Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: shoving utils from xpdf to poppler...

2006-01-03 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 20:25, Luis F. Araujo wrote: Portage does not resolve block correctly, look at bugzilla there are tons of bugs open. So i suppose we should avoid using this kind of notation whenever possible. See, it's not possible to avoid that with the current Portage version.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-05 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 05 January 2006 11:26, Duncan wrote: This man speaks my mind. That's one of the things I'm worried about with the Enterprise Gentoo thing, and why I think it will make a better separate project than part of Gentoo itself. I agree mostly, too. Just that QA has more aspects than

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-05 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 05 January 2006 16:46, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: Yeah ok, let me end up these holidays, and I'll prepare a written request to change the Linux part in something else You should also contact the folks working on the gentoo.org redesign. While there was a bit of fuss about the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-05 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 05 January 2006 23:04, Curtis Napier wrote: No, that's censored to only display what certain people want it to say rather than the truth of what's going on. Censored? Please expand on this, how is it censored? I thought we were allowed to put anything Gentoo related we want to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-06 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Friday 06 January 2006 16:27, Lance Albertson wrote: As seen from the discussion earlier this week, I don't think Gentoo has the proper open-mindness to create a proper enterprise distro. This has nothing to with open-mindness, but having enough people doing the general maintenance of a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-07 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Sunday 01 January 2006 06:30, Mike Frysinger wrote: Keep in mind that every resubmission to the council for review must first be sent to the gentoo-dev mailing list 7 days (minimum) before being submitted as an agenda item which itself occurs 7 days before the meeting. Simply put, the

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-proxy/squid should be demoted to ~mips

2006-01-08 Thread Carsten Lohrke
You don't have to care, Alin. Mips is not among the security-wise supported¹ architectures. Then only problem I see in general is, that every single subproject defines what is supported and the information is scattered on the different gentoo.org documentation pages (release, security,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-08 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Sunday 08 January 2006 01:38, Brian Harring wrote: Asking people to focus on cleaning the tree? Sure. Generate a list of candidates would help. Blocking new packages? No... I can't say I did not expect negative replies and generating a list of candidates is at least a suggestion. But a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-08 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Sunday 08 January 2006 01:35, Stuart Herbert wrote: I agree that some cleaning is needed (and some of my packages are desperate for it!), but I'm totally opposed to this idea. I think the idea of shutting up shop for three months (presumably with a closed for refurbishment sign on the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-08 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Sunday 08 January 2006 15:01, Brian Harring wrote: Guessing you missed the previous flame war about how trying to force people to do something doesn't actually work? When it's not common sense, that every dev is supposed to do a minimal on general QA, Gentoo has a problem. You're assuming

Re: [gentoo-dev] Duplicate licences

2006-01-21 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Saturday 21 January 2006 09:08, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Were that the case, we'd do as Debian do and distribute a licence with every single package. I bet there're more than a few ebuilds where this isn't the case. You can't even blame anyone, since there's no proper licence section in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Berlios-hosted SRC_URI components

2006-02-19 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Sunday 19 February 2006 10:20, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: It gets worse still. It looks like many our mirrors have broken copies of certain Berlios-hosted tarballs. Shouldn't that be a general problem with our mirrors - unless Berlios got hacked and modified tarballs injected, of course?!

Re: [gentoo-dev] Berlios-hosted SRC_URI components

2006-02-19 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Sunday 19 February 2006 11:32, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: As I understand it, our mirror scripts rely upon wget being able to fetch the correct tarball from the original location. Well, I'd expect them to fail gracefully when the tarball is clearly invalid and not to inject the junk. But I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Berlios-hosted SRC_URI components

2006-02-20 Thread Carsten Lohrke
Got a positive answer. Any remaining issues? Carsten pgpNZUjiYYIkb.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Berlios-hosted SRC_URI components

2006-02-20 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 20 February 2006 19:51, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Positive as in yes, we'll fix it, or positive as in yes, we're mangling the tarballs and we hate you? Positive as in already fixed. Carsten pgpBBuf9e1rQs.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gratuitous useflaggery (doc and examples)

2006-03-04 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Saturday 04 March 2006 16:43, Dan Armak wrote: If you're concerned about diskspace you can filter out /usr/share/doc entirely, so users do have the choice. The problem here is that the docs USE flag is off by default. Making more packages use the flag would install less docs. Has anyone

