On Jan 3, 2012 2:30 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Jan 2, 2012 10:51 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com
wrote:
Greg, I do not care one bit how much commit activity happens at Trac.
As
long as there is some
,
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From: Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
I think
On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
As a person wanting to see Apache Bloodhound take off... yeah, I'm making a
judgement call on whether that can better occur at the ASF instead of
within the current Trac community. (fwiw, some of the ideas are
non-starters for Trac, so the
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
...I'm saying that the *ASF* should avoid judging. We allow competition among
projects. We accept projects with hard problems and low chances of success.
We accept
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com
wrote:
On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
...I'm saying that the *ASF* should avoid judging. We allow competition
among
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
The Trac community revolves mostly
around the plugins rather than the core. I see Bloodhound as improving
the core facilities (new features and hauling in certain plugins),
resulting in a better default distribution (right
On 1/3/2012 2:02 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Jan 3, 2012 2:30 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Jan 2, 2012 10:51 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com
wrote:
Greg, I do not care one bit how much commit activity happens at
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:48 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
... Folks, can we please find a better forum for religious This is the ASF
debates
to occur? And keep discussions non-toxic here on general@incubator?...
I don't perceive this thread as religious or toxic - I see a
On Jan 3, 2012 11:48 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
...
A PMC I am on had this exact conversation with board members several
months ago regarding a code base the project is dependent on that is
housed
outside the ASF which we were considering bringing in as a subproject.
On 1/3/2012 10:55 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:48 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net
wrote:
... Folks, can we please find a better forum for religious This is the ASF
debates
to occur? And keep discussions non-toxic here on general@incubator?...
I
Hey folks,
I felt I had to take a look at this. Like Ralph I was very concerned
when I saw Ethan's e-mail. Thanks a lot for writing it Ethan, and
thanks for writing it with so much detail.
I just read all the e-mail about bloodhound I could find (that I had
pretty much ignored when I saw other
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote:
... All in all I think bloodhound should continue on, and the incubator
PMC should trust the mentors to keep things on their current track
(hehe) of collaboration-where-possible, rather than turn this into an
overheated
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
wrote:
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote:
... All in all I think bloodhound should continue on, and the incubator
PMC should trust the mentors to keep things on their current track
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 06:34, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Hyrum K Wright
hyrum.wri...@wandisco.com wrote:
The Incubator proposal was publicized and discussed on trac-dev
*simultaneously* with the discussion on general@incubator, and the
Greg, I do not care one bit how much commit activity happens at Trac. As long
as there is some kind of active community it is improper to fork it without
their permission. As one of the responses on their email thread says, Its just
rude. You can choose to frame it however you want, but if the
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it important to highlight that trac-dev was notified on Dec 2
of the Bloodhound proposal, but Ethan and others didn't even notice
for three weeks. The activity level on trunk, and the active
committers can be seen on
On Jan 2, 2012 10:51 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
Greg, I do not care one bit how much commit activity happens at Trac. As
long as there is some kind of active community it is improper to fork it
without their permission.
Eh? You ever read the rules for revolutionaries
On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Jan 2, 2012 10:51 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
Greg, I do not care one bit how much commit activity happens at Trac. As
long as there is some kind of active community it is improper to fork it
without their permission.
FWIW, this link was used by Sam during the discussion I referred to below -
http://s.apache.org/QeN
Ralph
On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Jan 2, 2012 10:51 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
Greg, I do
Cc:
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it important to highlight that trac-dev was notified on Dec 2
of the Bloodhound proposal, but Ethan and others didn't
Hi,
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Hyrum K Wright
hyrum.wri...@wandisco.com wrote:
The Incubator proposal was publicized and discussed on trac-dev
*simultaneously* with the discussion on general@incubator, and the
reception was generally indifferent (as Greg mentioned earlier)
To add some
Thanks, Jukka.
What I find interesting is that most of the posts in the first thread are after
the vote had already closed here and it seems apparent they weren't even aware
the vote had taken place. From what I read there was a single initial comment
expressing discomfort about the proposal
I find this post disturbing. Had it been posted before the vote closed I most
certainly would have voted -1 as we don't encourage hostile forks at the ASF.
