Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Pacho Ramos
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 02:26 +0200, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn escribió: Pacho Ramos schrieb: - openBSD is simply supplying the semibroken Gnome stuff running with their setup (without multiseat working, neither power management, gdm service handling, and any new issues that could rise

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Pacho Ramos
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 02:25 +0200, Michael Weber escribió: Citing from Pachos blog, [...] we are now forcing people to *run* systemd to be able to properly run Gnome 3.8, otherwise power management and multiseat support are lost, [...] [1]. Pacho, would you accept patches and USE flags

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Pacho Ramos
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 08:29 +0300, Samuli Suominen escribió: On 09/08/13 03:25, Michael Weber wrote: Citing from Pachos blog, [...] we are now forcing people to *run* systemd to be able to properly run Gnome 3.8, otherwise power management and multiseat support are lost, [...] [1].

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations?

2013-08-09 Thread Steven J. Long
On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 08:39:20AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote: I've always disliked unnecessary profiles, a lot, but this whole selecting of init plus packages supporting it plus the /usr-move issue the systemd maintainers are bundling together with it by forcing the unstandard systemd

[gentoo-dev] [typo] Re: Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress.

2013-08-09 Thread Steven J. Long
clumsy fool wrote: It would seem to make sense if the packages are unmasked conditionally s/ conditionally// in the parent, or the linux profile, and then unmasked in the profiles that need them. Sorry if I'm misunderstanding. And for noise. -- #friendly-coders -- We're friendly, but we're

Re: [gentoo-dev] [typo] Re: Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress.

2013-08-09 Thread William Hubbs
On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 07:51:15AM +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: clumsy fool wrote: It would seem to make sense if the packages are unmasked conditionally s/ conditionally// in the parent, or the linux profile, and then unmasked in the profiles that need them. Sorry if I'm

Re: [gentoo-dev] [typo] Re: Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress.

2013-08-09 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 09/08/13 10:19, William Hubbs wrote: On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 07:51:15AM +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: clumsy fool wrote: It would seem to make sense if the packages are unmasked conditionally s/ conditionally// in the parent, or the linux profile, and then unmasked in the profiles that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Le jeudi 08 août 2013 à 21:03 -0500, William Hubbs a écrit : The decision to depend on systemd for part of its functionality is with gnome upstream, not the gnome team of Gentoo. Pacho wrote a good summary of what is going on. I can see why OpenBSD would provide the missing functionality of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Vanilla sources stabilization policy change

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:29:06 -0700 Greg KH gre...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 04:43:09AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 12:50:32AM +0200, Peter Stuge wrote: I think this supports the argument that the better kernel is always the one with the most

Re: [gentoo-dev] Vanilla sources stabilization policy change

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 01:44:12 +0200 Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: I think this supports the argument that the better kernel is always the one with the most fixes. That's what us kernel developers have been saying for 10+ years, nice to see it's finally getting some traction :)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Vanilla sources stabilization policy change

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:32:45 -0700 Greg KH gre...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 04:37:32AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 15:44:34 -0700 Greg KH gre...@gentoo.org wrote: I am not going to impose an additional burden on developers to get their patches into

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations?

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 08:39:20 +0300 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 09/08/13 04:05, Zac Medico wrote: This seems like a possible applicatio for mix-in profiles like Funtoo uses: http://www.funtoo.org/wiki/Flavors_and_Mix-ins Thanks, that definitely looks interesting;

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations?

2013-08-09 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 09/08/13 11:46, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 08:39:20 +0300 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 09/08/13 04:05, Zac Medico wrote: This seems like a possible applicatio for mix-in profiles like Funtoo uses: http://www.funtoo.org/wiki/Flavors_and_Mix-ins Thanks,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 08:27:23 +0800 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: [snip] So would you stabilize a package that works with paludis, but not with portage? Ouch. It should probably not be in the tree in the first place, but I that's not what I have in mind here. This isn't a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Pacho Ramos schrieb: If OpenBSD can do it, then Gentoo can do it, too. So would you accept ebuild patches that make it possible to install Gnome 3.8 without systemd again? Only make it possible, not turn it into a configuration which the Gnome team supports. We have discussed this some