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gratuitous useflaggery (doc and examples)

2006-03-04 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Saturday 04 March 2006 02:04, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: This is undocumented and unofficial, so feel free to utterly ignore it and commit whatever the heck you want. The 'doc' and 'examples' (yay for consistency!) Don't now, if I guess right what you want to say, but there's no plural of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gratuitous useflaggery (doc and examples)

2006-03-06 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 06 March 2006 17:39, Paul de Vrieze wrote: I guess some advanced /etc/portage/bashrc magic isn't enough for you? There are some neat tricks you can play with that. I consider this sort of ugly hack. And I don't see the point why everyone should do this, while a maintainer, even when

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gratuitous useflaggery (doc and examples)

2006-03-06 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 06 March 2006 17:49, Paul de Vrieze wrote: Documentation is uncountable. So no singular or plural ;-) Uh, that was meant ironic, considering Ciaran's remarks to others, that they should know about this or that, leading to the one or the other inflaming thread. But thanks for the

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlay support current proposal?

2006-03-25 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Saturday 25 March 2006 12:49, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: NetBSD, OpenBSD, GNU/kFreeBSD, GNU/Hurd, Solaris? It's great that you and others are working on alternative platforms, but regarding decisions which tools we use, our main platforms are of interest. Everyone else should/has to

Re: [gentoo-dev] overlay support current proposal?

2006-03-25 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Saturday 25 March 2006 19:50, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: This is the same line of thinking that makes people use flash or wmv because it's the silly Linux users that has to adapt, Windows works fine and similar. It's not. Darcs is not proprietary, so you can make it work if you

[gentoo-dev] questionable usefulness of virtual/pdfviewer,psviewer

2006-03-27 Thread Carsten Lohrke
Got a request¹ providing them, but I don't see any sense in it at all. The only package using it is app-office/lyx. Imho the dependency should be removed, since it is a optional runtime dependency the user has to configure anyways, so it'll never work out of the box. This sort of virtual is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Not offering help to certain parts of society

2006-04-01 Thread Carsten Lohrke
Given that most of the world not necessarily knows who the Amish are, it should be added, that they form the heart and soul of the north american technology elite¹. Carsten [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish pgpDbje8gW1U8.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [last rites] media-gfx/sodipodi

2006-04-01 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 30 March 2006 01:55, Mark Loeser wrote: Not directed specifically at you, but it seems a lot of people are masking stuff and removing it very quickly, and I'd really like to see everyone wait the 30 days to remove something from the tree. That way anyone using this package in some

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk2 use flag must die

2006-04-02 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Sunday 02 April 2006 20:41, Mike Frysinger wrote: nothing personal, but who are you to say whether it's legit ? It's really not a question what's legit (heck, you started using this term, so blaming Olivier for using it is a bit odd), but what we (can and want to) support. Wouldn't it have

Re: [gentoo-dev] [last rites] media-gfx/sodipodi

2006-04-02 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Sunday 02 April 2006 04:48, Daniel Goller wrote: exactly, what's the point of removing it so fast? give people a chance to miss it, it does not matter if it's removed or masked only as far as going woah, what? and if masked it is a matter of unmasking rather than recommitting We haven't

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk2 use flag must die

2006-04-02 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Sunday 02 April 2006 21:51, Harald van Dijk wrote: Others did speak up at that time. The result: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/31641 Yeah, that was the one and only single voice. Carsten pgplFkefqq6Ma.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk2 use flag must die

2006-04-02 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Sunday 02 April 2006 21:28, Mike Frysinger wrote: last time i recall following the gtk/gtk2 stuff, the idea was that in the future to move to a gtk/gtk1 situation ... but this was back when Spider was The Man, so i guess people forgot about that No, see the whole thread Harald references in

Re: [gentoo-dev] [last rites] media-gfx/sodipodi

2006-04-02 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Sunday 02 April 2006 21:31, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: The usual period is thirty days. Grep this mailing list, most often a one week period was used. Once it's in p.mask it's effectively gone, to the extent that ignoring it for a month is fine. Who said a package gets masked before it gets

Re: [gentoo-dev] [last rites] media-gfx/sodipodi

2006-04-02 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Sunday 02 April 2006 22:33, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: This is a recent change, and usually someone replies with why not a month?. This is simply not true or we have very different ideas of the meaning of recent. The vast majority of last rites emails from 2005 had slated removals of one week

