going to heaven for this bunch.. I would recommend first fully castrating them...and then providing them to the other inmates in their respective prisons...I am sure somebody behind bars will find a good use for the guys.. Elizabeth In a message dated 5/8/2009 3:01:59 P.M. India Standard Time, asfa...@yahoo.com writes: From The Times May 8, 2009 Paedophile gang preyed on children of close friends (Lothian and Borders Police/PA) The men found guilty: (top left to right) Colin Slaven, Craig Boath, James Rennie, Neil Campbell, (bottom left to right) Ross Phillip Webber, John Patrick Murphy, John Milligan and Neil Strachan Mike Wade A paedophile gang that carried out a series of attacks on children and infants, including a three-month-A paedophile gang that carried out a series of attacks on children and infants, including a three-month-WBRol The abusers, including a respected youth leader — who had met Tony Blair and the Queen — a civil servant, a bank clerk and a Church of Scotland elder, were part of the largest paedophile network to have been dismantled in Scotland. The convictions were the culmination of an 18-month international police operation codenamed Algebra, which has identified a further 70 suspects in 16 regions of Britain and led to action against another 35 suspected child abusers. Police and the prosecution hailed the verdicts as an important advance in the fight against child sexual abuse. For the first time in Scottish legal history the Crown brought a case of conspiracy to participate in the commission of sexual offences. Advocate Depute Dorothy Bain, QC, asked for a full risk assessment for two members of the gang; Neil Strachan, who has previous convictions for child abuse, and James Rennie, a respected youth leader and gay rights campaigner who met Mr Blair and the Queen in the course of his work. The move would allow the court to impose an order for lifelong restriction, which would enable a judge to set a minimum sentence, and the men would be freed only when the parole board considered they were no longer a risk to the public. Lord Bannatyne, the judge, described the gang’s crimes as “utterly horrific”. The seven men and seven women of the jury sat through nine weeks of evidence, which presented a selection from a total of 125,000 still and video images shared among the eight men on trial, and a log of internet chatroom conversations revealing the extent to which child-sex abuse had engulfed their lives, These digital records detailed how Strachan and Rennie were able to breach relationships of trust formed with friends, procure and abuse their children, then invite their paedophile circle to assault the children too. Detective Inspector Stuart Hood, who led Operation Algebra, said that this breach of trust had been horrific and hugely significant, illustrating the plausibility which these serial sex offenders brought to their apparently normal lives. Rennie was able to abuse the three-month-Rennie was able to abuse the three-month-WBRold baby of close friends without them suspecting him. He gave the child presents, was allowed to change its nappies and babysat for the couple. It was only when police arrived with images of abuse that the couple In a statement issued last night the couple said: “For 15 years James Rennie seemed the closest of family friends, and . . . it would be fair to state that he was with us, appearing to give friendship and support, during the most difficult and vulnerable times in our lives. To subsequently learn that he abused our son, and invited others to do the same, has been devastating. As a family we have had to learn to live, and cope with, the effect these horrific events have had.” The parents of two children attacked by Strachan faced further heartache. Strachan is HIV positive and the children had to be tested for the virus. “The anguish I feel towards Mr Strachan is indescribable,” said the boys’ mother. “I feel that no matter what punishment given to Mr Strachan it will never be able to compensate for the hurt, devastation and great deal of stress brought to me and my family.” Detective Superintendent Allan Jones, of Lothian Borders Police, said that the case was one of the most challenging to be investigated by the force and “represented the largest paedophile network dismantled in Scotland”. “As the investigation unfolded it revealed a web of people who had a common interest in child sexual abuse. They made initial contact via the internet and used it to share vile imagery and discuss the abuse of children,” he said. He said of the abusers: “All led classic double lives.
Re: g_b Transsexual wins $500,000 lawsuit COURTESY HELEM
Sanjay - This is a great idea...500,000 dollars!! Get me all the details...and the lawyers' phone.. I've got a lot of friends in the US...who benefit from 500,000.. I just wish I was a bit younger.. Elizabeth In a message dated 4/30/2009 1:48:44 P.M. India Standard Time, sanjay_lulla2...@yahoo.com writes: Transsexual wins $500,000 lawsuit By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer Wednesday, April 29, 2009 _http://www.sfgate.http://www.shttp://www.shttp://www.shttp://www.sfgahttp:/ /www.htttsp=1_ (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/04/29/national/w074328D01.DTLtsp=1) (04-29) 08:00 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- A federal judge has awarded a former Army Special Forces commander nearly $500,000 because she was rejected from a job at the Library of Congress while transitioning from a man to a woman. Diane Schroer of Alexandria, Va., applied for the terrorism analyst job while she was still a man named David Schroer. He was offered the job, but the offer was pulled after he told a library official that he was having surgery to change his gender. U.S. District Judge James Robinson ruled Tuesday that Schroer was entitled to $491,190 in back pay and damages because of sex discrimination. The Library of Congress and the Justice Department argued unsuccessfully that discrimination because of transsexuality was not illegal sex discrimination under the Civil Rights Act. The American Civil Liberties Union had argued the case on Schroer's behalf. Paul Cates with the ACLU's Lesbian and Gay Rights Project said the ruling was significant because a federal judge said that discriminating against someone for changing genders is sex discrimination under federal law. Schroer is a former U.S. Army colonel who directed a classified group that tracked and targeted terrorists. Schroer retired in 2004 and worked briefly in the private sector before applying for the Congressional Research Service job at the Library of Congress. After being offered the job, Schroer had lunch with a Library of Congress official and explained the upcoming surgery. Schroer testified the official called the next day and said the position would not be a good fit. little prince-Sanjay N Lulla **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0003)
Re: g_b OFF TOPIC BUT VERY IMPORTANT TO READ -What is Swine Flu
Guy - Sounds like what many of us on this side of the digital divide...do everyday.. What can be done to help those on the other side of the digital divide...that I deal with everyday?? You know those without literacy, water, health science knowledge and of course computers?? And who cannot afford to stay at home?? Elizabeth In a message dated 4/30/2009 11:55:05 A.M. India Standard Time, andherig...@yahoo.com writes: Wash your hands repeatedly through the day with soap and water or with alcohol-based hand sanitizers Avoid touching you mouth, nose or eyes with your hands unless they've been washed When coughing, cough into a tissue and throw it in the garbage If you cough into your hand, wash your hands immediately Sanitize surfaces that may have come into contact with the virus If you become ill with flu-like symptoms, stay home **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0003)
Re: g_b Re: [Bombay-Dost] Solidarity for Celina
Vivek - Are you saying that Celina does not have a moderator for her websites?? Possibly...she should speak to Salman or Shilpa...about the ups and downs of being a public figure.. Elizabeth -Original Message- From: nitin.kar...@gmail.com To: Vivek R Anand avive...@gmail.com; gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com; gaybom...@yahoogroups.com; lgbt-in...@yahoogroups.com; khush-l...@yahoogroups.com; bombay-d...@yahoogroups.com; humsafard...@yahoogroups.com; info...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 2:47 pm Subject: g_b Re: [Bombay-Dost] Solidarity for Celina Celina Jaitly sent a message to the members of Celina calls for gay rights in india. Subject: A struggle with slight pain... Dear members of CCGR, Numerous intolerant and homophobic people have sent me abusive messages regarding my gay rights activism and launch of Bombay Dost on various websites including my own. It does not deter me from my cause but it saddens me that people have so much hatred not only towards sexual minorities but towards people who show them support. It is so unfortunate that people have not stopped their hatred against the gay community but have only learnt to mask it. My struggle has only just begin and i thank all those who stand by me in this human rights human dignity issue. There are critics for everything a celebrity does so must I stop living and listening to my heart ? happy to do this for all my gay friends Just stand by me. Celina On Apr 21, 2009 11:36am, Vivek R Anand avive...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friends, After the Bombay Dost launch at the Oxford Book Store on 16th April 2009, Celina Jaitley has been getting a lot of homophobic and abusive comments on her website www.mycelinajaitley.com and www.bollywoodhungama.com. The abuse is directed at her personally and she is being attacked for being supportive of the LGBT community. She says that she does not care and her activism will continue but it would be great if we as LGBT people could write on these websites and show our solidarity and support to one person who has dared to be with us and love us for being ourselves. Those who attended the Bombay Dost launch will agree that she is an extremely genuine and caring person. The websites are being cleaned up of the venom but our support will give her lot more strength and it is important for us to write positive messages on these websites to counter all the negativity that she is facing. The websites are: www.mycelinajaitley.com and www.bollywoodhungama.com Thanks and looking forward to everyone's support Vivek Anand CEO -The Humsafar Trust Advisory Board - Bombay Dost [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages BRPLEASE NOTE THAT THIS GROUP DOES NOT CARRY ADULT PICTURES OR LURID MATERIALBR BR Would you like to join? Email to gay_bombay-subscr...@yahoogroups.comBR BR Or center a href=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/join; img src=http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/yg/img/i/us/ui/join.gif; border=0 ? alt=Click here to join gay_bombaybrbClick to join gay_bombay/a /centerBR font color=996699BRGoogle? GroupBR BRhttp://groups.google.com/group/GaybombayBR BRPublic archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.htmlBR BRRss feed: http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com/maillist.xml BR BREmail: modera...@gaybombay.inBR BRWeb Sites:BR BRwww.gaybombay.inBR; BRwww.gaybombay.infoBR; BRwww.gayindia.orgBR; BRE Groups:BR BRhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombayBR BRhttp://groups.google.com/group/GaybombayBR BROrkut:BR BRhttp://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community.aspx?cmm=22091955BR BRBlogs:BR BRhttp://gaybombay.blogspot.comBR BRhttp://gaybombay.wordpress.comBR BRTwitterBR BRhttp://twitter.com/gaybombayBRfont color=996699 MARKETPLACE I'm happy I lost my Job. Now I make $12,000/mo online! See how I do it: WealthResource.org. Mom Power: Discover the community of moms doing more for their families, for the world and for each other Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 48 New Members Visit Your Group Yahoo! Groups Mom Power Find wholesome recipes and more. Go Moms Go! Yahoo! Groups Stay healthy and discover other people who can help. Get in Shape on Yahoo! Groups Find a buddy and lose weight.
Re: g_b Ashok Row Kavi says Gender Politics preventing Eunuchs from Voting
Aditya - There is who you are...and...what other people think you are.. My chelas all have voters IDs...and hopefully all of them will vote.. In India...there are no?districts that require?people to be of solely one specified gender...to vote.. So...I would recommend all eunuchs to vote...no matter what they think that other people and organizations?think they are.. It is the vote that counts.. Elizabeth -Original Message- From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay adit.b...@gmail.com Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 5:04 pm Subject: g_b Ashok Row Kavi says Gender Politics preventing Eunuchs from Voting http://www.sott.net/articles/show/182232-India-Eunuchs-avoid-polls-over-third-sex-dilemma ? India - Eunuchs avoid polls over 'third sex' dilemma NineMSN Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:24 UTC ? India's one million eunuchs face a unique dilemma every election season - do they stand in the men's or women's queue at polling stations or stay away altogether? In the past, eunuchs - the term used for cross-dressers, pre- and post-operative transsexuals known here as hijras - have largely abstained from casting their ballots because they are unwilling to identify themselves as male or female on voter registration forms. While some eunuchs do vote by listing themselves as female, many are pushing for an alternative or third sex option on identity cards, after being granted the franchise in 1994. Laxmi Narayan Tripathi, a prominent eunuch activist and founder of NGO Astitva, which works with sexual minorities, has never voted and refuses to do so until there is a transgender option on identity cards. It's the question of the identity of our whole community, she said. In spite of so many years of independence we haven't got our own identity, our own place in the constitution of India. Most eunuchs live on the outer fringes of society, ostracized and excluded from decent job opportunities and reduced to begging at traffic junctions in major cities or working in the sex trade. Despite the stigma surrounding them, a campaign to recognise eunuchs as a third sex has yielded some results. They can now write E for eunuch on passports and on certain government forms, but the quest for acceptance at the ballot box - where they have to identify themselves as male or female - still eludes them in culturally conservative India. There has been quite a bit of progress so structurally the only thing that comes in is gender politics, said Ashok Row Kavi, chairman of the Humsafar Trust, a male sexual health NGO. Eunuchs who want to contest in elections for greater rights have come up against similar problems, even though several have been elected to public office as women. Last month India's election commission denied three eunuchs in the eastern state of Orissa permission to run as candidates unless they identified themselves as male or female. Pratap Sahu, president of the All-Orissa Eunuchs Association, which fielded the candidates, said the unsuccessful bid had been a form of protest against election authorities. We wanted to fight the election on the third sex issue. In India nobody has fought for this, he said. The relatively small number of eunuchs, compared to other minority groups, means it is unlikely that any party deems them a priority vote bank, said Anil Bairwal, national coordinator for the Association of Democratic Reforms. Whether it will be taken up or not - as far as our political parties are concerned, the only language they understand is the language of numbers, he said. Month-long general elections in the world's largest democracy began on Thursday, with the last of five phases taking place on May 13. Results are expected May 16. Agency France-Presse ? ? ? ? Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages BRPLEASE NOTE THAT THIS GROUP DOES NOT CARRY ADULT PICTURES OR LURID MATERIALBR BR Would you like to join? Email to gay_bombay-subscr...@yahoogroups.comBR BR Or center a href=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/join; img src=http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/yg/img/i/us/ui/join.gif; border=0 ? alt=Click here to join gay_bombaybrbClick to join gay_bombay/a /centerBR font color=996699BRGoogle? GroupBR BRhttp://groups.google.com/group/GaybombayBR BRPublic archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.htmlBR BRRss feed: http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com/maillist.xml BR BREmail: modera...@gaybombay.inBR BRWeb Sites:BR BRwww.gaybombay.inBR; BRwww.gaybombay.infoBR; BRwww.gayindia.orgBR; BRE Groups:BR BRhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombayBR BRhttp://groups.google.com/group/GaybombayBR BROrkut:BR BRhttp://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community.aspx?cmm=22091955BR BRBlogs:BR BRhttp://gaybombay.blogspot.comBR BRhttp://gaybombay.wordpress.comBR BRTwitterBR BRhttp://twitter.com/gaybombayBRfont color=996699 MARKETPLACE I'm happy I lost my
g_b Vivekananda in Chicago
It is great to hear Vivekananda's voice.. I hope his words and spirit are meaningful to others in the group..as well.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxUzKoIt5aM? Elizabeth You are invited to Get a Free AOL Email ID. - http://webmail.aol.in
Re: g_b Iran is safe for gays/bi
As concerns transgender matters...I agree with you whole heartedly.. Iran's interpretation of Islam has created a legal and respected place for transsexuals.. I only wish that I could feel safer...as an engreezi walli...in traveling to see my friends in Iran.. Elizabeth -Original Message- From: arya rez re...@yahoo.com To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:19 pm Subject: Re: g_b Iran is safe for gays/bi i agree with you,are right its plain crap wriiten,indeed gay n bi are alive kicking hard in iran,india all the places of the world,so all this pseduo crap that gays are a extint breed is pure bull. reza. redondo beach,ca. From: mehrdad forouhar mehrdad642...@yahoo.com To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 12:43:46 AM Subject: g_b Iran is safe for gays/bi ?we are all gays and bi`s ..we are stiil alive as we do it hidden and in closet and not in the shape pf rape..when gay sex is with mutual censent,and in private places..home or any indoor places...there is nothing wrong with it and no danger ...be sure about it..and do not write such lies... Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages BRPLEASE NOTE THAT THIS GROUP DOES NOT CARRY ADULT PICTURES OR LURID MATERIALBR BR Would you like to join? Email to gay_bombay-subscr...@yahoogroups.comBR BR Or center a href=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/join; img src=http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/yg/img/i/us/ui/join.gif; border=0 ? alt=Click here to join gay_bombaybrbClick to join gay_bombay/a /centerBR font color=996699BRGoogle? GroupBR BRhttp://groups.google.com/group/GaybombayBR BRPublic archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.htmlBR BRRss feed: http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com/maillist.xml BR BREmail: modera...@gaybombay.inBR BRWeb Sites:BR BRwww.gaybombay.inBR; BRwww.gaybombay.infoBR; BRwww.gayindia.orgBR; BRE Groups:BR BRhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombayBR BRhttp://groups.google.com/group/GaybombayBR BROrkut:BR BRhttp://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community.aspx?cmm=22091955BR BRBlogs:BR BRhttp://gaybombay.blogspot.comBR BRhttp://gaybombay.wordpress.comBR BRTwitterBR BRhttp://twitter.com/gaybombayBRfont color=996699 Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 31 New Members Visit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others.
