Re: [gentoo-dev] media-video/vlc looking for a new maintainer

2012-09-19 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 September 2012 04:01, Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi, After more than 5 years maintaining it (sh*t I'm old), I've progressively lost interest in it, to the point that I consider it is better that someone else takes care of it. So far I have dropped maintainership to the

[gentoo-dev] Inspiration

2012-09-19 Thread Ben de Groot
I just came across this again, and I think it could inspire us in some of our recent conversations: The Zen of Python Beautiful is better than ugly. Explicit is better than implicit. Simple is better than complex. Complex is better than complicated. Flat is better than

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-18 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 September 2012 03:18, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: Readability is more important, and there I still don't buy the argument that the new syntax is better, and that any gain would outweigh the cost of

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-18 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 September 2012 04:40, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:27:17 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:22:56 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:11:10 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh

Re: [gentoo-dev] example conversion of gentoo-x86 current deps to unified dependencies

2012-09-18 Thread Ben de Groot
On 16 September 2012 21:15, Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 03:39:22PM +0800, Ben de Groot wrote: Thanks. I have given it a quick overview for the qt herd. I still don't see what using DEPENDENCIES adds to what we do now with separate *DEPEND variables. I see

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: media-libs/gmyth, media-plugins/gst-plugins-mythtv, net-libs/libmonetra, dev-php/pecl-mcve, dev-vcs/svk, net-im/jabberd, net-p2p/sancho-bin, media-sound/xfi-drivers, app-mi

2012-09-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 September 2012 13:56, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Ben de Groot wrote: On 16 September 2012 23:40, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Pacho Ramos wrote: # Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org (16 Sep 2012) # Upstream keeps inactive for ages and, then, it has broke again # now

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 September 2012 18:55, Alex Alexander alex.alexan...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 17, 2012 6:13 AM, Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 07:32:39PM +0300, Alex Alexander wrote: On Sep 16, 2012 4:55 PM, Brian Harring [1]ferri...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 September 2012 20:41, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:49:12 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: Or, even easier and more straightforward: just keep using *DEPEND. The case hasn't been made yet why we need to change that in the first

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 September 2012 21:58, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:48:07 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17 September 2012 20:41, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:49:12 +0800 Ben de Groot yng

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 September 2012 22:14, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:11:59 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: And even now, people are using COMMON_DEPEND to work around *DEPEND duplication. Yes, and that works just fine. I don't see what's

Re: [gentoo-dev] example conversion of gentoo-x86 current deps to unified dependencies

2012-09-16 Thread Ben de Groot
On 16 September 2012 09:20, Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 12:03:36AM +0200, Micha?? G??rny wrote: On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 13:33:18 -0700 Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote: To demonstrate the gain of this, we basically take the existing tree's deps, and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: media-libs/gmyth, media-plugins/gst-plugins-mythtv, net-libs/libmonetra, dev-php/pecl-mcve, dev-vcs/svk, net-im/jabberd, net-p2p/sancho-bin, media-sound/xfi-drivers, app-mi

2012-09-16 Thread Ben de Groot
On 16 September 2012 23:40, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Pacho Ramos wrote: # Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org (16 Sep 2012) # Upstream keeps inactive for ages and, then, it has broke again # now with gnutls-3 (#421385). Removal in a month. net-im/jabberd What about the 1.4 version? It

[gentoo-dev] Lastrites for qt4.eclass

2012-09-13 Thread Ben de Groot
Since the last ebuild using the old qt4.eclass has now been removed from the tree, the Qt team wishes to lastrite this eclass. It will be removed in 30 days. All ebuilds should be using qt4-r2.eclass instead. -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin

Re: [gentoo-dev] About changing security policy to unCC maintainers when their are not needed

2012-09-12 Thread Ben de Groot
On 13 September 2012 09:43, Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:53:20 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: You can un-CC yourself. I don't see why security@ should be doing the legwork. It shouldn't be so hard to do, they can do it just when they CC arches,

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI5: require ebuilds/eclasses to not use any vars/funcs prefixed with __

2012-09-12 Thread Ben de Groot
On 13 September 2012 04:36, Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote: Hola folks. Currently portage exposes a fair amount of it's internal implementation via vars/funcs into the ebulid env; this frankly makes it easier for ebuilds/eclasses to localize themselves to portage (rather than PMS),

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: News item 1: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-09-11 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 September 2012 08:02, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Gentoo's bash-completion breaks when make.conf is in /etc/portage. Bug filed back in early July and there's a simple enough patch, but app-shells/gentoo-bashcomp has only the shell-tools herd, no dedicated maintainer, and 13 open

Re: [gentoo-dev] Any official position from Gentoo about systemd, mdev and udev-static ?