Re: [gentoo-dev] [last rites] media-gfx/sodipodi

2006-04-02 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Sunday 02 April 2006 22:29, Simon Stelling wrote: Come on. Is this a 'policy doesn't say I have to be sane' war? It's absolutely reasonable to p.mask a package that is pending for removal. That way you give the users a timeframe which they can search for alternative tools in. This is not

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk2 use flag must die

2006-04-02 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Sunday 02 April 2006 22:40, Mike Frysinger wrote: lets apply the same logic to all things unmaintained ! Yes, that's one reason I am so annoyed of the unmaintained parts of the tree. besides, you're talking about removing GTK1 completely ... this thread is talking about deprecating the

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk2 use flag must die

2006-04-02 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 03 April 2006 00:29, foser wrote: Already security related issues have been dropped by upstream for the simple reason that it hasn't been maintained since the day gtk went 2.0 . Why didn't you file (Gentoo) security bugs? Perfect reason to drop Gtk1 support, if no one steps up to

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk2 use flag must die

2006-04-02 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 03 April 2006 01:54, Daniel Goller wrote: you are really trying hard to get gtk(1) Everyone as s/he likes. I favor the deprecation of the gtk2 flag and start dancing on my chair, once we have a Portage version with slot/use depends in arch. But this is a completely different topic:

Re: [gentoo-dev] When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-04-04 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 11:12, Chris Bainbridge wrote: Surely the question isn't whether the upgrade is perfect, but whether it's better than the current stable release? Exactly. (I realise that isn't a perfect patch count...) Exactly. I think at this point it does more harm than good to

Re: [gentoo-dev] adding a code of conduct

2006-04-04 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 06:52, Mike Frysinger wrote: sorry, those last two paragraphs are covered elsewhere between infra and evrel ... so the document should be considered without those last two paragraphs -mike This is what I'd like to see clarified. To me, only a decision of the Council

Re: [gentoo-dev] adding a code of conduct

2006-04-04 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 21:53, Donnie Berkholz wrote: This is absurd. The council shouldn't need to make every decision in Gentoo itself. It should be able to delegate power to any group it chooses. Such a decision is not like /every/ decision and should happen only very seldom, so I don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo theming during bootup

2006-04-07 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Friday 07 April 2006 04:26, Donnie Berkholz wrote: I also share the opinion that we shouldn't go against upstream wishes IRT branding, but if upstream encourages some fairly subtle branding along with keeping their name visible, I'm for it. There's a thread in gentoo-core from 2004 with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo theming during bootup

2006-04-07 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Friday 07 April 2006 15:28, Simon Stelling wrote: He said he wanted to make it easy, not forcing it. Or am I mistaken? How do you want not to enforce it? The last time¹ someone came up with a branding use flag, some were in favor of, some against it. Still, the basic question is: Why!?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo theming during bootup

2006-04-08 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Saturday 08 April 2006 00:52, Mike Frysinger wrote: highly suspect statements these states are all quite common ... trying to make some kind of supposition as to which is the most common is a waste of time No. It's my opinion. Respect it, please. You don't have to agree. in my

Re: [gentoo-dev] Let portage symlink latest version of installed docs

2006-04-08 Thread Carsten Lohrke
I dislike the idea to create lots of symlinks for that reason. But I'm having a bug¹ open at mozilla.org with the goal to create rss feeds from the documentation. Carsten [¹] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332095 pgpBhuQuKgGb2.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] default RDEPEND?

2006-04-28 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Friday 28 April 2006 21:57, A. Khattri wrote: Does it make sense to make the value of RDEPEND in an ebuild depend on USE flags? Example: Im writing an ebuild that use either cvs or svn at runtime. I want to allow users to choose which one they want but make cvs the default. What's the best

Re: [gentoo-dev] default RDEPEND?

2006-04-28 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Saturday 29 April 2006 00:02, Tuan Van wrote: and I also saw something like below without cvs USE flag: RDEPEND=svn? ( dev-util/subversion ) !svn? ( dev-util/cvs ) Does obviously not work, if you want to have both available. Also enabling cvs support by disabling svn is not transparent to

Re: [gentoo-dev] default RDEPEND?

