Brian Harring posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:49:56 -0800:
Note I said 'intentional'; seems like people have been pushing for
gentoo as a whole to slow down (note the enterprise
concerns/complaints that hit the ml every 6 months for example).
Dunno.
Torsmo has been inactive upstream for well over a year
http://torsmo.sourceforge.net/changelog.php
The large number of bugs
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=108594atid=650929
and large number of patches
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=108594atid=650931
resulted in a fork -
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:31:42 +
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 04:31:30 + Kurt Lieber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| We haven't done anything interesting or innovative over
| the last...year?
Codswallop. We've done lots of large, innovative changes. You've
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:09:09 + Tom Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| If you'd like to see more interesting or innovative changes, start
| by looking into how we can make it easier for developers to
| advertise what they've been doing.
|
| planet.g.o?
No, that's censored to only display
On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 19:57 -0800, Greg KH wrote:
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 03:58:57AM +, Kurt Lieber wrote:
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 01:17:06PM -0500 or thereabouts, Chris Gianelloni
wrote:
Gentoo is not a distribution of Linux. Gentoo is not anything more than
a loosely bound group
Here are my random two cents
On 1/5/06, Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 19:57 -0800, Greg KH wrote:
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 03:58:57AM +, Kurt Lieber wrote:
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 01:17:06PM -0500 or thereabouts, Chris Gianelloni
wrote:
Gentoo is
On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 23:33 -0500, Andrew Muraco wrote:
I like your idea of having gentoo not being a distro, but moreso a
collection of tools. Mostly because gentoo's method of dealing with
problems (problems that binary distros tend to have, like keeping
software uptodate) are handled in
On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 06:00 +, Kurt Lieber wrote:
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 12:39:05AM -0500 or thereabouts, Alec Warner wrote:
I think some people have attempted things that are interesting or
innovative, although they may not have gotten off of the ground quite
yet.
That's the
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:49:21 -0500 Dan Meltzer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Apparently it does. How many huge threads have you seen lately that
| accomplished nothing? How many threads have people started with great
| ideas, only to give up in disgust because people cause a huge fuss
| about small
Corey Shields wrote:
GLI a third direction (while kicking anyone who wishes to
run with them in the nuts).
What is your problem with the installer project? Over the past year or so, there
have been *2* people that complained about us treating them badly. The first
person was the genux guy.
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 07:18:40 -0600 Andrew Gaffney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| What is your problem with the installer project? Over the past year
| or so, there have been *2* people that complained about us treating
| them badly.
Hrm, have the arch teams really left you in peace for an entire year
Kurt Lieber wrote:
I agree, but it's been in development for...I dunno..almost two years now
I think and it's still not released. I'm not slamming the -installer team
-- I think they're a great bunch of guys, but it does point to our
inability to execute.
If you're not going to do some basic
On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 07:49 -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote:
Personally, I *love* the fact that the Hardened team has differing goals
from Release Engineering. I also don't see how our goals could ever
really be guided by a single vision. That doesn't keep us from working
together to each
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 07:51:39AM -0500 or thereabouts, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
This is what I don't get. So what if Gentoo is an amoeba? Does it
really matter? Would you rather that we dropped Gentoo/ALT, Hardened,
Embedded, and anything else interesting just so we can focus on a core
On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 14:22 +, Kurt Lieber wrote:
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 07:51:39AM -0500 or thereabouts, Chris Gianelloni
wrote:
This is what I don't get. So what if Gentoo is an amoeba? Does it
really matter? Would you rather that we dropped Gentoo/ALT, Hardened,
Embedded, and
On Thursday 05 January 2006 13:24, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
No, that's censored to only display what certain people want it to say
rather than the truth of what's going on.
planet.gentoo.org/universe ?
I have yet to see anything, from rants to personal notes, that didn't got
there (for what I've
On Thursday 05 January 2006 15:59, Stuart Herbert wrote:
Page title: Gentoo Linux - Gentoo Linux News
Yeah ok, let me end up these holidays, and I'll prepare a written request to
change the Linux part in something else (Land if you want to keep the L, or
I'll try to find a name we can use)...
Hi all,
as the debate about the future direction of Gentoo continues it's
getting more and more obvious to me that there's a lack of information
skewing the debate. It seems that while most devs (and users) have a
good idea what's happening in their projects it's quite difficult to
see what is
Patrick Lauer wrote:
Hi all,
as the debate about the future direction of Gentoo continues it's
getting more and more obvious to me that there's a lack of information
skewing the debate. It seems that while most devs (and users) have a
good idea what's happening in their projects it's quite
On 05-01-2006 17:00:15 +0100, Patrick Lauer wrote:
So - as GWN monkey - I'm offering my services as aggregator for project
updates. Maybe someone from the doc project wants to help to get this
information put on the website so that it's visible?
