behavior.)
That way, anyone seeing the option somewhere in old code will still be
able to lookup what it did, and know that they can simply mentally ignore
that option when mentally tracing the old code in their head and delete
it in their updated version, because it's now the default.
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reasons...) after the option is no longer allowed (whether it directly
triggers an error or simply isn't processed at all, thus likely
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stent with the
existing pattern, which means, confusing tho it may be, it /does/ result
in most people not needing to care, so in the end, even tho I agree it's
definitely more complex than I'd wish, I'll have to lean Zac's way on
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Which effectively surprises even m
rd, FreeMono Bold 9.0 in my konsole windows,
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$ echo $COLUMNS x $LINES
179 x 78
And that's six of those on the 65" 4K, PLUS the full-screen 1080p youtube
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Zac Medico posted on Fri, 31 May 2013 22:49:02 -0700 as excerpted:
> On 05/31/2013 10:36 PM, Duncan wrote:
>> As in subject, is portage bin/usr-bin merge safe?
>>
>> It appears most of my clashing files are /usr/bin/* -> /bin/* symlinks.
>> (That's just bi
Zac Medico posted on Thu, 07 Dec 2017 01:07:21 -0800 as excerpted:
> On 12/07/2017 12:37 AM, Duncan wrote:
>> Zac Medico posted on Fri, 31 May 2013 22:49:02 -0700 as excerpted:
>>
>>> On 05/31/2013 10:36 PM, Duncan wrote:
>>>> As in subject, is portage
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have found the original quite irritating by about the third time I saw
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until later, if it would complicate the initial implementation too much.
[Bikeshed] I was thinking binpkg-${PF} to emphasize the binpkg part and
group any emergency-installed packages together in an alphabetical
listing. But whichever's easiest for portage to work with, which
probably makes the -binpkg suffix version a better choice, requiring less
modification to existing code.
Is there any interest at all in binpkgs, perhaps when improved, from the
other PMs? Or are they effectively dead now or not interested in binpkgs
even if the format were to be improved, or simply too hard to work with?
Because "it'd be nice" (aka MAY level) to have this formally standardized
to PMS... if there's any interest from the other PMs.
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I mentioned I personally tend
to find the ebuild (5) manpage easier for a quick lookup, and only tend
to use PMS when I'm checking details not in the ebuild (5) manpage or I
need the specific wording of the agreed PMS standard.
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today.
Thanks. I could get my brain around the old format but this is /so/ much
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nagement may malfunction."
Omitting "that" after "It seems" to shorten further, the longer /proc
case would result in:
It seems /proc is not mounted. Process management may malfunction.
Nicely under the target 70 chars. =:^)
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it is, as well. That there are as few
issues as there are with it, indeed, with running Gentoo in general due to
it, is a testament indeed to the talent of portage devs, both current and
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warning? If it's not a bug, may at least I ask for a brief explanation of
what the warning means so I can stop worrying about it...
able. I saw a two-month target between versions discussed, but
there was discussion of whether that would be practical, more like 90 day.
In any case, if they keep to the idea, and assuming your patches /are/
taken (as a user and mostly lurker, I have no say on it), they could
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n-tree eclasses. That's what I'm hoping, anyway.
Is that a true summation or does portage 2.1 now retain build-time eclasses
in the binpkg, rather than using those in the tree, when merging the
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ing a package over itself, where the message makes sense. Why is it
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instance to unmerge? Is this new behavior or has it always done that and I
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Paul Varner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 17
Feb 2007 23:45:43 -0600:
> On Sat, 2007-02-17 at 20:56 +0000, Duncan wrote:
>> Question: With the old library still around, will revdep-rebuild even try
>> to rebuild anything linked a
that handy list all nicely centralized to one
location would be a /big/ boon to security conscious Gentoo sysadmins
everywhere, so it's easily worth mentioning in the handbook as one of the
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Thanks, guys. It's already fun playing with! =8^)
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Andrew Gaffney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:56:20 -0500:
> Duncan wrote:
>> "--jobs=10 --keep-going --load-average=15"
>
> For a dual-dual-core setup, a load average of 4.0 is "fully loaded".
&g
;ve already decided that --jobs=10 is
going to need changed, I'm intuiting it needs to go up, but it's possible
I need to lower it. More experimentation is necessary! =8^)
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René 'Necoro' Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:31:55 +0200:
> Duncan schrieb:
>> Also, a little monitoring utility that could be run in another terminal
>> and just list and update all the currently me
der killing ~arch portage with set
support. But I'm not a dev, and maybe it's just me.
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ery happy about it, but if it
needs to happen, well...