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread hasufell
On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: It is not a regression if a new version of gnome mrequires systemd and does not work with OpenRc; it is a design choice. I could claim the design choice thing for anything as well. Actually blender upstream does that for the brokenness of

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving COLLISION_IGNORE (and UNINSTALL_IGNORE?) to profiles/*/make.defaults

2013-08-09 Thread Michał Górny
Hello, Just a quick one. Currently, the two listed variables are set in make.globals (installed by portage ebuild); COLLISION_IGNORE=/lib/modules/* *.py[co] *\$py.class UNINSTALL_IGNORE=/lib/modules/* COLLISION_IGNORE specifies files that will be ignored by FEATURES=collision-protect when they

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 01:26:08 +0100 Mike Auty ike...@gentoo.org wrote: I would like to think that open source developers working on such a large and integral project might listen to their users. Listening comes at a price; you can't listen to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Pacho Ramos
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 11:26 +0200, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn escribió: Pacho Ramos schrieb: If OpenBSD can do it, then Gentoo can do it, too. So would you accept ebuild patches that make it possible to install Gnome 3.8 without systemd again? Only make it possible, not turn it into

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations?

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 11:58:11 +0300 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 09/08/13 11:46, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 08:39:20 +0300 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 09/08/13 04:05, Zac Medico wrote: This seems like a possible applicatio for mix-in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Pacho Ramos schrieb: This makes me think what is the problem with people moving to systemd as udev provider (even running openrc) :/ You can't use eudev in that case. 2. About the other one: probably somebody adding systemd to package.provide *on purpose* will remember to know that he needs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:30 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: It is not a regression if a new version of gnome mrequires systemd and does not work with OpenRc; it is a design choice. We are not just talking about random ebuild

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Pacho Ramos
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 12:22 +0200, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn escribió: [...] Ok so we have these options: 1. keep systemd as hard dependency (current) 2. IUSE=+systemd or openrc-force with ewarn when set to unsupported state 3. #2 + systemd in package.use.force, can be unforced via

Re: [gentoo-dev] Vanilla sources stabilization policy change

2013-08-09 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:34 AM, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:32:45 -0700 Greg KH gre...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 04:37:32AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote: And what about all of the fixes I merge in, that _are_ really security fixes, yet we do not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 11:30:17 +0200 hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: It is not a regression if a new version of gnome mrequires systemd and does not work with OpenRc; it is a design choice. I could claim the design choice thing for

Re: [gentoo-dev] [typo] Re: Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress.

2013-08-09 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: For example, gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon could be p.mask in non-systemd profiles instructing the users to switch to the systemd profile and point to the guide you were referring to As in, the benefit would be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 08/09/2013 06:27 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:30 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: It is not a regression if a new version of gnome mrequires systemd and does not work with OpenRc; it is a design choice. We are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: You just removed the upgrade path for users. The upgrade path is to install systemd or to implement openrc support. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: You just removed the upgrade path for users. The upgrade path is to install systemd or to implement openrc support. Invalid upgrade path. The upgrade path is to install

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: Somehow I get really confused by this selective perception (anyone remembering the KDE overlay getting paludised and the fallout from that?) That's a very selective perception there. If you mean the fully documented

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Pacho Ramos
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 19:39 +0800, Patrick Lauer escribió: On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: You just removed the upgrade path for users. The upgrade path is to install systemd or to implement

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:39:08 +0800 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: You just removed the upgrade path for users. The upgrade path is to install systemd or to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 12:37:26 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: Somehow I get really confused by this selective perception (anyone remembering the KDE overlay getting paludised and the fallout

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread viv...@gmail.com
On 08/09/13 13:38, Pacho Ramos wrote: El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 19:39 +0800, Patrick Lauer escribió: On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: You just removed the upgrade path for users. The upgrade path is to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: You just removed the upgrade path for users. Just install systemd. There really isn't any practical alternative. Gentoo with systemd is as Gentooish a configuration as Gentoo with OpenRC, or Gentoo with libav, or Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread hasufell
On 08/09/2013 12:27 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:30 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: It is not a regression if a new version of gnome mrequires systemd and does not work with OpenRc; it is a design choice. We are

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving COLLISION_IGNORE (and UNINSTALL_IGNORE?) to profiles/*/make.defaults

