Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2)

ta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:16:26 + Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2) Since the PMC cannot delegate its responsibilities, the report would have to be prepared by a PMC member, ideally one directly involved with subproject. (A likely su

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2)

Stephen. Ted Husted wrote: - Original message > From: Stephen Colebourne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:16:26 + Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2) Since th

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2)

CTED]> To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:16:26 + Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2) Since the PMC cannot delegate its responsibilities, the report would have to be prepared by a PMC member, ideally one directly involved with sub

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2)

On Dec 28, 2003, at 10:48 AM, Ted Husted wrote: - Original message > From: Stephen Colebourne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:16:26 +0000 Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2)

- Original message > From: Stephen Colebourne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:16:26 +0000 Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2) >> Since the PM

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2)

> -PROPOSITION (1)- > > * Require all Jakarta products (or subprojects) to file regular reports > with the PMC. You mean 'make each subproject work like a TLP' don't you? > Since the PMC cannot delegate its responsibilities, the report would > have to be prepared by a PMC member, ideally one direc

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2)

> -PROPOSITION (1)- > > * Require all Jakarta products (or subprojects) to file regular reports > with the PMC. You mean 'make each subproject work like a TLP' don't you? > Since the PMC cannot delegate its responsibilities, the report would > have to be prepared by a PMC member, ideally one direc

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

Exactly - lets not overdo this with too much process. Lets just get people who have genuine interest onto the PMC, covering the project(s) they work on, and then keep growing. geir On Dec 24, 2003, at 2:46 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: Post a list of projects and get PMC people to volunteer to pos

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

On Dec 24, 2003, at 12:11 PM, Costin Manolache wrote: Ted, I think we must focus on what we agree on - it seems nobody is against expanding the PMC to include most committers ( or all active committers who don't decline ). I'm not sure I understand Geir's current position, but I think he still

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2)

[PROPOSAL] As it ever were I've incorporated many of the suggestions made on the list and prepared another draft for community review. -ISSUE- The ASF Board has indicated that it does not believe that the Jakarta PMC, in its present form, is capable of providing oversight of all the subprojects u

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

Ted Husted wrote: (Again, sorry about the quoting.) o·ver·sight 1. An unintentional omission or mistake. 2. Watchful care or management; supervision The board expects PMCs to exercise (2) so as to avoid (1). :) For a PMC this boils down

RE: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

> As both Roy and Greg have said, if the Jakarta committers truly > understood how few rights and privileges they have, they would be > demanding both ASF and PMC membership. Few do, so few have. Well I kind of asked for PMC nomination, are you saying that we should, or indeed could, ask for m

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

Post a list of projects and get PMC people to volunteer to post reports, chase up CLAs and improve PMC-to-non-PMC ratio, and record who has volunteered. Keep going until all projects are covered by the minimum number, which can be 1 to start with. Hen On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, Ted Husted wrote: > (A

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

(Again, sorry about the quoting.) o·ver·sight 1. An unintentional omission or mistake. 2. Watchful care or management; supervision The board expects PMCs to exercise (2) so as to avoid (1). :) For a PMC this boils down to issues of "com

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

Ted, I think we must focus on what we agree on - it seems nobody is against expanding the PMC to include most committers ( or all active committers who don't decline ). I'm not sure I understand Geir's current position, but I think he still agrees we need to include most people. I don't think an

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

I apologize for not quoting. I'm experiencing technical difficulties and making do the best I can. I meant what I said. We must make an immediate, good faith effort to correct the false and misleading information in the Jakarta guidelines, and give all committers due notice of their true status

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

On Dec 24, 2003, at 6:28 AM, Ted Husted wrote: My complaint is this: Our current base of committers were led to believe they have binding votes. We are now told this is not the case. The committers we now have were all elected on the premise that they had binding votes and oversight responsibi

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

My complaint is this: Our current base of committers were led to believe they have binding votes. We are now told this is not the case. The committers we now have were all elected on the premise that they had binding votes and oversight responsibilities for their codebase. They were in fact ele

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Ted Husted wrote: > > Make release managers the default stewards My suggestion: Work out what people on the PMC are members of the PMC for. ie) I consider myself a Taglibs and Commons developer [both umberella projects so not great examples]. List which projects people ar

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:10:03 -0500 (Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were) Ted Husted wrote: > > steward > > The proposal is to expand the role of the moderator, rather than > invent an overlapping role with similar responsibilities. If the > volunteer is not up to

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

> Make release managers the default stewards Not every subproject has a clearly defined release manager. In Struts, we are even starting to have multiple people collaborate on the release manager role. The key to oversight is persistence. Since it is not possible for every committee member to

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

Ted Husted wrote: > steward The proposal is to expand the role of the moderator, rather than invent an overlapping role with similar responsibilities. If the volunteer is not up to task, then another volunteer can be sought. (Hence, the language about the Chair appointing another volunteer.) T

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

> steward The proposal is to expand the role of the moderator, rather than invent an overlapping role with similar responsibilities. If the volunteer is not up to task, then another volunteer can be sought. (Hence, the language about the Chair appointing another volunteer.) The idea is that th

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

+1 on almost everything I don't like the "PMC steward" thing - except for bootstraping the process. It also violates the rule that you can't volunteer other people:-) Also the "delegation" is not allowed by the board AFAIK, and I don't think it is a good idea to create another layer ( steward/mode

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

CTED]) On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:07:26 -0500 (Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were) Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: This is what I proposed some weeks ago. I think you would serve the community well if you also posted a summary of pros and cons that we had discussed. On Dec 21, 2003, at 6:14 PM, Ted Hu

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

Hello, folks. I am a moderator of three -dev lists in jakarta. What should I do next? Forwardin' this Pro-forma to each -dev lists? T.I.A. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:07:26 -0500 (Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were) Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > This i

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

This is what I proposed some weeks ago. I think you would serve the community well if you also posted a summary of pros and cons that we had discussed. On Dec 21, 2003, at 6:14 PM, Ted Husted wrote: Re: Proposal to grandfather Active Committers to Jakarta subprojects as PMC Members. As it sta