[1] FWIW, I have kde-4.1.2 merged, but consider it still broken and well
short of what I'd find actually workable for daily use. There's just too
many bits and pieces that don't work, and won't work until at least
4.
daemon constantly, when (1) it's not needed constantly, and (2), there's
already a perfectly functional way of scheduling something to run when
it /is/ needed, complete with optional results mailing, etc, if it's
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Gentoo usually participates in the Google Summer of Code. Assuming
they have it again next year, if you're already considering spending some
time on Gentoo code this summer, might as well try to get paid a little
something for it. It could/should be a nice resume booster, too. =:^)
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>>> Installing sys-apps/sandbox-1.6
>>> Emerging (3 of 5) sys-fs/udev-140
>>> Emerging (4 of 5) sys-apps/coreutils-7.1
>>> Jobs: 2 of 5 complete, 1 runningLoad avg: 4.81, 3.95,
2.11*** %n in writable segment detected ***
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Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> posted pan.2009.03.14.16.53...@cox.net,
excerpted below, on Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:53:52 +:
> What's the below "%n in writable segment detected" bit all about?
Here's some more strange output, from the last line above but here
is running in the background.
That sucks!
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, not so much user portage speed tips, but
ask in the user list and forums and you'll surely get all sorts of info!
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Pacho Ramos posted
1239914420.18698.0.ca...@localhost, excerpted below, on Thu, 16 Apr 2009
22:40:20 +0200:
> Thanks, finally seems that, in my case, reiserfs with nolog,noatime
> works really fast and with a smaller size (thanks to "tail") :-D
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didn't explicitly reason that it was a test and therefore something he
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ant or need.
But I'm wondering, is there possibly some method of doing the same
complete-graph thing for the @installed set? I can't imagine ever using
it or for that matter @installed in any form here as it just doesn't fit
my admin style (as should be self-evident from the above
"Marijn Schouten (hkBst)" posted
4a22682a.1050...@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on Sun, 31 May 2009
13:21:14 +0200:
> Duncan wrote:
>> For leaf packages [-1] serves as a sort of test install.
>> Experimental installs and their deps typically sit in the
>> --depcle
"manually".
IOW, individuals could manually create the functionality currently, but
this would be less convenient than if portage shipped with the trialware
group functionality, no matter how it was implemented.
IOW, manual creation isn't as convenient as having it a normal part of
ith "emerge moo")!
=:^)
The output could be "OKAY", and a link to http://xkcd.com/149/, and a
hint that the option works best with -v.
The -v version could add an ascii sandwich.
Then put it in the help output (only, no manpage mention), with no
explanation, just the nota
ts/IRC-channels work well if you want a second user opinion, or
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ains a semi-secret,
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use when it applies. If you check bugs I've filed, for instance, say for
parallel make aka MAKEOPTS, you'll note that I often mention that I
verified that MAKEOPTS=-j1 works by setting it in the ap
Zac Medico posted 4a64c19b.80...@gentoo.org,
excerpted below, on Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:12:27 -0700:
> Duncan wrote:
>>
>> Does /etc/portage/env work for the python part of portage yet, or just
>> the ebuild.sh layer?
>
> It only works for ebuild.sh since it's imp
ing a bug asking for a
layman.cfg option, similar to the one already there for nocheck.
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you
were told to bring it up here, that's good too. =:^)
All I'm really saying is don't get too worried about a response time of a
couple weeks or more. That's simply a fact of life one deals with.
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Arthur D. posted on Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:30:16 +0300 as excerpted:
> To Duncan:
>> FWIW, 12 days isn't so bad.
> I didn't say 12 days is bad or something similar. I opened public bug
> report after having no reply in 12 days. Did I something wrong?
I misunderstood you, t
. =:^s But it's on the way to better, I know that. =:^)
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Zac Medico posted on Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:36:28 -0800 as excerpted:
> There's no replacement for it yet, so yes, for now that seems like the
> best option if you need such fine-grained control.
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due to circular dependencies. That means that it's installed
> before, just like RDEPEND, except when resolution of circular
> dependencies requires it to be installed after.
Thanks. That had confused me too, and Petteri and your definition neatly
breaks the confusion dependency cycle. =:
't necessarily work as
expected. Test it if in doubt... or put it in one of the bashrcs, with a
conditional so it's only applied to the package in question.)
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Followup to a rather old post...
Zac Medico posted on Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:00:18 -0700 as excerpted:
> Duncan wrote:
>> For the first 100 or so packages, it worked quite well. However, about
>> there, maybe package 120 or so, so about 20% of the way thru, it
>> reverted t
ocumentation allowing me (and others. of course) to
make proper heads and tails of all this is desperately needed. If it's
available already, then certainly we need a more highly visible pointer to
it, as I honestly haven't the foggiest and I'd not exactly call myself a
Gentoo ne
minimal that says
it builds without even the basic plugins, that functionality is preserved
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I still
get tab-completion for package names, etc. I just don't have to feed in
the long string of options I'd normally need to get the intended effect;
they're all 2-4 letter commands starting with ea or ep, so tab-
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one's been open
for over two months and is directly related to the make.conf move, so it's
a big one, simple fix proposed, but no actual fixes in-tree yet, plus
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> 101
>
>>hom>vivo$ equery belongs /usr/bin/sleep
> * Searching for /usr/bin/sleep ...
