Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-09 Thread Alec Warner
On 1/9/08, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:49:40 +0100 > "Wulf C. Krueger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> What's the proper fix for when keyword requests stagnate in > > >> bugzilla? > > > That depends upon whether the keyword request is important. > > > > Let

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and subproject status

2008-01-10 Thread Alec Warner
n 1/7/08, Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here is a list of interesting questions: "Are we fine?" "What are we > going to do?" > > Please project leaders try to reply in short. > > About the stuff I'm involved: > > Are we fine? > GLEPS - Thanks to nesyx I rewrote the glep index to use n

Re: [gentoo-dev] Of Mips and Devs [Was: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January]

2008-01-10 Thread Alec Warner
Continuing on a side angle. I have a 300mhz Octane I'll ship to someone in the US if they need more mips hardware. If you ask nice I might even pay for the shipping. I haven't booted it in ages but it used to work ;) -Alec On 1/10/08, Stuart Longland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kumba wrote: >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: USE flag documentation

2008-01-15 Thread Alec Warner
On 1/15/08, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 17:00 -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: > > My expectation is that `grep "flag" use.local.desc` will give me a > > list of packages using that flag (or having it in the description), > > one per line. Putting paragraphs in there

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Concerns about WIPE_TMP change [offtopic]

2008-01-19 Thread Alec Warner
On 1/19/08, Stefan de Konink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Duncan schreef: > > Richard Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], > > excerpted below, on Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:55:53 -0500: > > > > Obscure? It's the directory name (says

Re: [gentoo-dev] Updated GLEP 46: Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml

2008-01-21 Thread Alec Warner
On 1/21/08, Tiziano Müller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi again > > I updated GLEP46 based on the the discussion before. > You can find it at http://dev.gentoo.org/~dev-zero/glep-0046.txt > > Summary of the changes: > - Added additional "helps treecleaner" motivation > - Added new element along

Re: [gentoo-dev] Updated GLEP 46: Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml

2008-01-21 Thread Alec Warner
On 1/21/08, Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/21/08, Tiziano Müller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi again > > > > I updated GLEP46 based on the the discussion before. > > You can find it at http://dev.gentoo.org/~dev-zero/glep-0046.txt >

Re: [gentoo-dev] archives.gentoo.org linking brokenness

2008-01-27 Thread Alec Warner
On 1/27/08, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2008-01-27 at 01:49 -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > > sequential numbers), but it will be a day or two - restoring the old > > ones is not possible at all. > > Umm... OK. What's the new format? Do we just have to go an manually >

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

2008-01-29 Thread Alec Warner
On 1/29/08, Steve Dibb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Dibb wrote: > > >> Who's going to help? > > > > *volunteers* > > Er, that was meant as an action, not a noun. :) > > Steve > -- > gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list > > I will volunteer, since i work there and I had a good mentoring

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

2008-01-29 Thread Alec Warner
On 1/29/08, joshua jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > George Prowse wrote: > > Grant Goodyear wrote: > >> Google has been hinting not-so-subtlely that there's going to be > >> a 2008 Google Summer of Code. I expect that if we want to participate, > >> we're going to have to have our ducks in a r

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to get more involved?

2008-01-30 Thread Alec Warner
On 1/30/08, Torsten Rehn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 31 January 2008, Mateusz Mierzwinski wrote: > > What should I do to make ebuilds and upload it to main portage mirror? > > Take a look at the Gentoo docs on writing[1] and contributing[2] ebuilds. If > you've got any further question

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2008 Google Summer of Code

2008-01-31 Thread Alec Warner
On 1/31/08, Fabian Groffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 29-01-2008 12:24:56 -0800, Alec Warner wrote: > > > To give a short answer, its a combination of projects suggested by > > > developer and projects submitted by the students. They get reviewed by > > >

[gentoo-dev] I want to steal your tools

2008-02-02 Thread Alec Warner
So it seems to me that we have tons of tools out there that people have writtten and we need to aggregrate and document them. I don't care necessarily how shitty they are, how old they are, what language they are in, or even who wrote them. I care that they are open source or public domain; that

Re: [gentoo-dev] new portage categories

2008-02-06 Thread Alec Warner
On 2/4/08, Jonas Bernoulli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/4/08, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 20:11 Mon 04 Feb , Jonas Bernoulli wrote: > > > Thinking about it again I would say tags and categories just fulfill > > > different purposes. Tags can not replace categories but

