Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Solving the problem of huge number of wrong LICENSES=*GPL-[23]

On Sunday, August 26, 2018 7:09:41 AM EDT Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: > On 26/08/2018 12:53, Mart Raudsepp wrote: > > The common issue here is that upstream COPYING files really do only > > talk about one of the versions. And then you get to validate or source > > files to be sure that they do have a

Re: Why lastrite when it works? (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due to retirement)

On Friday, January 6, 2017 5:27:24 PM EST Kent Fredric wrote: > On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 10:23:02 -0500 > > Rich Freeman wrote: > > I tend to be firmly in the camp that a package shouldn't be removed > > unless there is evidence of a serious bug (and that includes things > > blocking

Re: Why lastrite when it works? (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due to retirement)

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 10:23:02 AM EST Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Michael Mol <mike...@gmail.com> wrote: > > For security's sake, even mature software needs, at minimum, routine > > auditing. Unless someone's doing that work, the package sho

Re: Why lastrite when it works? (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due to retirement)

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 9:24:19 AM EST Damien LEVAC wrote: > On 01/03/2017 09:14 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > > On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 12:05:10 PM EST Michał Górny wrote: > >> On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 16:00:52 +0700 (+07) > >> > >> gro...@gentoo.org wrote: &

Why lastrite when it works? (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due to retirement)

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 12:05:10 PM EST Michał Górny wrote: > On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 16:00:52 +0700 (+07) > > gro...@gentoo.org wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Jan 2017, Brian Evans wrote: > > > IMO, this one should be given last-rites as upstream is dead and it > > > heavily depends on wireless-tools and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tinderboxing efforts in Gentoo

On Friday, December 02, 2016 02:10:27 PM Michał Górny wrote: > Hi, everyone. > > I've heard multiple times about various tinderbox projects being > started by individuals in Gentoo. In fact, so many different projects > that I've forgotten who was working on most of them. > > I know that Toralf

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please retain authorship of contributed patches

On Thursday, December 01, 2016 10:13:17 PM Andrey Utkin wrote: > On Thu, Dec 01, 2016 at 12:50:42PM -0800, Daniel Campbell wrote: [snip] > > Thanks for bringing this to attention. It's somewhat related to another > > discussion we've been having about copyright, and it may be worth > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Userkit.eclass

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 03:25:21 PM William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:08:30 PM EST Michael Mol wrote: > > > IMHO it is something that should be a part of LSB. If not POSIX in > > > general. One cannot really change the past or cu

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Userkit.eclass

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 01:41:24 PM William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:22:07 PM EST Michael Mol wrote: > > If Gentoo wants to do it internally, that's one thing. > > This list is about Gentoo internal things Here, let me bring up a bit of

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Userkit.eclass

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 04:49:24 PM William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 10:40:20 AM EST Michael Mol wrote: > > Highly detailed lists like that--used as a broad standard--are a bad idea. > > They represent a single synchronization point that every

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Userkit.eclass

On Monday, November 28, 2016 02:39:48 PM William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Monday, November 28, 2016 10:42:54 AM EST Alec Warner wrote: > > Generally speaking as a fellow who maintained thousands of systems (many > > of > > which ran various operating systems.) > > > > You cannot rely on all OS

Re: [gentoo-dev] rsync.gentoo.org rsync modules: ChangeLogs dropped from gentoo-portage

On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 05:59:50 AM Doug Freed wrote: > On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:26 AM, Kent Fredric wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 01:11:48 + > > > > So are we going to have a broken rsync tree for 4 days due to the manifest > > validation failing on every

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commented packages in the @system set

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 09:21:06 AM Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Michael Mol <mike...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I want to +1 this, but I do see one problem: If all dependencies are > > defined, how does "emerge --with-bdeps=y --emptytree @wor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Commented packages in the @system set

On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 11:14:53 PM Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 01:10:10AM +, Peter Stuge wrote > > > >> waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: > >> > For a build-from-source distro like Gentoo,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Package file name requirement for binary ebuilds