The following crossed my mind: what about a
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:20:09 +0100 Patrick Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| It's getting more and more difficult to get things done, more and
| more people / groups / herds to wait on to decide obvious things.
Hrm, it is? Seems to me that it's no worse that it used to be. It's
just that the
On 01 Jan 2006 05:30:01 Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even
| vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole
| Gentoo dev list to see.
Could you discuss adopting one of the clauses I proposed in the RFC:
On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 15:51 +, Kurt Lieber wrote:
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 08:07:14AM -0500 or thereabouts, Chris Gianelloni
wrote:
Sounds like you'd rather take Gentoo back a few years to the days before
Hardened/Embedded/Alt. I guess we really should just be Gentoo Linux
and ignore
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:28:13 +0100 Grobian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| I'm thinking of quite dull news, so absolutely not meant to be a
| publication like GWN, but just thingis like some commits on the
| portage sources that say to fix/implement X, a discussion on project
| ML Y working on Z.
Would
On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 09:42 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
Really, I don't have any vision for Gentoo and I like it that way.
Amazing words to come from Gentoo's release manager. We might as well
call our releases 'maintenance updates' then if thats the case.
Why
On 05-01-2006 16:41:12 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:28:13 +0100 Grobian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| I'm thinking of quite dull news, so absolutely not meant to be a
| publication like GWN, but just thingis like some commits on the
| portage sources that say to
On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 17:00 +0100, Patrick Lauer wrote:
So - as GWN monkey - I'm offering my services as aggregator for project
updates. Maybe someone from the doc project wants to help to get this
information put on the website so that it's visible?
Funny enough... I was working on this and
Hi Lance,
You started this thread by proposing that: (1) Gentoo is lacking
a direction/goal, (2) this is supported by the lack of ground breaking
enhancements in the past couple of years. Later in the thread you
proposed that (3) the solution may be to appoint a single person to
provide a global
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 11:37:32AM -0500 or thereabouts, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
That says to me exactly what I stated that you said.
Then it's apparent we're not communicating well. I'll leave it at that,
thank you for sharing your opinions and put this thread to bed.
--kurt
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 07:56:30AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
You guys are more than welcome to go apply at Red Hat or Novell.
Some of us already work for companies that produce other Linux
distributions or support the companies that do. :)
thanks,
greg k-h
--
gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
Matthew Marlowe wrote:
Hi all,
The following are just my opinions/summaries:
1) It appears that the most dissatisfied devs are those
who have been proponents of the enterprise aspect
of gentoo. When they say that not much has been
accomplished in the last 2 years, I think you have to
look
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
| Funny enough... I was working on this and forgot to send it out.
|
| I was planning on posting it also on the Release Engineering page, but
| need to turn it into GuideXML first.
Might want to run it through spellcheck
On Thursday 05 January 2006 11:26, Duncan wrote:
This man speaks my mind. That's one of the things I'm worried about with
the Enterprise Gentoo thing, and why I think it will make a better
separate project than part of Gentoo itself.
I agree mostly, too. Just that QA has more aspects than
On Thursday 05 January 2006 16:46, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
Yeah ok, let me end up these holidays, and I'll prepare a written request
to change the Linux part in something else
You should also contact the folks working on the gentoo.org redesign. While
there was a bit of fuss about the
On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 17:00 +0100, Patrick Lauer wrote:
Hi all,
as the debate about the future direction of Gentoo continues it's
getting more and more obvious to me that there's a lack of information
skewing the debate. It seems that while most devs (and users) have a
good idea what's
Hi Kurt,
Kurt Lieber wrote: [Wed Jan 04 2006, 11:31:30PM EST]
Ok, then what should Gentoo do to fix this percieved decline?
Exactly what a lot of folks will have kittens about; appoint a CEO,
leader, boss, manager, etc. (you know, all those corporate-type
words that raise the hackles
Patrick Lauer wrote:
So - as GWN monkey - I'm offering my services as aggregator for project
updates.
I'd rather see the project managers/bosses/dedicated_members doing that
themselves. Fine example might be GDP updates which work quite well, IMHO.
Maybe someone from the doc project wants to
Flameeyes, blubb, dostrow - what about publishing your recent blog
entries as the official news from your projects?