Re: [gentoo-dev] irregular metdata.xml check - 3rd edition

2008-02-12 Thread Alec Warner
On 2/12/08, Robin H. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 10:01:16PM +0100, Thilo Bangert wrote: > > Noteworthy errors > > === > > herd without email: comm-fax > > Proxy maintainer without gentoo association 15 > Two specific feature requests:

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: adding support for running eautoconf to base.eclass

2008-02-12 Thread Alec Warner
On 2/12/08, Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What do you think about adding support to base.eclass for running > eautoreconf? > > so instead of > > src_unpack() { > unpack ${A} > cd "${A}" > eautoreconf > } > > would just add > > EAUTORECONF="yes" > inherit base Th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2008-02-17 23h59 UTC

2008-02-18 Thread Alec Warner
Why can't every week be like this. Remove more packages :) On 2/17/08, Robin H. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed > from the tree, for the week ending 2008-02-17 23h59 UTC. > > Removals: > media-video/usb-pwc-re

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of ebuild

2008-02-23 Thread Alec Warner
On 2/20/08, Felipe Contreras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi gentooists, > > I've been reading news sites about some changes happening in Gentoo > and I thought it might be a good time to submit some ideas I've been > baking for several years. > > I come from a Linux From Scratch background, I

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of ebuild

2008-02-23 Thread Alec Warner
On 2/23/08, Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/20/08, Felipe Contreras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi gentooists, > > > > I've been reading news sites about some changes happening in Gentoo > > and I thought it might be a good time

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of ebuild

2008-02-24 Thread Alec Warner
On 2/24/08, Felipe Contreras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 2/20/08, Felipe Contreras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > b) Error are difficult to handle since bash doesn'

Re: [gentoo-dev] Google SOC 2008

2008-02-26 Thread Alec Warner
On 2/26/08, joshua jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rémi Cardona wrote: > > joshua jackson a écrit : > >> 2) We need mentors, so far confirmed I have: Diego and Saleem > > > > What kind of work is involved there? I wouldn't mind being a mentor > > but I'd like to know a bit more about what

Re: [gentoo-dev] Keyword request interface (SoC candidate?)

2008-02-28 Thread Alec Warner
cvs.gentoo.org:/var/cvsroot/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/userrel/index2008.xml Add it ;) On 2/28/08, Santiago M. Mola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I splitted this from the SoC thread so the possible discussion doesn't > add noise to the original thread. > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 7:32 PM, joshua

Re: [gentoo-dev] Google SOC 2008

2008-02-29 Thread Alec Warner
Check your idea into cvs.. ;) On 2/29/08, JoseAlberto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have some ideas to improve GNAP (last year was a nice experience): > > - live upgrade > - squashfs pkgs > - unionfs > > i think this 3 task can fit in only one project. > > - use new catalyst > > This is the

Re: [gentoo-dev] One request for the next SoC: non already-devs students

2008-03-02 Thread Alec Warner
On 3/2/08, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I know this is going to stir up quite some discussion, but I do think > it's worth trying requesting it at least. > > In the past two years we had quite a few applications from students that > were already full-fledged Gentoo d

Re: [gentoo-dev] One request for the next SoC: non already-devs students

2008-03-02 Thread Alec Warner
On 3/2/08, Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/2/08, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I know this is going to stir up quite some discussion, but I do think > > it's worth trying requesting it at least. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for March

2008-03-05 Thread Alec Warner
On 3/5/08, Anant Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 06-Mar-08, at 2:35 AM, Petteri Räty wrote: > > Thomas Anderson kirjoitti: > >> Arch Testers don't have tree access. This proposal gives the > >> package maintainer the ability to commit their changes. > > > > How would you ensure ebuil

Re: [gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2008-03-09 23h59 UTC

2008-03-09 Thread Alec Warner
On 3/9/08, Robin H. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed > from the tree, for the week ending 2008-03-09 23h59 UTC. > > Removals: > media-fonts/fonts-indic 2008-03-03 03:36:49 dirtyepic > media-plugins/my

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for March

2008-03-09 Thread Alec Warner
On 3/9/08, Natanael Copa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 19:48 +0100, Marius Mauch wrote: > > > What exact time constraints and responsibilities are people afraid of? > > Are those concerns real or just myths? > > > As someone who just sent in the quiz, yes its real concerns