2013-08-09 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 11:32:12 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: What do you think? +1 PMS is not an issue here I guess because those are just variables.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 11:40:58AM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote It may be pertinent for this reason (a smoother upgrade path) and this reason alone, to stabilize gnome-3.6 first -- just to get into gnome3 (and get gnome-2 removed) without having to also deal with the systemd migration at the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 14:36:05 +0200 hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/09/2013 12:27 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: How does not supporting OpenRC matter for Gentoo? The question puzzles me. For one it is * an implementation of virtual/service-manager which is in @system But systemd is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Vanilla sources stabilization policy change

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 06:38:56 -0400 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: My sense is that Greg is using the term security bugs to refer to implementation errors that could be exploited to obtain unintended access to a system. Using this definition, any bug could be a security bug, and figuring

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving COLLISION_IGNORE (and UNINSTALL_IGNORE?) to profiles/*/make.defaults

2013-08-09 Thread Ulrich Mueller
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 11:32:12 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: What do you think? +1 +1 Some observations (originally from IRC discussion, mgorny has asked me to post them here for reference): - As far as we know, these variables are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 09/08/13 14:31, Patrick Lauer wrote: On 08/09/2013 06:27 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:30 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: It is not a regression if a new version of gnome mrequires systemd and does not work

[gentoo-dev] Upgraded Developer Joachim Bartosik (jbartosik)

2013-08-09 Thread Justin
Hi, I would like to announce that Joachim Bartosik (jbartosik) just joined the team as a full dev. He contributed as a staffer before and would like to help now various areas, among others in the gnome project. Please give him again a warm welcome. Justin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 09/08/13 15:36, hasufell wrote: On 08/09/2013 12:27 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:30 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: It is not a regression if a new version of gnome mrequires systemd and does not work with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 14:14:12 viv...@gmail.com viv...@gmail.com napisał(a): On 08/09/13 13:38, Pacho Ramos wrote: El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 19:39 +0800, Patrick Lauer escribió: On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800 Patrick Lauer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 13:45:25 Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:39:08 +0800 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: You just

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upgraded Developer Joachim Bartosik (jbartosik)

2013-08-09 Thread Pacho Ramos
El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 15:47 +0200, Justin escribió: Hi, I would like to announce that Joachim Bartosik (jbartosik) just joined the team as a full dev. He contributed as a staffer before and would like to help now various areas, among others in the gnome project. Please give him

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: You just removed the upgrade path for users. Just install systemd. There really isn't any practical alternative. Gentoo with systemd is as Gentooish a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upgraded Developer Joachim Bartosik (jbartosik)

2013-08-09 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 15:47:47 +0200 Justin j...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi, I would like to announce that Joachim Bartosik (jbartosik) just joined the team as a full dev. He contributed as a staffer before and would like to help now various areas, among others in the gnome project. Welcome!

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 09/08/13 15:36, hasufell wrote: On 08/09/2013 12:27 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:30 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: It is not a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Alon Bar-Lev schrieb: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: You just removed the upgrade path for users. Just install systemd. There really isn't any practical alternative. Gentoo with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: Alon Bar-Lev schrieb: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: You just removed the upgrade path for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Arun Raghavan
On 9 August 2013 20:20, Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: Alon Bar-Lev schrieb: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Patrick Lauer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 11:16:37AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote Though, an init system standard might be the most promising approach. Ahemmm http://xkcd.com/927/ -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Alon Bar-Lev schrieb: I think there may be a misunderstanding here. He only said that if you want to run Gnome 3.8, then switch to systemd. Because the Gnome team will not support any other configuration. He did not say that everyone should install systemd, nor that you need to support such

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:22:38 +0300 Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote: There was no decision to support Gentoo using any other layout than openrc (baselayout). Was there the decision to only support a single layout on Gentoo? Where? There is *HUGE* difference between optional components and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: Alon Bar-Lev schrieb: I think there may be a misunderstanding here. He only said that if you want to run Gnome 3.8, then switch to systemd. Because the Gnome team will not support any other configuration.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:50:24 +0300 Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote: So users will have gnome working but not any other component? How can this a good service for users? Just like we can't ensure that everything builds with LLVM doesn't mean we shouldn't support packages that only build