Re: g_b Gays in India share fear of blackmail, unhappy marriages
Asfan, Aditya All - After all your fine definitions of aquatic life...I decide to google 'Aretha Franklin'...my queen of soul (and fried catfish)...along with the word 'sole'... _http://jezebel.com/5039952/aretha-franklin-is-the-queen-of-luxury-sole#viewcomments_ (http://jezebel.com/5039952/aretha-franklin-is-the-queen-of-luxury-sole#viewcomments) .. And heavens above...talk about atma, baby...there it was...a pic of my deceased Indian kalaguru...dressed in western garb.. Aditya - pics only show the material world...is it possible that Ashok Guru has reincarnated in his chela...Gohil?? Have you seen Ashok in 3D recently?? My, my!!...and I thought the monkey man of Hoskote was awe inspiring.. Wonders never cease!! Elizabeth **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)
Re: g_b Re: Ex Indian Prince trawls British bars and clubs for soulmate
In a message dated 12/28/2008 10:36:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, adit.b...@gmail.com writes: Hey, you are talking of a person who has given up his entire property, every penny to his name, to his praja and to the queeer movement. He epitomises the Gandhian principles of simple living and high thinking. What were you expecting, a Madhav Rao Scindhia act??? Or something ostentation on the lines of contemporary royalty like Mayawati..?? Think before you talk, man...!!! Aditya - Not knowing the particulars of Indian Royal Law...but from what I understood is that he could neither be disinherited...nor had he renounced the throne of Rajpipla.. i.e. the articles on his impoverishment are probably just another case of journalistic fantasy.. what bothers me though is his transformation into a media character...it would have been incredible to have a stable alternative lifestyle mentor at this time of confusion.. Elizabeth **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0025)
Re: g_b The last castrato: Moreschi: the Angel of Rome
Asfan - If Bejun Mehta shows up on my doorstep any day...I will immediately take Bejun to Mumbai...and have a writ placed on Bejun.. My chelas are transfixed by Bejun.. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyEcwtgESs_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyEcwtgESs) Upon my passing they would be honoured to follow Bejun.. Thank you for such a wonderful introduction...I will herewith remove my bandh against western classical music.. Elizabeth In a message dated 12/11/2008 12:07:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, asfa...@yahoo.com writes: Liz, Perhaps you may be aware that modern day singers who sound like contraltos are called counter-tenors. No, they are NOT castrated and very often sport beards and moustaches to prove that! The best-known today are David Daniels (gay), Paul Bowman and a Parsi - Bejon Mehta. The latter is a relative of Zubin Mehta, the conductor. I had the pleasure of hearing the former in the flesh in London. What a voice! Asfan. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010)
Re: g_b The last castrato: Moreschi: the Angel of Rome
In a message dated 12/9/2008 10:26:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for lettingme know. I will try and look it up and if possible in my next trip to Bangkok get a pirated copy. :-) BTW one reason why I posted the article was also because I was kind of fascinated by the similarity with Hijras (I know the differences are stark too...). The fact that music, often devotional was the reason for castration..BTW one rea best, Aditya B Aditya Possibly if we could catch them sooner...we could have some singers to put Asha and Lata to shame.. But in India it is illegal to castrate before 18 without a parents permission...and most already cannot keep a tune...no less modulate...in falsetto or high soprano...at that age.. In Bangkok and US drag bars most of the kathoey singers lip-synch...like most movie stars in India.. Though probably not castrated...Michael Jackson remains my favorite...kathoey real singer and dancer.. Elizabeth **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010)
Re: g_b The last castrato: Moreschi: the Angel of Rome
Asfan - Thank you for the elucidation...I now have both a book and a DVD to order from Amazon.. _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farinelli_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farinelli) Elizabeth In a message dated 12/9/2008 7:38:01 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Elizabeth, The film is on Farinelli, not Moreschi. Asfan. --- On Mon, 8/12/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 8/1[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: g_b The last castrato: Moreschi: the Angel of Rome To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Date: Monday, 8 December, 2008, 8:24 PM Aditya - There is also a movie on him that I have been told is wonderful... .though I have never seen it myself.. Elizabeth **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010)
Re: g_b The last castrato: Moreschi: the Angel of Rome
Aditya - There is also a movie on him that I have been told is wonderfulthough I have never seen it myself.. Elizabeth **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010)
g_b TUESDAE -Gay Calif and 377
In light of Obama's resounding mandate for faith and hope through out not just the United States but the world at large.. It is worth reflecting on the failure of the gay marriage referendum...in a state that gave an incredible victory to the ultimate outsider presidential candidate...and is a married man who unabashedly supports gay rights, as well.. How did gay marriage slip off the plate??...and is it possible that the current drivers of the 377 challenge might be steering gay rights off an abyss in India, as well?? Elizabeth .. Lawsuits to challenge California gay marriage ban 6 hours ago LOS ANGELES (AFP) — California's vote to ban same-sex marriages in a referendum will be contested by activists and city officials who have lodged multiple legal challenges to the ballot, officials said Thursday. In a stunning result, voters approved a proposal added to ballot papers in Tuesday's presidential election which amended the state constitution to say that only marriages between men and women are recognized in California. Voters approved the constitutional amendment by a margin of 52.5 to 47.5 percent, according to near-complete results. The decision came only six months after California's Supreme Court overturned a previous ban on same-sex marriage, paving the way for thousands of gay and lesbian couples to tie the knot in the state. However opponents of same-sex marriage successfully gathered enough support for an amendment to be added to the November 4 election which sought to override the California Supreme Court decision. Now activists and city officials in Los Angeles and San Francisco are vowing to return to the California Supreme Court, arguing that the vote -- known as Proposition 8 -- represented a sweeping revision of the constitution and was more far-reaching than a simple amendment. A major purpose of the constitution is to protect minorities from majorities, said Elizabeth Gill, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), one of the rights groups fighting the ban. Because changing that principle is a fundamental change to the organizing principles of the constitution itself, only the legislature can initiate such revisions to the constitution. Challenges have been filed by the ACLU, the National Center for Lesbian Rights and Lambda Legal while San Francisco, Los Angeles and Santa Clara have sued in a joint bid. Equal protection of the laws is not merely the cornerstone of the California Constitution, it is what separates constitutional democracy from mob rule tyranny, San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera said in a statement. Another lawsuit has been filed by Los Angeles lawyer Gloria Allred on behalf of the lesbian couple whose legal fight initially led to May's Supreme Court decision to overturn a previous ban. The legal status of thousands of same-sex couples who have wed since June remains unclear although state officials have insisted that the marriages will remain valid. The marriage ban sparked angry protests in California on Wednesday, with thousands taking to the streets in Los Angeles to condemn the ban. Angry crowds thronged the streets in central West Hollywood, the heart of Los Angeles' gay community, chanting slogans and waving signs. On Thursday hundreds of protesters gathered outside the Los Angeles Mormon Temple in the Westwood neighborhood, accusing the church of bankrolling opposition to same-sex marriage. No one's religious beliefs should be used to deny fundamental rights to others, said Lorri Jean chief of the Los Angeles Gay Lesbian Center. ``Our civil rights are inalienable. Jean accused Mormons of contributing more than 15 million dollars to fund the campaign aimed at securing passage of Tuesday's referendum. It is a travesty that the Mormon Church bought this election and used a campaign of lies and deception to manipulate voters Jean said. They're entitled to their beliefs, but not to impose them upon the constitution or laws of California. **AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear0001)
Re: g_b Why do men have nipples?
While I have not followed the responses to this article...I should point out that...though not as productive as female mammary glands...most males mammary glands are capable of producing milk...i.e.the nipples are not merely vestigal obsolescent objects...they are functioning integral pars of the body... Just because many people are unable to use their nose muscles to expand their nostrils...does not make certain nose muscles vestigal...just unused.. Elizabeth **New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew0002)
Re: g_b 17 year old Mumbai guy commits suicide was gay and felt lonely - aditya
In a message dated 9/19/2008 11:01:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The scary bit is really the fact that we can not do much and/or choose not to do much with younger teens because of that bogey of Gay=Pedophilia crap that we all have had to live with and negotiate around. Even GB does not allow anyone below 18. Sad and True - Aditya B Aditya - If a person or organization takes all the proper precautions to safe guard the minor from sexual abuse...there are almost no cases of pedophilia.. But where people do a sloppy job of monitoring the counselors and mentors...it is very easy for unfortunate situations to occur.. GB by putting the age limit at 18...is merely trying to cover its and yahoo's asses should they get sued...I am sure that many underaged people have had contact with GB over the years.. The internet is almost impossible to make pedophilia safe...but if GB wished to counsel and mentor young variant children in the real worldand do it safelyall they would need to do is find the 'right' people to do the work...and to then put in place an exacting monitoring system to track the youths and adults to keep either from straying into unfortunate situations.. Speak with the loony doctors, medical doctors, police and schools...and in no time flat I am sure you can put together a better youth program than Rainbow Alley in Denver.. But remember do not be sloppy and careless...it only takes one unfortunate situation to sink the program.. Elizabeth **Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall0001)
Re: g_b Who are real Aravanis?
Dinesh - Your problem is a simple one...you feel that some how the private lives of hijras should be regulated by the government...and that there is no difference between a hijra and a western style transgendered person.. Possibly, you are very wrong.. If you wish to record the two types of people separately...you might have greater success without hurting the feelings of individuals on either side.. The Tamil Nadu government is sophisticated enough to differentiate between palm and sandalwood...and these trees are not even capable of speaking for themselves.. Dinesh...which of these types of people are you?? Elizabeth In a message dated 9/19/2008 11:30:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Denial of identity card for Aravanis in male attire and lives in biological family Tamilnadu Aravanis welfare board - is formed recently by the state ministry of social welfare to take care of the welfare activities of Aravanis in Tamilnadu. The first initiative of the board is to take census of Aravanis and provide identity card with sex column as Thiru-nanagi [New identity proposed by Trans-gender activists]. Also this, baseline data would help to take evidence based decisions in future activities of the board. As per the plan, the board has started to enroll the names of Aravanis in some district collector offices. Reportedly, this registration process might goes up to the end this month (September). In this process, the board seeks the help of Nayaks [Leaders of Aravanis community] to recommend/ acknowledge the persons coming for registration as Aravani. Also, the government officials who are in this process have given complete freedom to Nayaks to select or reject as they like. With this background, Susi kumar [name changed], a self-identified Aravani from the upper middle class family visited the collector office to enroll her name. During the enrollment, she was verbally abused by the Nayak for not affiliated to jamath [Association of Aravanis], not done emasculation, and not in female attire. Even though she gave many valid excuses and tried badly to prove her choice of gender identity as Thiru-nangai, all her efforts went in vain. Finally, she was rejected by the Nayak and labeled as non-Aravani. She also had to beg the government officials by showing all her female attire photographs that she had taken in private. But, the government officials were also seems to be helpless as they wanted green signal from the Nayak. Susi kumar, unlike other Aravanis, lives in family and in male attire. When she explaining the importance of the identity card for her: I live in my family. As I love my mother and family, I don't wish to leave them and join with Aravanis community. Recently, my mother, my only hope in life also passed away. My brothers often abuse me verbally and sometimes physically. My neighbors also often mimic me for my feminine mannerism. As I don't have any emotional support, they [family members] might send me out of family at any time. My brothers are very curious about my family property. This identity card would help me to seek the support of police and lawyers incase of any such issues. When the Nayak of the district was asked the reason for rejecting Susi Kumar, she raised her concern that - only those Aravanis like her who comes out of family, and live in female attire faces many issues in life but Aravanis living in family do not face such problems. She added that, if they enroll persons based on the self -identity, all males would come and get the benefits given to Aravanis. Gayathri [name changed], a Trans-gender activist also extended her voice in support of Susi kumar. According to her, the self identity of an individual should be respected without giving importance to physical attire and emasculation status etc. She said that, often this kind of lack of acceptance within the community for invisible Aravanis who lives in family forces them to choose sex reassignment surgery and come out of family. And, finally the lack of any support systems forces them in to full time sex work. Thus, sex work poses them and their clients in to HIV risk. She also added that, often kothis [this identity refers both who lives in female and male attire] face verbal abuse, violence and sexual harassment at many places out of their feminine mannerism. This kind of initiative would help them at large to take legal actions against such human rights violations. Amoka [name changed], a queer activist who work for HIV based NGOs shared her concern in this regard. In her words: Each one's individual identity should be respected. We always blame the society for stigmatizing us based on some social constructions and judgments. But, this is also the self stigma with the community. Also, no non-Aravani will misuse the opportunity as the excuse given
Re: g_b Nigah holds fest to celebrate third sex in Delh .we are all free- Aditya
Now Aditya Dear - I do not think there is probably anything wrong with what this fine person was thinking...we are all free to have our thoughts.. Either our eminent moderator has posted something out of context.. Or possibly the writer is not adept in expressing him/her/tri self in a written format.. I have all sorts of scenarios that I could layout to explain what I think someone was trying to say to others.. I will give you one of my interpretations...but of course I am sure that I am either totally wrong or partially 'in error'.. And this does not in anyway negate the fact that I am not totally in support of the ideas found in my interpretation of the jumbled prose.. My Interpretation of Nigah holds fest to celebrate third sex in Delh First off I think Nigah is in Delhi...and that it is probably an organization of middle class youth fulminating about their inabilities of gaining access to a program that provides PhDs in Marxist Philosophy.. Secondly, I do not think they are espousing hetero or homo or even traditional Indian eunuch family styles and substance...but are trying to promote a transient 'do as one pleases' TG-homo-countercultural lifestyle that has been developed in Europe and the Americas over the last 40 years.. A lifestyle that appears to be very much appreciated by many of the boys in GayBombay...but without the tag of TG attached to it...you know GB is MSM not TG...no matter what position a person may find themself in in life.. My Reservation It appears to me that for any idea to flourish it must be an integral part of a successful and strong community.. Heteros, discrete homos and almost invisible hijra/eunuchs have been stable and often very successful members of Indian society for thousands of years.. Outlandish TG-counterculturalists (third sex??? in the Nigah posting???) have always existed in small number...but very seldom except for those in transient individual styles...which unless that individual is a ruler or social leader have very little good or bad effect upon the overall social culture of Hindusthan.. We all see weirdos on the street everyday...some well educated and living at home with mom and dad...and some sleeping in their own vomit on the roadside...but generally would you say are these people mentors or meteors??.. Aditya...where are you tomorrow night??? Rupa is with me in Denver for my annual visit and we are providing a full fledged Bengali dinner to many 'Nigah'-Type TG friends at my home...ending of course with Rupa's inimitable Malpoa.. Best.. Elizabeth In a message dated 8/23/2008 11:29:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3rd Sex??? Well I am homosexual and all that rest, but 3rd sex..!!?? What utter poppycock...3rd Please tell the author that I'm the 666th sex if anything at all!!! Best, Aditya B 2008/8/23 gay_bombay moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Nigah holds fest to celebrate third sex in Delhi Third sex community has been trying to gain social acceptance in India. There exist many organisations working for legalising their sexual orientations. Nigah, one such group, has held a 10-day fest in Delhi to celebrate queer identities. CJ: Amy Mookerji , 59 minutes agoViews:32 Comments:0 THE THIRD sex community (that of homosexuals, lesbians etc) seems to be a courageous fraternity nowadays. Their empowerment goes back to the gay liberation movement which started during the 1960s. Today, their strength is no more miniscule. Their movement has become vocal and assertive in gaining better treatment in the society. They are referred to as 'queer communities'. Queerness is reflected in their thinking, their perspective towards life and their introduction of pseudo family system. There are organisations at present which have come together to work among these queer communities giving them a platform to showcase their talents to put forward their views and to make their queer bond stronger. 'Nigah' is one such group of queers. Following the success of its inaugural festival in 2007, it is back with the 'Nigah Queer Fest 2008' as Delhi's annual ten-day celebration of queerness. Started around August 11, the date of the first queer protest in Delhi 16 years ago, the 2008 festival includes an international film festival, a photo exhibition, interactive workshops and new publications. Collaborating with Max Mueller, they organised the photo exhibition 'Queer families, portraits and kinships' on August 12. This was organised with a motive to surpass knowledge, cultural production and social change among the like-minded people. Talking to one of the performers at the festival, 24-year-old Kama Maureemootoo, was interesting. He is a student, an amateur, but a passionate dancer. He was quite open and natural about his queerness since his
Re: g_b Re:Hi Guys,- Riki Tiki Tavi anyone??
re: Sagazij and Re.Hi Guys The web is both a very confusing and honest place to air ones views and try to understand ourselves and others.. It is always better to treat a possible cobra with caution...but one should never be too paralyzed to make their thoughts known because of their lack of knowledge...and nobody should be paralyzed from making a statement before passing it through a committee of 'mediocre political correctness'.. Just communicate...and let the chips fall where they may...this group...obviously...reveres both the king cobras and the simple mongoose.. Elizabeth In a message dated 8/9/2008 12:39:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: seriously Aditya and Asfan why do you two have to make fun of a person?.seriously Aditya and Asfan why do you two have to maseriously Aditya and Asfan why do you two have to make fun of a person?.WBR. not everyone is really weseriously Aditya and Asfan why do you two have to make fun of a personseriously Aditya and Asfan why do you two have to make fun of a person?.WBR. not everyone is really well seriously Aditya and Asfan why do serio **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 )
Re: g_b TOI: Sans females, men go gay in Mehsana
I always find that statistics are hard to swallow and impossible to digest. The only one I can ever remember is that if all the people who go to sleep in church were laid end to end they would be a lot more comfortable. ~Mrs. Robert A. Taft **Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus0005000112)
Re: g_b WB man changes sex to marry partner, gets ditched
Great story...I will forward it to the National Enquirer...I am sure they will publish it with all the relevant pictures and diagrams...or is Oprah more appropriate as she has done the 'pregnant man' already?? **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507)
Re: g_b Fwd: Indian Parliamentary panel unhappy with under-utilisation of fun...