2012-08-28 Thread Ben de Groot
On 29 August 2012 01:36, Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/28/2012 05:35 PM, Sylvain Alain wrote: Hi everyone, I don't want to start a flamewar on that subject, but I would like to know if there's any official position about the current situation. udev might or might not eventually

Re: [gentoo-dev] adns ares USE flags

2012-08-28 Thread Ben de Groot
On 28 August 2012 05:11, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Hello, $ quse -D adns ares global:adns: Adds support for the adns DNS client library local:ares:dev-libs/ecore: Enables support for asynchronous DNS using the net-dns/c-ares library local:ares:net-analyzer/wireshark: Use GNU

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fwd: Heads up for Qt5

2012-07-28 Thread Ben de Groot
On 28 July 2012 13:59, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 28/07/12 08:22, Ben de Groot wrote: In preparation for that, we want to ask maintainers of all ebuilds in the tree with dependencies on Qt4, to make sure that they have the proper slot. Otherwise your package may pull in Qt5

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fwd: Heads up for Qt5

2012-07-28 Thread Ben de Groot
On 28 July 2012 15:43, Ralph Sennhauser s...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 14:27:49 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: On 28 July 2012 13:59, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 28/07/12 08:22, Ben de Groot wrote: In preparation for that, we want to ask

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-27 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 July 2012 06:28, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2012, Sascha Cunz wrote: Is there a reason for not using at least en_US.UTF-8 as a sane default value? Because there's no one-size-fits-all locale, but it is specific to every system so the user must configure it?

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-27 Thread Ben de Groot
On 27 July 2012 16:06, Dan Douglas orm...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, July 27, 2012 09:08:36 AM Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, Ben de Groot wrote: I understand why the council rejected Debian's C.UTF-8 option, but is there really no better default that we can use? Without

[gentoo-dev] Fwd: Heads up for Qt5

2012-07-27 Thread Ben de Groot
Hi! We are getting nearer to a Qt5 beta release. Although it has already been postponed a couple of times, we should expect it some time this summer. This means we will start to see packages offering Qt5 support. Pesa has already done a terrific job preparing live ebuilds and eclasses for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-25 Thread Ben de Groot
On 25 July 2012 02:52, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina zeroch...@gentoo.org wrote: While I completely understand where Fabian is coming from on all this I respectfully disagree. Long term gentoo users do NOT read the handbook, ever. I still install new systems with odd hacks that I picked up when

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: l10n.eclass

2012-07-23 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 July 2012 15:33, Ralph Sennhauser s...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:37:32 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: I got a few more suggestions on IRC, and I have updated the eclass accordingly. Please check the attached new version, also available at https

[gentoo-dev] RFC: l10n.eclass

2012-07-19 Thread Ben de Groot
Today I would like to present to you my proposal for a new eclass with helper functions for treating localizations: l10n.eclass (see the attached file or [1]). Its functionality can be used in other eclasses (such as qt4-r2 and cmake-utils) as well as directly in ebuilds. In order to keep the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: l10n.eclass

2012-07-19 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 July 2012 21:14, Ralph Sennhauser s...@gentoo.org wrote: I assume the P in PLOCALS stands for package. Not that obvious if you ask me. L10N_LOCALS would at least tell me which eclass this variable belongs to. Yes, as P is widely used to refer to the package. I wanted something to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 July 2012 21:51, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/07/12 07:41 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: On 12 July 2012 17:52, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-15 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 July 2012 21:27, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 13:15:26 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: The first time I did the quizzes, it took me 9 months. After having been

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-15 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 July 2012 21:50, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:45:25 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: It's not that it takes all that much time. It can be done in say one or two workdays. But you need to set aside a block of time (and usually

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-14 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 July 2012 04:46, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Markos Chandras wrote: understand that quizzes is not an ideal way to hire people either, but they worked ok for all these years I don't know.. Subjectively I don't think they work ok at all, since I still haven't finished them even

