Thierry Carrez wrote:
But it's a good idea to have some kind of automatic replication of
frontpage announcements to gentoo-announce and the forums, this will
help getting important messages through. However, I'm not sure *all*
frontpage contents should get replicated to gentoo-announce and the
On Tuesday 01 November 2005 15:29, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 03:21 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:11:37 +0900 pclouds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Just curious how other distros deliver important news to their
| users?
By sticking out a new
Hello. First time posting; hope the message isn't ugly.
Anyway, from a generic point of view, I think the different suggestions
mentioned are all nice. One argument that seems to have cropped up in the latter
messages regards those users who do not keep up with news, break their system
and then
On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 04:52:39PM +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote:
The reason why the front page and the gentoo-announce ML (the two
official media for Gentoo - users information) are under-used is that
approximately 5% of the developers know how to post to them. We should
probably make them more
Sven Vermeulen wrote:
On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 04:52:39PM +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote:
The reason why the front page and the gentoo-announce ML (the two
official media for Gentoo - users information) are under-used is that
approximately 5% of the developers know how to post to them. We should
On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 16:42 +0900, Chris White wrote:
3) I think it would be a good idea for gentoo-announce to also include front
page announcements. This would work well for people that are more email
oriented (they use email a lot for business) and would keep things
centralized for
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 16:42 +0900, Chris White wrote:
3) I think it would be a good idea for gentoo-announce to also include front
page announcements. This would work well for people that are more email
oriented (they use email a lot for business) and would keep
Hi,
Stuart Herbert wrote:
It would be great if emerge --news displayed the same news as www.g.o.
Doesn't make much sense to me. The biggest benefit from --news over other,
traditional channels would be that it's linked to the tree, meaning, if you
emerge a new kernel version which doesn't
Stuart Herbert wrote:
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 08:40 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
Well, I think that if users knew that information would be on these
places, they might actually check them. Currently, little to no
information ever makes it to either of these locations, so users never
bother to
Simon Stelling wrote:
Reading gentoo-announce should be mandatory. If a user breaks his system
because he didn't know about an important fact due to his lazyness,
that's not our problem. Of course they will still bitch, so let's
introduce RESOLVED RTF_ML_.
Number of users subscribed to
Hi,
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 18:11 +0100, Simon Stelling wrote:
Doesn't make much sense to me. The biggest benefit from --news over other,
traditional channels would be that it's linked to the tree, meaning, if you
emerge a new kernel version which doesn't contain devfs anymore, the ebuild
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:55:40 +0100 Xavier Neys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Simon Stelling wrote:
| Reading gentoo-announce should be mandatory. If a user breaks his
| system because he didn't know about an important fact due to his
| lazyness, that's not our problem. Of course they will still
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 11:17 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
Implementing --news will take time.
It'll take time to get a Portage release out which supports this
functionality, sure. Implementing the functionality wouldn't take very
long at all.
Implementing more news on our site
now takes
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:56:19 + Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| You're talking about a reactive news system, telling users about the
| consequences of their actions. I'm after a pro-active news system,
| telling users about what will change, so that they have the
| information they
Stuart Herbert wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 18:11 +0100, Simon Stelling wrote:
Doesn't make much sense to me. The biggest benefit from --news over other,
traditional channels would be that it's linked to the tree, meaning, if you
emerge a new kernel version which doesn't contain devfs
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 19:55 +0100, Xavier Neys wrote:
Number of users subscribed to gentoo-announce: 7,988
Total number of GETs on our home page and news feed in a *single day*: 75,302
from 19,240 different IPs (on Sunday 2005-10-30).
Do you have any *useful* stats for www.g.o, like the
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 19:03 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:55:40 +0100 Xavier Neys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Simon Stelling wrote:
| Reading gentoo-announce should be mandatory. If a user breaks his
| system because he didn't know about an important fact due to his
|
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 19:07 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
So that every user will be spammed with news items about PHP changes,
even if they don't use PHP?
Only if I can spam you twice :P
Best regards,
Stu
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Gentoo
On 19:05 Mon 31 Oct , Stuart Herbert wrote:
Maybe we could add a big news warning in the next minor portage
update that when you tells you about the new news features (perhaps a
big einfo after you upgrade.
The problems of einfo messages not reaching our users have been well
What about Portage auto generating a upgrade file
(/usr/portage/notices (like it does with it's cache) and then
providing a notice at the end of an emerge than lets the user know
it's there and how to read it. We could even provide a switch in
portage to read the file and display the notices
On Monday 31 October 2005 21:07, David Morgan wrote:
Why not log all the e{info,warn}s into a file, and then tell the user
about them at the end of the emerge (in the same way they are told about
changes in /etc)? Said file should then be safe to delete if desired.
Mailing this info instead
Hi,
On 10/31/05, Dave Shanker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about Portage auto generating a upgrade file
(/usr/portage/notices (like it does with it's cache) and then
providing a notice at the end of an emerge than lets the user know
it's there and how to read it. We could even provide a
On Monday 31 October 2005 09:17 am, Lance Albertson wrote:
Implementing --news will take time. Implementing more news on our site
now takes little work and can be easily done. Outside of these two
options, what is better? I'd say a constant reminder in the GWN would be
helpful. Maybe we could
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 01:42 +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
There is *only one time* we can guarantee that we'll have a user's
attention. That's right after the message that tells a user how many
CONFIG_PROTECT files they need
Just curious how other distros deliver important news to their users?
On 10/30/05, Chris White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It has made somewhat painfully obvious as of late as to the lack of a
centralized source of updates for users. This has recently become true
moreso with the apache2 config
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:11:37 +0900 pclouds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Just curious how other distros deliver important news to their users?
By sticking out a new everything is incompatible release once or
twice a year.
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4) Forums. We have the News and Announcements box on the forums and we
will set sticky threads upon request. In fact we even stick threads
and posts announcements if we encounter something worth mentioning
in our opinion. Since we may not notice everything feel free to
contact us in
On 10/30/05, Michiel de Bruijne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday 30 October 2005 10:06, Wernfried Haas wrote:
4) Forums. We have the News and Announcements box on the forums and we
will set sticky threads upon request. In fact we even stick threads
and posts announcements if we
Qian Qiao wrote:
/signed, :)
The emerge --news is quite worth considering, and on p.g.o, stuart
mentioned having emerge to produce outputs like this after a sync:
quote
# emerge sync
Portage syncs the tree
* Important: 3 config files in /etc need updating.
* Type emerge --help config to learn
Hi,
On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 16:52 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Random thoughts about this important subject...
Yes, there is a need to push non-obvious upgrade information to our
users, and no, we can't rely on the GWN alone to convey that official
message.
We can't rely on it *at all*.
On Monday 31 October 2005 10:42, Stuart Herbert wrote:
[snip]
Some of those who hold the keys to those places have actively resisted
this in the past. Personally, I don't think the front page or
gentoo-announce will reach many more users than the Forums et al already
do.
Yes it will,
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