On Monday, October 17, 2016 03:37:28 AM William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Monday, October 17, 2016 8:57:30 AM EDT Michał Górny wrote: > > On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 18:30:44 -0400 > > > > "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > > > Part of the idea is to help differentiate the types of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Package file name requirement for binary ebuilds

On Monday, October 17, 2016 03:52:52 PM Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > On 10/17/2016 03:47 PM, M. J. Everitt wrote: > > On 17/10/16 14:44, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > >>> If a binary package is provided in addition to its source-based > >>> equivalent, the name of the former should be suffixed

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Package up for grabs: skencil

On Friday, September 16, 2016 09:54:42 PM Duncan wrote: > Kristian Fiskerstrand posted on Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:58:22 +0200 as > > excerpted: > > On 09/16/2016 02:31 PM, Hanno Böck wrote: > >> media-gfx/skencil is a python-written vector graphics tool. It was once > >> popular before inkscape

[gentoo-dev] Duplicate bug reports, resolution status and Bug 426262

(First, I don't care how the autoconf.in-autoconf.ac migration is handled at a code level. This isn't about that. I'd appreciate if that were largely handled in a separate thread. This (I think) is about policy around bug reporting.) Timeline: 1) *Bug 426262*

Re: [gentoo-dev] robo-stable bugs

On 05/22/2013 08:53 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 21/05/13 07:43 PM, Thomas Sachau wrote: [ Snip reasons for why opt-out is bad ] So why don't we add something to package metadata, to indicate that a package is OK to be considered for auto-stabilization?? It lets everyone opt-in, and we

Re: [gentoo-dev] robo-stable bugs

On 05/22/2013 11:00 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2013 08:53:06 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 21/05/13 07:43 PM, Thomas Sachau wrote: [ Snip reasons for why opt-out is bad ] So why don't we add something to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to normal users

On 05/20/2013 11:34 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Daniel Campbell dlcampb...@gmx.com wrote: [snip] That's missing the point. If you don't run systemd, having unit files is pointless. Thankfully there's INSTALL_MASK and whatnot, but that seems like a hack

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to normal users

On 05/21/2013 09:50 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 21 May 2013 04:45:12 + (UTC) Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: But the point you're missing is that INSTALL_MASK is NOT a hack. Sure it is. It's a hack and remains a hack until there's a way of using it without risk of breakage.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to normal users

On 05/21/2013 10:02 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 21 May 2013 09:57:53 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/21/2013 09:50 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 21 May 2013 04:45:12 + (UTC) Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: But the point you're missing is that INSTALL_MASK

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to normal users

On 05/18/2013 03:23 PM, Carlos Silva wrote: Is the real problem just the god damn unit/init files?! Damn, who cares about 2KiB files in the age of GiBs?! You can install 1000 of them that it will only take 2MiB of storage, so please, quit complaining about this. Practically speaking, I think

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to normal users

On 05/08/2013 11:39 AM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: Ben de Groot schrieb: On 1 May 2013 18:04, Fabio Erculiani lx...@gentoo.org wrote: It looks like there is some consensus on the effort of making systemd more accessible, while there are problems with submitting bugs about new systemd

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to normal users

On 05/08/2013 01:08 PM, Michał Górny wrote: On Wed, 8 May 2013 23:26:57 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: On 1 May 2013 18:04, Fabio Erculiani lx...@gentoo.org wrote: It looks like there is some consensus on the effort of making systemd more accessible, while there are problems

Re: [gentoo-dev] OpenRC supporting systemd units

On 05/08/2013 03:18 PM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Wed, 8 May 2013 20:55:35 +0200 Ambroz Bizjak ambr...@gmail.com wrote: Init.d scripts are programs - they could probably do just about anything. They couldn't monitor a process and restart it when it crashes, as specified by the restart

Re: [gentoo-dev] OpenRC supporting systemd units

On 05/08/2013 04:06 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: Michael Mol schrieb: Sounds like a great feature. A crashed process is a buggy one, and I would want to investigate said program before I relaunched it, and not have it automatically relaunched as if nothing had happened. That's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages using -Werror

On 05/03/2013 09:46 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2013 16:06:01 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: Personally I've always thought -Werror is a mistake in release code, but was accepted practice. I've almost never actively removed it from packages I maintain. That will