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for March

2008-03-10 Thread Alec Warner
On 3/10/08, Peter Volkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > В Пнд, 10/03/2008 в 06:12 +0100, Natanael Copa пишет: > > > Took me weeks to complete the quiz. I want to help, yes, but I do have > > a life. > > > What were the problems? Do you think that knowledge of answers to the > questions asked in qui

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Keywords policy

2008-03-10 Thread Alec Warner
[+gentoo-dev] I'm just going to jump randomly in here. Also, moving this back to -dev as it is not a private matter. The bread and butter of this is what: A. KDE team drops arch keywords for KDE 4, since KDE4 is new. B. Jer re-keywords KDE4 on HPPA but doesn't try installing the software to ma

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Keywords policy

2008-03-10 Thread Alec Warner
On 3/10/08, Wulf C. Krueger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A. KDE team drops arch keywords for KDE 4, since KDE4 is new. > > > Basically, yes. > > > > C. Jer misses keywords because the KDE team did not provide a distinct > > list of packages > > > Because we didn't even ask for re-keywording. :-

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Keywords policy

2008-03-11 Thread Alec Warner
On 3/10/08, Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:26:19 +0100 > > "Wulf C. Krueger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> No, we didn't because the whole thing is p.masked for a reason. It, > >> KDE 4.0.1, is broken crap that should not yet be re

Re: [gentoo-dev] Help offered - Portage tree

2008-03-12 Thread Alec Warner
On 3/12/08, Robin H. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:57:29AM +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > > So, to sum up, if we can build a better communication way it could be > > useful for both sides. I'm going to steal robin's issue summary ;) > > - "Most of the Gentoo e

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?

2009-07-09 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Andrew D Kirch wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> < trelane> ciaranm: I want Paludis to fail. It's unhealthy (or at least >> the loudest and most visible of it's devs are) for Gentoo. >> >> < trelane> lets be VERY clear on that point. So long as Paludis, and >> the c

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: News item for default-linux removal (bug #287976)

2009-10-21 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: > Samuli Suominen wrote: >> For http://bugs.gentoo.org/287976, A news item: >> Would this work? > > -- cut -- > > Title: Usage of default-linux as profile is obsolete > Author: Samuli Suominen > Content-Type: text/plain > Posted: 2009-10-21

Re: [gentoo-dev] metadata.xml:

2010-02-26 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Stop. > > Is introduction of such a high level of bureaucracy really a good idea? > > In my eyes it could backfire and make matters worse as people either > - start ignoring it due to high noise > - reduce people's activity below set per

Re: [gentoo-dev] sudo vs su

2010-02-28 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Denis Dupeyron wrote: > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:20 PM, William Hubbs wrote: >> I am starting this thread because I don't understand why people are >> using sudo and su together.  They are completely separate utilities that >> do the same thing.  AFAIK, it shou

Re: [gentoo-dev] sudo vs su

2010-02-28 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Mike Auty wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hiya William, >        Sudo can be used to restrict access, so that only certain programs can > be run using it.  It asks for your password rather than the user you're > trying to login to (unl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Marking bugs for bugday?

2010-03-01 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Sebastian Pipping posted on Tue, 02 Mar 2010 01:02:05 +0100 as excerpted: > >> Quoting Ioannis Aslanidis : >>> I would prefer to keep the keyword for Bugday Members to administer. >> >> I don't think that sending mails would wor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Marking bugs for bugday?

2010-03-02 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > On 03/01/10 22:17, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote: >> getting control of bugday.gentoo.org and be able to upload our own >> content would be great. > > The current page is said to generate one XML request per bug listed on > the page for each re

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: net-misc/tipcutils

2010-03-02 Thread Alec Warner
Why make the fixes when we can announce package-death on -dev and get the fixes for free from concerned users? :) On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:29 AM, malc wrote: > Markos, > > Provided trivial debug/fix on bug. I'm an ex-dev so I know the > workload - but I'd love to see QA be looking to make these

Re: [gentoo-dev] Marking bugs for bugday?

2010-03-02 Thread Alec Warner
I propose a value that you can set at runtime. We do this at work with the gflags package (already in the tree) or a config file. -A On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > On 03/02/10 21:47, Alec Warner wrote: >> I would recommend not hardcoding 10 seconds; but

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite: games-fps/openarena

2010-03-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: > On Wednesday 03 March 2010 18:29:13 Mark Loeser wrote: >> Michael Sterrett said: >> > I've remove the mask for games-fps/openarena. >> > >> > The mask was done without consulting the games team. >> >> This is no reason to remove the mask.  