Ralph
On Dec 30, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Ethan Jucovy wrote:
-1
The Bloodhound proposal is to build an issue tracker by first importing the
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.comwrote:
I find this post disturbing. Had it been posted before the vote closed I
most certainly would have voted -1 as we don't encourage hostile forks at
the ASF.
I hadn't realized the vote was closed until after sending
Arguing about the vote procedure isn't likely to get you very far. At this
point, I would recommend that you hold a vote on the appropriate Trac mailing
list regarding approving or disapproving a fork and then forwarding that here.
If the existing community doesn't want a fork I would suspect
Agreed: we don't (and shouldn't) encourage hostile forks at the ASF.
This isn't a hostile fork.
From the beginning, the intention of Bloodhound has been to be to use
the existing Trac system as much as possible and to improve upon it.
After many private (and some public) conversations with
-1
The Bloodhound proposal is to build an issue tracker by first importing the
Trac core code into the Apache Subversion repository. As currently
planned, this project has potential to be detrimental to the existing Trac
brand and community, and it seems that the Bloodhound project's goals could
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From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org]
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011 6:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Bloodhound to join the Incubator
Hi,
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Hyrum K Wright
hyrum.wri
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 2:55 AM, Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au wrote:
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Hi,
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Hyrum K Wright
hyrum.wri...@wandisco.com wrote:
...I don't know what the proper procedure for vote counting is...
Usually you just change the subject to [RESULT][VOTE]... to make it
more obvious that you're tallying the vote, and we often list the
names of
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Hyrum K Wright
hyrum.wri...@wandisco.com wrote:
...Please vote on the acceptance of Bloodhound into the Apache
Incubator...
+1
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On Dec 19, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Hyrum K Wright wrote:
The proposal is available at [1] and its content is also included
below for your convenience.
Please vote:
[ ] +1 Accept Bloodhound for incubation
[ ] +0 Don't care
[ ] -1 Don't accept Bloodhound for incubation (please explain)
The
+1 (binding)
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 4:18 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Dec 19, 2011 1:55 PM, Hyrum K Wright hyrum.wri...@wandisco.com
wrote:
It seems discussion on Bloodhound has died down, so it's time to call
a VOTE. Please vote on the acceptance of Bloodhound into the
Please vote:
[X] +1 Accept Bloodhound for incubation
[ ] +0 Don't care
[ ] -1 Don't accept Bloodhound for incubation (please explain)
The world needs a great issue tracker, and starting from the Trac base is
Goodness.
Indeed.
+1
--
Best Regards,
-- Alex
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Hyrum K Wright
hyrum.wri...@wandisco.com wrote:
It seems discussion on Bloodhound has died down, so it's time to call
a VOTE. Please vote on the acceptance of Bloodhound into the Apache
Incubator.
The proposal is available at [1] and its content is also
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:55:17PM -0600, Hyrum K Wright wrote:
Please vote:
[ ] +1 Accept Bloodhound for incubation
[ ] +0 Don't care
[ ] -1 Don't accept Bloodhound for incubation (please explain)
+1 (binding)
Marvin Humphrey
+1 (binding)
Regards
JB
On 12/20/2011 06:47 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:55:17PM -0600, Hyrum K Wright wrote:
Please vote:
[ ] +1 Accept Bloodhound for incubation
[ ] +0 Don't care
[ ] -1 Don't accept Bloodhound for incubation (please explain)
+1 (binding)
Marvin
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To: general@incubator.apache.org
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It seems discussion on Bloodhound has died down, so it's time to call
+1 (binding)
Good luck guys!
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It seems discussion on Bloodhound has died down, so it's time to call
a VOTE. Please vote on the acceptance of Bloodhound into the Apache
Incubator.
The proposal is available at [1] and its content is also included
below for your convenience.
Please vote:
[ ] +1 Accept Bloodhound for incubation
On Dec 19, 2011 1:55 PM, Hyrum K Wright hyrum.wri...@wandisco.com wrote:
It seems discussion on Bloodhound has died down, so it's time to call
a VOTE. Please vote on the acceptance of Bloodhound into the Apache
Incubator.
The proposal is available at [1] and its content is also included
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