elective
package.use.mask.
Also, I would like to see a list of packages where this would be a
problem. I just filed a new tracker for all packages with qt3 use
deps: 299127. Please everyone, file bugs for such packages and let
them block this tracker.
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kept and maintained by the community.
All packages depending on qt:3 should be moved to kde-sunset.
A bug should be filed for this package, blocking the qt3 removal tracker.
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thing
we reasonably can to make sure that Qt4 versions or equivalents of the
remaining Qt3 packages in the portage tree are available." I believe
we can work things out in the next seven weeks, and otherwise we could
reconsider the timeline. But we need short-term goals, otherwise it
will take fore
on it. Qt3support is a Qt4 module and
does not depend on qt:3. It is used to make it easier for developers
to port Qt3 apps to Qt4.
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't apply.
1:
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev-announce/msg_d851e05567d538b662f34de8dfdb7316.xml
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2009/12/28 Doug Goldstein :
> Why not provide some actual meat and potatoes here instead of a
> useless e-mail with bug numbers and some stupid attempt at humor at
> the expense of the x11 herd?
That hostility was totally uncalled for. Please try to remain civil.
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oser ♥
> x11-themes/gtk-engines-nimbus
I'll take app-text/convertlit.
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2009/11/29 Dawid Węgliński :
> On Sunday 29 November 2009 16:59:10 Ben de Groot wrote:
>> As soon as existing ebuilds in the tree are ported over to qt4-r2, the old
>> qt4.eclass will be removed.
>>
> As far as i remember we don't remove eclasses. Probably you meant
ioning mechanism, this is what we came up with. As soon
as existing ebuilds in the tree are ported over to qt4-r2, the old
qt4.eclass will
be removed.
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epo.
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Thank you very much for your work on stabling 4.5.3. Sorry I overdid it bit,
I was getting a tad frustrated. I'll try finding the right persons on IRC then,
when I notice bugs going unanswered.
All we need now is hppa.
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ive person. But if there is
no other way, maybe the status of such arches should be reconsidered.
We especially request ppc64 to be marked as an experimental arch, as it
is the worst one lagging in stabilization. See bug 281821 for a poignant
example, a 3 months open security bug.
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If you have concerns, try a friendly approach and ask Patrick to fix them.
I'm quite convinced he would be happy to do so. Your offensive approach
achieves the opposite. That isn't in the interest of QA either.
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2009/11/8 Mark Loeser :
> Ben de Groot said:
>> Really, aren't there more constructive ways to communicate your (meaning
>> all of you in this thread) concerns, without demotivating the person who
>> does so much work for Gentoo?
>
> If the person doing said work d
ur (meaning
all of you in this thread) concerns, without demotivating the person who
does so much work for Gentoo?
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usr/portage/metadata/news/2009-11-02-kde-3/2009-11-02-kde-3.en.txt
Which references
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-desktop/msg_a3e260bd0545cb4e763c81bc60f81de2.xml
And for Qt3 there is
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_e81a66259e844162ef7f2db2a358d440.xml
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too developer who is committed to maintain
both Qt3 and KDE3, and we feel it is irresponsible to leave those
unmaintained in the tree.
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What about ppc64? They are MONTHS behind on stabilization,
even for security bugs (see bug 281821 for example). The Qt team
feels this is no longer acceptable. We propose that any arch that
can't keep up will be demoted to experimental status.
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setup is quite similar useless as KDE4 and the KDE3 overlay is simply a
> farce. If I use KDE3 only, I do *not* have KDE4 on my machine i.e. those
> apps *will* build without problems. You would have better add some build
> dependency with installed.
You should join the kde-sunset (aka k
Markos Chandras wrote:
> Now, it is my time to say goodbye ( but not forever ) . I am *forced* to join
> the greek army from 16/8/2009 until May 2010. So I wont be active during this
> period. When I come back, I expect a more shiny Gentoo which will provide
> great experiences to our users.
>
Jeremy Olexa wrote:
> I am suggesting that the new 10.0 profiles be marked as EAPI-2
> compliant. This involves setting the content of the 'eapi' file to "2"
> and bumping up the required portage version.
YES!! Please.
Ben
Arun Raghavan wrote:
> 2009/8/12 Ben de Groot :
>> As this is a git overlay, it's not a problem. It would be very easy to
>> move the public repo to another location.