[gentoo-dev] RFC: using array variables in qt4-r2.eclass

2012-07-13 Thread Ben de Groot
Hi, We'd like to start using array variables for DOCS and HTML_DOCS in qt4-r2.eclass, as they are already more widely used in other eclasses. Please check the attached diff and let us know what you think. Thanks on behalf of the Qt team! -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Gentoo Qt

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-12 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 July 2012 17:52, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: Actually, there is another workable solution, and that is to set USE=-gstreamer -icu for qt-webkit. Currently we enable gstreamer by default in the ebuild

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-11 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 July 2012 06:51, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: Here's another related bug report, specifically about the solving the libxml2/qt-webkit/chromium conflict: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=426222 -- Actually, there is another workable solution, and that is to set

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: udev-rules.eclass

2012-07-11 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 July 2012 07:42, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:57:42PM +0200, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Il 11/07/2012 21:11, William Hubbs ha scritto: I am about to release udev-186-r1, which will move everything currently in /lib/udev to /usr/lib/udev. Unless

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 July 2012 09:41, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: On 07/09/2012 06:11 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: So, seems like there is still room for improvement... Aside from the obvious need to improve the portage behavior, we might also want to consider enabling USE=icu by default in the profile.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 July 2012 11:03, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: Yup, this issue hit anybody who has qt-webkit and chromium installed. I wouldn't be surprised if that is half of the entire userbase. I would be. We ran into another confusing icu-related issue with qt-core a few weeks ago (bug

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: old udev versions

2012-07-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 11 July 2012 02:30, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: All, the last thread started by mgorny has prompted me to ask here on the list which versions of udev we really need in the tree. Personally, I'm holding on to 171. I have masked =181 because of bad decisions upstream and I want

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 11 July 2012 03:23, Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: Michał Górny schrieb: Hello, all. Since nowadays udev is bundled within systemd, we start having two libudev providers: =sys-apps/systemd-185 and sys-fs/udev. Making the long story short, I would like to introduce a virtual for

[gentoo-dev] Lastrite app-laptop/lenovo-sl-laptop

2012-07-03 Thread Ben de Groot
# Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org (3 Jul 2012) # Dead upstream. Doesn't compile with current kernels. # Removal in 30 days. app-laptop/lenovo-sl-laptop -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: PROPERTIES=funky-slots

2012-06-28 Thread Ben de Groot
On 28 June 2012 13:03, Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:45:46 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:43:10 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk3 useflag and support of older toolkits

2012-06-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 23 June 2012 22:45, Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org wrote: Le samedi 23 juin 2012 à 14:40 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh a écrit : I'd like to know why using USE flags until a nicer solution is available is sufficiently terrible that it warrants a hackaround. remember qt3/qt4, gtk/gtk2. We

Re: [gentoo-dev] Patch: Linguas USE support for cmake-utils.eclass

2012-06-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 June 2012 02:32, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: On Saturday 23 June 2012 13:37:59 Michael Palimaka wrote: +for x in ${LANGS}; do +       IUSE+= linguas_${x} +done if you don't want to make it into an array: IUSE+= $(printf 'linguas_%s ' ${LANGS}) -mike What's wrong with the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Patch: Linguas USE support for cmake-utils.eclass

2012-06-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 June 2012 01:57, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 03:37:59 +1000 Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: --- cmake-utils.eclass +++ cmake-utils.eclass @@ -20,0 +21,29 @@ +# @ECLASS-VARIABLE: LANGS Please prefix. +# @DEFAULT_UNSET +# @DESCRIPTION:

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: PROPERTIES=funky-slots

2012-06-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 June 2012 06:50, Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org wrote: Le samedi 23 juin 2012 à 18:30 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh a écrit : It treats -r300 as being newer than -r200, and so will treat the gtk3 version or the jruby version as being newer versions of the gtk2 version or the ruby 1.8

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Patch: Linguas USE support for cmake-utils.eclass

2012-06-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 June 2012 21:56, Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: On 2012-06-24 18:34, Ben de Groot wrote: We at qt@ have been discussing this on and off. We would like to see a linguas.eclass happen, because already now we start having code duplication. So instead of this duplication

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-22 Thread Ben de Groot
On 22 June 2012 08:38, Richard Yao r...@gentoo.org wrote: Would you (or someone else) elaborate on the specific features of bash that people find attractive? For me, it is mostly [[ ]] tests, arrays and brace expansion. The += operator is also very nice to have. -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in x11-misc/lightdm: lightdm-1.2.2-r2.ebuild ChangeLog