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Establishing Gentoo patch policy to keep our patches consistent and clean

On Apr 6, 2013 2:36 PM, Alexandre Rostovtsev tetrom...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 20:08 +0200, Michał Górny wrote: 2. Patches have to apply to the top directory of the source tree with 'patch -p1'. If patches are applied to sub-directories, necessary '-p' argument shall be

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpng 1.6 upgrade and subslotting (and misuse of subslotting when there is also normal slotting)

On 04/05/2013 04:44 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: libpng 1.6 is in portage, but temporarily without KEYWORDS, pending on testign and this conversion, help would be much appericiated with converting the tree to use automatic rebuilds for the upgrade Because there is binary-only SLOT=1.2 of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt : SOLVED

On 04/01/2013 01:06 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: On 1 April 2013 16:32, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: 130401 Markos Chandras wrote: On 1 April 2013 02:56, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: I have sent a msg to gentoo-user describing how to solve this problem. Perhaps it needs to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Global useflags zeroconf and avahi

On 04/01/2013 10:47 PM, Alex Xu wrote: Kill zeroconf and use dnssd, upnp, ssdp. Problem solved? I very much like the approach in principle, though. Digging briefly into Wikipedia[1], UPnP has several components: * AutoIP (IPv4LL) * SSDP (So, a separate ssdp USE flag may not be necessary) * SOAP

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: sys-apps/texinfo vs @system

On 03/31/2013 06:19 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Sun, 31 Mar 2013, Duncan wrote: Or maybe your intent was to either kill these deps or put them behind USE=doc as well? USE=doc doesn't look right for this, as it's normally used for large sized documentation. Something like USE=info might

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

On 03/29/2013 08:20 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 29/03/13 13:38, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 29/03/2013 12:29, Samuli Suominen wrote: One you can control, the another you can't. So still not FUD. You do not really control it any more than the kernel. The fact that me and you can edit an

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Gentoo GPG key policies

On 03/14/2013 09:01 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 05:14:15PM +0100, Michał Górny wrote: If that means doing an additional signature every time something is going to be committed, that sounds like an overkill. If we were to do something radical, I'd rather be in favor of

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Gentoo GPG key policies

On 03/14/2013 11:18 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:32:30PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote: As to how to accomplish this, it's either a throwaway sig, or poking the agent protocol directly. The only trouble with that is if the agent is configured to only unlock keys

Re: [gentoo-dev] kerberos, virtuals, rattling cages

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 2:21 AM, Matthew Thode prometheanf...@gentoo.org wrote: On 02/24/13 20:25, Michael Mol wrote: (I really don't have time to actively participate on this list right now, but I believe that if I bring it up on b.g.o, I'll be directed here, so...) So I'm playing with net

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: kerberos, virtuals, rattling cages

On 02/25/2013 06:03 AM, Duncan wrote: Eray Aslan posted on Mon, 25 Feb 2013 10:02:49 +0200 as excerpted: I don't think samba will support MIT, since it's kinda windows focused. Ugh, no. MIT is not windows focused ... But samba is... Actually, no. That's why I've been so excited about

Re: [gentoo-dev] kerberos, virtuals, rattling cages

On 02/25/2013 12:48 PM, Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 2:21 AM, Matthew Thode prometheanf...@gentoo.org wrote: On 02/24/13 20:25, Michael Mol wrote: (I really don't have time to actively participate on this list right now, but I believe that if I bring it up on b.g.o, I'll

[gentoo-dev] kerberos, virtuals, rattling cages

(I really don't have time to actively participate on this list right now, but I believe that if I bring it up on b.g.o, I'll be directed here, so...) So I'm playing with net-fs/samba-4.0.3, AD and kerberos, and tried to enable kerberos system-wide on my server. No joy, as net-fs/nfs-utils has an

Re: [gentoo-dev] kerberos, virtuals, rattling cages

On 02/24/2013 09:48 PM, Alec Warner wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: (I really don't have time to actively participate on this list right now, but I believe that if I bring it up on b.g.o, I'll be directed here, so...) So I'm playing with net-fs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: kerberos, virtuals, rattling cages

On 02/24/2013 10:40 PM, Duncan wrote: Michael Mol posted on Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:17:56 -0500 as excerpted: I'm not following you here. 'slot' means a very specific thing. You are not actually suggesting we use SLOT, you simply want both versions of the library to be installed in one ROOT? I

Re: [gentoo-dev] kerberos, virtuals, rattling cages

On 02/24/2013 10:46 PM, Alec Warner wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/24/2013 09:48 PM, Alec Warner wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: (I really don't have time to actively participate on this list right

Re: How a proper server profile should look like (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...)