2006-04-29 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Saturday 29 April 2006 09:08, Alin Nastac wrote: Huh? How about: RDEPEND=|| ( dev-util/cvs dev-util/subversion ) Similar problem as with Tuan's version: It's intransparent to the user and he has no choice, unless he looks into the ebuild. || ( foo bar ) is only an option, if you have two

Re: [gentoo-dev] DEPEND/RDEPEND question

2006-04-30 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Tuesday 25 April 2006 08:53, Alin Nastac wrote: Lets say a package foo depends on bar, both at compile time and run time. Shouldn't DEPEND _and_ RDEPEND of the foo package reflect that dependency? I usually set DEPEND=$RDEPEND ... or vice-versa (depending on which is the most demanding). Am

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Friday 05 May 2006 08:32, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: If you use specific versions in the package.keywords file (i.e. do =category/package-version-revision ~arch instead of category/package ~arch, this doesn't happen. Hardcoding specific ~arch versions or revisions unless absolutely

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Friday 05 May 2006 15:23, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: I disagree. Your argument is for not using ~arch at all, rather than an argument against keeping control of what you have from ~arch. No. My argument is that category/ebuild is much better than =category/ebuild-x*. If and only if

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Friday 05 May 2006 20:37, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: First, I'll get the security updates when (1) the relevant updated package goes stable, which is usually pretty quickly, or (2) notification is made in gentoo-announce (which must be the correct place to get such notifications). That

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-16 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Wednesday 17 May 2006 00:22, Stephen Bennett wrote: Does the Gentoo Project not support the entire tree all of a sudden? There are plenty of ebuilds in the tree marked as unsupported by gentoo. Probably some profiles too, though I can't name them for certain off the top of my head.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-17 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Wednesday 17 May 2006 15:50, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 17 May 2006 01:58:02 +0200 Carsten Lohrke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I haven't had a look at Paludis (the name sucks as much as the name | eselect had, before it was named eselect, btw.) yet, so I don't have | an opinion

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-18 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 18 May 2006 20:02, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: It's kinda like this: Stop making such odd and wrong comparisons. The package manager is part of what defines a distribution, choosing a shell is the users choice. If you want to make the package manager matter of choice, start your own

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-19 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 18 May 2006 22:15, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | Sure baselayout is. An there're others in the tree, But that doesn't | mean these variants are supported (special cases like embedded aside). Sure, some of them are supported. By supported I mean all relevant packages in the tree install

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-19 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Friday 19 May 2006 09:33, Roy Marples wrote: Maybe you haven't noticed, but baselayout is a virtual - which does make things harder as the main forks (vserver and fbsd) sometimes break when we add new things and they haven't synced up yet. I have nothing against a virtual. I just don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-19 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Friday 19 May 2006 16:17, Roy Marples wrote: I can show you bugs where existing packages have invalid init scripts that just don't work with any baselayout version in portage. You could argue that they shouldn't be in the tree - if so then our imap server is foo-bared as it uses

Re: [gentoo-dev] cmake.eclass

2006-05-25 Thread Carsten Lohrke
Don't repeat a failure of the past. Do NEED_CMAKE x.y inherit foo ... instead this ugly toplevel function call. Carsten pgpkzcuaeL675.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Default useflag cleanups: -apm -foomaticdb -fortran -imlib -motif -oss -xmms

2006-06-05 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 05 June 2006 18:03, Stefan Schweizer wrote: I would like to make the changes in a new 2006.1 profile, how do I go about that? I think the current profiles should not be touched, since some users may still be using the flags. Yes, 2006.1. Any comments/objections - any outdated

Re: [gentoo-dev] Default useflag cleanups: -apm -foomaticdb -fortran -imlib -motif -oss -xmms

2006-06-05 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 05 June 2006 20:08, Harald van Dijk wrote: No, the decision with the gtk/gtk2 USE flag mess was to have package maintainers decide for each ebuild whether to support only gtk1 or only gtk2, but not have support for both in a single ebuild. I know about the decision of the Gnome team,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Default useflag cleanups: -apm -foomaticdb -fortran -imlib -motif -oss -xmms

2006-06-05 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 05 June 2006 20:52, Chris Gianelloni wrote: Have a look at /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2006.0/make.defaults for the list of current default use flags. I think it's a bad idea to have win32codecs in make.defaults. There's quite a number of codecs in the package and I'm

