Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-12-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I say that Howard Lewis Ship is a skilled coder and community builder and if he wants to give it a try with HiveMind, while the topic bores me personally, I'll give him my support. If he does want to collaborate with the Avalonites (Avaloners?) then he should be encouraged to do so; however,

Re: jcs

2003-12-01 Thread Henri Yandell
Sounds like the basic problem is lack of community. Getting community involves publicity and time. Publicity involves web presence and a release. Unless the rest of the turbine community are highly interested in JCS, I'd suggest that joining Commons is the best way for you to gain community.

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-12-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On 11/30/03 11:56 PM, Stephen McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew: Why don't you just get to the issue. You chose to piss on project your not involved with, not interested in, and not even tracking. From this position, you chose to criticise both the project and me personally.

Re: jcs

2003-12-01 Thread Oliver Zeigermann
I agree to Henri JCS could need more publicity! I have implemented a transactional cache for the Jakarta Slide project as the only Apache caching thing I have found at that time was http://db.apache.org/ojb/objectcache.html which simply was not powerful enough. Even tought ojb caching took

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-12-01 Thread Stephen McConnell
Andrew C. Oliver wrote in haste: I say that Howard Lewis Ship is a skilled coder and community builder and if he wants to give it a try with HiveMind, while the topic bores me personally, I'll give him my support. If he does want to collaborate with the Avalonites (Avaloners?) then he should be

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-12-01 Thread Stephen McConnell
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Perhaps you missed that part of my message. No - I didn't miss anything. What you could do is try to add some rationalization around your arguments instead of making negative assertions about a project you are not involved with and are not interested in. The rest of

Re: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS

2003-12-01 Thread Bill Barker
- Original Message - From: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS On 11/30/03 6:57 PM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: What do the

RE: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-12-01 Thread Howard M. Lewis Ship
I prefer to see Hivemind established as a community (as far as I know Howard is the only member of the community ATM) before exploring as you say. I see no reason to deprive Howard of the opportunity to establish Hivemind and build a community. That's what is, in fact, surprising

Re: jcs

2003-12-01 Thread Serge Knystautas
Oliver Zeigermann wrote: Now information http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine/jcs/index.html tells me too little. Can someone explain: does it support any type of transactions or could it easily be augmented to? Hope this is not too much OT and thanks in advance, I think JCS is getting extra

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-12-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On 12/1/03 2:02 AM, Stephen McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: End of discussion. Excellent. -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? The

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-12-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
On 12/1/03 2:47 AM, Stephen McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought you ended our discussion? Okay I guess not. My point continues to be that I don't think Howard should be forced and that if HiveMind builds a community, it is perfectly welcome here regardless of cooperation with Avalon.

[HiveMind] Where?

2003-12-01 Thread Vic Cekvenich
I personally would like to use HiveMind for Struts, just like commons resources, beautils, validator, etc, were spun out of Struts so it could be shared, and placed in Commons or Commons Saundbox (a safe place to play). HiveMind AFAIK was a Tapestry Component, but could/should be used by

cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs/site agreement.xml roles.xml

2003-12-01 Thread rdonkin
rdonkin 2003/12/01 12:37:43 Modified:docs/site agreement.html roles.html xdocs/site agreement.xml roles.xml Log: Replaced text of Contributors License Agreement with link to main ASF site. This kind of information is best maintained in one place.

cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs/site newbie.xml

2003-12-01 Thread rdonkin
rdonkin 2003/12/01 13:31:49 Modified:docs/site newbie.html roles.html xdocs/site newbie.xml Log: Added more information about ASF email accounts and also a short section on web site maintenance. Revision ChangesPath 1.42 +99 -1

Re: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS

2003-12-01 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 1 Dec 2003, at 05:11, Scott Eade wrote: snip Without knowing too much, should perhaps JCS to db top level and JCS to db commons also be considered options? definitely :) Of the available options below I have selected jakarta commons more by excluding the other options than because of some

Re: jcs

2003-12-01 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 1 Dec 2003, at 09:57, Oliver Zeigermann wrote: I agree to Henri JCS could need more publicity! luckily enough it's apache newsletter time! i know from personal experience that writing up something for the newsletter really does generate interest. JCS sounds like something that people would

Re: jcs

2003-12-01 Thread James Taylor
I'm sure JCS would be much more widely used if we got out a release. Right now, the major impediment is that users have to build it themselves. If we had a release, more sample applications and further For a long time I hoped a release could be avoided until after the JCache JSR was at least in

[POLL] pmc alumni

2003-12-01 Thread robert burrell donkin
the problem --- 1. it's hard to keep track of which illustrious former pmc member's have not been nominated and which no longer feel they are not able to serve on the pmc. proposal create a new class of jakartaens: pmc alumni consisting of senior jakarta figures (typically

some reading for those considering their pmc nominations

2003-12-01 Thread robert burrell donkin
some bedtime reading for those people considering (or soon to be considering) whether to accept pmc membership: http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg? [EMAIL PROTECTED]msgNo=2642 we really need a much bigger pmc. please say yes :) - robert

Re: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS

2003-12-01 Thread Tim O'Brien
[ ] leave it within turbine [3] move it to apache commons [2] move it to jakarta commons [ ] move it to incubator [1] something else (please specify)... I think the ideal place for JCS is the DB Top Level Project. Second choice, Jakarta Commons, and

Re: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS

2003-12-01 Thread Martin Cooper
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: [I like Turbineers. :-) ] I am one of them, and I did some discussion about JCS @ ApacheCon with Martin Poeschl (who seems to do the odd fix to JCS because he uses it in Torque), another Turbineer. We basically were came to the same