it's not in the -mm-dd format that the GLEP requires.
Help?
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the lack of an acceptable solution there is what stalled things the last
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. Consequently,
work on non-Linux actually does a fair bit to improve the entire
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Grant Goodyear wrote: [Fri Jan 06 2006, 10:46:55AM CST]
Addressing your point about Enterprise Gentoo, I think you're probably
right about it needing focus, direction, and a leader, but that's quite
different from needing Gentoo as a whole to have any of those. The
Gentoo *BSD work is a good
parallel make issues and similar things
that are tricky but usually just requires little knowledge of tricks.
Again, I like devspace for these things. Of course, particularly useful
docs would likely be adopted by the GDP (with the permission of the
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to be accomplished. Not
asking for hard figures, but if you're held up by X, I'd like to know
when you expect X to be done so we can gauge how things are going.
I don't have a good answer here, since I believe that the hangups are
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Mark Loeser wrote:
* In case of emergency, or if package maintainers refuse to cooperate,
the QA team may take action themselves to fix the problem.
My suspicion is that the more common problem is going to be inaccessible
developers, rather than uncooperative ones. Certainly, if a maintainer
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
My point is that that's a nasty QA bug that's relying upon input from
Stuart to be fixed. Whilst that one's still alive, I'm not going to go
around filing more similar breaks non-interactively bugs because the
discussion will just get repeated over and over.
Huh? I
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Grant Goodyear wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
My point is that that's a nasty QA bug that's relying upon input from
Stuart to be fixed. Whilst that one's still alive, I'm not going to go
around filing more similar breaks non-interactively bugs because the
discussion
Renat Lumpau wrote:
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:31:37PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
today's lesson: proactive QA is frowned upon, it's only a bug when a user
files a report at bugs.gentoo.org
I don't think that's the lesson. It oughtta be: we need a way to figure out
which QA issues are
Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Wednesday 01 March 2006 19:19, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Unless there are any huge flaws found, I'd like this to be voted on by
the council -- looks like it'll have to wait until April's meeting to
fit in with the two weeks rule.
may push council meeting back to 3rd
Sending this from the right address this time
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Jakub Moc wrote:
Please, until something is clarified/some consent reached, avoid changing
the docs w/ funny stuff like just flip a coin...
I don't believe the text is meant to be funny. It's meant (I think
Jakub Moc wrote:
Erm, how exactly will you find out that you need to recompile that package
after such extensive build? You'll spend a couple of hours debugging when
your server app stops working? Yay! :P
I had assumed that in such a case the ebuild would output a
scary-looking ewarn that
Stuart Herbert wrote:
I agree. Adopting a policy like this is a low quality solution for
servers. I've no opinion on how this affects desktops, but packages
for servers need to be precise.A policy that says if two USE
flags deliver the same benefits, but conflict, pick one is fine. But
After reading through that fairly lengthy thread, I'm afraid that I can
no longer tell exactly what is being proposed. Who has read access?
Who has write access? Bugs are handled where, and by whom? Are we
considering a fairly tightly controlled system, or a wild free-for-all?
Exactly which
. Anybody, dev or not, can submit bugs and ask
devs to commit on his or her behalf.) In any event, I thought we had
devrel to handle suspending devs, unless there was some sort of clear
urgency that required infra to do so? Wasn't that the outcome of the
recent discussions?
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? Is this a statement the
existing developers are making? The foundation? Infra?
Here I'll certainly agree. In fact, I agree with the rest of your
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sensible for infra to cover when devrel falls on its rear.
Of course, it is possible that rational people might disagree that such
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instead of merely assuming
that your interpretation is correct If nothing else, it helps limit
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. (Of course, if there's
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Vapier wrote: [Tue Apr 04 2006, 12:12:28AM CDT]
On Monday 03 April 2006 22:57, Grant Goodyear wrote:
Oh, one more probably useless comment: I would argue that the decision
to enforce an etiquette guide that devs never really got to vote on has
lead to a lot of grief in the past. Let's
) and
submit status reports to the GWN. Care to volunteer? I'd be happy to
provide pointers on how to get started.
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Curtis Napier wrote: [Mon Apr 10 2006, 09:53:04AM CDT]
I'm willing to theme *.gentoo.org to match [...].
Speaking of which, what is the current status of the web redesign?
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was the flying saucer guy. I believe that he was allowing us to
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Vapier wrote: [Mon Apr 10 2006, 05:25:23PM CDT]
On Monday 10 April 2006 15:37, Grant Goodyear wrote:
In any event, I think we need to remove the flying saucer guy. When
drobbins left and turned over the Gentoo IP to us, one thing that he
kept was the flying saucer guy. I believe that he
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I've attached a log of today's meeting.