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Reorganizing handling of target specific profiles (Was: Split desktop profile patches & news item for review)

2010-03-08 Thread Alec Warner
Hehe, http://dev.gentoo.org/~antarus/essays/mixin-profiles.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 antarus users 2653 Jun 4 2006 mixin-profiles.txt -A On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Peter Hjalmarsson wrote: > mån 2010-03-08 klockan 19:13 +0200 skrev Mart Raudsepp: > >> Instead I think we should be improving "esel

Re: [gentoo-dev] How about a monthly bumpday?

2010-03-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Mark Loeser wrote: > Mike Frysinger said: >> On Tuesday 09 March 2010 23:08:24 Sebastian Pipping wrote: >> > We have about 500 bump request open at the moment: >> > https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=bump >> > >> > I assume that quite a few of them wo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-11 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Jacob Godserv wrote: > The problem here, I think, is everyone has their opinion about what it > means for something to go stable, and I haven't seen more than one or > two references to what has been predetermined as policy for > stabilization. I think we should do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

2010-03-11 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 11 March 2010 00:10:00 Jeroen Roovers wrote: >> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:42:43 + (UTC) Duncan wrote: >> > So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at >> > least if they want calendar access? >> > >> > Wha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages pulling in python-3*, also they dont require it

2010-03-18 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 18 March 2010 20:24, Fabian Groffen wrote: >> On 18-03-2010 20:20:02 +0100, Thomas Sachau wrote: >>> There are 2 ways to fix this issue: >>> >>> -fix the dependency string for those packages (including the lines in >>> distutils.eclass) >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Packages pulling in python-3*, also they dont require it

2010-03-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 03/19/2010 10:57 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> >> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:54:28 -0500 >> Dale  wrote: >>> >>> Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:17:17 +0100 Ben de Groot   wrote: > Because it is extrem

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Joshua Saddler wrote: > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:14:44 +0100 > Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > >> 2010-03-24 17:57:35 Joshua Saddler napisał(a): >> > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:43:56 +0100 >> > Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: >> > > Python main

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 24 March 2010 18:23, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis > wrote: >> 2010-03-24 17:56:48 Ben de Groot napisał(a): >>> On 24 March 2010 17:43, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis >>> wrote: >>> > 2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-26 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Dale wrote: > Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: >> >> 2010-03-26 16:40:37 Brian Harring napisał(a): >> >>> >>> There really isn't a precedent since upgrades of this sort typically >>> either have extremely locked down deps, or just plain don't happen >>> t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Handling of keywording bugs with only one arch

2010-03-27 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Torsten Veller wrote: > * Petteri Räty : >> So let's summarize for assigning to the single arch: > >> In support (and my comments in support): >>  - Can be used as a gentle reminder for slacker arches > > And if not "only one arch" or "single arch" is slacking? > I

Re: [gentoo-dev] when to use a function and an implementation use flag.

2010-03-28 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Doug Goldstein wrote: > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Petteri Räty wrote: >> On 03/24/2010 08:30 PM, Peter Hjalmarsson wrote: >> >>> For qemu-kvm the problem is that there is only one implementation (i.e. >>> gnutls), and if I want to have ssl support I have t

Re: [gentoo-dev] perl eclass review - EAPI=3 + new helper eclass

2010-03-30 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 4:11 AM, Torsten Veller wrote: > The perl-module.eclass must be updated to support EAPI=3 [1] and > a new eclass will be added which does contain some (more or less) useful > stand-alone functions split from the old perl-module.eclass without > exporting phase functions. >

[gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-30 Thread Alec Warner
Hello, Currently a number of developers have engaged Google Apps Team Edition for gentoo.org. However Team Edition does not come with gmail and a subset of Team Edition users would like to host their gentoo.org mail on gmail. Activating Standard Edition is free and likely requires minimal configu

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-30 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Wednesday 31 March 2010 01:28:56 Alec Warner wrote: >> Currently a number of developers have engaged Google Apps Team Edition >> for gentoo.org.  However Team Edition does not come with gmail and a >> subset of Tea

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Google Apps Standard Edition @ gentoo.org

2010-03-30 Thread Alec Warner
< ferringb> why don't you go write a *proper* response to spanky w/ this info instead of a freaking link? 23:42 < ferringb> ya lazy bastard? 23:42 < antarus> I'm le tired, I will nap and then fire ze missiles? On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Alec Warner wrote: > O

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo dying?