Aditya - The mis-use and non-use of allocated government funds exists in a massive scale throughout India.. Those at risk for and from HIV should not take it more personally than the handicapped or farmers.. Hopefully...one day the Indian government will be able to track the utilization of every rupee on a minute by minute basis...as we can today in business with relatively simple accounting programs such as 'Quickbooks'.. but alas...for now...for some reason unknown to me...the vast majority of Indians...irrespective of sexual or gender orientation...have been not just kept on the wrong side of the digital divide...but allowed to remain functionally illiterate as well.. Elizabeth **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507)
Re: g_b Gay Murder In Calcutta/News Reports
All gory details aside...this is sadly a very common occurrence...for lost or confused trans, straight and gay folks...and it has been especially common over the last 20 years...around the globe...because of the advent of the internet...and the easy access of cyber-ghosts to risk-takers.. I would recommend that warning labels...similar to those for cigarettes and narcotics...be included with all posts on web-sites that might have malicious cyber-ghosts as part of their membership.. It takes more than one cigarette to kill you...but you can be eliminated on your first date with a cyber-ghost.. Elizabeth g_b post... Telegraph: 18/2/2008 Websites led sleuths to murder trail A STAFF REPORTER Rakesh Gupta's computer usage was the key The hard disk of Rakesh Gupta's computer led sleuths to his murder trail. The data stored in the disk revealed that the 40-year-old company secretary had homosexual tendencies. **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598)
Re: g_b On the Treatment of Transsexual Children
Moderator - Everyone is who they pretend to be...nobody is born with a direct path to become Shah Rukh Khan...he pretended to be himself so much that eventually the world fell at his feet in awe of him.. All of us trans, straight and gay do the same in our search for stability and an identity.. Sadly...your article falls into the current western misconception that we are women born into mens' bodies...an idea that was created against all scientific facts to permit psychiatrists the right to prescribe hormones and sexual reassignment surgery...the idea worked well and western TGs got access to those therapies that would help them fill their personal needs for identity in the primarily Adam and Eve structured western world...therapies that were previously illegal.. Nowadays many of the more sophisticated among us are embarrassed by the image we painted of ourselves 30 years ago and the negative feedback that our younger siblings are now suffering from because of it..as outlined in your article.. Can you imagine a 57 year old successful western professional giving up a cushy life in the US...and becoming a successful and well respected hijra.. There is a level of honesty and sanity in the thousands of years old hijra culture that the 30 year old western TS culture cannot hope to approach...at least not in my lifetime.. Thus I recommend all Indians who wish to be TGs to study in detail hijra culture...and to model themselves after the great gurus, nyaks and individuals...and then if that is not their cup of tea to emigrate to a country that more closely reflects their chosen perception of themselves... As I have...I just hope that India, Bangladesh and Pakistan remain happy enough to keep me and my perception of myself till I die.. Best.. Elizabeth **The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp0030002565)
Re: g_b Interesting item -Magnets in underpants...underpants??
Asfan - As most people I stay with do not wear underpants...do you think if the magnets were placed in their bras it would help them increase their bust sizes?? Asfan you are as always a veritable source of heartfelt wisdom.. Love.. Elizabeth **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48)
Re: g_b Gay + Jainism
Bunny - Jainism in its highest form is a very ascetic way of life.. It stresses individual spiritual development...and does not condemn others who do not follow a particular party line.. i.e. if you have, meditated in depth upon everything in and out of life in the fullest sense...and you have logically come to the determination that you are currently the spirit of a bunny rabbit in a human form...then nobody I know would frown upon you...the same goes for self-determining an interim sexual identity.. But remember that the perfect goal in life is to transcend both the material world and your own material existence...so unless you can logically construct a non-material existence as a homosexual...your spirit in this life may fall short of Enlightenment or Kevala-jnana.. It is all up to you...study...and reflect upon everything.. Love.. Elizabeth In a message dated 12/11/2007 9:43:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Anyone here aware of what Jainism views towards being gay. Wanted to know for knowledge. Bunny **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
Re: g_b Anger Management
In a message dated 11/27/2007 9:30:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sometimes when you are angry withe someone, it helps to sit down, and think over the problem. And always remember...that when you want to vent steam at one of your GB mates...you need to do it in a controlled manner that the moderator finds appropriate.. The best bursts are always full force and unrestrictedly honest...but this is a website not a freedom forum.. So if you want to tell somebody... that they can eat toe jam on toast for all you care...follow the moderator's rules...always, Always, ALWAYS!...you - Sincerely.. (name deleted to protect the unmanageable) **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
Re: g_b Hijras or Human- Delete previous erroneous post by me
In a message dated 9/12/2007 7:43:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Elizabeth, I really wish that if even 25% of the world thinks like u... it would be a grate place to stay in. I am really happy to see some of the ppl reply on this subject. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: g_b Hijras or Human
When watching this You Tube it is important to look first at the film makers and then the audience that the film maker is addressing.. These are generally middle class, well educated people suffering from all the problems associated with being at least moderately secure in ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: g_b Hijras or Human- Delete previous erroneous post by me
When watching this You Tube it is important to look first at the film makers and then the audience that the film maker is addressing.. These are generally middle class, well educated people suffering from all the problems associated with being at least moderately secure in their material existences and reasonably self-assured through their acquired knowledge.. It is very seldom that such people stand out from the crowd...and by their mere existence to cause their fellow humans to question the actual value of their material possessions...or to question the thought processes that have made them so irrationally secure in their misguided wisdom.. People such as Sri Aurobindo, Mohamed, Buddha,Mahavir, Marx and Jesus...have stood out and contributed to human existence not because they were mere reflections of the dominant society that surrounded them but because they were different...and by observing their difference many in the dominant society came to question the very roots of long treasured erroneous personal beliefs about life.. Bangladesh,Pakistan and India are blessed to have Hijra/Eunuchs...as every day by their mere existences they question the simple but erroneous norms of the dominant society that surrounds them.. It is frequently unnerving and discomforting to stand out in society...but I would hate to see hijra/eunuchs being blended into a dominant society that has always been so different than them.. Elizabeth And to then lose the ability to educate and assist those who are different from them.. In a message dated 9/9/2007 10:41:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear guys and gals pls watch the below Documentary and do giv ur feedback on it. Documentary based on the topic of Hijras. _http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bJb8sXNq3Y) Nicks ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: g_b Help Required
Rohit - In Brazil the most common form of plastic surgery is butt enhancement.. I would recommend that you start your internet search there...and then zero in on a good plastic surgeon near you.. But Brazil where topless swimming and bikini bottoms are de rigeur is obviously the place to start... Liz In a message dated 8/29/2007 10:01:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why doesn't he try silicon implants? Similar to breast augmentation. Would be good to the feel too! Cheers, A. rohit ajay pawar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends ! I am staying in Dubai. My Friend wants some help. If you guys can give your advice , it will be great. My friend has an average size Butt. He wants to have Bubble Butt..Want to enlarge his butt. How he can do it? Any exercises? Any tablets , vitamins , pills etc (which are also available in UAE) Any other means? Please help... Thanking you all in advance. Regards Rohit ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: g_b Pratibha Patil views on homosexuality
In a message dated 8/4/2007 9:40:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a political appointee to this office has little or no views dude - atleast not worth considering or wasting time on dax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know her views on homosexuality? Dax - If you have the fortune to be seated next to her at a state dinner I would.. 1. Compliment her on the saree she is wearing.. 2. If that softens her expression...then I would tell her that she always wears wonderful sarees.. 3. If that further softens her...or she actually responds to your compliment...then go for it...show your knowledge of handcrafted sarees from double ikat...to silk...cotton...and vegetable dyes.. 4. If sarees fail to spur on a conversation...then ask her about other truly important matters such as her tastes in food...her pets...her kids...the weather...whatever.. 5. If nothing succeeds in developing a bond between your president and yourself...then as you leave the table after dinner...tell her in a hushed voice how much you enjoyed meeting her brother and his new boyfriend at the last GB Sunday Meet.. Elizabeth ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: g_b SOTTO VOCE: Kind of Normal???
Moderator - Now I must be getting dense in my old age...or is something missing from this article that would cause it to make logical sense?? I know editors frequently edit an article down to uselessness...what happened here??? I cannot mount a sensible agreement or disagreement to a thesis as I cannot seem to find one in this piece of text.. Enlightenment...anyone?? Elizabeth i cut and pasted the editorial hoping someone would react to it. am still waiitng for some moderator In a message dated 5/22/2007 9:43:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Edit from The Times Of India http://timesofindiahttp://timeshttp://tihttp://timhttp://timeshttp://time SOTTO VOCE: Kind of Normal 23 May, 2007 l 0023 hrs ISTlYamini Lohia A fairly recent movie encapsulates what one imagines the straight, heterosexual man or woman must feel in our society today. A gay man wakes up in the morning and goes to high school, only to realise that homosexuality is the societal norm whilst heterosexuality is frowned upon. Since he's attracted to a pretty classmate -- a girl -- he has to 'come out' all over again. Now, this movie wasn't especially good, and certainly failed to explore the issues of what is normal and abnormal in a society. But at a film festival on gender and sexuality held in the capital recently, deviant sexuality predictably took centre stage. There were many worthy films that explored issues surrounding homosexuality and queer sexuality. But the regular, average man or woman, confronting his or her sexual issues in a rather puritanical society, were given short shrift. It seems that for now, the avant-garde is 'cool'. The great Indian middle class is therefore co-opting the atypical into the mainstream, by making it hip to be 'different'. Younger people are adopting the abnormal, making it normal, and ending up alienating the majority. It's a strange world where a person has to be apologetic for being attracted to the opposite sex. Yet, that is what has happened in our excessively politically correct times. All it takes is one bleeding-heart liberal to raise an objection about perceived anti-gay remarks, and one is derided as a homophobic individual. The problem here isn't the motive behind a discussion on queer sexuality. No doubt it has more to do with removing the social stigma attached to being gay, or lesbian or transgender, than an attempt to marginalise the mainstream. But in our eagerness to atone for our supposed sins, we go too far, which creates more resentment and leads to the kind of bigotry we were ashamed of in the first place ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. inline: image001.pnginline: image001.pnginline: image002.png
g_b What I love about being Indian?
Shweta - Those are wonderful words and ideas for those in India who are computer literate and have access to western middle class culture.. But we should not forget that the majority of Indians cannot find Karnataka on a map...no less understand what a state or country means...do you need a passport to go to Kolkata...and if cricket had the money why didn't they just put Greg on a train or bus back to Australia...instead of a plane.. additionally most of these truly decent and wonderful Indian people have no faith that their government will give them equal security in their lives to the protection accorded to other castes, classes, religions and genders.. It is always good for you to count your blessings...but also good for me not to be blind to those who lack a similar fortune.. Love.. Elizabeth What I love about being Indian? Some point of views about why i love India - self findings Culture and sacrifice The thing that I love most about being Indian is living in a cultured society. I can speak my language very well without faltering. I love Indian foods, our dresses and beautiful places. I always respect and love people who sacrifice their lives and who are still struggling for the sake of India. In future, I would like to have a job in India rather than go abroad. India all the way The best thing about being an Indian is that you belong to the most colorful and beautiful country in the whole world. Every state, every city in India has a different history to tell. I also like the variety of seasons, the food, clothes and the rich culture. Indians are the most intelligent of all. An Indian will serve India in every possible way. To be an Indian is a honour. I'm proud because I am in a country where people from different castes co-exist. We manage to live together, celebrate each other's festival and respect each other. We speak many languages. There is no place like India India is a country with a rich culture and heritage. There's such a variety of food, dances and heritage sites, it is a great country. I am proud to be an Indian because I belong to a land full of warm people, great food, cool places and the Himalayas. There is no place like India. Brothers one and all In which country will you find a Muslim president, a Sikh prime minister, a Christian ruling party leader and a Hindu vice-president ruling our nation? Isn't that proof enough to show brotherhood exists in our country? What more reason can I state to be a proud Indian? Variety is the spice I love being Indian because we have such a rich culture, different customs, costumes, languages and spicy food! India is the true example for the phrase variety is the spice of life. Love still exists Being an Indian makes you different firstly. I love to be an Indian because love and affection still exists in India. The country still has tradition , values and culture. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: g_b Drag queens want to lead a dignified life
Aditya - While I totally share your frustration with the lack of clear descriptions for objects and personalities...I do not think the main cause of this problem lies with those outside our communities so much as it does with us ourselves.. We tend to have a multitude...if not a majority of us without...both...clear identities and clear perceptions of our identities...we ourselves can appropriately split the hairs when we see or meet one another...but for an outsider without our personal relation to the community and with a need to explain us to others...these journalists and writers are left with the same words and pictures...that even we frequently use for the purpose of deception of others both inside and outside our communities.. Elizabeth In a message dated 4/19/2007 10:28:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Drag-Queen, Cross-Dresser, Launda, Gay, MSM, Bisexual, Homosexual, Transgender - Every possible term has been used by the author of this article, making a veritable mash of them all, where the diffrence in contour and meaning of the various terms are effectively rendered - well meaningless. I often wonder if anything can be done to educate these often well meaning hacks, who out of sheer ignorance write such gobbledigook. Especially for hacks that belong to media houses like the Times News Network, whose editorial position things like getting rid of 377 has been extremely forward looking and positive. - Aditya ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: g_b Re: Same sex attraction among animals - pink flamingos - how appropri...