>
> Which still does not address concerns about (admittedly paranoid)
> concerns about terms o
Arun Raghavan wrote:
> This still does not address the original problem - if
> $external_service shuts down, is bought out, has arbitrary terms about
> content that are not immediately clear as being unfavourable to us,
> (at least) that part of the project which is hosted on is negatively
> affect
Mark Loeser wrote:
> Why can't this be on our official overlays? Is there a technical
> reason, because we seem to just be spreading things out even more than
> necessary.
Because on g.o.g.o. we can not admin it ourselves, resulting in delays
and adding to infra's burden. Also, the web interface
Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Is there a special reason, why we need to split things even more? Why not
> invite those devs and
> interested users to sunrise? Training ground for interested users is one of
> the main goals of our
> project.
Sunrise has a very different policy (e.g. no packages already
Sebastian Pipping wrote:
> Good idea!
>
> Out of curiousity: Is a gitorious account a technical must or would an
> SSH pubkey do as well?
you need a gitorious account for commit access
Hi,
The qting-edge overlay (the official overlay for the Gentoo Qt team) is
a great success as a place to develop new ebuilds, packages, eclasses,
to prepare new releases, to maintain bleeding edge stuff like live
ebuilds and especially as a training ground for new recruits. I thought
it would be
Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> On Tue, July 28, 2009 09:29, Hanno Böck wrote:
>> While I fully understand that people want to deprecate "old cruft", I
>> assume this is far too early. (just think back how long it took us to
>> deprecate gtk+-1)
>
> I fully agree with this thought. The qt4 world is simply
Josh Saddler wrote:
> Wait a minute. Qt3 is deprecated, but people are still adding new
> Qt3-based packages to the tree:
>
> On the 26th, scarabeus added gerix, as seen on our front page p.g.o feed:
>
> net-wireless/gerix-0.20 Qt3 Based aircrack GUI
>
> . . . wtf?
Indeed, the developer i
Doug Goldstein wrote:
> MythTV still uses Qt3 and there is NO way that the Qt4 based MythTV
> could even remotely be considered stable. It is still undergoing
> constantly changing and there are many codepaths that are incomplete.
We can re-assess the situation when the time comes, early next year
We've been living with the 2008.0 profiles for a while now. I think the
time has come for 2009.0 profiles so we can have some updates. Also,
there are plans for an anniversary release of our LiveCD, so I think the
time is right to start working on a new set of profiles.
One reason I bring this up
version marked stable (if it isn't already) within
the next few months and remove the legacy Qt3-based version, if possible.
Thanks,
Ben de Groot
Gentoo Qt team lead
Josh Saddler wrote:
> Lars Wendler wrote:
>> Let's finally move on regarding this topic. As I'm also in favour of
>> the "cdda" USE flag I'd like to know if there's any objection against the
>> decision to unify/convert the "cdaudio" USE flag into "cdda".
>> If there's no good reason against this
Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
> Sebastian Pipping wrote:
>> Problem
>
>> When the name from repo_name and the overlay name in layman-global.txt
>> do not match smolt would assume the overlay is secret though it's not
>> and not be able to send in stats about it.
>
> I understand your pr
Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
> I think it would be in the best interest of both Exherbo and Gentoo to elect
> [...] to the Gentoo Council.
I would think the only thing that matters is the best interest of
Gentoo. This is after all the _Gentoo_ Council we're speaking of, not a
body that is concerned wit
AllenJB wrote:
> As a user, I'd like to encourage developers to make use of news items
> (eselect news) for important changes.
> 2 recent changes I would suggest having news items for are the libpcre
> .la files issue, because it often doesn't get noticed until later when
> builds fail, and the m
Raúl Porcel wrote:
> Since i don't have too much time nor motivation to fix packages(i prefer
> doing arch work), i'm asking someone to take the following packages, i'm
> dumping them to net-p2p atm, but its just Betelgeuse and me, so feel
> free to maintain them.
>
> net-p2p/deluge
> net-p2p/qbit
I was initially led to believe, and I'll give the entropy approach
the benefit of the doubt.
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Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison
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ge you
would be able to "sell" to the current developers anyway. That said,
there could very well be a Gentoo project, or people contributing to
portage development, to try and improve binary package support.
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uld simply start to use the repo_name as identifier.
That should result in less confusion, I'd think. Overlays that miss the
repo_name file are broken and should be fixed, and should be ignored
until they are.
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Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison
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>>>>> apidocs.
>>>>> http://gitweb.sabayon.org/?p=entropy.git;a=summary
> Next time, please post Sabayon specific stuff on our ML/com. channels.
Sure, so let's keep entropy out of the discussion.