2012-06-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 21 June 2012 15:39, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 06/21/2012 10:37 AM, Ben de Groot (yngwin) wrote: yngwin      12/06/21 07:37:15   Modified:             lightdm-1.2.2-r2.ebuild ChangeLog   Log:   Re-tidy. Restore glib slot. Drop unnecessary gobject-introspection

Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 21 June 2012 05:33, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Richard Yao r...@gentoo.org wrote: Here is my wishlist for EAPI 5: [...] POSIX Shell compliance        There has been a great deal of work done to give the user full control of what is on his system

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global useflag libass

2012-06-16 Thread Ben de Groot
Committed: yngwin * gentoo-x86/profiles/ (ChangeLog use.desc): Add libass global useflag -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Gentoo Qt project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] UEFI secure boot and Gentoo

2012-06-15 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 June 2012 13:24, Arun Raghavan ford_pref...@gentoo.org wrote: On 15 June 2012 10:33, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: On 15 June 2012 12:45, Arun Raghavan ford_pref...@gentoo.org wrote: On 15 June 2012 09:58, Greg KH gre...@gentoo.org wrote: So, anyone been thinking about this?  I

Re: [gentoo-dev] UEFI secure boot and Gentoo

2012-06-15 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 June 2012 15:58, Richard Farina sidh...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/15/2012 03:12 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: On 15 June 2012 13:24, Arun Raghavan ford_pref...@gentoo.org wrote: On 15 June 2012 10:33, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: On 15 June 2012 12:45, Arun Raghavan ford_pref

Re: [gentoo-dev] UEFI secure boot and Gentoo

2012-06-14 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 June 2012 12:45, Arun Raghavan ford_pref...@gentoo.org wrote: On 15 June 2012 09:58, Greg KH gre...@gentoo.org wrote: So, anyone been thinking about this?  I have, and it's not pretty. Minor details like, do we have a 'company' that can pay Microsoft to sign our bootloader? is one

[gentoo-dev] RFC: new global useflag libass

2012-06-14 Thread Ben de Groot
Hi, As per the discussion in bug #328245, we would like to propose a new global useflag, to replace both ass and libass local useflags currently in media-video/{ffmpeg,mplayer,mplayer2,vlc}. The proposed description is the one already used in mplayer{,2}: libass = SRT/SSA/ASS (SubRip /

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Cleanup of the Get Gentoo page

2010-08-16 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 August 2010 02:43, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:34:08 +0300 Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: You should talk directly to the teams how are responsible for this part of the webpage like dosc or pr teams Common misconception. Neither the

Re: [gentoo-dev] status of releng project

2010-08-12 Thread Ben de Groot
On 9 August 2010 14:29, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: sure would be nice if someone picked up the installer again ... No, it wouldn't. Best leave that dead and buried. Cheers, Ben

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Reviving GLEP33

2010-08-12 Thread Ben de Groot
On 7 August 2010 02:18, Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote: The thing you're ignoring out of this g55 idiocy is that people don't particularly seem to want it.  There has been an extremely vocal subgroup of paludis/exherbo devs pushing for it while everyone else seems to have less than an

Re: [gentoo-dev] status of releng project

2010-08-12 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 August 2010 17:13, Thilo Bangert bang...@gentoo.org wrote: Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org said: On 9 August 2010 14:29, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: sure would be nice if someone picked up the installer again ... No, it wouldn't. Best leave that dead and buried. Could you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-19 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 June 2010 09:10, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: On 6/19/10 8:43 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: As long as it doesn't get actively hostile we can continue with a pretty large amount of friction. Read the archives of this mailing list if you want to see how much :) I think that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-19 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 June 2010 19:50, Wulf C. Krueger w...@mailstation.de wrote: If #gentoo-infra bangs their moms the rest of the community deserves to know. Oh? What do you do at night with your girlfriend (or boyfriend or yourself)? The community deserves to know! Take it somewhere else. We dont want

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-19 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 June 2010 19:59, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:54:25 +0200 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: This is a point that deserves more consideration. One of the top reasons (as witnessed in forum discussions) Unfortunately, that's selecting