In a message dated 2/28/2007 5:05:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Flamingos seem to have an appropriate color. They form both male and female homosexual pairs. The bond is similar to that of a heterosexual mated pair and is expressed through shared activities, such as feeding and travelling together, calling in unison, helping each other in aggressive encounters with other birds, and sleeping side by side. Single males, seeking a male partner, have even been observed to harass heterosexual pairs, following them and disrupting their copulations in an attempt to win the male. Once formed, homosexual pair-bonds are strong and may persist form one breeding season to the next.. based on material in biological exuberance eddie Eddie - All this discrete and not so discrete action was brought out wonderfully in the classic gay/tg movie 'Pink Flamingos' starring the great Divine...30 years ago...using humans as the simple animals as it was so hard in those days to assemble an adequate cast of Pink Flamingo actors...I heartily recommend that all the truly cool young GB members view a copy of the great John Waters movie before attending their next function.. As the boy scouts say 'Semper paratus'(always prepared).. Elizabeth BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
g_b “scrotum” does not often appea r in polite conversation
Are we as Transgendered and Gay people any more comfortable with this word... and the vast universe of ideas that this iconic word contains?? Elizabeth Children's Book Stirs Battle With Single Word By JULIE BOSMAN The New York Times (Feb. 18) -- The word “scrotum” does not often appear in polite conversation. Or children’s literature, for that matter. Librarians Shocked Yet there it is on the first page of “The Higher Power of Lucky,” by Susan Patron, this year’s winner of the Newbery Medal, the most prestigious award in children’s literature. The book’s heroine, a scrappy 10-year-old orphan named Lucky Trimble, hears the word through a hole in a wall when another character says he saw a rattlesnake bite his dog, Roy, on the scrotum. “Scrotum sounded to Lucky like something green that comes up when you have the flu and cough too much,” the book continues. “It sounded medical and secret, but also important.” The inclusion of the word has shocked some school librarians, who have pledged to ban the book from elementary schools, and reopened the debate over what constitutes acceptable content in children’s books. The controversy was first reported by Publishers Weekly, a trade magazine. On electronic mailing lists like Librarian.net, dozens of literary blogs and pages on the social-networking site LiveJournal, teachers, authors and school librarians took sides over the book. Librarians from all over the country, including Missoula, Mont.; upstate New York; Central Pennsylvania; and Portland, Ore., weighed in, questioning the role of the librarian when selecting — or censoring, some argued — literature for children. “This book included what I call a Howard Stern-type shock treatment just to see how far they could push the envelope, but they didn’t have the children in mind,” Dana Nilsson, a teacher and librarian in Durango, Colo., wrote on LM_Net, a mailing list that reaches more than 16,000 school librarians. “How very sad.” The book has already been banned from school libraries in a handful of states in the South, the West and the Northeast, and librarians in other schools have indicated in the online debate that they may well follow suit. Indeed, the topic has dominated the discussion among librarians since the book was shipped to schools. Pat Scales, a former chairwoman of the Newbery Award committee, said that declining to stock the book in libraries was nothing short of censorship. “The people who are reacting to that word are not reading the book as a whole,” she said. “That’s what censors do — they pick out words and don’t look at the total merit of the book.” If it were any other novel, it probably would have gone unnoticed, unordered and unread. But in the world of children’s books, winning a Newbery is the rough equivalent of being selected as an Oprah’s Book Club title. Libraries and bookstores routinely order two or more copies of each year’s winners, with the books read aloud to children and taught in classrooms. “The Higher Power of Lucky” was first published in November by Atheneum/Richard Jackson Books, an imprint of Simon Schuster, accompanied by a modest print run of 10,000. After the announcement of the Newbery on Jan. 22, the publisher quickly ordered another 100,000 copies, which arrived in bookstores, schools and libraries around Feb. 5. Reached at her home in Los Angeles, Ms. Patron said she was stunned by the objections. The story of the rattlesnake bite, she said, was based on a true incident involving a friend’s dog. And one of the themes of the book is that Lucky is preparing herself to be a grown-up, Ms. Patron said. Learning about language and body parts, then, is very important to her. “The word is just so delicious,” Ms. Patron said. “The sound of the word to Lucky is so evocative. It’s one of those words that’s so interesting because of the sound of the word.” Ms. Patron, who is a public librarian in Los Angeles, said the book was written for children 9 to 12 years old. But some librarians countered that since the heroine of “The Higher Power of Lucky” is 10, children older than that would not be interested in reading it. “I think it’s a good case of an author not realizing her audience,” said Frederick Muller, a librarian at Halsted Middle School in Newton, N.J. “If I were a third- or fourth-grade teacher, I wouldn’t want to have to explain that.” Authors of children’s books sometimes sneak in a single touchy word or paragraph, leaving librarians to choose whether to ban an entire book over one offending phrase. In the case of “Lucky,” some of them take no chances. Wendy Stoll, a librarian at Smyrna Elementary in Louisville, Ky., wrote on the LM_Net mailing list that she would not stock the book. Andrea Koch, the librarian at French Road Elementary School in Brighton, N.Y., said she
g_b Michael Jackson Talks About His New Life in Vegas and His Comeback
In a World Exclusive Interview, Michael Jackson Talks About His New Life in Vegas and His Comeback Posted Feb 5th 2007 7:06PM by _Robin Leach_ (http://www.vegaspopular.com/bloggers/robin-leach) Michael Jackson's long-awaited return to 'King of Pop' status has begun and it's being masterminded by the mysterious, secretive British entertainment tycoon who is behind the phenomenal success of Simon Cowell's ratings juggernaut 'American Idol' and David Beckham's $250-mega-million deal that is bringing the soccer king to the United States. I can exclusively reveal that megastar producer-manager, Simon Fuller, has held top-secret strategy planning meetings in Vegas with Michael and Emmy award-winning director-choreographer, Kenny Ortega, who has created two of Michael's previous smash, sell-out world tours. By the way, Kenny won his first Director's Guild of America award on Sunday for outstanding achievement with his 'High School Musical' production for Disney. They invited me to join their dinner in a private room behind the watchful eyes of 2 security guards at Steve Wynn's _Wing Lei_ (http://search.cityguide.aol.com/lasvegas/restaurants/wing-lei/v-281905) Chinese restaurant at the mogul's _Wynn resort hotel and casino._ (http://search.cityguide.aol.com/lasvegas/entertainment/wynn-las-vegas/v-190918) It's Michael's fourth visit to the Epicurean Award-winning restaurant since moving to Vegas, ending his 18-month self-imposed exile from the US, living in Dubai and at Michael Flatley's castle in Ireland. Ironically, Michael who normally shuns cameras, was undetected just 100 feet away from the 200-strong media mob reporting on Paula Abdul's _'Woman of the Year'_ (http://www.vegaspopular.com/2007/01/28/hey-paula-paula-abdul-talks-slurs-idol-simon-as-borat-and/) award and star-studded attendees. A bit later when I told Simon Cowell, who was also in Vegas for Paula's award, that his partner was just around the corner, he laughed and said, Doing another one of his world-shaking mega-deals, I suppose. As manager to international soccer-star David Beckham, Fuller, the extraordinary deal-maker, won him a five year $250-million contract -- the largest sports pay-package in history – to move with his 'Posh Spice' wife, Victoria Beckham, to Beverly Hills and play for the L.A. Galaxy Major League Soccer team. Incidentally that was Beckham, with Martha Stewart and LL Cool J, in one of the high-priced $2.5 million _Superbowl ads_ (http://www.ifilm.com/video/2819646/collection/18373/minisite/superbowl) on Sunday -- another coup for Simon Fuller launching Beckham's bid for American stardom. Michael, who was looking well, relaxed and very happy told me, I'm doing fine and am well and really enjoying myself in Vegas. It's a great place to call home. His handshake and voice were strong and firm. On Michael's pending Vegas show and return to pop royalty, Kenny added, We're talking business and looking at lots of different possibilities. This is a blue-sky time with a lot of different scenarios up in the air. We're working through all of them to find the best – the one that makes the most sense that's good for everybody. I was reliably told that if anybody could transform Michael into a box-office megastar all over again, it would be entertainment mogul Simon Fuller, This is the perfect match: the world's biggest pop-star being looked after by the most successful mogul-manager in the world. Fuller is often confused with Simon Cowell -- particularly as they are close friends and so intertwined with 'American Idol's' non-stop soaring success including #1 ratings in 21 different countries. Fuller though, is the brains behind its $1-billion haul from advertising, merchandise and music. He is said to have earned $60-million personally in 2003 alone and that's a figure that grows annually. In addition, he promotes and manages such 'American Idol' stars as Kelly Clarkson, Ruben Studdard and Clay Aiken in addition to being the longtime manager of Annie Lennox and the now solo careers of Emma 'Baby Spice' Bunton and Mrs. Beckham. There's an incredibly unique tie-in with another Vegas connection for Michael. Fuller (seen here with Kenny and Michael) divides his time between London, Los Angeles, and the French Riviera, and is also said to have numerous growing investments in Lake Las Vegas real estate ventures with Cowell. But it's the megadeal he struck with American billionaire, Robert F X Sillerman, that's worth noting in all of this. Fuller's 19 Entertainment was purchased a year ago by Sillerman for a whopping $190 million and Fuller wound up a director of Sillerman's CKx and still running the 19 group. CKx is partnered with _Cirque du Soleil_ (http://vegas.aol.com/galleries/cirque-du-soleil) in an upcoming Elvis Presley-themed show, planned for MGM's City Center. Sillerman, who owns
g_b Okay Sourav and Sania...now let's hear your thoughts on Gays
Hardaway Displays Honesty and Stupidity Homophobia Not Shocking, But Hate Hits Low Point By JASON WHITLOCK AOL Sports Commentary At first, Tim Hardaway's stupidity provoked a chuckle. He couldn't be serious. Not in these politically correct times. His remarks on Dan LeBatard's radio show in Miami had to be some sort of elaborate skit to promote John Amaechi's book. Controversial Company Asked to comment on the former NBA role player's decision to announce that he's gay, Hardaway decided to be John Rocker honest. If he was on my team, Hardaway said, speaking of Amaechi, I would, you know, really distance myself from him because, uh, I don't think that's right. And you know I don't think he should be in the locker room while we're in the locker room. I wouldn't even be a part of that. That was just Hardaway's warm-up shot. With LeBatard trying to press the brakes on Hardaway's intolerance, Hardaway executed a backdoor cut and slammed home his ignorance. You know, I hate gay people, so I let it be known, added Hardaway, a retired NBA all-star. I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States. Thirty minutes after the interview, Hardaway began his backpedal, offering an apology on a Miami TV station. Too late. The controversy was already in the process of blowing up nationally. NBA commissioner David Stern promptly removed Hardaway from all NBA All-Star Weekend activity in Las Vegas. And LeBatard was on the horn with Amaechi getting his reaction to Hardaway's comments for a column in Thursday's Miami Herald. Finally, someone who is honest, Amaechi told LeBatard. It is ridiculous, absurb, petty, bigoted and shows a lack of empathy that is gargantuan and unfathomable. But it is honest. And it illustrates the problem better than any of the fuzzy language other people have used so far. Yep, Hardaway scored points for honesty and stupidity. While perfectly illustrating the kind of hostility an active, out-of-the-closet athlete would face inside a locker room, Hardaway dealt the league that made him rich a black eye and a controversy that could take some of the shine off the NBA's Vegas holiday. Rather than spend the weekend talking about gambling, stripclubs, escorts and tattoos, Stern's all-stars will be forced to answer another round of questions about sexuality. Trust me, athletes are far more qualified to pontificate about the former than the latter. More than anything, that's what Amaechi's book release has made clear. We shouldn't ask pro athletes important questions. They've been raised in locker rooms, laboratories for intolerance and ignorance, and had their beliefs fortified by large sums of money and groupies/posse members. Athletes are not paid to be thoughtful or articulate. They're paid to follow instructions implicitly. They're paid to adhere to a macho code that certainly views gay men as weak. Should we be surprised that LeBron James and all the other 20-something millionaires flunked Amaechi's Brokeback test and offered less-than-enlightened opinions about homosexuality? No. And maybe we should be even less surprised that the 40-year-old Hardaway thought it was appropriate to put his homophobia on record. Money and privilege seem to erode a man's ability to empathize. Once you make it financially in this society, the natural inclination is to forget how and why you made it. Hardaway's implied reluctance to share a locker room and shower with a gay teammate is somewhat understandable. Most heterosexual men feel the same way. Homophobia is a not a crime. Letting it control your behavior is wrong. It is Hardaway's expression of hate and the implication he would allow his homophobia to prevent a gay man from working in peace that troubles me. Hardaway is too stupid to realize that racism and hate denied black people inalienable, American rights for hundreds of years. People with Tim Hardaway's mindset tried to keep people who look like Tim Hardaway out of professional sports and every other highly sought profession. 2007 America Online, Inc. All Rights Reserved. 2007-02-15 07:39:53
g_b The King is Dead Long Live the Komodo Queen
Okay guys looks like time is about up...Komodo females are at the top by themselves...and have no natural predators...male, female, hetero or homo.. Evolution probably is saying 'male is passe... okay, let them play with themselves if they wish'.. We only need one good male for every one hundred thousand humans...one good bull for every thousand cows...and no guys at all for every Komodo girl unless of course she is in the right time and place and finds it suitable.. Instead of worrying about past and present male history it might be appropriate to analyze male and gay existence in view of a scenario that includes either planned obsolescence or at best limited genetic importance.. Hmm...'TG or not to be??' Elizabeth Updated:2006-12-20 16:38:59 Virgin Birth on Way for Komodo Dragon One of Two Such Cases Known for Animal By MARIA CHENG AP CHESTER, England (Jan. 19) - In an evolutionary twist, Flora the Komodo dragon has managed to become pregnant all on her own without any male help. She is carrying seven baby Komodo dragons. Some reptile species reproduce asexually in a process known as parthenogenesis. Talk About It: _Post Thoughts_ (http://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/articles.php?boardId=567444func=3channel=News) We were blown away when we realized what she'd done, said Kevin Buley, a reptile expert at Flora's home at the Chester Zoo in this town in northern England. But we certainly won't be naming any of the hatchlings Jesus. Other reptile species reproduce asexually in a process known as parthenogenesis. But Flora's virginal conception is the second documented in a Komodo dragon. The first was earlier this year at the London Zoo. The reptiles, renowned for their intelligence, are native to Indonesia. They are the world's largest lizards and have no natural predators - making them on par with sharks and lions at the pinnacle of the animal kingdom. The cases of Flora and the London lizard, Sungai, are described in a paper published Thursday in Nature. Parthenogenesis is a process in which eggs become embryos without male fertilization. It has been seen in about 70 species, including snakes and lizards. Scientists are unsure whether female Komodo dragons have always had this latent ability to reproduce or if this is a new evolutionary development. At 8 years old, Flora - whom Buley describes as demure - is sexually mature. Having been raised in captivity, she has never been exposed to a male Komodo dragon. She lives with her younger sister, Nessie. Flora's keepers first became suspicious in May, when she laid 25 eggs. Though it's not uncommon for female dragons to lay eggs without mating, such eggs are not usually fertilized. As a precaution, they were placed in an incubator. About half of Flora's eggs looked like real eggs - they were very white and had solid shells. When three of them collapsed, scientists took a closer look. We saw blood vessels and a small embryo, said Buley, one of the Nature study's authors. And we knew immediately that Flora had fertilized the eggs herself. They then sent the collapsed eggs, along with tissue samples from Flora, Nessie, and a male Komodo dragon, to a laboratory in nearby Liverpool that conducted genetic testing to determine the eggs' parentage. Results showed that although the baby Komodo dragons are not exact Flora clones, their DNA could not have come from any other dragon. At the London Zoo, Sungai gave birth to four dragon hatchlings in April through self-fertilization. After their births, Sungai went on to mate normally with a male dragon, producing another baby dragon. Komodo dragons seem to be able to switch ways of reproducing to deal with a shortage of suitable boyfriends, said Dr. Rick Shine, a professor of evolutionary biology at the University of Sydney, Australia. Shine was not involved with the Nature paper. In contrast, other lizard species that reproduce asexually cannot mate normally. That might give Komodos a distinct survival edge. Only about 4,000 dragons remain in the wild, of which 1,000 are female. Concerns about dwindling Komodo dragon populations might be allayed by Flora and Sungai's recent self-induced motherhood. If female dragons can on occasion help out by virgin births, more power to them, said Trooper Walsh, a U.S.-based Komodo dragon expert, who was not connected to the study. Komodo dragons are the ultimate survivors, said Walsh. This is just another way this species can adapt to its surroundings. The discovery that Komodo dragons can reproduce asexually also has major implications for how they will be bred in captivity in the future. Experts are also keen to find out how prevalent virgin births are in the wild. It's baffling why a species starts doing this, said Kevin de Queiroz, a research zoologist at the Smithsonian Museum of
Re: g_b Fw: Reservations - Open admissions
In a message dated 5/29/2006 10:55:27 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WHERE ARE WE HEADING TO? WHICH DIRECTION ?AND DO WE WANT THIS TO BE ALLOWED ?? WILL THE PREDICTION OF INDIA BECOMING THE SUPERPOWER IN FUTURE BE ONLY A DREAM ?? KYA AISE HI KARLENGE DUNIYA MUTHIME?? WILL OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS CURSE US FOR TAKING ANY ACTION??? NO WONDER WE WILL HAVE BRAIN DRAIN. THEN WE WILL NEED TO IMPORT THEM. In the state of Wyoming for many years when we were in a similar state as the great country of India now finds itself... we instituted 'Open' admissions to solve the problem...this meant that all residents who had the equivalent of a high school education would be allowed to enter the University of Wyoming...and the continued presence in the university was based upon their grades at the university...which also had tutoring programs that assisted its eager but less forward students.. This entrance into the student body of the University of Wyoming was not based upon the 'merit' of the students...because all children in a democracy should be of equal 'merit'...but based upon the child's residency in the state of Wyoming.. In those days...which were up until only a very few years ago...many children had to workmuch of the time helping their families on farms and ranches or in the mines and forests.. Living in such conditions the vast majority of Wyoming's children lacked the benefits of education that the children of urban doctors, bankers and businessmen enjoyed.. Wyoming is known as the 'Equality' state as we were the first elected government any place in the world to give full suffrage(voting rights)to women...it was thus natural that such a state would give full access to its University to its children.. In time poor children's educational opportunities increased sufficiently to permit the 'merit' based admission system that the University of Wyoming now enjoys...though there still exists massive extra support to assist members of certain less 'forward' groups to enter the University of Wyoming.. It is foolish for Indians to think that there are not sufficient lower and backwardcaste and class and tribal students to properly fill 50% of the paltry number of seats it currently hasin its universities and professional schools.. Sadly, the problem in India...a country desperately in need of Doctors and professionals in all areas of the country...is that Indians in government and 'forward' castes, tribes and classes did not have faith that it was worthwhile to build medical and professional colleges everywhere and of sufficient capacity to educate its uneducated masses.. Iwould recommend the institution of 'open' admissions in India...with a '50%' reservation system only until sufficient institutional space has been constructed to educate India's masses...at which time the individual universities can begin to institute a meritocracy based more upon the merit of the individual university instead of the assumed deficiencies of 'merit' of most of the Indian populous.. Best.. Elizabeth Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (attachments are removed in the digest mode. You get one or two digest mails per day containing all emails, minus pictures/attachments) No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rss feed: http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com/maillist.xml Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. To post mates/freinds wanted log on to http://pub35.bravenet.com/classified/show.php?usernum=2998156902 SPONSORED LINKS India romance Romance relationship Bombay india YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b Re: Thailand - Interim report 1