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lx...@sabayonlinux.org wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Ben de Groot wrote:
>> lx...@sabayonlinux.org wrote:
>>> This is what I am doing in Sabayon, creating a new layer over Portage =>
>>> Entropy. I'm almost done, just need to work out som
is that it doesn't work nice with portage.
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ially for use in /etc/portage, to be
able to mask/unmask a version from a specific overlay.
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Sun, 17 May 2009 23:17:57 +0200
> Ben de Groot wrote:
>> 1. "Incompatible change of inherit (e.g. make it look in the package
>> dir too)"
>> A case would need to be made, in my opinion, as to why we would wish
>> to allow this
variable is defined in the ebuild.
>
> I would argue that most people who are be exposed to repositories that
> do not carry a metadata cache (overlays) which use new EAPIs also keep
> their portage version current. I'd say go with option (4) now and by
> the time EAP
hy"), and it seems to carry the spirit of what we mean by these
> kinds
> of ebuilds. Also, there is a new in-ebuild property with the signifier
> "live".
Personally I think there is humor in the scum (as I pronounce it). But
seriously, I think live makes sense, and wo
Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
> 2009/5/17 Ben de Groot :
>> Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote:
>>> 2009-05-17 18:37:32 Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a):
>>>> On Sun, 17 May 2009 18:20:21 +0200
>>>> Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote:
>>>&
tible ebuild formats,
> and it would probably be cleaner overall, while giving people the
> freedom to experiment with whatever wild ideas they have for packages.
Ebuilds work well enough for us. I don't think there's a real need for
other formats.
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Gentoo Linu
two reasons.
>>
>> First, this is a global scope change
>
> Why do you think that it is a global scope change?
Because he wants to push GLEP 55.
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s it's worth their time.
But I disagree on the maintainer-wanted thread. It's not that important
an issue. We have Sunrise already, so let's try to improve that.
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s can be used is, well, strange and unintuitive.
Except that we aren't talking about strange and unintuitive. All we are
saying is basically documenting current usage: put a line with EAPI=
near the top. That's very straighforward and intuitive. Plus, it works.
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he problem has been insufficiently clarified. We should not waste
more time on it.
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Thilo Bangert wrote:
> Ben de Groot said:
> and what exactly are _you_ contributing?
> i was trying to point out, that somebody was rather unhelpful, and all you
> can come up with is being unhelpful? we can do better than that!
I thought I was helpful in pointing out that certain p
David Leverton wrote:
> On Sunday 10 May 2009 14:02:57 Ben de Groot wrote:
>> Just your activity on Gentoo channels (IRC, ML, etc), which is what my
>> assessment is based on.
>
> Nothing I've ever done anywhere, in Gentoo channels or elsewhere, in any way
> i
David Leverton wrote:
> It's pretty hilarious that you think you know anything about me.
>
Just your activity on Gentoo channels (IRC, ML, etc), which is what my
assessment is based on.
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Gentoo Li
Thilo Bangert wrote:
>> Welcome to Gentoo.
>
> nice attitude...
> i am sure that'll make the problem go away :-(
>
What do you expect? He's an exherbo dev, only here to criticize Gentoo
and gloat over its perceived failings.
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or the global one and
> eliminate the first?
I am against. nsplugin is for any browser that implements the old
netscape plugin protocol. This is not just for Mozilla-based ones, but
also for others, such as KHTML and WebKit based ones.
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As per http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml under the
"Clock" heading. I know, reading documentation is an acquired taste... ;-)
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Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> On 15:31 Sat 14 Mar , Ben de Groot (yngwin) wrote:
>> yngwin 09/03/14 15:31:28
>>
>> Modified: qt4.eclass
>> Log:
>> Update qt4.eclass
>
> comet $ cvs diff -r1.50 -r1.51 qt4
t's see how we can speed things up and spread the load.
Having more people join the PR team would be a logical step, in my opinion.
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0-r1
>> LiveCDs for x86 and amd64, though we expect it to work for
>> those that use it. [...]
>
> Why wasn't this sent to gentoo-dev-announce?
Also, will we have an announcement on the www.gentoo.org frontpage? This
seems to me an important enough issue to inform our u
pers. Looks like
it would be too much effort for so little gain.
But in the end it is bikeshedding, and I don't really care.
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r does anybody think that we
>> should allow UTF-8 unicode?
>
> Nevermind, apparently GLEP 31 already requires ASCII anyway:
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0031.html
>
The way I read that GLEP is that in ChangeLog and metadata.xml
we should accept the full rang
ion
to the rule. I'm not aware of any other exceptions, but I can't be sure
unless I go digging through the source. Which really should not be
necessary, in my opinion.