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 June 2010 17:45, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: We communicate in English but that doesn't mean we all the same cultural background. My native language doesn't do small talk and doesn't have a word for please. I'm sorry, but that is simply not true. Unless Finnish is not your

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-16 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 June 2010 02:33, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17-06-2010 00:00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: yngwin's devaway message still reads   inactive, pending resolution of devrel issue. yngwin retired.  I woudn't go as far as saying that his case made him retire but

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 June 2010 02:01, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: On 16-06-2010 16:39, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: On 6/16/10 5:33 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote:  - With these Code of Conduct rules in place how come DevRel    is not publicly reminding of these rules where necessary?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Packages up for grabs -- xmerlin, yoswink, chtekk, omp, tantive, mueli, bluebird, hncaldwell, caleb

2010-06-11 Thread Ben de Groot
As I'm retiring, the following packages I maintained need someone else to look after them: media-video/avidemux - video and qt herds (this one needs a version bump) media-video/smplayer - qt and video herds x11-themes/haematite-xcursors - desktop-misc herd x11-themes/obsidian-xcursors - ,,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Packages up for grabs -- xmerlin, yoswink, chtekk, omp, tantive, mueli, bluebird, hncaldwell, caleb

2010-06-11 Thread Ben de Groot
On 11 June 2010 21:12, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: As I'm retiring, the following packages I maintained need someone else to look after them: media-video/avidemux - video and qt herds (this one needs a version bump) media-video/smplayer - qt and video herds x11-themes/haematite

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Packages up for grabs -- xmerlin, yoswink, chtekk, omp, tantive, mueli, bluebird, hncaldwell, caleb

2010-06-11 Thread Ben de Groot
I guess I should have done a proper grep on the tree before my first message. I missed a few more that are now up for grabs: media-sound/ncmpcpp - tanderson?, sound herd app-text/convertlit app-admin/makepasswd app-backup/rsnapshot - proxy maintainer needs new contact app-cdr/recorder -

Re: Notify people about empty herds (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] FTR: media-opti...@g.o has no developers)

2010-06-03 Thread Ben de Groot
On 3 June 2010 20:54, Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote: There is a real problem with herds that have a single or no maintainer, the former mainly because that could very well lead to another case of the latter, and we should certainly address both problems, but we should create as little

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-06-03 Thread Ben de Groot
On 3 June 2010 22:44, René 'Necoro' Neumann li...@necoro.eu wrote: Am 03.04.2010 15:19, schrieb Ben de Groot: On 3 April 2010 11:46, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: On 04/03/10 11:16, Tobias Scherbaum wrote: People are constantly asking for a documentation wiki, but ... yeah, as long

Re: Notify people about empty herds (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] FTR: media-opti...@g.o has no developers)

2010-06-03 Thread Ben de Groot
On 4 June 2010 00:55, Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:35:04 +0200 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: Also, there are herds that have several members, but none of them is really active (games, most of the desktop-* herds, etc.). This also leads to users being

[gentoo-dev] Fwd: [Bug 319061] media-libs/libfoo-1.4.2 update not handled by preserved-libs due to uninstall of older SLOT

2010-05-27 Thread Ben de Groot
There is no libfoo. This bug is about libpng. Don't try to hide the problem by renaming it. Cheers, Ben -- Forwarded message -- From: bugzilla-dae...@gentoo.org Date: 27 May 2010 10:44 Subject: [Bug 319061] media-libs/libfoo-1.4.2 update not handled by preserved-libs due to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Fwd: [Bug 319061] media-libs/libfoo-1.4.2 update not handled by preserved-libs due to uninstall of older SLOT

2010-05-27 Thread Ben de Groot
On 27 May 2010 22:52, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 05/27/2010 11:27 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: There is no libfoo. This bug is about libpng. Don't try to hide the problem by renaming it. No, the bug is about Portage 2.2 and @preserved-libs feature. It was restricted

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-12 Thread Ben de Groot
that it is an official project. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-12 Thread Ben de Groot
are talking about the unofficial one, I can only agree. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
that makes for substantial improvement rather than managing change.” (quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership) You've just shown a striking lack of such leadership. No cheers this time, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
qualified for the job. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
for Calchan to insult me the way he did. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 April 2010 23:23, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: On 04/11/2010 12:18 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: Not if you think it is okay for Calchan to insult me the way he did. Could he have chosen better words - yes Were there errors in content - no How about: You have lately been

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 11 April 2010 00:06, Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: On 04/11/2010 12:37 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: How about: You have lately been increasingly critical but not constructively at no point have you offered

Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?