In a message dated 4/22/2006 9:34:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had been to Thailand, acouple of times. It never took more than half an hour for me to get a visa- on- arrival at Bangkok Airport Staff was very courteous and polite. Possibly there was an overload of Indians the day before yesterday...many of the indians were young indian girls traveling with men a couple decades older than them...but there were also loads of Indian guys in groups of three or more...and families.. The Indian lady nurse traveling with me did not speak a word of Thai...and first got into line without Bahkt in cash...as did many other Indians...and then had to exit the visa on arrival room to cash rupees for Bahkt at an airport foreign exchange stand.. The line was at least one hundred people long at the three processing windows upon her arrival and by the time she had submitted her application at the window the line snaked out of the visas upon arrival room and a considerable distance down the corridor towards the landing gates.. Upon submitting her application at the window she was given token number 116...and sat down next to an elderly Punjabi couple waiting for their visa upon arrival with token number 74... There was no understandable progression of the issuance of the visas...and several hours later when my companion had received her entrance visa she guiltily left the Punjabi couple still sitting on the same seats they had been sitting on when she first sat down... I left the visas upon arrival room and walked to the eight vacant no visas required gates...flashed my American passport and entered Thailand with about a 30 second wait.. My companion and I took the escalator down to the six beautiful luggage carousels...and found our bags already unloaded in a bundle on the terminal floor...with about fifty of our fellow passenger's bags.. Everybody was wonderful to me...and except for the long wait...with no logical communication...nobody was rude to Rupa either.. But I would still recommend getting your visa in advance.. Elizabeth Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (attachments are removed in the digest mode. You get one or two digest mails per day containing all emails, minus pictures/attachments) No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rss feed: http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com/maillist.xml Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. To post mates/freinds wanted log on to http://pub35.bravenet.com/classified/show.php?usernum=2998156902 SPONSORED LINKS Love and romance Romance relationship Bombay india Gay YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b Re: Thailand's approach to homosexuality
In a message dated 4/21/2006 5:08:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There was a reason I posted this article on Thailand: not to encouragetourism in Thailand (I've never been there myself) :-) Oh my Darius...I totally misunderstood you...I hopped on a plane from Bangalore to Bangkok last night... Very reasonable price on both Thai Airlines and at the Royal President.. The plane was packed with unattached guys who I assumed were fellow GB members on a long weekend of tourism.. My only reservation is that you should get your Thai visa in advance of your trip as there was a 4 hour wait for Indians to get visas on arrival at the Bangkok airport.. Should I send you all pictures of TGs and potential gays in my street photos...or would it be better to leave it to your imaginations.. For TGs castration Thailand by not being part of India missed out on the ridiculous laws that have outlawed castration for over 100 years...so if your nuts are a burden you can just wander into any doc and have them removed.. Best.. Elizabeth Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (attachments are removed in the digest mode. You get one or two digest mails per day containing all emails, minus pictures/attachments) No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rss feed: http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com/maillist.xml Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. To post mates/freinds wanted log on to http://pub35.bravenet.com/classified/show.php?usernum=2998156902 YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b San Francisco may be world's gayest city - report
In a message dated 4/8/2006 10:29:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: McFarland acknowledged that it was difficult to get a precise number because of sensitivities over the issue. But he said San Francisco residents were likely to be more open about their sexuality than people in many other areas. This may be true but as a person who has spent a great deal of time in SF i find it odd that he feels that there are only 63,500 gay males.. I have known the city since I was a student at UCB in 1969...and today I currently only know 6 men that I am certain who are definitely heterosexual.. It could be the circles I move in but I would feel more comfortable with 100,000+ as the real number.. Best.. Elizabeth Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (attachments are removed in the digest mode. You get one or two digest mails per day containing all emails, minus pictures/attachments) No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rss feed: http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com/maillist.xml Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. To post mates/freinds wanted log on to http://pub35.bravenet.com/classified/show.php?usernum=2998156902 YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b Eunuchs Protest For Equal Rights In India -
Interesting article but it is more reflective of the typical GLBT misuse of the Hijara/eunuch population than about the needs and skills of the hijara/eunuch population.. The word 'eunuch' is a great kicker when people are trying to attract attention to themselves...if Tata or Kids Kemp advertised in the papers that you could ogle a hijara/eunuch by visiting their show rooms people would come just to see the oddity in real life.. Just a correction, but I would hope those of us far from Philadelphia know that 'hijara/eunuchs' are not unique to India...they flourish in Pakistan, Bangladesh and the other Hindu and Moslem states of South Asia...and 'eunuchs' exist throughout the world from the USA to Thialand...though in most cases by different names and without the wonderful inter-relations that the hijara/eunuchs have with one another here in South Asia...I was with several gatherings of Bengali and Bangladeshihijara/eunuchs over the last few weeks and you would have never known that Bengal had been tortuously torn into two isolated pieces by Britain, West Pakistan and India over the last 50 years from the closeness and common identity these people still share among one another.. Yesterday, however,I spent the morning discussing matters with hijara/eunuchs and TGs around India and the US...in the afternoon I went to TGVoices and Navodaya's joint office in Bangalore where TGVoices manager was teaching a basic class on computers...after which I took two staff members to visit my hijara/eunuch guru and her temple to the Mataji (Durga) to discuss concrete matters relating to the education and employment of hijara/eunuchs in Bangalore.. Not once yesterday did any hijara/eunuch or TG mention 377 or the "'Eunuch' Protest for Equal Rights"in Bangalore to me.. I suspect that possibly there are many Bangalores...and many uses for hijara/eunuchs as well...some good for them and some not so beneficial...from the 10 pictures in the sideshow that accompanied this postingit appears to me that possiblythe Bangalore demonstration might have been a homosexual demonstration protesting 377...with hijara/eunuchs used to attract international viewing of the demonstration...for the benefit of NGO donors and media advertisers...I cannot say for sure as I was in a different Bangalore at the time.. Best.. Elizabeth Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (attachments are removed in the digest mode. You get one or two digest mails per day containing all emails, minus pictures/attachments) No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rss feed: http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com/maillist.xml Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. To post mates/freinds wanted log on to http://pub35.bravenet.com/classified/show.php?usernum=2998156902 YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b Is India ready for cross-dressing execs?- The Economic Times -
In a message dated 3/24/2006 12:03:17 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course, there is need to understand that there is within each man a set of feminine potentials, but society demands that these be suppressed. But the fact remains that cross dressers are as feminine as they were, and will ever be. Cross-dressing is just a means of giving _expression_ to their feminity. And many are splurging to satisfy dressing instincts to express their feminine self. This is an excellent article.. And yes I know many indian executives and professionals who are either part-time or full-time cross dressers.. As India re-opens its collective mind we will see more and more Transgendered people everyday in all walks of life...the future is very bright for us...it is very seldom that anybody publishes or broadcasts an anti TG story anymore...which means that thebuying public likes us and wants to hear good things about us.. Elizabeth Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (attachments are removed in the digest mode. You get one or two digest mails per day containing all emails, minus pictures/attachments) No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rss feed: http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com/maillist.xml Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. To post mates/freinds wanted log on to http://pub35.bravenet.com/classified/show.php?usernum=2998156902 YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b from The New Yorker: Memo from the Vatican
In a message dated 3/1/2006 9:49:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not a Catholic queen but I think the whole article is in abysmally poor taste. It isn't even funny. It is absolute trash!! Asfan. Vikram - In America we are permitted to write most anything we wish...but I am saddened to see E.B. White's old stomping grounds reinforcing negative stereotypes about gay priests.. and for you...Vikram...to be so rude as to insult the Transgendered community in the Catholic clergy...in India and elsewhere.. What has become of you my dear boy?? Best...your friend.. Elizabeth Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. SPONSORED LINKS Romance relationship Gay men Lgbt YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
g_b Fwd: [DelRen] 5th Anual Philadelphia Trans-Health Conference
Maybe not in everybody's backyard...but there are many Indians in Philly and New Jersey.. Elizabeth Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. SPONSORED LINKS Love and romance Romance relationship Gay men YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---BeginMessage--- I thought that there might be several of us interested in this even right in our backyard: http://www.trans-health.org/ about the conference The 2006 Annual Philadelphia Trans-health Conference is a FREE event! Dates: March 2-4, 2006 Location: Philadelphia Convention Center, 12th and Arch Streets Press Release: Forthcoming This location is wheelchair accessible, easy to reach by public transportation, and has plenty of parking (for a fee). What is this conference about? This conference will bring together transgender and gender-variant people, partners, allies and healthcare providers for three days of workshops, keynotes, discussion, and networking. Because accessible, respectful and quality healthcare is linked to self- determining our bodies and identities in a larger world, this conference seeks to explore themes related to enjoying rich, full lives, and building movements and communities for justice. Given the success of last year's conference and the feedback we received from attendees, we are continuing to offer the conference over three days. The first day, Thursday, is Provider's Day. It will focus on practitioner trainingdiscussions and presentations that help local practitioners better understand our perspectives and needs. The last two days, Friday and Saturday, are community days and will be focused on transpeople and our health concerns. Yahoo! Groups Links ---End Message---
Re: g_b Re: INDIA's Matthew Shepherd type Gay Hate Crime Murder
Geoffrey - As Vikram indicates...the state of the people in the North East is worse than anything currently being experienced in Wyoming and Australia...please stop into the northeast next time you visit India...it is not just one dead gay man but hundreds of murdered and raped innocents that nobody ever hears about...they would love your assistance.. Elizabeth Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. SPONSORED LINKS Love and romance Romance relationship Gay men YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b from the NYT magazine: Yoshino on covering
In a message dated 1/20/2006 9:44:24 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This just brings home to me that the only right I have wanted with any consistency is the freedom to be who I am. I'll be the first to admit that I owe much of that freedom to group-based equality movements, like the gay rights movement. But it is now time for us as a nation to shift the emphasis away from equality and toward liberty in our debates about identity politics. Only through such freedom can we live our lives as works in progress, which is to say, as the complex, changeful and contradictory creatures that we are. While I thoroughly enjoyed reading the rest of this article...I do not think anybody...be they an individual, a member of a minority or a member of a majority...should pass over Yoshino's conclusion too lightly...no matter what country they live in.. Every time some one tells you you are not TG enough in their eyes...or far enough to the Left for them...thank them for their 'opinion'...and continue down the paths that feel right to you.. Elizabeth Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. SPONSORED LINKS Love and romance Romance relationship Bombay india Gay men Lgbt YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b India 'loses 10m female births'
Manan - Both female foeticide and female infanticide push India to the very far reaches of barbarity in the modern world...the generally published numbers that I have seen over the last year indicate that 40 million Indian women are not alive today...women who by simple statistics should be current citizens of India.. Most countries do not have 40 million citizens total...this barbaric treatment of women is the equivalent of killing all the people in Canada or Australia or Belgium or the Ivory Coast...if this inhumane activity is not stopped I expect that India will become a pariah worse than Cambodia or Hilter's Germany to most of the rest of the modern world over the next few years...especially with the current speed of communications throughout the world...your enclosed story is less than a week old and I can guarantee you that people are already ridiculing India in all corners of the world because of it.. In the USA for decades there has been a very strong debate of the appropriateness of abortion (foeticide)...the debate is focused on whether a women has a right to terminate an unwanted birth...and is based primarily on the woman's right to protect herself and her life.. If it was found that foeticide was being used specifically to kill female embryos as happens consistently in India then I can easily imagine the National Organization of Women reformulating much of their stance on abortion.. For me as a Transgendered westerner in India female foeticide and female infanticide as well as the general disenfranchisement of women in societyare the most unsettling aspects of life in the sub-continent.. These aspects are even more unsettling to me than the abuse of the hijara/eunuch population...for without women's rights to live equitably in India it is foolish to think that anyone so unusual as a Transgendered person would be accorded equality .. Elizabeth In a message dated 1/9/2006 9:46:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4592890.stm More than 10m female births in India may have been lost to abortion and sex selection in the past 20 years, according to medical research. Researchers in India and Canada for the Lancet journal said prenatal selection and selective abortion was causing the loss of 500,000 girls a year. Their research was based on a national survey of 1.1m households in 1998. The researchers said the "girl deficit" was more common among educated women but did not vary according to religion. The unusual gender balance in India has been known about for some time. In most countries, women slightly outnumber men, but separate research for the year 2001 showed that for every 1,000 male babies born in India, there were just 933 girls. Ultrasound The latest research is by Prabhat Jha of St Michael's Hospital at the University of Toronto, Canada, and Rajesh Kumar of the Postgraduate Institute of Medical Research in Chandigarh, India. They found that there was an increasing tendency to select boys when previous children had been girls. The sex ratio is so skewed in some states, men cannot find brides In cases where the preceding child was a girl, the ratio of girls to boys in the next birth was 759 to 1,000. This fell even further when the two preceding children were both girls. Then the ratio for the third child born was just 719 girls to 1,000 boys. However, for a child following the birth of a male child, the gender ratio was roughly equal. Prabhat Jha said conservative estimates in the research suggested half a million girls were being lost each year. "If this practice has been common for most of the past two decades since access to ultrasound became widespread, then a figure of 10m missing female births would not be unreasonable." 'Shameful' Sex selective abortions have been banned in India for more than a decade. Experts in India say female foeticide is mostly linked to socio-economic factors. It is an idea that many say carries over from the time India was a predominantly agrarian society where boys were considered an extra pair of hands on the farm. The girl child has traditionally been considered inferior and a liability - a bride's dowry can cripple a poor family financially. The BBC's Jill McGivering says the problem is complicated by advances in technology. Ultrasound machines must be officially registered but many are now so light and portable, they are hard to monitor. Although doctors in India must not tell couples the sex of a foetus, in practice, some just use coded signals instead, our correspondent says. Last year the well-known religious leader and social activist, Swami Agnivesh, began a campaign across five northern and
Re: g_b Proud to Be an Indian....
In a message dated 1/2/2006 10:10:31 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Say proudly, I AM AN INDIAN. Regards, Jimmy khan Jimmy - Even without these stunning numbers and facts you have every right to be proud to be an Indian.. and Every person has a right to be proud of all humanity.. Proud of humanity's overall drive to develop universal security and happiness through the exercise of knowledge.. Despite momentary bumps in the road...such as South Asia's currentdisenfranchisement of its women and rural population from the tools to create security and happiness for themselves in the 21st century...the overall path of the development of world society over the past thousands of years has been has always been in apositive direction.. Your time may not feel good for you at the moment...but always have faith that your good actions though not very beneficial to you in your life will definitely improve the life of all humans in the future,, So be proud of yourself as a good human too.. Best. Elizabeth Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. SPONSORED LINKS Romance relationship Bombay india Woman seeking woman YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b Brokeback mountain
In a message dated 1/2/2006 10:01:42 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't anyone else slightly uneasy about a gay film written by a woman and starring two straight (correct me if I am wrong)actors?I haven't seen it and expect that I am wrong. But anything so hyped I often find is a dissappointment.From the common sense angle, any work of art which portrays homosexuality in a positive light gets my vote.I am terrible. I thought it was called Bareback Mountain with sexual connotationsPaul Paul - I take it that you are not Transgendered.. But the universality of an idea is exposed when the idea 'transcend' base individual or sectarian material realities such as those you have mentioned.. The movie you have outlined can be readily found on gay web cams, at gay cruising sitesand in gay porno films...but none of those 'art' forms seem to have been accepted anywhere in the dominant culture as being worthy of universal introspection and acceptance.. Elizabeth Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
g_b Sorry Guys...I guess you missed out on this exotic fellow too??