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread hasufell
On 08/09/2013 04:57 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: Alon Bar-Lev schrieb: I think there may be a misunderstanding here. He only said that if you want to run Gnome 3.8, then switch to systemd. Because the Gnome team will not support any other configuration. He did not say that

[gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Thomas Sachau
As the topic says, when someone converts an ebuild to multilib, please dont disable binary building for other ABIs, as has already been done for some packages. This will break e.g. for users who target 64bit toolchain and 32bit userland, since those would not get any binaries from building for

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 17:32:56 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org napisał(a): As the topic says, when someone converts an ebuild to multilib, please dont disable binary building for other ABIs, as has already been done for some packages. This will break e.g. for users who target 64bit

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:40:28 +0300 Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote: At least we know what ssuominen thinks... some prople are trying to hijack the Gentoo project at the excuse of Gnome to switch into specific vendor solution, and be on its mercies from now on. This was the exact plan of

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/08/13 11:43 AM, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 17:32:56 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org napisał(a): As the topic says, when someone converts an ebuild to multilib, please dont disable binary building for other ABIs, as has

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:57:49 -0400 Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 11:16:37AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote Though, an init system standard might be the most promising approach. Ahemmm http://xkcd.com/927/ Are there existing init system standards then?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upgraded Developer Joachim Bartosik (jbartosik)

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:32:21 -0400 Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 15:47:47 +0200 Justin j...@gentoo.org wrote: I would like to announce that Joachim Bartosik (jbartosik) just joined the team as a full dev. He contributed as a staffer before and would

Re: [gentoo-dev] Upgraded Developer Joachim Bartosik (jbartosik)

2013-08-09 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 17:51:35 +0200 Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: Please give him again a warm welcome. Joachim: systemd, for or against ? :) Is mixed feelings or no preference or blank vote a valid answer? It depends how warm you want the welcome committee to be :)

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 17:32:56 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: As the topic says, when someone converts an ebuild to multilib, please dont disable binary building for other ABIs, as has already been done for some packages. This will break e.g. for users who target 64bit toolchain

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Michał Górny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 11:48:07 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org napisał(a): -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/08/13 11:43 AM, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 17:32:56 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 12:02:10 -0400 Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote: no, we won't be building useless stuff to throw it away one minute later, thanks for the bloat. and i'm not even talking about the fact that this wont work unless you introduce bloated deps by requiring unneeded

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 17:25:10 +0200 hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: No, that is definitely not how stabilization works and I was told something different during my recruitment process. * _stable_ (as in... it works on different setups... this is already not true for gnome) Current

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:14 AM, viv...@gmail.com viv...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/09/13 13:38, Pacho Ramos wrote: El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 19:39 +0800, Patrick Lauer escribió: On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Thomas Sachau
Alexis Ballier schrieb: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 17:32:56 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: As the topic says, when someone converts an ebuild to multilib, please dont disable binary building for other ABIs, as has already been done for some packages. This will break e.g. for users

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 09/08/13 17:40, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 09/08/13 15:36, hasufell wrote: On 08/09/2013 12:27 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:30 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 14:14:12 viv...@gmail.com viv...@gmail.com napisał(a): On 08/09/13 13:38, Pacho Ramos wrote: El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 19:39 +0800, Patrick Lauer escribió: On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman

[gentoo-dev] Marking of deprecated USE flags

2013-08-09 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
Some people want that repoman print warnings for ebuilds, whose effective IUSE contains deprecated USE flags (e.g. USE flags corresponding to old versions of Python/Ruby). I suggest that deprecation of USE flags be specified by (DEPRECATED) suffix in descriptions of given flags in

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Thomas Sachau
Michał Górny schrieb: Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 11:48:07 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org napisał(a): -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/08/13 11:43 AM, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 17:32:56 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org napisał(a): As the topic

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: Alon Bar-Lev schrieb: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Patrick

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving COLLISION_IGNORE (and UNINSTALL_IGNORE?) to profiles/*/make.defaults

2013-08-09 Thread Zac Medico
On 08/09/2013 02:32 AM, Michał Górny wrote: Hello, Just a quick one. Currently, the two listed variables are set in make.globals (installed by portage ebuild); COLLISION_IGNORE=/lib/modules/* *.py[co] *\$py.class UNINSTALL_IGNORE=/lib/modules/* COLLISION_IGNORE specifies files that

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/08/13 12:09 PM, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 11:48:07 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org napisał(a): -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/08/13 11:43 AM, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz.