WKR,
-jkt
--
cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth
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Description: OpenPGP digital signature
step 1.
package.mask torsmo
step 2.
get conky the same stable keywords as torsmo
step 3.
put a pre and post install on conky saying you may have got here from torsmo.
step 4.
package.move torsmo - conky
step 5.
be happy that users have been aware of the changes,
be happy that users now have
On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 17:04 -0500, Curtis Napier wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:09:09 + Tom Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| If you'd like to see more interesting or innovative changes, start
| by looking into how we can make it easier for developers to
|
* Daniel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
step 4.
package.move torsmo - conky
This will do _bad_ things if someone has both installed
--
Thomas Matthijs (axxo, knu)
--
gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Heya Matt,
On 1/5/06, Matthew Marlowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Other than small improvements,
I'm not sure anything positive has happened. If anything,
Gentoo appears to be heading more in the desktop
and hobbyist direction.
Server-orientated activities have historically never had the same
On Thursday 05 January 2006 23:04, Curtis Napier wrote:
No, that's censored to only display what certain people want it to say
rather than the truth of what's going on.
Censored? Please expand on this, how is it censored? I thought we were
allowed to put anything Gentoo related we want to
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:39:13 +0100
Thomas Matthijs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Daniel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
step 4.
package.move torsmo - conky
This will do _bad_ things if someone has both installed
Bah, here it's ~ okay because torsmo versions are lower than the
ones of conky:
As I am being hounded by genstef and users for this in the tree, I am
making one more attempt to give everyone a chance to give input on
mozextension.eclass . If I hear nothing of major issue would like to add
to the tree on the 8th of January.
Carsten Lohrke wrote:
On Thursday 05 January 2006 16:46, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
Yeah ok, let me end up these holidays, and I'll prepare a written request
to change the Linux part in something else
You should also contact the folks working on the gentoo.org redesign. While
there
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 04:31:30AM +, Kurt Lieber wrote:
On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 07:57:06PM -0800 or thereabouts, Greg KH wrote:
Which is why Gentoo has jumped the shark and is now on a long, slow
decline.
Ok, then what should Gentoo do to fix this percieved decline?
Exactly
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Jory A. Pratt wrote:
As I am being hounded by genstef and users for this in the tree, I am
making one more attempt to give everyone a chance to give input on
mozextension.eclass . If I hear nothing of major issue would like to add
to the tree on
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 04:31:30AM +, Kurt Lieber wrote:
appoint a CEO, leader, boss, manager, etc. all those corporate-type words
that raise the hackles of nearly everyone on this list.
We have no effective leadership whatsoever. We spend far too much time
arguing among ourselves instead
Hi, I was recently reading this post [1] about gentoo's future, it
mentioned a few items in relation to enterprise Gentoo, and that it
currently needs features that just aren't available yet.
One such example of a feature thats not available yet is GLEP 19: Gentoo
Stable Tree [2].
Now, I
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 11:23:07PM -0500 or thereabouts, Philip Webb wrote:
The final line suggests the writer has no serious interest in Gentoo.
Do your research. You know not of what you speak.
Appoint one person to lead: the Germans did that back in 1933
Excellent. I declare Godwin's
noticed something that doesn't make any sense:
Andrew Muraco wrote:
- the existing portage code would consider +arch as a subset of arch,
the reason both keywords will exist is to maintain compatibility with
older versions of portage which will not recognize this.
would make more sense as:
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 03:11:38PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Nerry there now... Changes:
* Due to overwhelming demand (it's the thing in this GLEP that has
generated least contention!), spaces are not allowed in repository
names.
+1 on this revision, although I demand a pony.
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 11:05, Grant Goodyear wrote:
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: [Sun Jan 01 2006, 05:35:26PM CST]
On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 05:30:01AM +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even
vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 11:52:22PM -0500, Andrew Muraco wrote:
noticed something that doesn't make any sense:
Andrew Muraco wrote:
- the existing portage code would consider +arch as a subset of arch,
the reason both keywords will exist is to maintain compatibility with
older versions
On Thursday 05 January 2006 10:11, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
I might end up being offline over the weekend (and possibly for a while
after that too...), but I'll get around to any feedback as soon as I
can...
While it is entirely nitpicking at this point as I understand what you meant:
Under
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 11:42:36PM -0500, Andrew Muraco wrote:
Anyways, I would personally like to see if this can stir some interest.
I would be willing to help test and help make this GLEP a reality,
however I can not implement this myself as I lack python skills, but I
do want to help
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Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|| ( off1? ( blah1 ) off2? ( blah2 ) blah3 ) - blah3
Can || with more than 2 elemts exist? I mean, || (blah1 blah2 blah3),
not || ( ( blah1 blah2 ) blah3 ). I thought the
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