On Jan 17, 2013 3:35 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: If someone wants a *REALLY* basic system, they can start off with USE=-* and add on stuff as necessary when portage complains and/or ebuilds break.

Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Panagiotis Christopoulos pchr...@gentoo.org wrote: On 00:36 Wed 16 Jan , Andreas K. Huettel wrote: several people have pointed out to me that the 10.0 - 13.0 transition would be a good moment to finally remove the (also in my opinion rather useless) server

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: On 01/06/2013 05:36 PM, Michael Mol wrote: On Jan 6, 2013 8:32 PM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org mailto:zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: On 01/06/2013 01:04 AM, Ralph Sennhauser wrote: On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 23:34:59 -0600 Donnie

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

On Jan 6, 2013 8:32 PM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: On 01/06/2013 01:04 AM, Ralph Sennhauser wrote: On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 23:34:59 -0600 Donnie Berkholz dberkh...@gentoo.org wrote: On 10:26 Sat 22 Dec , Pacho Ramos wrote: Hello After seeing:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo and Root CAs

On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 1:44 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: The certificates that Gentoo distributes have at least been vouched for by somebody who is a part of our community, which is more than can be said for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo and Root CAs

On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: Michael Mol mikemol at gmail.com writes: On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman djc at gentoo.org wrote: Speaking of which, say what you will about Mozilla's broken criteria for root inclusion, but Mozilla

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, 2012-12-29 at 16:42 +0800, Ben de Groot wrote: On 27 December 2012 00:39, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote: Can we short cut the whole quiz process and have some Inbound repository until we're full git,

Gentoo and Github (Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...) )

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, 2012-12-29 at 16:42 +0800, Ben de Groot wrote: On 27 December 2012 00:39, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote: Can we short cut the whole

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is /var/cache the right place for repositories?

On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012, Sebastian Pipping wrote: On 20.12.2012 19:14, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: The tree is a database. It belongs in /var/db/. I don't see /var/db in the latest release of the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is /var/cache the right place for repositories?

On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012, Diego Elio Pettenň wrote: /var/cache/packages/ PKGDIR Maybe /var/spool/binpkgs ? This doesn't look right to me. /var/spool contains things like printer queues or outgoing mail that are typically

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Wordiness

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: My point is that you consistently write long essays that I, and apparently most others, don't bother to read. I'm not sure if you're aware of this.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 20/12/12 10:37 AM, Brian Dolbec wrote: /var/cache/repositories/ /var/cache/repositories/gentoo == the main portage tree /var/cache/repositories/local== the new

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Diego Elio Pettenň wrote: /var/cache/portage/distfiles /var/cache/portage/repositories/gentoo /var/cache/portage/repositories/{sunrise,kde,gnome,whatever,layman,grabs}

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:31 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 06:58:11AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 4:25 AM, George Shapovalov geo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thursday 20 December 2012 09:11:39 Ulrich Mueller wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] College Course in Gentoo Development

On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Roy Bamford neddyseag...@gentoo.org wrote: On 2012.12.17 16:02, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote: On 12/17/2012 10:32 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: Hi everyone, Give the talk on the list about attracting devs, I've should probably mention that I'm teaching a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote: Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use some of that bug bounty money to fix up the recruitment documentation

Re: [gentoo-dev] Using emerge-webrsync to simplify the handbook

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Richard Yao r...@gentoo.org wrote: On 11/28/2012 11:08 AM, Matthew Thode wrote: On 11/28/2012 09:05 AM, Richard Yao wrote: On 11/28/2012 09:17 AM, Maxim Kammerer wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Richard Yao r...@gentoo.org wrote: We could slightly