The agenda included Gentoo's participation in Google's Summer of Code
and an update on portage gpg signing. In the former case, Gentoo has
applied to participate, and assuming we get one of the handful of
remaining slots then
, but perhaps we can streamline things a tad. What's
the major problem that you're looking to solve? Is it the shortage of
developers, or the lack of progress in a certain area, or the
(perceived?) difficulty in getting foo accomplished?
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Grant Goodyear wrote: [Fri Apr 28 2006, 01:55:01PM CDT]
It's not quite true that the Council votes on GLEPs, but that's not
really germane to your overall point.
Oh, that was your point. Mea culpa.
Okay, to address that point, the way that the current system works is
that a GLEP is sent
anyone agree that having a council is too political? I strongly
believe it stifles gentoo.
Do you have some specific examples of how you've seen the Council
stifle Gentoo, or is it mainly just a general impression?
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A. Khattri wrote:
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
A. Khattri wrote:
Does this sound right or is there a better (preferred?) way?
Try to fix --enable-conf-install to respect DESTDIR or whatever other
install method you're using, or look to see what flag it will take at
'make
need people to help w/ LDAP?
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just can't without everybody looking strange at you afterwards.
True!
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Chris Gianelloni wrote: [Wed May 10 2006, 08:32:01AM CDT]
I have a copy of the font.
It is ©2000 Ethan Dunham ‐ Fonthead Design ‐ http://www.fonthead.com
Thanks! Okay, it's part of their freeware font font heads.
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the equivalent portage db)?
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| 4) Will Paludis ever become a Gentoo Project?
Pretty unlikely, past events considered. Personally I kind of like
having commit access to my own code...
I thought we (Gentoo) already had SVN repositories with non-Gentoo-dev
committers? I'm pretty sure that was one of
Paul de Vrieze wrote:
At present I ask not for support, but for a minor addition for
convenience purposes.
One that has more disadvantages than advantages as already pointed out.
Many of your comments have been quite valuable, but I've noticed that
your recent posts fail to distinguish
Grant Goodyear wrote:
Incidentally, in reading this thread it seems to me that a tendency to
offer opinions (or predictions) as though they were facts has been a
common theme. Please try to separate the two, whenever possible.
Just to clarify, I was not limiting that comment to pauldv
useful to contribute, shut up and go away.
*Sigh* Be nice, please. Incidentally, he did have a point that this
thread is now darn hard to follow. Perhaps it's time to split off a
thread or two...?
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media being on obvious example).
Perhaps something like the following would suffice:
GLEP: xx
Title: Supporting alternative package managers
Version: $Revision: 1.3 $
Last-Modified: $Date: 2005/11/13 17:16:50 $
Author: Grant Goodyear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Type: Standards Track
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McCreesh, Grant Goodyear, Aaron Walker, Robert Coie, Tom
Martin, Paul Varner, Ilya Volynets-Evenbakh, Diego Patteno Fernando J.
Pareda, Simon Stelling, Alin Dobre, and Joseph Jezak
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Mark Loeser wrote: [Wed May 24 2006, 04:37:44PM CDT]
Grant Goodyear [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
How was the conversion done? Do we now have a tool to convert rst to
guidexml, or was the conversion all done by hand (which would be a truly
frightening thought), or something else entirely
Mark Loeser wrote:
Basically, it would be something that allowed you to browse the current
tree of submitted ebuilds. This way users that submit something can
categorize it for devs to easily look for ebuilds they may be interested
in, and we can make it so we could easily grab the ebuilds
overlooked in the rest of that thread or ignored because people
considered it to be useless; I'm not sure which. In any event, I just
want to bring it to the council's attention as an alternative approach.
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-motif - is unmaintained in portage and rather outdated, does not look good.
Should not be default for optional interfaces
I believe that flag is mainly there to reduce the Hey, my xpdf package
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any statistics or anecdotal evidence for what's improving, and whether
or not anything is getting worse as a result?
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was rather hoping
that x86 was doing peer review and at least one other arch team wasn't,
since then we could try to make some sort of quantitative comparison.
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So, what would people think of moving herds.xml from gentoo/misc into
the portage tree, with the rationale being that local tools could use
that information for various useful purposes (compiling statistics,
doing something that I can't think of right now, whatever)?
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is more
than enough administrative annoyance all by itself.)
