Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-05-10 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 10 May 2009 04:23:25 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: 1. It was a paludis bug, of course paludis --info came in handy (are you trying to jest? ;p) It's most likely not a Paludis bug; do you really think that no-one's ever tried to compile Qt4 on amd64 with Paludis until now? I'm guessing a

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-05-09 Thread Thomas Anderson
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:22:12PM +0100, Jeroen Roovers wrote: Hi folks, --info' is asked for in a bug report, post *that*. There are many examples of what should be included out here, so if you can't or won't use emerge, then you'll have to copy the information manually. Remarking that

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-05-09 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 2:44 AM, Thomas Anderson gentoofa...@gentoo.org wrote: Folks, I'd like to direct your attention to bug #269067. In this case, had the bugwrangler(yngwin) asked for paludis --info the bug could have been RESO INVALID without it getting to me. I wouldn't have wasted ~30

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-28 Thread Peter Volkov
В Срд, 08/04/2009 в 16:36 +0200, Jeroen Roovers пишет: On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:11:02 +0400 Peter Volkov p...@gentoo.org wrote: В Вск, 05/04/2009 в 22:41 +0200, Timothy Redaelli пишет: i think it's better to develop an emerge --info package It already exists. But regretfully it does not

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-13 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Just an idea without knowing all the details: Could - --emerge-info and --emerge-info-verbose options be added to paludis or - a converter script be written to convert paludis output to feel like emerge output to solves this issue? Would that technically be possible? Is paludis

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-13 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:21:37 +0200 Sebastian Pipping webmas...@hartwork.org wrote: Just an idea without knowing all the details: Could - --emerge-info and --emerge-info-verbose options be added to paludis or - a converter script be written to convert paludis output to feel like

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-13 Thread Sebastian Pipping
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Taking any of it out would be removing things that are required to determine the cause of a bug. I doubt that's true in most cases: The information needed to finding the bug is a (possibly small) subset of the whole. I don't see how additionally providing a stripped

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-13 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:50:07 +0200 Sebastian Pipping webmas...@hartwork.org wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Taking any of it out would be removing things that are required to determine the cause of a bug. I doubt that's true in most cases: The information needed to finding the bug is a

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-13 Thread Richard Freeman
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: This isn't a usability request. Making the use paludis --info cat/pkg text stand out more was a usability request, and I was happy to make that change. This is a few noxious trolls whining in an attempt to cause trouble. For those who have concerns with the paludis

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-08 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:11:02 +0400 Peter Volkov p...@gentoo.org wrote: В Вск, 05/04/2009 в 22:41 +0200, Timothy Redaelli пишет: i think it's better to develop an emerge --info package It already exists. But regretfully it does not provide useful output even about the package's USE flags

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-08 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Volkov wrote: В Вск, 05/04/2009 в 22:41 +0200, Timothy Redaelli пишет: i think it's better to develop an emerge --info package It already exists. But regretfully it does not provide useful output even about the package's USE flags so I

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-06 Thread Peter Volkov
В Вск, 05/04/2009 в 22:41 +0200, Timothy Redaelli пишет: i think it's better to develop an emerge --info package It already exists. But regretfully it does not provide useful output even about the package's USE flags so I suspect it was implemented for different purposes. -- Peter.

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-06 Thread Timothy Redaelli
On Monday 06 April 2009 05:29:01 Andrew D Kirch wrote: cut I think it's best as a general rule to NEVER _EVER_ under any circumstances emulate paludis. I think that everyone may have a good idea, also Microsoft (TM). I only take the idea. I don't care about who has it ;) I think that it's better

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-06 Thread Richard Freeman
Andrew D Kirch wrote: I reject the premise that war should always be prevented. I am however concerned that criticism where criticism is due is flame baiting. The original post did not contain any constructive criticism of paludis at all. It simply stated that under no circumstances should

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-05 Thread Timothy Redaelli
On Saturday 04 April 2009 18:12:09 Thilo Bangert wrote: 'guess'. Like how you have to guess what use flags are really being used for the package in question, because it doesn't tell you? i'd like to ask the developers of package managers to standardize this. having packagmanager --info be

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-05 Thread Andrew D Kirch
Timothy Redaelli wrote: On Saturday 04 April 2009 18:12:09 Thilo Bangert wrote: 'guess'. Like how you have to guess what use flags are really being used for the package in question, because it doesn't tell you? i'd like to ask the developers of package managers to standardize this.