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Greg KH gre...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:08:38PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 09:08:52AM -0800, Greg KH wrote Again, any specific pointer to a commit in the tree that caused this? See

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Additional USE_EXPAND variables: E_MODULES and E_MODULES_CONF

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Thomas Sachau posted on Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:45:16 +0100 as excerpted: Ben de Groot schrieb: On 14 November 2012 05:13, Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: Alexis Ballier schrieb: - considering gentoo generally uses

Re: [gentoo-dev] Merging the devrel handbook into the devmanual

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:26:38 +0100 Theo Chatzimichos tampak...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi all, In bug #304435[1], hwoarang suggested merging

Re: [gentoo-dev] Merging the devrel handbook into the devmanual

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:26:38 +0100 Theo Chatzimichos tampak...@gentoo.org wrote: +1 and btw move the devmanual in the wiki :D That would rather go against the original idea behind the devmanual, which

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Dropping slotted boost

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:30:16 -0700 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: Given the amount of headaches that Boost seems to give us all, now thanks to the recent changes even more because Gentoo's boost is

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Dropping slotted boost

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.euwrote: On 30/10/2012 13:39, Michael Mol wrote: In general, I agree...but Boost wasn't intended to be a shared library, so there shouldn't be a conflict there. But there are shared libraries, and they are not small

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Dropping slotted boost

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 30/10/12 22:49, Michael Mol wrote: On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu mailto:flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On 30/10/2012 13:39, Michael Mol wrote: In general, I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] A news item covering PYTHON_TARGETS

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Michał Górny posted on Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:45:01 +0100 as excerpted: Title: PYTHON_TARGETS deployment [snip] Lately, a new Python eclasses were deployed and the way of supporting multiple Python implementations changes

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: CIA replacement

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote: Responding to no one in particular, but to the sub-thread about IRC bots: On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:32:26 +0200 Fabian Groffen grob...@gentoo.org wrote: On 02-10-2012 12:40:20 +0800, Ben de Groot wrote: The irker proxy was

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Rafael Goncalves Martins rafaelmart...@gentoo.org wrote: Maybe someone with good cvs knowledge can contribute a hook for irker [1], so we can have #gentoo-commits flooding our irc clients

Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know to what depth this has been discussed in the past, but if you use git, you also get an HTTP transport, which has a useful feature: You could

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussing stuff that is not appropriate to discuss

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On 01/10/2012 17:51, Gregory M. Turner wrote: Anyhow, I get it: administering the vcs for a huge project such as Gentoo is very hard work. If I somehow gave some other impression, I'm sorry. Perhaps Rich and I

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to raise money for Gentoo

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 9:23 AM, wbrana wbr...@gmail.com wrote: Page www.gentoo.org asks for donations Donate to support our development efforts. Gentoo could get more money if all *.gentoo.org would contain advertisements. I run a technical website with around 6k visits per day, and my

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to raise money for Gentoo

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: wbrana wrote: Page www.gentoo.org asks for donations Donate to support our development efforts. Gentoo could get more money if all *.gentoo.org would

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to raise money for Gentoo

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: wbrana wrote

[gentoo-dev] ship app-arch/pbzip2 instead of app-arch/bzip2

A few months ago, I filed bug 423651 to ask that bzip2 on the install media be replaced with pbzip2. It was closed a short while later, telling me that it'd involve changing what's kept in @system, and that had to be discussed here, rather than in a bug report. Here's a detailed description of

Re: [gentoo-dev] ship app-arch/pbzip2 instead of app-arch/bzip2

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 26.09.2012 22:43, schrieb Matt Turner: On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: A few months ago, I filed bug 423651 to ask that bzip2 on the install media be replaced with pbzip2

Re: [gentoo-dev] ship app-arch/pbzip2 instead of app-arch/bzip2

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: Michael Mol schrieb: A few months ago, I filed bug 423651 to ask that bzip2 on the install media be replaced with pbzip2. If I understand correctly, pbzip2 depends on bzip2. So what you are asking