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pinion, add a big fat warning towards the end of the installation part,
that there is extremely useful information to be found in the other
parts of the Handbook. Maybe we could especially mention some of the
more useful topics, and the elog system would be one of them.
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Josh Saddler wrote:
> Ben de Groot wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to add a new category to the tree: lxde-base, to be used
>> for the LXDE desktop [1,2] packages, in correspondence to the categories
>> for the other desktop environments we have (gnome, kd
default WM, and x11-misc/pcmanfm as default filemanager, although
these can be easily swapped for others.
Comments are welcome!
1: http://lxde.org/
2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/157989
3: http://www.bitbucket.org/yngwin/lxde-overlay/src/
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Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 08:13:14PM +0000, Ben de Groot (yngwin) wrote:
>> Index: metadata.xml
>> ===
> ...
>> +
>> + Enable x11-libs/qt-webkit support, for more
>&
others do the same. People use our tree to learn how
> to write ebuilds, so it's good idea to have consistent syntax in our
> ebuilds...
>
So, can we have a nice little table of which functions die by themselves
and which ones need || die added in ebuilds? Please?
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rn to.
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http://ben.liveforge.org/
irc://chat.freenode.net/#gentoo-media
irc://irc.
ts. But if that is the case, we should make separate
virtuals for those.
I think it would be best to add the more common font packages to the
fonts virtual, and not all. I'd propose something along the lines of:
|| ( dejavu liberation-fonts ttf-bitstream-vera corefonts )
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Alec Warner wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Thomas Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>Currently we have a lot of:
>>src_configure() {
>>econf $(use_enable dvdr) \
>>$(use_with ipv6 ssl) \
>>
Hi everyone,
I recently got interested in LXDE[1], the Lightweight X11 Desktop
Environment, and I would like to see this available in portage. At the
moment there are, to my knowledge, 3 overlays maintained by users that
include ebuilds for lxde. I think it is time to combine efforts and get
these
Ryan Hill wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:25:42 +0400
> Peter Volkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> There are droid fonts package in the tree. Author states that they are
>> apache licensed [1] (supposedly similar to google's android sdk) but
>> license itself is not included in the
David Leverton wrote:
> 2008/8/14 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Why aren't fired developers banned from the channels where they
>>> displayed this behavior?
>
> Isn't this one effectively withdrawn? I asked yngwin which devs he
> was referring to, and he said there weren't any, so is t
Hanno Böck wrote:
> So question, what are the showstoppers for qt 4.4? And more general comment,
> especially on important packages that many people rely on, please provide
> more informative comments in package mask, e.g. bug numbers.
Bug numbers should indeed have been provided. The tracker bu
Alexis Ballier wrote:
> Somehow I read the sentence differently: it seems pointless to ban
> competent people for so-called anti-social behavior from easily
> pushing technical contributions and still let them contribute to other
> communication medias where such an anti-social behavior is much mor
presence of forcefully retired devs
It really baffles me that some developers are forcefully retired for
anti-social behavior, but are not consequently banned from the places
where they display this behavior, such as our MLs and IRC channels. What
good is it to retire developers, but allow them to continue to be
disruptive? I would like the Council to decide for a change in our
policy on this point.
Regards,
Ben de Groot
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Jeremy Olexa wrote:
> Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> Some kind of warning or other mechanism that does selecting this
>> profile without knowing what you're doing would be a good idea.
>
> This isn't enough?
>
> %% grep KNOW *
> make.defaults:I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING="yes"
>
> ;)
>
>
Nobody ever re
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Richard Freeman wrote:
|>> ... I don't think there is any excuse not to update the published
|>> release schedule,...
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|
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|> the update is simple: the untimely and quite unexpected surgical
|> "complication" resulting in the death of my mother has
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I thought we had learnt something about not communicating with our userbase, but
it looks like this lesson has already been forgotten. While I appreciate there
probably are valid reasons for the delay of the beta and the release of 2008.0,
I don't thi
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Fabio Erculiani wrote:
| [02:31] lxnay: we offer all of our work that you base your
| distribution off, and you don't contribute back at all, in any way.
|
| ^^ This is a really stupid sentence. It seems some of you don't even
| realize how many user
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Bernd Steinhauser wrote:
|> Though, if for instance amd64-fbsd would be introduced,
| Will that happen? (Asking because I might be interested in testing such
| a setup.)
I would be interested as well, especially if based on FreeBSD-7.
| Wouldn't it
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