2010-04-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Tobias Scherbaum wrote: > Am Samstag, den 03.04.2010, 15:40 +0100 schrieb Roy Bamford: >> First, we need some metrics - the first step to controlling anything is >> to measure it. > > So, how do you want to measure those metrics? I for one can't think of a > useful

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should we disable RESOLVED LATER from bugzilla?

2010-04-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Petteri Räty wrote: > On 04/03/2010 06:25 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: >> On 03-04-2010 09:50, Petteri Räty wrote: >>> I don't think later is valid resolution. If there's a valid bug it just >>> means it's never looked at again. If the bug is not valid the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should we disable RESOLVED LATER from bugzilla?

2010-04-03 Thread Alec Warner
2010/4/3 Gilles Dartiguelongue : > Le samedi 03 avril 2010 à 12:50 +0300, Petteri Räty a écrit : >> I don't think later is valid resolution. If there's a valid bug it just >> means it's never looked at again. If the bug is not valid then a >> different resolution should be used. So what do you thin

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Pheonix] Heartbeat team force

2010-04-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > I'm calling for participation in a new team working on things around > reports, bug analysis, heartbeat tracking in Gentoo: I will help with scripting; but probably not much else. -A > > > Goals > = > - help track the heartbeat/brea

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo dying?

2010-04-03 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote: > On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 11:16:32 +0200 > Tobias Scherbaum wrote: > >> - Our formerly outstanding documentation still is somewhat maintained, >> but that's it. I haven't seen any new additions (both to our docs, but >> also to our docs-team) for

Re: [gentoo-dev] [git migration] The problem of ChangeLog generation

2010-04-13 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Matti Bickel wrote: > Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >> From my PoV, editing ChangeLog is like editing history. Complete no-no. > > It is possible in all major SCMs for a reason. And I (as a user) would > laugh at Changelog entries saying "um, I got that bug number wrong,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Requiring two sets of eyes for all eclass commits

2010-04-25 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 4:36 AM, Ryan Hill wrote: > On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:11:11 +0300 > Petteri Räty wrote: > >> On 04/25/2010 01:06 PM, Ryan Hill wrote: > >> > I think it's a good idea to strongly encourage it, but actually forcing it >> > through cvs?  No thanks.  I'm not tracking down another

Re: [gentoo-dev] A policy to support random superuser account names

2010-04-30 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to put an emphasis on the fact that many eclasses > and ebuilds in gx86 are relying on an assumption that the superuser > account is always supposed to be named 'root'. > > In fact, no such constraint exists. Although

Re: [gentoo-dev] A policy to support random superuser account names

2010-04-30 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to put an emphasis on the fact that many eclasses > and ebuilds in gx86 are relying on an assumption that the superuser > account is always supposed to be named 'root'. > > In fact, no such constraint exists. Although

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Changes in python_mod_optimize(), python_mod_cleanup() and python_mod_compile()

2010-05-25 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:19 AM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis > wrote: >> 2010-05-25 21:11:44 Petteri Räty napisał(a): >>> 1. Messages to gentoo-dev-announce should also be posted to an on topic >>> mailing lists >> >> I don't like

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: bug wrangler queue is large...

2010-05-26 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Jeroen Roovers posted on Wed, 26 May 2010 05:08:44 +0200 as excerpted: > >> On Tue, 25 May 2010 23:40:44 +0200 >> Harald van Dijk wrote: >> >>> Yes, people like myself who don't normally wrangle bugs but try to help >>> out occ

Re: [gentoo-dev] Actions of python team, especially Arfrever wrt python eclass and python-3*

2010-06-06 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Thomas Sachau wrote: > Am 06.06.2010 15:44, schrieb Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis: >> 2010-06-06 12:40:28 Thomas Sachau napisał(a): >>> Additionally, it should define the supported slots, something like this: >>> >>> SUPPORTED_RUBY_SLOTS="1.8 1.9" or >>> SUPPO

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Moving more developer data to LDAP, for scalability/redundancy (away, foward, permissive, SMTP password, plan) [WAS: Suggestion to ask devs to change their bugzilla name]

2010-06-10 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Theo Chatzimichos wrote: > On Friday 11 June 2010 06:27:26 Robin H. Johnson wrote: >> Related to integration of that, I would like opinions on moving some >> data from developer home directories into LDAP. I already placed the SPF >> data straight into LDAP, since