Re: [gentoo-dev] Default useflag cleanups: -apm -foomaticdb -fortran -imlib -motif -oss -xmms

2006-06-05 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 05 June 2006 23:25, Chris Gianelloni wrote: Well, it doesn't affect stages, and GRP stuff is done w/ USE=bindist, so again, this is a non-issue. Well, I didn't mean our binary releases, but being held liable for making property of others available by default, without the permission

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please add net-wireless/rtl818x

2006-06-05 Thread Carsten Lohrke
This list is for development discussions. Please file a request at http://bugs.gentoo.org Carsten pgppRNCcOVLoi.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Default useflag cleanups: -apm -foomaticdb -fortran -imlib -motif -oss -xmms

2006-06-06 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Tuesday 06 June 2006 04:45, Andrew Muraco wrote: Sorry for the offtopic of this, but what would a user set as the useflags to have GTK-2 used by default, and GTK-1 for apps that only support it? (but not build GTK-2-capable apps with GTK-1) Just the gtk use flag. Carsten

Re: [gentoo-dev] Default useflag cleanups: -apm -foomaticdb -fortran -imlib -motif -oss -xmms

2006-06-06 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Tuesday 06 June 2006 06:07, Mike Frysinger wrote: mikmod is the only one i'd keep ... people generally want mikmod whether or not they know it ;) I'd say 99,9% don't want mikmod. Arguments please, not vague assertions. :) Carsten pgpMnmHuAbjLA.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Default useflag cleanups: -apm -foomaticdb -fortran -imlib -motif -oss -xmms

2006-06-06 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Tuesday 06 June 2006 04:11, Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.- wrote: Some games fail in pkg_setup if sdl-mixer isn't built with mikmod but I'm not sure if we've added the built_with_use check to all of the games that need it yet. Time to fix this. And removing the flag would help, as bugs would

Re: [gentoo-dev] Default useflag cleanups: -apm -foomaticdb -fortran -imlib -motif -oss -xmms

2006-06-06 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Tuesday 06 June 2006 11:25, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: SDL based games requires mikmod quite often. I suppose Mike knows what he's saying. It's a difference to know that, compared to share ones thoughts, which Mike missed to do. Carsten pgp1iJ8Y6QlGG.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] Project Sunrise - Gentoo User Overlay

2006-06-08 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 08 June 2006 02:42, Stefan Schweizer wrote: Initially jokey and myself will be working on this. The current focus is to migrate ebuilds from bugzilla into the overlay and to get contributors to commit their changes to the overlay instead of updating the bugzilla every time. Can't

Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] Project Sunrise - Gentoo User Overlay

2006-06-09 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Friday 09 June 2006 12:12, Chris Bainbridge wrote: This larger group of users are the ones that would benefit from an overlay. And this larger group of people is exactly the same one, that doesn't know to help itself, if necessary and will suffer the most, when something goes wrong. This

Re: [gentoo-dev] What is official?

2006-06-09 Thread Carsten Lohrke
In my eyes only the main tree is official. The overlays are development niches (and as such perfectly fine), to speed up development without causing much trouble in the main tree. The problem is that overlay.g.o is seemingly official, because we host it. It should be made more clear that this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [ANNOUNCE] Project Sunrise - Gentoo User Overlay

2006-06-09 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Friday 09 June 2006 02:53, Stefan Schweizer wrote: It also doesn't answer the questions of security and maintenance. Are genstef and jokey going to be responsible for the security of every single package in the overlay? Yes, we will be acting upon all issues that we hear about. ...

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-09 Thread Carsten Lohrke
This may work for Apache or PHP, but an overlay with arbitrary maintainer wanted ebuilds would need an extra bugzilla account. The problem is that this won't really help, since (some) users will see oh, an kde app crashed and file a bug at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then /me looks at the tree, doesn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Project Sunrise - Gentoo User Overlay

2006-06-09 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Friday 09 June 2006 13:44, Peter wrote: Secondly, my bias against a third party repository is perhaps unwarranted. I am sure the bmg site is excellent and the people running it are well-intentioned and experienced. However, that said, as a user, I have a higher comfort level staying in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-09 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Friday 09 June 2006 14:04, Stefan Schweizer wrote: Please, do not assume our users being stupid. They know that they are using an ebuild from the sunrise overlay with zero support. They deliberately typed You have said stupid, not me. Some won't care enough, I'm quite sure about that. We