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 18:32:04 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: Alexis Ballier schrieb: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 17:32:56 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: As the topic says, when someone converts an ebuild to multilib, please dont disable binary building for other ABIs,

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 12:49:21 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: ...so, allowing for the ability of 32bit userland with 64bit toolchain (via, say, setting ABI_X86=32 in make.conf) using the eclasses is just outright not ever going to happen? Never mind not supporting it, but

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 09/08/13 16:49, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 09/08/13 15:36, hasufell wrote: On 08/09/2013 12:27 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:30 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/09/2013 09:36 AM, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: It is not a regression if a new version of gnome

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 18:41:59 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: When when you have done it, try e.g. this: ABI_X86=32 emerge --oneshot =libjpeg-turbo-1.3.0-r2 that's why default abi is in use.force; if this is allowed and really disables abi_x86_64 on a stock amd64 profile I'd

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/08/13 01:09 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 18:41:59 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: When when you have done it, try e.g. this: ABI_X86=32 emerge --oneshot =libjpeg-turbo-1.3.0-r2 that's why default abi is

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/08/13 01:06 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 12:49:21 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: ...so, allowing for the ability of 32bit userland with 64bit toolchain (via, say, setting ABI_X86=32 in make.conf) using the

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:14:34 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/08/13 01:06 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 12:49:21 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: ...so, allowing for the ability of 32bit

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Thomas Sachau
Alexis Ballier schrieb: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 18:32:04 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: Alexis Ballier schrieb: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 17:32:56 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: As the topic says, when someone converts an ebuild to multilib, please dont disable binary

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:14:07 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/08/13 01:09 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 18:41:59 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: When when you have done it, try e.g. this:

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:23:50 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: Alexis Ballier schrieb: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 18:32:04 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: Alexis Ballier schrieb: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 17:32:56 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: As the topic

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/08/13 01:28 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:14:07 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/08/13 01:09 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 18:41:59

Re: [gentoo-dev] Marking of deprecated USE flags

2013-08-09 Thread yac
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 18:40:39 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfrever@gmail.com wrote: Some people want that repoman print warnings for ebuilds, whose effective IUSE contains deprecated USE flags (e.g. USE flags corresponding to old versions of Python/Ruby). I suggest that

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:36:31 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/08/13 01:28 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:14:07 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread William Hubbs
On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 05:22:38PM +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: You just removed the upgrade path for users. Just install systemd. There really

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 13:09:57 Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 18:41:59 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: When when you have done it, try e.g. this: ABI_X86=32 emerge --oneshot =libjpeg-turbo-1.3.0-r2 that's why default abi is in

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Michał Górny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 12:49:21 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org napisał(a): -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/08/13 12:09 PM, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 11:48:07 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] Marking of deprecated USE flags

2013-08-09 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 18:40:39 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfrever@gmail.com napisał(a): Some people want that repoman print warnings for ebuilds, whose effective IUSE contains deprecated USE flags (e.g. USE flags corresponding to old versions of Python/Ruby). I suggest that

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Fri, 9 Aug 2013 19:54:01 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 19:23:50 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org napisał(a): Alexis Ballier schrieb: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 18:32:04 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: Alexis Ballier schrieb: On

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 19:23:50 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org napisał(a): Alexis Ballier schrieb: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 18:32:04 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: Alexis Ballier schrieb: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 17:32:56 +0200 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org wrote: As the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Moving COLLISION_IGNORE (and UNINSTALL_IGNORE?) to profiles/*/make.defaults

2013-08-09 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 09:47:38 Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On 08/09/2013 02:32 AM, Michał Górny wrote: Hello, Just a quick one. Currently, the two listed variables are set in make.globals (installed by portage ebuild); COLLISION_IGNORE=/lib/modules/* *.py[co]

Re: [gentoo-dev] multilib conversion: Please keep building binaries for all target ABIs

2013-08-09 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/08/13 01:41 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:36:31 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/08/13 01:28 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 13:14:07

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