Re: [gentoo-dev] FW: [Bug 150091] app-forensics/samhain ebuild issues

2010-06-12 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 8:39 PM, wrote: > Why was a valid package removed for an errant comment in the ebuild? > It's not dead upstream, and someone (me) took the time to actually look > at it and note that the issue was at least mostly addressed, except for > the comment. I'm pretty sure the pr

Re: [gentoo-dev] The mis-concept of "slacking" in Gentoo

2010-06-15 Thread Alec Warner
+project, -dev On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Hello! > > > When you are active in Gentoo during one week and less active during the > next it may happen that people (sometimes jokingly) call you a > "slacker".  This pattern seems to have become common enough that peop

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-15 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Hello! > > > Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo. > > As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the > atmosphere in Gentoo is lacking respect and empathy. > > I have searched a few places for rules on tone, lookin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 06/16/2010 08:43 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: >> >> On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:33:27 +0200 >> Sebastian Pipping  wrote: >> >>> Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo. >>> >>> As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: > On 06/17/10 16:37, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >>> I don't know what gave you the idea that the list of the Developer >>> Relations project members is private. > > Also, Willinks reports the alias to be empty, unlike with other aliases: > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding AdobeFlash-10{,.1} licenses to EULA group

2010-06-18 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 2:08 AM, Lars Wendler wrote: > Am Freitag 18 Juni 2010, 03:42:29 schrieb Brian Harring: >> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 05:14:16PM -0500, Dale wrote: >> > Lars Wendler wrote: >> > > Am Mittwoch 16 Juni 2010, 14:45:21 schrieb Angelo Arrifano: >> > >> On 16-06-2010 14:40, Jim Rams

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council manifesto of sping

2010-06-21 Thread Alec Warner
That is a very audacious vision you have. I am curious if you have any priorities set for the list you provided. At first reading it appears like you have more work than any one person could complete (nay, even a skilled council would be hard pressed to finish everything there.) My intention is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] debug USE flag misuse

2010-07-01 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 07/01/2010 11:00 PM, Ryan Hill wrote: >> >> [...] >> The way to control compiler flags in Gentoo is CFLAGS. > > That is true.  However, there's a problem; you can control package options > of individual packages with USE flags, but you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] debug USE flag misuse

2010-07-01 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Vaeth wrote: > Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> >> If you use portage than you can control per-package CFLAGS using >> bashrc and /etc/portage/env or similar functionality. > > This is correct, but the problem is that an ebuild author or > upstream cannot set a "default

Re: [gentoo-dev] versionator.eclass: convert to eshopts_{push,pop}

2010-07-18 Thread Alec Warner
Can we do away with all the extra foo && return bullshit and just set a trap? trap "eshopts pop" RETURN ? On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > now that eutils.eclass contains a common version of safely handling shopts > settings, we can drop the local versionator.eclass cod

Re: [gentoo-dev] versionator.eclass: convert to eshopts_{push,pop}

2010-07-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Monday, July 19, 2010 03:38:39 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:17:45 -0700 Alec Warner wrote: >> > Can we do away with all the extra foo && return bullshit and just set >> > a trap?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Locale check in python_pkg_setup()

2010-07-31 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > 2010-07-30 04:36:22 Brian Harring napisał(a): >> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 01:16:42AM +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar >> Arahesis wrote: >> > --- python.eclass >> > +++ python.eclass >> > @@ -355,6 +355,8 @@ >> >     #

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Add --hash-style=gnu to LDFLAGS

2010-08-07 Thread Alec Warner
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: > On Sat, Aug 07, 2010 at 05:32:42PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> On Saturday, August 07, 2010 12:32:31 Markos Chandras wrote: >> > It seems like few of our fellow developers don't know how to track down >> > packages that don't respect LDF

Re: [gentoo-dev] status of releng project

2010-08-12 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 12 August 2010 17:13, Thilo Bangert wrote: >>> Ben de Groot said: On 9 August 2010 14:29, Mike Frysinger wrote: > sure would be nice if someone picked up the installer agai

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Cleanup of the "Get Gentoo" page

2010-08-16 Thread Alec Warner
I have access to main/en and I am willing to do website stuff; just nothing with a quick turnaround. I know guidexml and enough xsl to be dangerous. -A On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 17 August 2010 02:43, Joshua Saddler wrote: >> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:34:08 +0300 >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Treecleaner Project: Maintainer-needed page

