Re: [gentoo-dev] OffTopic: VMWare ESX

2005-05-04 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > There are also some serious performance issues with I/O. Xen is a much > better way to go in the long run. See Did you read his post that said that wasn't an option? I hope not, because it would be annoying if you poste

Re: [gentoo-dev] OffTopic: VMWare ESX

2005-05-04 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
There are also some serious performance issues with I/O. Xen is a much better way to go in the long run. See http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70161 for the team that's working to bring Xen to life in Gentoo, and the Xen home page at http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/performanc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: emerge-webrsync bandwidth improvement

2005-05-04 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 02:27:02PM +0200, sf wrote: > Is there any way to skip syncing if no patches are found? emerge sync > uses a timestamp for that purpose, doesn't it? Could, yes. Few more pressing things re: emerge-delta-webrsync, namely (order of what I'm hacking on now) A) bzip2 v1.03 i

Re: Re: [gentoo-dev] OffTopic: VMWare ESX

2005-05-04 Thread Matthew Marlowe
ESX is a completely different beast than workstation, or GSX for that matter. Good: - Very, very stable - The only real vmware software designed for server apps - Performance VM QoS for disk, cpu, network, etc - Easily run 30-40 VM's on a strong box w/ good mem - Deals with lots of NIC's assi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 17:31 -0500, David Krider wrote: > I like the customizations of Gentoo on my main machine, where I have the > energy to hold the system's hand through all of the fine tuning. But on > servers and utlity laptops, I don't care. My point is this: why isn't a > "bigger GRP" a goal

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
On Thursday 05 May 2005 01:14, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > For us to support LSB: > > * We'd have to use RPM instead of portage That's not correct, quote from LSB: "The distribution itself may use a different packaging format for its own packages, and of course it may use any available mechanism for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 04 May 2005 17:31:44 -0500 David Krider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 17:26 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > On Wed, 4 May 2005 18:17:53 +0200 Michiel de Bruijne | > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > | Second showstopper is lack of (LSB-)certification; | > | Like it or no

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread David Krider
On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 17:26 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 4 May 2005 18:17:53 +0200 Michiel de Bruijne > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | Second showstopper is lack of (LSB-)certification; > | Like it or not, the typical managers in this world say if product x > | isn't y-certified we wont

Re: [gentoo-dev] OffTopic: VMWare ESX

2005-05-04 Thread John Mylchreest
Unfortunately it has to be vmware. Xen is excellent fro many things, but this ESX server is considerably different to most things. Anyways, aside from that the choice of product has been made. Just not the decision to go with it. So that's what this is for. Some real life feedback. On Wed, 2005-0

Re: [gentoo-dev] OffTopic: VMWare ESX

2005-05-04 Thread Jan Kundrát
John Mylchreest wrote: > basically, What I was wanting to know is actual hands-on experience. > Whats it like? Pros? Cons? What to watch out for? what its exceptionally > good at? whats it exceptionally bad at? bugs? all the normal kind of > questions really. How is it so different to vmware workst

Re: [gentoo-dev] OffTopic: VMWare ESX

2005-05-04 Thread John Mylchreest
Hi there, thanks for getting back to me. basically, What I was wanting to know is actual hands-on experience. Whats it like? Pros? Cons? What to watch out for? what its exceptionally good at? whats it exceptionally bad at? bugs? all the normal kind of questions really. How is it so different to vm

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Ryan
I must say that I agree with Ciaran on this particular point. The current standards that tell you where to put things is lucicrous. A file system is NO different than a piece of code. The whole thing should be manageable by standardized VARIABLES not hard coded standards. Could you imagine how

Re: [gentoo-dev] OffTopic: VMWare ESX

2005-05-04 Thread DK Smith
Quoting John Mylchreest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi All, > > Apologies for posting my question to such lists, but it hits the exact > audience I'm after a response from :) > > Does anyone at work run Vmware ESX Server? If so, could they please get > in touch with me so that I might talk about experi

Re: [gentoo-dev] OffTopic: VMWare ESX

2005-05-04 Thread Omkhar Arasaratnam
John Mylchreest wrote: >Hi All, > >Apologies for posting my question to such lists, but it hits the exact >audience I'm after a response from :) > >Does anyone at work run Vmware ESX Server? If so, could they please get >in touch with me so that I might talk about experiences? > >Regards, >John >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Some new xorg ebuilds