2010-04-10 Thread Ben de Groot
a bit, but calling problems by their name is part of fixing them. Except when someone else does it, then calling the problem of lack of leadership suddenly becomes immature political ranting. Nice try. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-09 Thread Ben de Groot
Wiki Project. Any user (or dev) with constructive input is welcome. And as you volunteered, you are part of the project. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-09 Thread Ben de Groot
existing unofficial Gentoo-related Wiki admins. You are quite wrong here, as Guy was one of the first to volunteer for the official wiki project. It is the bickering about its status that apparently has demotivated him. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-09 Thread Ben de Groot
Allen, if you don't have anything constructive to add, then please refrain from adding to this thread. Thanks, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] package.mask-ed ebuilds

2010-04-09 Thread Ben de Groot
it. That's what we have overlays for. Move it to the tree once it's ready. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-08 Thread Ben de Groot
On 8 April 2010 21:51, Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote: why are we setting up a user wiki when a very popular one already exists? Because some devs request things like this: can we can lock certain pages down to dev edits only? In our wiki we will be able to. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Pheonix] Heartbeat team force

2010-04-07 Thread Ben de Groot
to date. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting 19 April 2010

2010-04-07 Thread Ben de Groot
information as possible consolidated into one place, so that everyone knows where to go to look that up. Can council decide to see this implemented? Thanks, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting 19 April 2010

2010-04-07 Thread Ben de Groot
that affect multiple projects in Gentoo. GLEP 39 also says Global issues will be decided by an elected Gentoo council. So all I'm asking is to do your job and make decisions on issues that affect all of Gentoo. The issues I brought up are wider than a single individual project. Thanks, -- Ben de

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting 19 April 2010

2010-04-07 Thread Ben de Groot
On 7 April 2010 20:05, Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: So all I'm asking is to do your job and make decisions on issues that affect all of Gentoo. The issues I brought up are wider than a single individual project

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Pheonix] Heartbeat team force

2010-04-07 Thread Ben de Groot
it's difficult though: the page http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/index.xml lists members for it but the page source does not hold it, explicitly.  where does it come from? It does, as can be seen in http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/index.xml?passthru=1 -- Ben de Groot Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting 19 April 2010

2010-04-07 Thread Ben de Groot
to improve things. And yes, I want the council to call for volunteers, and where necessary to recruit people who are able to help. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-06 Thread Ben de Groot
with the moderation. It looks like we're getting together a nice team, but we sure could use a little more help! At this point, we're still debating and testing, so there isn't anything to moderate yet. But soon we will have. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] Gentoo Wiki Project

2010-04-05 Thread Ben de Groot
of the wiki - moderation 1: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/wiki/ Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt project lead developer Gentoo Wiki project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-04-04 Thread Ben de Groot
they don't, so GDP-maintained documentation is not included in the scope of the wiki. I do hope that will change in the future. But I can live with it if it doesn't. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux Qt project lead developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-04-04 Thread Ben de Groot
On 4 April 2010 10:48, Antoni Grzymala awa...@chopin.edu.pl wrote: Has anyone considered the immensely powerful twiki? No. So tell us why we should. Specifically, how does it compare to MediaWiki in terms of features and performance? Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux Qt project lead

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-04-04 Thread Ben de Groot
On 4 April 2010 09:31, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 03:20:53 +0200 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: GuideXML documents are often experienced as an unnecessary barrier. I think you should clearly state again that this is not gonna replace GuideXML

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-04-04 Thread Ben de Groot
On 4 April 2010 17:36, dev-ran...@mail.ru wrote: Hm. Can you all just talk to the admin of gentoo-wiki and make it official? Been there, done that. He's not interested. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux Qt project lead developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-04-04 Thread Ben de Groot
the infrastructure support that entails. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux Qt project lead developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki

2010-04-04 Thread Ben de Groot
off and destroying, but you. There is no need for such dramatic language. If an official wiki starts up and becomes a major documentation centre for user contributions, That is the intent, and we hope you will work with us to make that happen. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux Qt project

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-04 Thread Ben de Groot
materials needed. Obviously this team would confer with recruiters and incorporate their feedback into its work. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux Qt project lead developer

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