Charles Socarides, Gay 'Cure' Doctor, Dies AP NEW YORK (AP) - Charles Socarides, the psychiatrist famous for insisting that homosexuality was a treatable illness and who claimed to have "cured" hundreds, has died. He was 83. Socarides, died Dec. 25 of heart failure at a hospital near his Manhattan home, his family announced. A funeral Mass was held Friday. He waged an unsuccessful battle to reverse the American Psychiatric Association's 1973 decision to remove homosexuality from its list of mental disorders, and brushed off frequent condemnations by colleagues who considered his views hurtful. "Gays ascribe their condition to God, but he should not have to take that rap, any more than he should be blamed for the existence of other manmade maladies - like war," he wrote in the Catholic weekly magazine America in 1995. Socarides persisted in his views despite having a gay son, Richard, who became an adviser to President Clinton on gay and lesbian affairs. In the 1990s, he was among the founders of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, a nonprofit group based in Encino, Calif., "dedicated to affirming a complementary, male-female model of gender and sexuality." A native of Brockton, Mass., Socarides decided he wanted to become a psychoanalyst at age 13 after reading a book on the life of Sigmund Freud. He graduated from Harvard College, earned his medical degree at New York Medical College, and got a certificate in psychoanalytic medicine at Columbia University. He taught at The Albert Einstein College of Medicine. Besides his son, he is survived by his wife, Claire; another son, two daughters and one grandchild. Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. SPONSORED LINKS Romance relationship Bombay india India gift India romance India tour Online romance YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b Annie Proulx Brokeback Mountain - Transgendered Voices - Wyoming
Ajay and SikkimKrishna - After your responses to my email...I have included my thoughts on the matter based upon my life as a Wyoming rural TG cowgirl myself...in art there are no right answers...just creations left for interpretation.. I would love to know more about your thoughts on this movie which I find to be an extremely good movie...in both its production and the multi-leveled and complex work of its screen writers...Annie Proulx is the writer of the original story and not one of the screenwriters...literature is generally not followed line for line in its recreation as popular movies.. Lawrence Durrell in one of theintroductions of the Alexandria Quartet explained how the Alexandria Quartet (Justine, Balthazar, etc.)had been written for 'both' types of readers...those who like a swimmer would skim the surface of the water...and those who like a drowning man would sink into the full depths of its vast ocean of thoughts and possibilities...i believe every creation not just Durrell's work are open for multiple interpretations...irrespective of their creators intentions.. 1. SikkimKrishna's response - The original story Brokeback mountain does have its own 'original' murder/torture sequence 'married sex addicts' huh??? h'm my dear liz, ya couldna' ha' put it better!!! fk 2. Ajay's response In a message dated 12/27/2005 9:20:33 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: HI EJ, how can you be so sure that JAcks wife got hime killed. its just your interepretation right (?)..I saw the film a few days ago and thoroghly enjoyed it...But i wondered if i would enjoy the film as much if the two leads were not as good looking.. On the whole i guess the film is pretty good and i was rather surprised that 90% of the viewers in my show were straight couples... cheers aj AJ - I am from the American West...Jack's wife who is from Texas not Wyoming, was an extremely self-motivated barrel racer, who actually forced herself ona good looking but a somewhat hapless Jack at a bar after a day of rodeoing...she came from a family of very self-motivated people as well...it was evident that hapless Jack had not figured a great way to keep their marriage relationship going on an acceptable basis...strong women do not sit in the back they drive the vehicle...she was being denied that possibility in her personal life... He thought...as my father did...that by not getting physically caught by his wife and children and in-laws that he could get away with his secret gay life... In my father's situation his absence and unanswerable behavior caused much isolation for my young mother and all four of us children...very similar to Jack and Ennis' family situations...I am the only one of the four children who has a fulfilling and pleasant life...and I am an 'odd' personin any society in the world...an asexual, secular 'sannyasi'/'jogin' type...whereas my three siblings are living in the world that my father's antisocial behaviour made acceptable for them... My sister is married to a man who I have caught several times entertaining prositutes and the lower ranking female staff of his company...but she does not have the strength of either Jack or Ennis's wives...she like my mother has chosen to live married to a man who instills self-doubt and personal agony in her by his very presence in her life...she weighs 300 pounds and once earlier in her life was a very successful trial attorney fighting cases for the city of New York...now she is an isolated and confused spouse.. One brother has been carrying on a very active 20 year affair with my second cousin...believing all this time that his imbalanced three children and post-breast cancer wife are ignorant of his behaviours...i.e. ski-trips with my 2nd cousin to Colorado...while his wife and kids are sent onMartin Luther King vacation to the beach in Mexico... My other brother has an obvious secret life that makes him very shy to deal with...and has two daughters who like me...35 years earlier...ran away to San Francisco to reclaim their self-respect...in the world outside their confusing family life.. Everything that each of us sees passes through our own minds for understanding and I originally thought the same way asAjay about Jack's death but the character development in the movie just did not adequately reflect the actions by Jack's wife...she like the cowboys who killed the gay cowboy in Jack's youth did not understand what Jack was hiding when he was hiding it and was obviously more horrified by what she imagined she had found than what she would have been if Jack had honestly 'outed' himself to her... additionally many cow girls are lesbian and or bisexual because of their 'oddness' in an otherwise patriarchal rural society...if you read between the lines it is safe to say that Ennis probably felt there was a possibility that his daughter would not be a happy wife to a
g_b Annie Proulx Brokeback Mountain - Transgendered Voices - Wyoming
Annie Proulx - I had the great pleasure of seeing Brokeback Mountain at the 10 AM showing at the Mayan in Denver on Christmas.. I feel that your story has been very respectfully filmed in light of the current needs to produce a box office worthy movie.. It is with the possible exception of Philadelphia Story the most accessible serious film with gay characters for the day-to-day non-gay public that I have seen...here or in India.. As you can imagine of great importance to me are the story's setting in Wyoming...which has been unfairly bashed in the world media...since the senseless killing of Matthew Shepard by simple thieving criminals from families as familiar to you on your side of Laramie as they were on mine...in Iron Mountain... The culture and people of Wyoming are interpreted by the actors in an honest manner from the two cowboys to Ennis's daughter and to Jack's parents.. I felt a little embarrassed by the awkward representations of murder of gay men in Wyoming in Texas and sadly felt that they had been undeftly edited and placed in the movie to get the greatest buzz from certain members of the publicwho require gore to validate their own personal preconceptions...but these two murders were not major in the time elapsed and were good foils to help focusattention on the brutal response that can erupt from people unable tounderstand the objects of their own personal fears... i.e. the rural cowboy population of Jack Twists youth...in whichboth you and I know from our friends and acquaintances in Wyoming... homosexual behaviour has always been a private, butcommonentity that was generally not flashed around as a public ideal in the conservative and family oriented society...just as extramarital sex and prostitution though very commonare not given any kudos either.. and the frustration of Jack's wife at being excluded from an unknown endeavor that obviously gave her husband Jack a greatdeal of pleasure.. almost certainly she found out about the details of Jacks extracurriclar activities the same accidental way that Ennis's wife and the line boss of the sheep ranch did before her...and hadJack killed and then moved on with her new life with a ranch manager whotreated her better.. Jack and Ennis are very much like many of the gay working cowboys that I know today...both in their incredible strengths and fatal flaws...I am happy that the story was told in pre-HIV. 1960s Wyoming...so that the veiwers could focus on the incredible web of interpersonal relationships that even simple people weave around themselves...and to then allow us to objectively analyze both the good and poor choices anyone can make in life...and the frequently disastrous outcomes that can come froma self-centered individual's frequently confused thought process... instead of being diverted by the present war on AIDS that has engulfed much of the gay media and thought.. I currently have an order into Amazon.com for three copies of Brokeback Mountain to use in our Bangalore and Calcutta, India programs to show married sex addicts who feel that their compulsive daliences with female prostitutes, gay men and hijara/eunuchs can do to destroy not just the lives of their innocent wives and children...but ultimately themselves as well.. India is a patriarchal culture where the women rarely dare to act as Jack's wife did and generally are not given the outlet of honourable and equitable divorce that Ennis' wife chose...the movie thus could be used in assisting thedisenfranchised married womenof India too.. Have a great Winter...I feel much like Tom Horn exiled to burial in the cemetery in Boulder, Colorado these days...as I am sure you might have heard that I have sold my beloved Iron Mountain Ranch to facilitate my work assisting the hijara/eunuch population in India...at least unlike Tom I can walk away into a new and intriguing life instead of being dropped into the black hole of eternity at the end of a rope.. I willforward copies of this email to Sampoorna an Indian TG group, Sappho a Calcutta lesbian group, Gaybombay a Mumbai gay group and Ashok Row Kavi my icon of Indian social work through his Humsafar Trust.. Best.. Elizabeth Jeffords Transgendered Voices Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on
g_b Fwd: Check out US :Transgender Professor
US :Transgender Professor click or enter on your browser.. http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=2guideContext=65.73pmmsid=1433787 Now if we can just get Indian society to realize that being TG and/or a hijara/eunuch is not a sexual thing...Liz This is a5 minuteclip lifted from ABC News in the US...by aol.com...it says a great deal of what I believe.. Enjoy and pass it around.. Elizabeth Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---BeginMessage--- US :Transgender Professor Now if we can just get Indian society to realize that being TG and/or a hijara/eunuch is not a sexual thing...i.e. Gender Identity.. Liz ---End Message---
Re: g_b A peek into lives of the third sex
In a message dated 10/27/2005 12:03:48 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I happened to view the film on a Sunday at Huma Adlabs evening show..I reached the theatre at 6.05 PM (6 was the show). They told me to wait for a while. Later unwillingly they issued the ticket. I was wondering why? Later I realised I was the only one for the show.I watched the movie as a special show..Regading the movie.. I think the movie is well made except some dramatic/filmy part...All those scenes invloving our Bobby Darling can be edited..It does not make sense nor it adds value to the movie..Those scenes have been fit in for the entertainment value but it fails and jarring..LovAzhagi Azhagi - As a good friend of Kushbu's I cannot wait to see the film...but I have been nervous since I first heard about the movie that it might be confusng apples with oranges...or real life with Bollywood.. Your review seems to indicate that my fears might have come true.. But hopefully someday Bobby will someday blossom in a meaningful role.. And someday people will just 'look' at TGs and not 'peek' at us from insurmountable distances.. Best. Elizabeth Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. SPONSORED LINKS Bombay india Cause and effect essay Causes of depression Lgbt YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b Coming to India
In a message dated 10/10/2005 12:35:10 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: EthanI do not know how much of the Third World countriesyou've seen, but if you're new then I suggest youbegin your India visit from the South. Take a flightto Bangalore, explore Kerala, Karnataka, Tamil Naduand Andhra and work your way up to Goa, Mumbai andthen the (dirty) North Indian parts. This way theculture shock won't be such a rude one! SouthernIndia is cleaner, more literate and intellectuallymore advanced than the North (no offense, NorthIndians). And I include Maharashtra in Southern Indiaas I write this just to make it easier for you.CheersAdrian Adrian - I notice continually that Kolkata...the intellectual capital of India...is frequently confused by other Indians as being a part of Bangladesh or East Pakistan.. If Ethan is a forward thinking LBGT from San Francisco...as I...in 1969... a child of the vastly successful northeastern region ofUSA of that time...who against all the desires of my friends and family...decided to move to the San Francisco bay area...to attend the University of California at Berkeley...which at that time was the capital of Free Speech, Equal Rights and Counter Culturalism...then I would recommend Kolkata...the Indian capital of counter culturalism.. you will not find an Oakland Bay and a Golden Gate...but you will find two historic Hoogly river bridges...you will not find the Tenderloin but you will find the largest purely sexworker dominated districts i have known - see 'Born in a Bordello' the US oscar winning documentary produced by Indians and Americans that the Indian board of censorship has not permitted screening in India( from what Indian actors and producers have told me).. And look at Kolkata as the sick SF or Philadelphia of 1969...and in 35 years seek out my burial spot and leave the petals of a yellow rose sprinkled on it after burying a 2005 quarter at my feet...to thank me for showing you the future...not the transient present...in India.. Elizabeth Love.. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b Coming to India
Ethan - As a TG who went to architecture school in Berkeley...I would say that you should ask us where those items that you were interested in might be...India is just as diverse as the human mind can be...i.e. the best sweeis are probably not found in the most logically designed city...just as missed opportunity is not revered in the same cities as where overwhelming success is the accepted norm.. Elizabeth...Kolkata...and Bangalore from time to time.. In a message dated 10/9/2005 10:35:41 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hay dude, Welcome to India! Unlike Western Countries, India is full of rich and poor, bold and the beautiful, serene and divine beauty. Here in India you will get to variety of people with different tastes coupled with variety of religions, casts and creed. You can dwell easily in any of the finest hotels which are located almost in all major and famous cities in India. There are plenty of places to visit from North end to the southern end, and from east to west. To begin with, I must suggest that you ought to travel by Air or by Private Rented Cab and carry your own food and water (Unless you are in your luxury Hotel) You can stay in Mumbai which is the Financial Capital of India and has got access to each and every destination in India and Abroad mostly by Rail, Air and by roads. There are quiet a few local Airlines which can make your travel comfortable and affordable too. To name a few, according to their rankings, we have Jet Air Ways – http://www.jetairways.com/Cultures/en-US/HomePage.htm Air Sahara - http://203.199.70.135/airsahara/index.jsp Kingfisher Airlines – http://www.flykingfisher.com/ Indian Airlines - http://indian-airlines.nic.in/scripts/index.asp Air India Express - http://www.airindiaexpress.in/airindiaexpress/Support.asp Air Deccan - http://www.airdeccan.net/airdeccan/home.asp SpiceJet - http://www.spicejet.com/ Following Sites can very useful: http://www.journeymart.com/dexplorer/asiais/india/default.asp http://www.india-tourism.com/ To name a few: The places you can visit in West of India are as follows: 1] Mumbai (Financial Capital) which is the host city for all major events, films, star attractions, Airports, Financial Institutions, Temples, Beaches, Pubs and night life. 2] Goa - The Finest Destination in India for Beach Lovers. http://www.amchogoa.com/ The places you can visit in South of India are as follows: 1] Bangalore – The IT Capital of India 2] Kerala – The famous destination for exotic landscapes, coconut trees, sea shores and Spas. http://www.kerala.gov.in/ 3] Ooty – Famous Hill Station 4] KanyaKumari – The southern end of India which is closely connected to Srilanka which is famous for SWAMI VIVEKANANDA ROCK MEMORIAL http://www.kanyakumari.tn.nic.in/ and http://www.kanyakumari.com/local.htm The places you can visit in North of India are as follows: 1] New Delhi – Capital of India 2] Jammu and Kashmir – You must have visited many tourist spots in US, Canada, Central Europe but Kashmir is unique and is known as Heaven on Earth. Kashmir offers richness of culture, beauty, hospitality and picnic spots for mind and body relaxation 3] Rajasthan – This city is famous for its Famous Castles, Beautifully decorated ancient palaces, The cities like Jaipur and Udaypur will hold you for days and weeks for their eternal beauty and eye catching spots. 4] Agra - Where you get to see our Grand Special and Big Taj Mahal made up of Marble Stone and each and every person who has ever fallen in love at some point of time in his life, must must must visit Taj Mahal. The places you can visit in East of India are as follows: 1] Andaman and Nicobar Islands – These islands and very famous picnic spots for tourists as well actors and actresses for their shooting and outings. 2] Orissa – Famous for its temples and clothing accessories. There are lot of places to visit but I could name very few. I hope this info. Is very useful and you will be able to make best out of it. I hope your stay in India brings you joy, happiness and comfort at economical price. We welcome you to have a memorable stay in INDIA. If you need any help feel free to mail anyone of us, and we would be glad to help you out. I have attached few contact numbers in case you plane to have a base at Mumbai. These numbers will be very useful to you. IMPORTANT SERVICES Police 100 Ambulance 102 Police Control Room 2620111 /2151855 Traffic Control 4927238 Water 3766294 Home Guard 2424423 Weather Enquiry 2151606 Bombay University 2652825 / 2652822 Bombay University Kalina 6120841 Maharashtra State Board of Secondary 4093473 Higher Education 4093481 Doordarshan 4934672 All
Re: g_b shadowland and suicide
Kris - I went to the blog...sadly it is unaware that themuch reveredFamila the hijara leader in Bangalore committed suicide a year ago.. Elizabeth Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
g_b Alliance Magazine
Moderator - If www.Gaybombay.com would like to be considered for an article in Alliance Magazine...which is a full colour, monthly, middle-of-the-road LBGT magazine...published in Denver, Colorado...in the process of expanding its market from the westernstates to the full US national market.. Please respond to Dax Hartley, the publisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...and/or...Donna Red Wing, its editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...and consider this email your introduction by me to two very intelligent and successful American women.. Transgendered Voices, Inc. has agreed to advertise our projects in India in Alliance...because it reachesan intellectually alert andbroadmindedportion of the LBGT community...people thatall of uswill ultimately need to lead us into the future as members of general society.. Over the last 10 months I have noticedthat there are very many members of GayBombay that fit into Alliance's target market demographic as well.. Best.. Elizabeth Jeffords TGVoices.org Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Classifieds for personal advertisements are back on www.gaybombay.info site. Please exercise restraint in the language of your personal advertisement. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b police accused of shameful gay abuse in the U.S