Re: [gentoo-dev] ship app-arch/pbzip2 instead of app-arch/bzip2

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Christoph Junghans ott...@gentoo.org wrote: 2012/9/26 Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org: On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: Michael Mol

Re: [gentoo-dev] vala.eclass: change vala_src_prepare behavior when USE=-vala

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: El jue, 20-09-2012 a las 10:14 -0400, Ian Stakenvicius escribió: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 20/09/12 09:52 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:13:40 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius

Re: [gentoo-dev] vala.eclass: change vala_src_prepare behavior when USE=-vala

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: El jue, 20-09-2012 a las 18:55 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:54:43 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: That isn't necessary what could occur if the behavior changes unexpectedly: as current

Re: [gentoo-dev] The lack of maintainer causing media-video/mediatomb to be lastrited next

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: Use bugzilla's search for 'mediatomb' and you will find multiple counts of build failures the media-video@ herd is simply not capable of handling due to lack of resources (manpower) So if nobody steps up, I've CCd

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Hans de Graaff gra...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 2012-09-18 at 11:47 +0200, Michał Górny wrote: Yes, and sometimes we're doing 'use test'. I simply don't see how adding a separate group of dependencies just for 'test' phase is going to help us. They fit just

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17 September 2012 20:41, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:49:12 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: Or, even easier and more straightforward: just keep using *DEPEND.

Re: [gentoo-dev] EJOBS variable for EAPI 5?

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Hans de Graaff gra...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 2012-09-12 at 08:58 -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: So essentially what you're saying here is that it might be worthwhile to look into parallelism as a whole and possibly come up with a solution that combines

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unified DEPENDENCIES concept

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/09/12 12:03 PM, Michał Górny wrote: On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 12:46:41 -0300 Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote: I actually do like the concept but I'm not sure we

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Future EAPI] src_fetch() phase function to support VCS fetching

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Hello, As Sid Hayn raised today on #gentoo-portage, it would be useful to finally have portage able to fetch updates from VCS-es independently of src_unpack(). This could be used, for example, on machines temporarily

Re: [gentoo-dev] EJOBS variable for EAPI 5? (was: [RFC] Create a JOBS variable to replace -jX in MAKEOPTS)

On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:12:44AM -0400, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:45:21 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 10:21:15 +0200 Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI usage

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Johannes Huber j...@gentoo.org wrote: [snip] Developers have only a limited amount of time, and this will eat into it. The result is likely to not be new shiny ebuilds that use the new EAPIs, but rather old rusty ones that still use the old EAPI but also

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI usage

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: The primary benefit to the policy that dev's should bump EAPI when bumping ebuilds is so that older inferior EAPIs can be deprecated and eventually

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI usage

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: Michael Mol schrieb: On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: The primary benefit to the policy that dev's should bump

Re: [gentoo-dev] remove system set?

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: Bootstrapping is an inherently curious problem. Most systems are built upon the systems they themselves build, but getting to that self-hosting state

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Gregory M. Turner g...@malth.us wrote: On 8/16/2012 4:59 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: [snip] tldr: I like, approve and otherwise +1 the idea of somehow paring down or eliminating @system but I think it's going to be fairly challenging, so more discussion on this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: The limited-visibility build feature discussed a week or so ago would go a long way in detecting unexpressed build dependencies. I can't say

Re: [gentoo-dev] remove system set?

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Doug Goldstein car...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: [snip] It is only useful for situations where people want to do something unusual. Some would argue that this is the only situation where Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Rich Freeman posted on Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:27:41 -0400 as excerpted: Right now having decent KDE and Gnome support with all the bells and whistles[...] isn't that hard, [It] will likely get harder, which means in practice

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:18:24 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: I've occasionally noticed portage tell me about circular dependencies, where the most straight forward resolution is to emerge some

Re: [gentoo-dev] pid 1 design

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 22:27:37 +0200 Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Rich Freeman wrote: [snip] Systemd isn't a like-for-like replacement for traditional inits. It aims to be much more, so this is a bit of an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Global Systemd USE Flag

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:48:20 +0200 Jason A. Donenfeld ja...@zx2c4.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Not everyone uses bash. Not everyone cares at all about bash-completion.

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