2005-05-04 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Duncan wrote: > However, my question is do you want gcc-4.0.0 bugs yet, or not? I tried > remerging w/ gcc4 without success, and now that I see the .99.5 > snapshot out, before I go trying to upgrade to it, I'm wondering if it's > worth my while to tr

[gentoo-dev] OffTopic: VMWare ESX

2005-05-04 Thread John Mylchreest
Hi All, Apologies for posting my question to such lists, but it hits the exact audience I'm after a response from :) Does anyone at work run Vmware ESX Server? If so, could they please get in touch with me so that I might talk about experiences? Regards, John -- Role:Gentoo Linux K

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 04 May 2005 11:46:28 -0500 Lance Albertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Actually, he does have a point. I know a lot of folks gripe that linux | doesn't have any standard FS layout of where files are etc. If | something like this could be implemented, it would make those people a | lot happ

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Lance Albertson
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 4 May 2005 18:17:53 +0200 Michiel de Bruijne > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | Second showstopper is lack of (LSB-)certification; > | Like it or not, the typical managers in this world say if product x > | isn't y-certified we wont use/support it. Gentoo needs a pro

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 4 May 2005 18:17:53 +0200 Michiel de Bruijne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Second showstopper is lack of (LSB-)certification; | Like it or not, the typical managers in this world say if product x | isn't y-certified we wont use/support it. Gentoo needs a profile for | a LSB-compliant syste

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Michiel de Bruijne
On Wednesday 04 May 2005 11:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello, > > i just returned from a meeting with IBM which was about getting > support for Gentoo Linux (hardware and software). The people from IBM > told me that it's possible for Gentoo to become officially supported > on IBM server hardwa

Re: Antwort: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Brett Curtis
In a sense why i ask, gentoo preloaded would not intrest me. I would like to see things like IBM supports / recommends gentoo-sources-2.6.x. or tested with these CFLAGS with this processor. Or emerge ibm-pixy-dust that would magically 'heal' my server... I have only been at my job / working

Re: Antwort: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Gentoo pre-loaded? Isn't that a contradiction in terms? Seriously though, I too work with xSeries, as well as IBM desktops, and I've loaded Debian, Gentoo and half a dozen other distros on them without incident, as well as pre-Fedora Red Hat and RHEL clones. Left to my own devices (pun intended)

Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
I'm not a lawyer, even in the USA. Maybe it's different in Germany, but here in the USA, the relationships between for-profit and not-for-profit organizations are highly regulated. IBM can (and has) given hardware or sold hardware at lower prices to educational institutions. IBM has made major cont

Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Omkhar Arasaratnam
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well i also was very surprised to become this offering from IBM. I > tried this for a long time with very less success :( > > All i can say is that i talked to IBM's Senior IT Architct for > Principal Linux Services and he

Re: Antwort: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Michael Cummings
On Wednesday 04 May 2005 10:08 am, Omkhar Arasaratnam wrote: > What do we mean by "support". Please bear in mind IBM DOES NOT support > Debian in this fashion AFAIK. IBM may assist with development to some > small extent but if a customer calls in and ask for support - they're > up a creek. My int

Re: Antwort: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Brett Curtis
This sounds great, I run six different types of xseries at work all with gentoo. Never had any issues besides lm_sensors threatening to cook my mobos ;) What exactly would this do for me as a ibm-gentoo user? Is this more or less I can, if this goes through, buy a ibm with gentoo pre-loaded? Th

Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread daniel . kerwin
Well i also was very surprised to become this offering from IBM. I tried this for a long time with very less success :( All i can say is that i talked to IBM's Senior IT Architct for Principal Linux Services and he told me that theres a chance to do this. Of cause he didn't said something about a

Re: Antwort: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Omkhar Arasaratnam
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > I was just going to say something similar, although I'm not an > employee of IBM. Gentoo's parent organization is non-profit, and > IBM is a for-profit international corporation. That means, at least > in the USA, that

Re: Antwort: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 04 May 2005 09:47 am, Daniel Ostrow wrote: > IBM has already been kind enough to donate some hardware to us. It has > yet to arrive at our hosting facility at OSU but I imagine that is only > a matter of time. Once the hardware is in place the ppc64 team (which is > mostly made up of I

Re: Antwort: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
I was just going to say something similar, although I'm not an employee of IBM. Gentoo's parent organization is non-profit, and IBM is a for-profit international corporation. That means, at least in the USA, that any such agreement would need to be negotiated and approved by what Stan Freberg refer

Re: Antwort: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Daniel Ostrow
IBM has already been kind enough to donate some hardware to us. It has yet to arrive at our hosting facility at OSU but I imagine that is only a matter of time. Once the hardware is in place the ppc64 team (which is mostly made up of IBM employees btw) will look into this further. Thanks for the h

Re: Antwort: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Omkhar Arasaratnam
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > First of all there are a lot of questions to answer: > > - Who can do the certification? > - What must be done to become certified? > - What hardwaretypes will IBM offer? > - Will the hardware stay at IBM or somewhere else?