Dax - Could you look at this report and ask Donna Red Wing to review it as wellI am afraid that it is another case of Gays cruelly using the TG community as cannon fodder... This could be an interesting article for you toresearch to help bring the TG Community at-large into the US mainstream...through your excellent LBGT magazine ...Alliance.. Most of us are proud of ourselves and the great successes members of our community regularly achieve in the US...it always saddens me when people claiming to support us actually undermine us by separating us from the other members of general societywith whom we live because ofour supposed supportersagendas need to flog their own devils.. One person mentioned in the report was identified as a 100,000 dollar a year business person who went on welfare after transitioning from Male to Female.. Most of the rest of the TGs were identified with all the 'National Enquirer' buzz of Bikers from Hell or Two-headed Goats...not the simple humans living simple lives that most TGsthat I know are.. Lord knows i would be scared to live next door to anybody TG or not with a proclivity to be involved with evil civil servants on a regular basis.. I question whether the authors of this report really know much about the US TG community, its size, its variety and most of all its success.. Elizabeth In a message dated 9/26/2005 11:52:14 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As a 55 year old TG who has never been abused by police or general public anywhere in the US during the last 37 years since I identified myself as TG...I would be very interested in reading this report...I guess I do not run with the right crowd...I am very intrigued to see who is in this crowd...If anybody in the group knows how or where to get the report please tell me and us..Elizabeth Jeffords - executive directorTransgendered Voices, Inc. - a wyoming not-for-profit===higood to see your mail after such a long timeyou can either download the entire report or read the key findings at http://www.amnestyusa.org/outfront/stonewalled/regardsmoderatorIn a message dated 9/26/2005 9:04:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:police accused of "shameful" gay abuseEric Johnston, Gay.com/PlanetOut.com NetworkFriday 23 September, 2005 14:03 |Police mistreatment and abuse of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people is widespread in the United States, according to a report released by Amnesty International (AI) that describes a "shameful state of affairs" in the relationship between the LGBT community and law enforcement."Stonewalled: Police abuse and misconduct against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people in the United States" is a 150-plus page report that AI called the most comprehensive report of its kind to date. The document focused on four cities -- Chicago, Los Angeles, New York and San Antonio -- but also includes information from surveys of the 50 largest police departments in the country, as well as hundreds of interviews and testimonies. "Quite simply, Amnesty International's new report finds that police abuse and misconduct against members of the LGBT community is a persistent and widespread problem across the United States," said Dr William F. Schulz, executive director of Amnesty International USA.The allegations against some law enforcement officers range from unfair searches and detentions, to verbal abuse, to violent physical and sexual abuse, including abuses that are "tantamount to torture", according to Schulz. The report gives several detailed and graphic examples.In one case, Frederick Mason, 31, a gay African-American man who was arrested by Chicago police following an altercation with his landlord, alleged that officers handcuffed and raped him with a baton that had been dipped in cleaning fluid.In another, police officers allegedly beat, hog-tied and dragged Kelly McAllister, a white transgender woman, across hot pavement upon her arrest in Sacramento, California. She was placed in a Sacramento County Main Jail cell with a male inmate who struck, choked, bit and raped her. That inmate received a mere three-month sentence, while no officer was been disciplined for the incidents surrounding Kelly's incarceration. According to the report, transgender people, ethnic minorities and youth are the most likely to suffer mistreatment. The study also indicates incidents go largely unchecked because of underreporting and unclear, under-enforced or nonexistent policies and procedures.The AI report did point out some initiatives taken by several police departments to improve their practices. For instance, the city of West Hollywood, California established a
Re: g_b police accused of shameful gay abuse in the U.S
As a 55 year old TG who has never been abused by police or general public anywhere in the US during the last 37 years since I identified myself as TG...I would be very interested in reading this report...I guess I do not run with the right crowd...I am very intrigued to see who is in this crowd... If anybody in the group knows how or where to get the report please tell me and us.. Elizabeth Jeffords - executive director Transgendered Voices, Inc. - a wyoming not-for-profit === hi good to see your mail after such a long time you can either download the entire report or read the key findings at http://www.amnestyusa.org/outfront/stonewalled/ regards moderator In a message dated 9/26/2005 9:04:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: police accused of shameful gay abuse Eric Johnston, Gay.com/PlanetOut.com Network Friday 23 September, 2005 14:03 | Police mistreatment and abuse of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people is widespread in the United States, according to a report released by Amnesty International (AI) that describes a shameful state of affairs in the relationship between the LGBT community and law enforcement. Stonewalled: Police abuse and misconduct against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people in the United States is a 150-plus page report that AI called the most comprehensive report of its kind to date. The document focused on four cities -- Chicago, Los Angeles, New York and San Antonio -- but also includes information from surveys of the 50 largest police departments in the country, as well as hundreds of interviews and testimonies. Quite simply, Amnesty International's new report finds that police abuse and misconduct against members of the LGBT community is a persistent and widespread problem across the United States, said Dr William F. Schulz, executive director of Amnesty International USA. The allegations against some law enforcement officers range from unfair searches and detentions, to verbal abuse, to violent physical and sexual abuse, including abuses that are tantamount to torture, according to Schulz. The report gives several detailed and graphic examples. In one case, Frederick Mason, 31, a gay African-American man who was arrested by Chicago police following an altercation with his landlord, alleged that officers handcuffed and raped him with a baton that had been dipped in cleaning fluid. In another, police officers allegedly beat, hog-tied and dragged Kelly McAllister, a white transgender woman, across hot pavement upon her arrest in Sacramento, California. She was placed in a Sacramento County Main Jail cell with a male inmate who struck, choked, bit and raped her. That inmate received a mere three-month sentence, while no officer was been disciplined for the incidents surrounding Kelly's incarceration. According to the report, transgender people, ethnic minorities and youth are the most likely to suffer mistreatment. The study also indicates incidents go largely unchecked because of underreporting and unclear, under-enforced or nonexistent policies and procedures. The AI report did point out some initiatives taken by several police departments to improve their practices. For instance, the city of West Hollywood, California established a Transgender Task Force to address policing issues. Washington DC created a Gay and Lesbian Liaison Unit staffed by four full-time officers and 10 volunteers. Two-thirds of police departments reported providing training on hate crimes against LGBT individuals. But while most departments offer training on sexual assault (86 percent), only about half (52 percent) include LGBT-specific issues. The report concluded that despite some positive initiatives, police departments nationwide needed to do more to protect LGBT people, specifically by increasing training and accountability. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Help save the life of a child. Support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. http://us.click.yahoo.com/ons1pC/lbOLAA/E2hLAA/WfTolB/TM ~- Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at
Re: g_b Gay Lesbian party on 23rd July 05 at Mafia.......Bangalore
In a message dated 7/20/2005 12:53:09 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi everyone,I am happy to announce the upcoming gay n lesbian party and this time its on Saturday night, yes you read it right! The theme is Men in Black, so guys... please be a sport and stick to the theme. The details are as under: Are TGs welcome at your party?? I know many in B'lore.. Best.. Elizabeth Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b India clears trials for AIDS vaccine/Richard Gere leaves AIDS home in...
There are thousands of private charities in the USA and the West that assist the disadvantaged and AIDS suffers...many, many of them are Leftist or populist in their goals...I would recommend that this AIDS orphanage learn these NGOs individual requirements for funding...and to try to exceed their requirements...especially for accountability and quantitative results...for many of the organizations a 200,000 dollar budget is less than 5 percent of their annual assistance to charitable programs...so a proper presentation could easily raise the funds they have currently lost for their programs.. There are many wonderful people on this list with the computer and writing skills to help this organization in this matter...please step up to the plate you may be able to help save a life...GayBombay could even promote...the art of grant writing...the same way they are currently promoting the cuisine arts.. Elizabeth In a message dated 7/18/2005 12:36:43 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many Indians cannot afford anti-retroviral drugs, which cost Rs1,300 a month.Subject: Richard Gere leaves AIDS home in crisis as funding is axedGere leaves Aids home in crisis as funding is axedActor withdraws from a project he helped to start as his trustrefuses to extend its three-year contractDan McDougall in New Delhi, Sunday July 17, 2005The ObserverAnjali Gopalan is hunched at her cluttered desk casting her eyesover a bewildering array of paperwork.'It is impossible to get a grant in this country. The governmentwants bloody duplicates of everything,' she mutters, signing formafter form. 'Duplicates of duplicates, it is driving me crazy.'Behind her on the wall in the basement of the New Delhi Aidsorphanage she has run for 11 years, the figure staring from a largephotograph is unmistakable.The Hollywood star Richard Gere is holding a baby girl in his arms.In faded jeans and a black sweater with a woven Tibetan scarf drapedaround his neck, he looks every inch the globetrotting humanitarian.'One of our girls,' Gopalan, 47, gesturing at the baby in thephoto. 'She is six years old now and was abandoned outside a trainstation in Delhi as soon as she was able to walk. She had beenwandering around for half a day. She was diagnosed with Aids by astreet project and passed to us straight away. Nobody else wouldtake her.'Gere has earned his prominence on the office wall at the NazFoundation unit for Aids orphans which lies in a cramped southernsuburb in the southern recesses of India's capital. As the charity'smain and, at times, sole benefactor for the past three years, he hashelped establish the only such orphanage in northern India and oneof only a handful in the entire country.Through his Gere Foundation India Trust, based in Delhi, which helpsa number of projects in the sub-continent, the actor has helped giverefuge and constant medication for 30 Aids orphans aged between twoand 12, ploughing almost $200,000 into the project.Yet the orphanage's worst nightmare was realised last week whenGere's money dried up. His trust refused to extend its three-yearcommitment to the project.Gere's representatives say they have done what they had agreed. ButGopalan, the founder and manager of the foundation, said thedecision was potentially catastrophic. 'Richard has done so, so muchfor the orphanage and we had always hoped he would continue tosupport us.Gopalan claims Gere's trust told her that it was no longer focusingits energies on the specific care of Aids victims.'For the past 12 months we have seen money from the West beinglargely ploughed into Aids education and prevention, normally withstrong caveats on how the money is used.'The concern for me and others who work with child victims of thedisease is obvious. The strategy - for which Richard Gere has nevershown any support - is not reflective of heartfelt investment but ofUS foreign policy aggressively promoting Christian [sexual]abstinence. Aids sufferers, it seems, no longer fit into theequation.'Earlier this year Britain signalled a rift with America over Aids,publicly rejecting President George Bush's doctrine that abstinenceis the best way to stop the epidemic spreading.The Bush administration has pledged $15 billion for Aids work in thenext five years, but the bulk of it will go to programmes thatstress abstinence.While this is not true of Gere's foundation, Gopalan claims a numberof major US donors have told her that 'investment' in Aids victimswas no longer 'economically viable'.'My honest opinion today is that donors in the United States inparticular no longer see victims of Aids as a measured investment,and believe me it has been put to me in those exact terms by anumber of privately-run charities,' she added.'I'm sure looking at their own spreadsheets their argument is
Re: g_b Transgender woman dies after silicone shot
Rajiv - Sadly this TGs death is not an isolated situation...'pumpimg parties' are very popular where ever there are a large number of Crossdressers...who are under-employed or unemployed in the USA...sadly not just deaths but permanently disfiguring results are very common.. I do not know what can be done except more warnings to potential users...and for the crossdressing community and TSs to wean themselves from the masculine ideals of superficial femiinne beaty.. I heartily recommend Julia Serano...scientist and performer to all TGs who are confused as to whether they have transcended masculinity or are actually living according to masculine ideals in a quasifeminine mask.. Elizabeth -Original Message- From: Rajivv Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:09:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: g_b Transgender woman dies after silicone shot it was really bad to hear about the death of a transexual. The death is a lesson for all those who want to ve such experiences. May her soul rest in peace. Rajiv coffebeans2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Transgender woman dies after silicone shot PlanetOut Network published Monday, July 11, 2005 One of two transgender women who became severely ill last month after receiving silicone injections at a party died Sunday at a hospital in San Diego. Patricio Gonzalez, 45, was hospitalized June 19 after receiving injections during a pumping party in the University Heights section of San Diego. At the event, five transgender women reportedly paid for injections from an unlicensed practitioner, who is now wanted by police. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: g_b pls help me
In a message dated 7/10/2005 6:52:34 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hii am 20 years old.i am staying in bombay. i like to wear female dress for more time as possible as . but the problem is i dont know how to wear ,how to make up as a girl .i dont heve any female cloths also. thats why i need a friend. who solve my problem. pls help me contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] they are centered in Mumbai and someone there should be able to help you.. Elizabeth Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b sincere apologies - yellow roses
Moderator - Nothing bothers me...so long as you are nothaving to change your scent as well...my computer feels so much more at ease when it is opening one of your missives.. Elizabeth In a message dated 7/9/2005 12:26:11 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hi guyssorry, but my computer had a nervrous breakdown and finally despite being put on a life support, it went from bad to worse. had to replace it with a new system. now , i hope, i will be able to clear mails more systematically and run the list as well or as bad (take your pick) as i did beforethank you for having the paitence.regardsmoderator Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b WORK WORK WORK.....
The Full Length Wyoming and South Australia Version.. Cowboy A - You know my ranch is so big it takes me all day toride from one side of it to the other side.. Cowboy B - Yup...I know what you are talking about...I used to have a horse like that myself.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WORKWORKWORKA long time ago, there was an Emperorwho told his horsemanthat if he could ride on his horse and cover as much land area as he likes, thenthe Emperor would give him the area of land he has covered. Sure enough, the horseman quickly jumped onto his horse and rode as fast as possible to cover as much land area as he could.He kept on riding and riding, whipping the horseto go as fast as possible. When he was hungry or tired, he did not stop because he wanted to cover as much area as possible.Came to a point when he had covered a substantial area and he was exhaustedand wasdying. Then he asked himself, "Why did I push myself so hard to cover so much land area? Now I am dyingand I only need a very small area to burymyself." Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b Gay men lead rush for makeovers, surgeons say
GBoys - Sowhat is wrong with a person who has plastic surgery to make themselves with feel good...I would much rather have a significant other who had had liposuction or a rhinoplasty...than one that reverts to overeating, drugs, drinking, smoking or risky socialand sexual intercourse to find happiness.. But then I am from the USA not AUS...not matter how much I love to live in Adelaide when I am there.. Love.. Elizabeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gay men lead rush for makeovers, surgeons sayBy Clay LucasJuly 3, 2005Australian men are going under the knife in greater numbers, withdoctors saying the gay community is driving a surge in plasticsurgery.The Australian Society of Plastic Surgeons says gay Australian men arefollowing their US counterparts and leading the charge for cosmeticsurgery, although gay groups dispute this."Twenty years ago, it was very uncommon for men outside theentertainment industry having cosmetic surgery. Now we see 10 to 15per cent men," Dr Howard Webster, a Melbourne plastic surgeon andVictorian spokesman for the society, said.Much of that growth had come from the gay community, the society said."The gay community has a much higher uptake of cosmetic surgery aspart of their lives than middle-class, white-collar suburbia," DrWebster said. "They are the biggest male group getting cosmeticsurgery. But they're still far less than women."Most common procedures for men were liposuction and upper and lowereyelid surgery, Dr Webster said.Liposuction could cost $2000 to $3000, he said, although this excludedhospital and anaesthetic costs.Eyelid work could cost from $1500 to $5000.The society says more people are having cosmetic surgery in Australia,although it could not supply the figures."There is an increasing demand for plastic surgery here, especiallywith the awareness in the community up after the makeover shows," DrWebster said.There is no national system for collecting data on cosmetic surgery inAustralia. The most recent reliable numbers come from a 1999 NSWGovernment inquiry that said 50,000 Australians had cosmetic surgeryeach year.There was a 16 per cent jump in the number of men having plasticsurgery in the US between 2000 and last year, according to theAmerican Society of Plastic Surgeons, with 1.2 million operations onon US men last year.Gay groups disputed the claim it was the gay community fuelling theincrease in cosmetic surgery."It is straight men who are doing it - not gay men," Troy Gurr, editorof the newspaper Melbourne Community Voice, said."There is so much more pressure now on straight men to look good," he said."I know an awful lot of gay men who use botox, but they will draw theline at actual surgery."But I'm not sure straight men draw that line."OPERATION VANITY· Liposuction - removal of fat· Eyelid surgery· Abdominoplasty - removal of excess skin from the middle and lowerabdomen, to reduce protrusion· Rhinoplasty and septoplasty - altering appearance of the nose· Facial rejuvenation - surgery to lift sagging or deepening foldsaround mouth, brow or neckLESS COMMON PROCEDURES· Chest implants - solid silicone placed beneath pectoral muscles· Calf implants - solid silicone implants inserted from behind theknee and moved into position underneath the calf muscleSOURCE: The Linley Clinic, Canterbury; American Society for AestheticPlastic Surgery-- www.gaybombay.info Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
g_b Re: Boulder Pride E-Lert for July 1-11th, 2005
Gaybombay and Sampoorna- If anybody here likes rural action, muscles or queens...you will love this event.. I would even hop on a plane to Mumbai or Delhi...to watch...if they had Gay Rodeos in those cities.. Best.. Elizabeth July 9 10 What: Rocky Mountain Regional Rodeo Hosted by: The Colorado Gay Rodeo Association (CGRA) Where: Jefferson County Fairgrounds in Golden, CO. More info: www.cgra.net Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html SPONSORED LINKS Bombay india Cause and effect essay Causes of depression Lgbt Woman seeking woman YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
g_b Rocky MTN Gay Rodeo - Denver/Golden Colorado
www.cgra.net Where else but at Gay Rodeos does the Royalty include both a Miss Rodeo and a Ms Rodeo Queen?? I let you figure out from the pic the gender and potential sexuality of the winners.. Best Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "gay_bombay" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
g_b Fwd: EQUAL RIGHTS COLORADO ACTION ALERT: March with ERC in Pride Fest Parade
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g_b Good People !!! and Bad Behavior..
BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. (June 19) - Janet Jackson was in no mood for jokes when she got a cheeky introduction from actor Alan Cumming as she received a humanitarian award from a gay rights group. After Cumming joked that she was never one for controversy, Jackson apologized for her own lack of humor in her first public appearance since brother Michael Jackson's acquittal on child molestation charges. "My family and I have just gone through the least humorous chapter of our lives," she explained in accepting the award Saturday night from the Human Rights Campaign. "I'm going to leave the jokes to the late-night (comics), if that's OK." Michael Jackson was acquitted June 13 following a four-month trial on charges he molested a 13-year-old cancer survivor at his Neverland ranch in 2003. "What I've learned in these recent months is that there is a light at the end of the tunnel," Janet Jackson said. "And it's real, it's a beautiful light that both comforts our minds and strengthens our souls. Tonight my heart is filled with gratitude for that light. I'm so grateful that prayers are answered, that faith is rewarded and tolerance is celebrated as a virtue. I'm grateful that God is of unconditional love." Jackson was honored for the millions of dollars she has both raised and donated for humanitarian causes, notably the American Foundation for AIDS Research, the Elton John AIDS Foundation and the Children Affected by AIDS Foundation. She received a standing ovation from the hundreds of $250-$375-a-plate contributors who crammed the Beverly Hilton Hotel ballroom. Jackson told the crowd, "Acceptance is right. Kindness is right. Love is right. I pray, right now, that we're moving into a kinder time when prejudice is overcome by understanding; when narrow-mindedness, and narrow-minded bigotry is overwhelmed by open-hearted empathy; when the pain of judgmentalism is replaced by the purity of love." 06-19-05 16:09 EDT Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
g_b Chicken!!!
Subject: PRIZESJohn the farmer was in the fertilized egg business. He had several hundred young layers (hens), called pullets and eight or ten roosters, whose job was to fertilize the eggs. The farmer kept records and any rooster that didn't perform went into the soup pot and was replaced.That took an awful lot of his time so he bought a set of tiny bells and attached them to his roosters. Each bell had a different tone so John could tell from a distance, which rooster was performing. Now he could sit on the porch and fill out an efficiency report simply by listening to the bells.The farmer's favorite rooster was old Butch, a very fine specimen he was, too. But on this particular morning John noticed old Butch's bell hadn't rung at all! John went to investigate. The other roosters were chasing pullets, bells-a-ringing. The pullets, hearing the roosters coming, would run for cover. BUT, to Farmer John's amazement, Butch had his bell in his beak, so it couldn't ring. He'd sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next one.John was so proud of Butch, he entered him in the county fair. Butch became an overnight sensation among the judges. The result: the judges not only awarded Butch the "No Bell Piece Prize" but they also awarded him the "Pulletsurprise" as well.Clearly Butch was a Politician in the making. Who else but a politician could figure out how to win two of the most highly coveted awards on our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing them when they weren't paying attention? Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b THE RAINBOWFESTIVAL 2005 : Kolkata Gay Pride
Okay girls...get your butts and/or bucks down to Kolkata/Calcutta.. See you there.. Elizabeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: integration society [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat Jun 11, 2005 7:01 pm Subject: THE RAINBOWFESTIVAL 2005 : Kolkata Gay Pride looks for your support integrations... T H E R A I N B O W F E S T I V A L 24th to 26th JUNE 2005 KOLKATA, INDIA Commemorating Stonewall Riots Day, June 1969 The beginning of the Gay Liberation Movement II II\ IIIA venture by INTEGRATION Society, Kolkata, India Dear Friends, Here's wishing all of you success and joy, encompassed in the vibrant colors of the Rainbow! Colors connote the Rainbow, which affords all of us happiness and joy; where we are different and yet together. About INTEGRATION Society . . . INTEGRATION Society, Kolkata has been working as a Communication Initiative on Health and Human Rights for the Youth and Sexual Minorities since 1999, it has taken up quite a few events that have given the issues of alternative sexuality quite a public visibility. Especially, The Rainbow Festival, the only Gay Pride of India happening in Kolkata since 1999, has made a remarkable space in the media and among the public. Visibility being the prime objective INTEGRATION Society picks up events that are not only media sensational but also with strong voices and recommendations. From audio play to short film, from poster presentation to art and craft exhibition all had been executed by INTEGRATION Society, Kolkata since the beginning of its journey. About THE RAINBOW FESTIVAL . . . Among all the activities what Integration Society has earned a space for in India, is organizing THE RAINBOW FESTIVAL, the most impact-making event concerning people with alternative sexual orientation and gender Identity. This is to commemorate the Stonewall Riots Day, June 26, 1969, the red lettered day in the history of the social movement of gay liberation. Today, in India, with a different set of developmental and rights issues to grapple with, more than 100 groups, over last few decades have been showing admirable and encouraging efforts in running the socio-political movement of people with alternative sexuality and gender identity towards achieving a healthy and safe lifestyle and space. But it is still not enough to do away with all kinds of discrimination, stigma, taboo and harassment that GLBT people face in this country. Not enough to ensure equal space and dignity for every individual irrespective of their class, cast, language, religion, sexual preferences and so on. How we Celebrate THE RAINBOW FESTIVAL . . . INTEGRATION Society as an initiator organizing this Pride walk since 1999 in Kolkata. A great concept coming from Mr. Owais Khan in 1999 naming it as 'FRIENDSHIP WALK' has gradually evolved in to a festival and became popular as 'THE RAINBOW FESTIVAL', has achieved an increasing popularity over these years. By 2004, the city had seen the greater gathering around the Rainbow Festival and felt the presence of GLBT communities throughout India raising a chorus for their rights To Love And To Be Loved. Organisiations Like Companions On A Journey from Shrilanka, Naz Foundation from Delhi, Fellowship From Orissa, Amtie, Bandhan, DMSC, PLUS, Prataya, SAATHII, Swikriti from Kolkata and so many individuals from various parts of the world coming together we were about 300 friends that matched steps with each other and sang chorus for equality and dignity. For the cultural events mainstream performing art groups like Sapphire Creations, OnStage, X-Pose and quite a few talented individuals with their solo performances have expressed support and solidarity to this greater cause in different years. The last time was remarkable not only in terms of the number of participants, also looking at the variety, including some lesbian friends showing up for the first time, it gained a real feeling of togetherness. The mainstream, the women groups, other developmental initiatives, Kolkata Police and the media increasingly have come around supporting this mega event. Needless to mention that it is always YOUR contribution that brought all the success to THE RAINBOW FESTIVAL. In a country like India, in a society like ours, sexuality still being dumped under the carpet, YOU, from that very society standing up beside us is undoubtedly deserve a great salute. This year, the effort is to increase the periphery of partners in this venture by encouraging more organisations and individuals, be them community, be them mainstream to match steps with us and share the joy and happiness of being together. The idea is to create a stage to embrace and celebrate diverse, disjointed and different sexualities where you can meet, interact, speak, explore, discover your true self and
g_b Fwd: Governor Owens' veto of SB05-28
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g_b Fwd: GV Spot -- Gay Pride and June Brides!
Moderators do what you wish with this...just thought it might spice up your day.. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == NEW CLASSIFIEDS SECTION SEEKING FRIENDS? VISIT www.gaybombay.info click on classified section and type your message in the post section once the link opens This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. For Parties and events go to: http://calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,04497/srt,0/gaybombaygroup/?v=42POS= Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---BeginMessage--- Title: GV Spot -- June 2, 2005 To see this newsletter in plain text, please change your mailing preferences. June 2, 2005 In This Issue: Get Off Cheap! Gay Pride and June Brides! In the Magazine View from the Top and Call Center Confessions --Hot, Hot, Hot! Buzzing Bride Gift Guide It's June and you're on wedding number six in terms of friends getting hitched/bachelor(ette) parties you have to attend/gifts you have to buy. Well, we've taken the pain out of gift-procurement by finding and assembling an entire page of key items guaranteed to delight any discerning about-to-be-married person! Check out Buzzing Bride Gift Guide and cut your shopping time in half! Gay Pride and June Brides! Hot Monogamy Kama Sutra Pleasure Balm It's June. You're out and about and proud and, oh, by the way, every single person you know is getting married! No worries. We here at GV, have compiled the definitive list of things that are perfect for helping the bride-to-be celebrate her impending attachment in an appropriate manner. (Forget that the little darling probably hasn't blushed in years!) Help the newlyweds start off on the right foot with this great little tome on how to keep monogamy (should that be the way they choose to structure their marriage) HOT! Hot Monogamy by Dr. Patricia Love and Jo Robinson (Was $15.00, now only $13.50.) Good Head Gel Cupcake Pan Penis/Boobs Kama Sutra Pleasure balm (was $14.00, now only $11.95) and Good Head Gel (was $14.00, now only $10.95) are sure to be hits throughout the honeymoon. And, of course, let us not forget that even before the nuptials take place, there's usually one heck of a party! Make it an affair to remember by using these ingenious Cup Cake Pans to produce adorably delectable cupcakes in the shape of tiny Penises and Boobs ($12.00, now only $9.95 each). Martha Stewart eat your heart out! Yes, Virginia, being the "hostess with the most-ess" really is that simple! Then, when you're through being "the best bachelorette party planner EVER!" you can take your fabulous self "to the streets!" to celebrate the queerer side of things with some of the sexier members of the wedding party! For the full listing of products, check out our Get Off Cheap! Sale page and get off... cheap! View from the Top and Call Center Confessions --Hot, Hot, Hot! Finally! Our esteemed GV on-line Magazine editor has returned from London, where, she assures us, she needed to go in order to "continue meeting her on-going job commitments!" -- "Travel clears the mind!" she announced, packing her best silk ties and her red lipstick, "besides, I heard they're having sex over there and I figure I can do a little reconnaissance work!" Well, we're not exactly sure how much work she managed to get accomplished while she was away (although, she did take her Gal-pal along so we're pretty sure at least one thing got done!) but, we're pleased as punch that she's back and (more importantly) continuing to write about her friends. Check out
g_b Fwd: BAD:June First Friday - Pride and US Open Update
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g_b Re: Must-see
I got this not from a girl I have known since second grade...who writes for a major magazine in London now.. Has anybody seen the show and/or have a copy they would to send me.. Elizabeth?? Youd love this program that was on Channel 4 here last night. I disagree with the review somewhat I thought it was very sensitively and sympathetically done and featured many useful contributions from biologists and geneticists. It also featured a hija household. The filmaker, Antony Thomas, is highly regarded (he made this famous doc called Death of A Princess several years ago). Anyway, if you can get the C4 press dept. to send you a tape you should definitely take a look.xx EllinMiddle Sex (Channel 4). Directed by Antony Thomas, the award-winning film-maker who made Death of a Princess, it explored the plight of the global transgender community. From ladyboys in Bangkok to a theatrical 8-year-old from the American Midwest, Thomas took us on a whistle-stop tour of alternative sexuality, highlighting the difficulties and prejudice that these people face.The picture was made up of individual stories, some horrid, others more encouraging. Sylvia Guerreros daughter Gwen was killed by a gang of crazed boys when they discovered that she was in fact a he. Their rage was a response to the realisation that they were attracted to in some cases sleeping with a boy. It made them doubt their own sexuality: one was heard to say: I cant be gay, I cant. Meanwhile, a little boy called Noah practised his disco dancing and showed us how to tie a leopard-print scarf as a skirt while his parents explained how much they loved him. His mothers greatest fear was the future. Fifty per cent of transgender people will either kill themselves or be killed, she said sadly.This was a remarkable documentary, but more because of the people featured than the experts or the programme itself. There is always an element of voyeurism to these sort of things, and the makers failed to neutralise that, dwelling too long on unnecessary details. It also lacked a certain moral fibre. I would never judge anyone according to their sexuality, but I dont like pornography of any sort, and too much credibility was given to a man who had married a lady boy and set up a pornographic transgender website. Its a sad fact that an exploitative sex industry is precisely where transgender people tend to end up. It was wrong to be endorsing that, however passively. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == NEW CLASSIFIEDS SECTION SEEKING FRIENDS? VISIT www.gaybombay.info click on classified section and type your message in the post section once the link opens This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. For Parties and events go to: http://calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,04497/srt,0/gaybombaygroup/?v=42POS= Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
g_b Fwd: gb Ismail passes away
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g_b Re: gb Ismail passes away
Zia Jaffrey is a wonderful Indo-American as well as a wonderful writer to read...remember 'The Invisibles'.. Elizabeth .. Time, jaffrey writes: Dear Elizabeth, Thank you for that. I hope you are well. We are all grieving Ismail's loss. He was like an uncle to me, there the day I was born. (One of the hijras in Heat and Dust was a subject in my book, as well.) Anyway. A great light is gone... If you are ever in New York, I'd love to meet you. Best, Zia Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == NEW CLASSIFIEDS SECTION SEEKING FRIENDS? VISIT www.gaybombay.info click on classified section and type your message in the post section once the link opens This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. For Parties and events go to: http://calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,04497/srt,0/gaybombaygroup/?v=42POS= Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b Re: Hong Kong Trade Talks
In a message dated 5/27/2005 12:51:43 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. Um... olives don't grow in India. Vikram Vikram - Any reason??...you definitely have similar lands to South Australia and the Mediterranean...we can grow avocados, aloe vera and the best pink grapefruit...in South Texas??.. Do you have another ag product to recommend that we could add value to and sell at a premium?? Elizabeth --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been thinking about a hijara/eunuch olive oil collective or agricultural cooperative...you know like our sequestered Benedictine and Trappist siblings do with booze and jam...I bet we could stuff the shelves of the 'Whole Foods' and independent health food stores in the USA...with politically correct green, black and mixed olives...and varietal and blended extra, extra, extra virgin Indian olive oil Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater? Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/MCfFmA/SOnJAA/E2hLAA/WfTolB/TM ~- Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == NEW CLASSIFIEDS SECTION SEEKING FRIENDS? VISIT www.gaybombay.info click on classified section and type your message in the post section once the link opens This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. For Parties and events go to: http://calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,04497/srt,0/gaybombaygroup/?v=42POS= Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
g_b Re: Hong Kong Trade Talks
I have been thinking about a hijara/eunuch olive oil collective or agricultural cooperative...you know like our sequestered Benedictine and Trappist siblings do with booze and jam...I bet we could stuff the shelves of the 'Whole Foods' and independent health food stores in the USA...with politically correct green, black and mixed olives...and varietal andblended extra, extra, extra virgin Indian olive oil.. Any altruistic potential Indian partners out there with similar rural merchandising interests??...we can compete with South America and Australia from here if we have the right products...and a good political and social climate around us.. Elizabeth The Road Warrior of Agriculture Dave Kohl05/24/05 The Corn Soybean Digest The Road Warrior writes: Over the years I have compared North America and its agriculture to South America. I have indicated that the vast agricultural potential to our south would have to demonstrate political and financial stability over a decade period before I would give them equal status. Have the cracks in the southern potential started to occur? In the 1980s, South America was a region of military dictators that were being replaced by democracy and capitalism. There was optimism that the market economics would lift these regions out of the doldrums. For a decade this occurred; however, storm clouds are emerging in these economies as some corrupt politicians have channeled the benefits away from the poor and middle classes. Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == NEW CLASSIFIEDS SECTION SEEKING FRIENDS? VISIT www.gaybombay.info click on classified section and type your message in the post section once the link opens This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. For Parties and events go to: http://calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,04497/srt,0/gaybombaygroup/?v=42POS= Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: g_b san francisco bay area,
In a message dated 5/20/2005 8:54:43 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i am in san francisco bay area, looking for indian and paki friends.nabil TGs??? Check out Carlas in SJ...near The Alameda...and www.tgsf.org in SF.. Elizabeth Group Site: http://www.gaybombay.info == NEW CLASSIFIEDS SECTION SEEKING FRIENDS? VISIT www.gaybombay.info click on classified section and type your message in the post section once the link opens This message was posted to the gay_bombay Yahoo! Group. Responses to messages (by clicking Reply) will also be posted on the eGroup and sent to all members. If you'd like to respond privately to the author of any message then please compose and send a new email message to the author's email address. For Parties and events go to: http://calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,04497/srt,0/gaybombaygroup/?v=42POS= Post:- gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com Subscribe:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digest Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] No Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individual Mail Mode:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Us:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives are at http://www.mail-archive.com/gay_bombay%40yahoogroups.com/maillist.html Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gay_bombay/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