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, please let me know. All current devs are eligible to
vote.
Incidentally, I'm currently serving as an election official since I'm
not running for a spot on the Council. It would be good to have a
couple other people acting as officials, too. Volunteers?
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Christel Doty wrote: [Thu Aug 10 2006, 12:34:50PM CDT]
Sure, just let me know what you need me to do Grant :)
Thanks! Um, I'm not quite sure what's going to be needed just yet,
but I'll keep you informed.
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Olivier Crete wrote: [Thu Aug 10 2006, 11:42:14AM CDT]
On Thu, 2006-10-08 at 10:57 -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote:
I volunteer (again).. What's the status on the search for voting
software ?
Well, fmccor has suggested STV[1], so the current plan is to use
countify to assemble the usual master
Greg KH wrote: [Thu Aug 10 2006, 12:42:47PM CDT]
On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 10:57:14AM -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote:
Well, we don't yet have reliable software in place to _count_ votes,
but that's no reason not to start collecting them. The polls are now
open, and will remain so until UTC
to pigeon-hole themselves into a rigid project structure, but I don't
really have any evidence of that.
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base) -- GDP want to approve this one so I can change
the code?
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things moving again, so given that the GLEP is more a statement of
intent than something to be implemented I would say it can probably be
marked final at some point.
Marked final.
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precise. The council rejected both
GLEPs in favor of starting with a Gentoo package manager API (which
spb is slowly assembling), and then requiring in-tree package
managers to implement that API. Or at least that was my understanding
of that meeting.
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Here's the master ballot for the election. Confirmation e-mails will
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ballot that
I just mailed out, as that's all that is needed, so if anybody else
wants to provide an independent count, feel free.)
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: option jakub wins
result: option spb wins
result: option patrick wins
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Wernfried Haas wrote: [Mon Sep 11 2006, 11:23:03AM CDT]
I'd like to send my unofficial congratulations to the new council then.
Also thanks to the folks who did the technical stuff behind the vote.
Btw, how many people actually voted?
121
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that reality more clear, I'm
certainly willing to listen to suggestions.
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it is developer self-interest that keeps things
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not going to break stuff, then do
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is only intended to allow users to have two MTAs
_installed_ on the same box, not actually have them both running
simultaneously. It works pretty well for that, but I agree that there
seems to be little real need for it. I have no objection to it going
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there are many,
despite the fact that some good work was done last year.
Thoughts? Comments?
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(proposed
default behaviour) to static, or ADD so build process uses
runtime-linkstatic/dynamic
(using static and staticonly if 3 states are needed?)
In any event, would just ask vapier for his opinion, and do whatever he
says.
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appears sound, and I believe that the portage team has
something along these lines as part of their long-range plans.
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why dsd posted a notice on -dev. Reply here, or on
the forums, or wherever, and people will probably notice.
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Task-force
Keep-current
Reopen-nominations
My sincere thanks to those who voted.
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and then forget
about it at the end (which I know is what happened in at least one
case).
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on the details).
Best,
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, but,
gosh, it sounds awfully hard! Perhaps this discussion might actually
go somewhere useful if people could be pointed to how one makes this
sort of thing work in practice? I'm more than happy to read the fine
manual, once I know which one that is
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on amd64, then those package are profile-masked, and there's
separate amd64 and x86 profiles (as there are now) to handle those
distinctions?
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to you
folks to make of it what you will. Personally, I expect great things.
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GLEPs, perhaps someone should be writing a GLEP about
combining x86 and amd64?
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Grant Goodyear wrote: [Thu Sep 01 2005, 11:50:56AM CDT]
We needed to have the new metastructure plan someplace easy to find, so
I created glep 39 for it.
It's in CVS, but it may be a bit before it shows up on www.g.o.
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willing to drop it.
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for a
living, and whether they suspect that I know the difference between a
64-bit pointer and a 32-bit int.
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incorporate them.
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GLEP: 40
Title: Standardizing arch keywording across all archs.
Version: $Revision: 1.8 $
Last-Modified: $Date: 2005
on a package going
stable, since they're the ones with experience of the entire stable
tree. Does that make a bit more sense?
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.
I'd like to go ahead and push this GLEP to the council for a vote at the
next meeting (which I assume will be sometime in the next twenty-two
days).
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be
posted by the previous meeting, since that would generally correspond to
about a month lead.)
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glep40: Standardizing arch keywording across all archs
Please feel free to argue this GLEP in my absence. I'm fully aware that
the council members understand
the legs of the offending devs
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this impression.
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