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-05 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Andrew D Kirch wrote: I think it's best as a general rule to NEVER _EVER_ under any circumstances emulate paludis. While I'm not personally a fan of paludis, it doesn't help anyone to post crap like that to any mailing list. Please take it elsewhere. Thanks. -- Andrew Gaffney

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-05 Thread Andrew D Kirch
Andrew Gaffney wrote: Andrew D Kirch wrote: I think it's best as a general rule to NEVER _EVER_ under any circumstances emulate paludis. While I'm not personally a fan of paludis, it doesn't help anyone to post crap like that to any mailing list. Please take it elsewhere. Thanks.

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-05 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Andrew D Kirch trel...@trelane.net wrote: Why is it inappropriate to discuss the poor UI, and implementation of software we use especially in open source?  Maybe if we're closed to valid argument against poor methodology we can fail like everyone else who

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-05 Thread Andrew D Kirch
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Andrew D Kirch trel...@trelane.net wrote: Why is it inappropriate to discuss the poor UI, and implementation of software we use especially in open source? Maybe if we're closed to valid argument against poor methodology we can fail

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-04 Thread Peter Alfredsen
Paludis --info does not work for me. Plz2fix. In particular, have a look at http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=262277#c4 Where both emerge --info and paludis --info is posted. Sometimes, more is less. While it may be useful to post all the information about the package-manager for *you*,

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 15:17:30 +0200 Peter Alfredsen loki_...@gentoo.org wrote: While it may be useful to post all the information about the package-manager for *you*, it's not helping us (bug-wranglers) any. We need one screenfull of text that concisely shows us the state of your system. There

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-04 Thread Thilo Bangert
'guess'. Like how you have to guess what use flags are really being used for the package in question, because it doesn't tell you? i'd like to ask the developers of package managers to standardize this. having packagmanager --info be the same no matter who you like best is incredibly usefull.

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-04-04 Thread Matti Bickel
Thilo Bangert bang...@gentoo.org wrote: 'guess'. Like how you have to guess what use flags are really being used for the package in question, because it doesn't tell you? i'd like to ask the developers of package managers to standardize this. having packagmanager --info be the same no

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-02-18 Thread Dawid Węgliński
On Wednesday 18 of February 2009 23:22:12 Jeroen Roovers wrote: In short, `paludis --info' is not a replacement, and when `emerge --info' is asked for in a bug report, post *that*. Hi Jeroen. If you ask me to post a emerge --info you will get very, but very outdated info. Not much useful. Keep

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-02-18 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:35:00 +0100 Dawid Węgliński c...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wednesday 18 of February 2009 23:22:12 Jeroen Roovers wrote: In short, `paludis --info' is not a replacement, and when `emerge --info' is asked for in a bug report, post *that*. Hi Jeroen. If you ask me to post

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-02-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:22:12 +0100 Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote: Paludis users often seem to think that `paludis --info' and `emerge --info' are interchangeable, whereas a quick inspection reveals to even the most casual user that the former only intends to inform about paludis' own

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-02-18 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:55:06 + Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: ...which is why you ask for 'paludis --info pkg', not 'paludis --info'. Spread the word! jer

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-02-18 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:55:06 + Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: Heck, Paludis even tells you this if you run --info without a spec: No packages were specified on the command line, so detailed information is not available (Paludis can display detailed information

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-02-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:03:24 +0100 Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:55:06 + Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: ...which is why you ask for 'paludis --info pkg', not 'paludis --info'. Spread the word!

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-02-18 Thread Stelian Ionescu
On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 23:24 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:03:24 +0100 Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:55:06 + Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: ...which is why you ask for 'paludis --info pkg', not 'paludis

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-02-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:39:28 +0100 Stelian Ionescu stelian.ionescu-z...@poste.it wrote: could the output of paludis --info be made a little less verbose by eliminating repository information - perhaps except then one containing the package's ebuild That's useful information, so no. and info

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-02-18 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:24:25 + Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: http://git.pioto.org/gitweb/paludis.git?a=commitdiff;h=86dc61e Thanks. I hope it helps. jer