Re: [gentoo-dev] variable quoting, setting optional variables to , and depending on virtual/libc

2006-06-17 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Saturday 17 June 2006 14:39, Michael Cummings wrote: Kevin F. Quinn wrote: If RDEPEND is not set, it is defaulted to $DEPEND by portage. Alas, if only. If you inherit an eclass with deps this carry over won't happen. (And I have the bugs to prove it ;) Well, has been the job of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds suck, fix them

2006-06-17 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Saturday 17 June 2006 04:51, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: How exactly does one go about maintaining our developers? ;) It's devrel's cursed job. Ask them. :) Carsten pgpDHDEmEDUMI.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-21 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Wednesday 21 June 2006 15:44, Stefan Schweizer wrote: qt3 and qt4 is being used there already and it is obvious It's nice to invent new use flags affecting Qt stuff without contacting those who care for Qt. 2) A package requires either Qt3 or Qt4 (both not both?...such as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation (was: Project Sunrise resumed)

2006-08-01 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 31 July 2006 04:52, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Sunday 30 July 2006 22:28, Dan Meltzer wrote: 1) Users can submit patches/ideas to bugs.g.o at whatever frequency they desire, contributing to gentoo casually. load up your browser and check out how many bugs are assigned to '[EMAIL

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-01 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 31 July 2006 07:05, Seemant Kulleen wrote: OK, let's start with: what exactly is the problem? Please reread my replies in the first sunrise thread. Points are: no security, issues with eclass changes which will result in bug spam, the fact that sunrise is a bunch of arbitrary

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation

2006-08-01 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Monday 31 July 2006 13:01, Christian Andreetta wrote: Seemant Kulleen wrote: On Sun, 2006-07-30 at 23:50 -0400, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: My concern is beyond me. As I stated I know enough about what to expect IF I use sunrise. But many do not and with it becoming official people

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-01 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 01 January 1970 01:00, Alec Warner wrote: eclass changes? You can't even commit eclasses to it... Eclass changes in the main tree, including all relevant ebuilds updated, but breaking the ebuilds in the Surise overlay, having whining users or borked systems in the worst case.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation

2006-08-02 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Wednesday 02 August 2006 05:50, Richard Fish wrote: Nothing that I have read about sunrise, either in GWN, their project pages, or the FAQ, has given me the impression that they are urging all users to give it a try. There is certainly some advertising about it, as would be appropriate for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Carsten Lohrke
First I'd like to state that I do offer my opinion. You don't have to like it, but disqualifying it as flaming, while exactly doing this yourself, disqualifies you. I'd appreciate, if you would try to have a controversial discussion, without starting to loose your manners. On Wednesday 02

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-03 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 03 August 2006 04:56, Brian Harring wrote: *cough*. bit hypocritical for you to lecture me about viewing your statements as 'flaming', and in the same breath label my own as 'flaming' ;) Why am I pointing this out? My initial points were that of why the double standard, with

Re: [gentoo-dev] SearchSecurity.com: Linux patch problems: Your distro may vary

2006-08-07 Thread Carsten Lohrke
As far as I'm aware the problem isn't the security team, but the reasons are: 1. slow/understaffed arch teams - and I suppose this is the biggest problem, as we need all security-wise supported¹ architectures stable, before a GLSA can be send out. 2. the amount of unmaintained stuff in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] implicit RDEPEND

2006-08-07 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Sunday 06 August 2006 00:26, Mike Frysinger wrote: and i'm on the opposite side where implicit RDEPEND should be clean: Why? I for one consider explicit dependencies much more clean. If Portage at some point should distinct between dependencies defined in ebuilds and eclasses, we'd need a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: User support system [WAS: Sunrise contemplations]

2006-08-17 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 17 August 2006 21:42, James Potts wrote: hmmmdoesn't the GNU ClassPath implement enough of Java's runtimes to handle a command-line app like this When it is at 100% 1.4 compatibility (and that does not mean nearly as bug free, stable, fast, etc. as Sun's Java is), the latter

Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet

2006-08-24 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 24 August 2006 09:54, Donnie Berkholz wrote: The council doesn't actually do anything AFAICT, it just approves GLEP decisions that have already been made. So in effect we have no leadership. Well, to quote the council project page: The elected Gentoo Council decides on global