2010-08-20 Thread Alec Warner
Are you generating this and checking it in or is infra generating it on their end? I have some ideas for formatting and layout; plus it looks like you are just blobbing all the packages directly into the GuideXML which kind of sucks for structured data like this. Typically I'd go for something li

Re: [gentoo-dev] Treecleaner Project: Maintainer-needed page

2010-08-20 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:11:57AM -0700, Alec Warner wrote: >> Are you generating this and checking it in or is infra generating it >> on their end? >> >> I have some ideas for formatting and layout; plus it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please help us decide naming scheme for cmake use calls

2010-08-23 Thread Alec Warner
2010/8/23 Tomáš Chvátal : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > as we discussed on scons.eclass thread at -dev ml we should have some > nice naming scheme for use_xxx calls with cmake and scons. And it should > be done in same fashion. for both So please head up to the formus

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA last rites for net-misc/omnievents

2010-08-30 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Diego E. Pettenò wrote: > > # Diego E. Pettenņ (30 Aug 2010) > #  on behalf of QA team > # > # Initial import in 2005 and never bumped; no users in tree; What does 'no users in tree' mean? No revdeps? > # since revision 1.2 it has been installing the conf.d fil

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per package eclass GLEP

2010-09-19 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Matti Bickel wrote: > I'm a couple weeks late with this, but here goes: > from my failed attempts at reviving GLEP33 grow a discussion with > ferringb on IRC about how to get what I wanted anyway :) I've placed my immediate feedback in CVS: http://sources.gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per package eclass GLEP

2010-09-20 Thread Alec Warner
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 5:19 AM, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote: > On 9/19/10 9:14 PM, Matti Bickel wrote: >> So, yeah, what do you think? Is it worth it? > > I second this GLEP. It seems like it will cleanly replace our hacked > eblits implementations from packages like php, glibc, and possibly more.

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc stabilization update

2010-09-26 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:57:42 Petteri Räty wrote: >> On 09/26/2010 07:30 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote: >> > On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 08:37:35 -0400 Jacob Godserv wrote: >> >> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:32:49 -0400 Mike Frysinger wrote: >> >>> ma

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage to die on sure-enough _FORTIFY_SOURCE overflows

2010-09-28 Thread Alec Warner
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > Hi all, > > since the last time I asked Zac about this it came back to bite me[1] > this time I'm going to send the announce to the list first, and if > nobody can actually come up with a good reason not to, I'm going to ask > Zac tomorr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: .la files and their future on Gentoo

2010-10-06 Thread Alec Warner
The portion that is not clear to me is why there is so much animosity against a var to enable .la files. I find the folks commenting to be very technical. I trust that removing .la files is the right choice to make here. What I don't grok is when someone makes a statement like 'removing .la file

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changes in server profiles

2010-10-29 Thread Alec Warner
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:21 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:02:20PM +, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi. >> >> On 29-10-2010 11:03, Markos Chandras wrote: >> > Hi >> > >> > I don't know how many of you are u

Re: [gentoo-dev] Changes in server profiles

2010-10-31 Thread Alec Warner
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Alex Alexander wrote: > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:50:02AM +, Markos Chandras wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 10:59:08PM -0400, Richard Freeman wrote: >> > On 10/30/2010 08:10 AM, Thomas Sachau wrote: >> > > If i remember it right, the server profile was crea

Re: [gentoo-dev] perl, sed and non-gsed

2005-04-07 Thread Alec Warner
Brian Harring wrote: On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 01:02:26PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 06:04:03 -0500 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | You know apple ain't going to support the broken mess that results, | and nor will we most likely. That is why we can't go replaci

Re: [gentoo-dev] Automatically replace -mtune= with -mcpu= if not supported by gcc?!

2005-04-17 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Sunday 17 April 2005 09:50 am, Philipp Hasse wrote: > >>This way it can be used to set the -mcpu and -mtune flags correctly. > > > not worth the added crap imho > -mike Better to have it fail and have the users fix their

Re: [gentoo-dev] cleaning out 'bc' and 'ed' from system

2005-04-24 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anthony de Boer wrote: > Alin Nastac wrote: > >>when was the last time you used ed? it is a completely useless editor, >>peeps use vim instead. > > > I use "vi", not "vim", though of course the former is a symlink to the > latter on Linux systems fo

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