[gentoo-dev] Re: emerge-webrsync bandwidth improvement

2005-05-04 Thread sf
(as described in your blog). On second invocation I got: Looking for available base versions for a delta fetching patches failed fetching snapshot-20050503-20050504.patch.bz2.md5sum no patches found? up to date? syncing Syncing local tree... building file list ... 114391 files to consider Number of

Re: [gentoo-dev] duplicated USE flag (unicode & utf8)

2005-05-04 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Wednesday 04 May 2005 06:29, Mike Frysinger wrote: > ok, the maintainer just put 'utf8' into use.local.desc for no reason ... > the packages dont actually use it About vlc, it used to use it. It was renamed to unicode some time ago. -- Diego "Flameeyes" Pettenò Gentoo Developer (Gentoo/FreeBSD

[gentoo-dev] Re: Some new xorg ebuilds

2005-05-04 Thread Duncan
Donnie Berkholz posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:58:09 -0700: > Daniel Goller wrote: >> do you want both on one bug or seperate bugs, from your email, you do >> want success and problems on bugs.g.o, correct? do you want hardware >> info/binary drivers used add

[gentoo-dev] Re: Antwort: Re: Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Duncan
daniel.kerwin posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Wed, 04 May 2005 11:17:14 +0200: > Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am 04/05/2005 > 11:09:39 AM: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, like the idea, but could you please

Antwort: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread daniel . kerwin
First of all there are a lot of questions to answer: - Who can do the certification? - What must be done to become certified? - What hardwaretypes will IBM offer? - Will the hardware stay at IBM or somewhere else? Aside all IBM customers should request support for Gentoo from IBM because they'll

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Fernando J. Pereda
On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 06:15:28AM -0400, Michael Cummings wrote: > Let me just diplomatically: cool :) Agreed ! :P -- \\|// . . . o o o o O O ( Born to be ) o o ( FREE ) +--ooO--O--Ooo---+ |

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Michael Cummings
Let me just diplomatically: cool :) On Wednesday 04 May 2005 05:03 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello, > > i just returned from a meeting with IBM which was about getting > support for Gentoo Linux (hardware and software). The people from IBM > told me that it's possible for Gentoo to become off

Re: Antwort: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread José Alberto Suárez López
really interesting :) how can i help? El mié, 04-05-2005 a las 11:17 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: > This means it would be officially supported to run Gentoo on IBM > Hardware. This would give Gentoo a status like SUSE, Redhat or > Debian. > This could be the first step to become a support

Antwort: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread daniel . kerwin
This means it would be officially supported to run Gentoo on IBM Hardware. This would give Gentoo a status like SUSE, Redhat or Debian. This could be the first step to become a supported plattform for IBM software products. Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am 04/05/2005 11:09:39 AM:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > i just returned from a meeting with IBM which was about getting support > for Gentoo Linux (hardware and software). The people from IBM told me > that it's possible for Gentoo to become officially supported on IBM > server ha

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware

2005-05-04 Thread daniel . kerwin
Hello, i just returned from a meeting with IBM which was about getting support for Gentoo Linux (hardware and software). The people from IBM told me that it's possible for Gentoo to become officially supported on IBM server hardware (xSeries, pSeries and zSeries). They told me about their hardwa

Re: [gentoo-dev] module-rebuild

2005-05-04 Thread John Mylchreest
I thought about this, but not wanting to depend on gentoolkit makes using equery for example a little awkward. This, I'm sure isn't fully feature-rich yet - and something like this will be the next addition to go in. On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 15:24 +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote: > maillog: 04/05/2005-0

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Cutting down on non-cascaded profiles

2005-05-04 Thread John Myers
On Tuesday 03 May 2005 09:10, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > I think an easier solution would be a portage rescue set of profiles. > These would be minimal profiles not designed for actual use, but only > for performing a portage update for those people that lag too far > behind. The idea would be a ve