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: Globalness of some USE flags

2006-08-31 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 31 August 2006 16:58, Simon Stelling wrote: I think we agreed at least 3 times on that the logrotate use flag shouldn't exist at all because those files add 4kb to the package. Right. Open a bug and cc involved maintainers. This is the way it works - maybe slowly, but it does. We

[gentoo-dev] cdrtools license issues

2006-09-01 Thread Carsten Lohrke
As discussed here¹, the author of cdrtools, Jörg Schilling, violates the GPL in his application, by building GPL software with CDDL licensed makefiles as well as linking mkisofs to libscg, which he relicensed to CDDL lately. Debian seems to fork² cdrtools therefore. Imho we have to remove the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: cdrtools license issues

2006-09-01 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Friday 01 September 2006 14:51, Lars Weiler wrote: We have a lot of other applications in the tree, which is not free. The problem is not that it's not free*, but that linking GPL and CDDL code violates the GPL. If the whole cdrtools code were CDDL, there were no problem. *The OSI

Re: [gentoo-dev] repoman: check for deprecated eclasses

2006-09-01 Thread Carsten Lohrke
The file listing the derecated overlays is fine. What about revdep-rebuild and emerge regarding installed stuff and overlays? Carsten pgpMpDspMcPVc.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: cdrtools license issues

2006-09-01 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Friday 01 September 2006 15:45, Luis Medinas wrote: I'm sure that situation will be fixed by the upstream (Jörg) since it violates GPL license. About the debian fork we will take a look at it and see where's going. Read the Debian bug. Jörg Schilling is badmouthing Debian developers and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe

2006-09-02 Thread Carsten Lohrke
Seems my message got swallowed... On Saturday 02 September 2006 15:36, Edgar Hucek wrote: Just a side hint. Try to enable all flags at the first cimpile time would reduce trys drasticaly ;) There are lots of use flag combinations incompatible with each other within a package as well as

Re: [gentoo-dev] packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-03 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Sunday 03 September 2006 11:20, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: triggered by bug #77751: hspell lists a non-gentoo.org address for the maintainer email, the herd as maintainer-needed, and no other addresses. Is this sort of thing now ok? No. Carsten pgpLh7ZV4WbmG.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe

2006-09-03 Thread Carsten Lohrke
Either MTA or MUA brokeness. Another email I have to send a second time. :( On Sunday 03 September 2006 00:42, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: And waiting other 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 months won't change the thing. Why? Because we have _no_ accessibility team right now. Well, the bug is assigned to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The Age of the Universe

2006-09-03 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Sunday 03 September 2006 00:42, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: And waiting other 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 months won't change the thing. Why? Because we have _no_ accessibility team right now. Well, the bug is assigned to williamh, who is not /completely/ inactive. I wonder, if only 37 commits in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-06 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Sunday 03 September 2006 16:36, Stefan Schweizer wrote: I am not adding stuff. I am fixing existing packages. And I am taking responsibility. How wonderful this sort of maintenance is you can read here: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146626 Am I the only one who has a problem with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 07 September 2006 07:58, Stefan Schweizer wrote: I am part of the kde herd, thanks. To my knowledge you have never asked to join the KDE team, nor did I see you helping tracking down KDE bug reports ever. Just adding yourself doesn't work. Carsten pgp7tjbj1KWLV.pgp

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 07 September 2006 13:25, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: I'll try to overlook the reverted changes in kdelibs for bug fixes, the improper ${ROOT} injected in my changes where it wasn't supposed to be, the broken opengl on kdelibs checks that appeared last month, unhelpful comments

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Thursday 07 September 2006 13:48, Jakub Moc wrote: I wonder how exactly genstef broke mips, 'cos mind you, he just reverted to what the ebuild was doing before Bug 114161 was fixed by hard-disabling of hspell [1]. Since mips doesn't have hspell keyworded, it wasn't affected by that bug

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-07 Thread Carsten Lohrke
What have we learnt now, Jakub? Keep it in the bug report. ;) Carsten pgpxG13G6keIP.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-19 Thread Carsten Lohrke
First step should imho be, that you work with the Portage team on having proper set support implemented. Current meta ebuilds do suck, really. Carsten pgpY3uwbpcikw.pgp Description: PGP signature

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