> sys-apps/coreutils-8.21 (/usr/bin/sleep)
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e user to set --autounmask-write=n if they want, would be just
fine, since I could put that in default options and be done with it.
Tho even that's a sufficiently drastic change from current behavior that
I'd expect a good changelog entry mentioning it, and preferably a news
ite
Alexander Berntsen posted on Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:03:36 +0100 as excerpted:
> On 21/11/13 12:19, Duncan wrote:
>> I'm with zmedico in comment #11, and *STRONGLY* oppose this change as
>> you're proposing. Current autounmask is **NOT** useless.
> How is it not? Conside
just calculated with the --pretend, without it. --ask currently avoids
that situation, since when I'm happy with the output, I can simply let it
go ahead.
> [0] <https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=481578#c10>
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t GMN, gentoo monthly newsletter,
now that it has been resurrected? The handbook and/or manpage are good,
but that won't necessarily reach the existing users GMN should, even if
it doesn't reach them all. From there the explanation will hopefully
spread via the users themselves. =:^)
evolves,
particularly if they've applied and are testing it!
Yes, people can go back and find the other version and do a diff, but the
vN oneline changelog format is /so/ much easier, and people can still do
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a seasoned submitter who is familiar with the process) can be an
indication that the author believes the patch is or may be preliminary,
and they're not yet ready for integration-tree inclusion or final review,
tho they usually say as much in t
fusion over the
changing --autounmask behavior, since that parameter would simply cease
to exist.
But I don't feel strongly about that. If people think the confusion over
--autounmask changing meaning isn't as big a deal as saving those few
extra characters necessary for the longer -wri
ell over the years, so would love to have this
functionality available.
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dbox-1.6-r2,2.3-r1,2.4,2.5,2.6-r1: sandbox'd LD_PRELOAD hack
What about homepage? An index for it too?
(I found myself so frequently esearching for homepage that I hacked up a
script that greps package names and homepages from the esearch results.)
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> On 10/14/2014 02:53 AM, Duncan wrote:
>> Zac Medico posted on Tue, 14 Oct 2014 00:40:21 -0700 as excerpted:
>>
>>> I suggest that we add support for a
>>> package description index file format
emporary
nature of the files? At least for --pretend.
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7;t affect you unless
> you use the new "unprivileged mode". If you do happen to use it, then
> you will probably appreciate this patch.
I misinterpreted then, thinking unprivileged mode was simply running as a
normal user.
Thanks. (And good to see you back... with more help no
in the metadata somewhere, it'd make things /so/ much easier! =:^)
But of course that does make having an automated cleaner that can keep
just the last N package versions around while deleting the others, that
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)
I had overlooked emaint --fix binhost (a hazard for those who have been
around long enough to have tools seriously evolve after the original
learning period), and hadn't thought at all about hardlinks (or btrfs
reflinks, since I'm using it for that partition). I expect I'll f
it's not worth worrying about
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't really know
about it. The other half of the answer is simple. It was never needed
before, as sourcing make.conf always "just worked". Now that it's
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ces to do it if I'm not
running X and thus don't have the 20-gesture-"button" programmed
flexibility of a well configured xf86-input-mtrack. An text-console
evdev-based mtrack driver to parallel the X driver would sure be nice!)
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ably with the double negation turning something ON, at least
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AFAICT, logically correct. =:^) Of course that doesn't mean people can
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[...]
Reading this gave me a distinct sense of deja vu reading this. ... =:^P
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and neither --check or --fix appear to apply to sync or log.
IOW, the manpage reads like it's rather outdated, having been only
barebones-updated for recent additions such that there's now missing and
outdated bits. Which I guess is exactly the case...
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Brian Dolbec posted on Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:11:56 -0800 as excerpted:
> As recommended by Duncan on the gentoo-portage-dev list.
> Clarify the all command.
> Add OPTIONS to all commands, so a user can determine which modules
> may run when the 'all' command is use
-place build
directly. Plus, creating a tmpfs mount if necessary, and setting
PORTAGE_TMPDIR, is easy, and you'll dramatically speed-up normal builds
as well. =:^)
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for users
that want to explore the portage flexibility they expose.
In theory, the actions category could be split up as well, perhaps simply
into common and other, but I'm less sure about this idea and consider it
less urgent in any case.
Comments?
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Alexander Berntsen posted on Thu, 12 Mar 2015 12:25:31 +0100 as excerpted:
> On 12/03/15 03:19, Duncan wrote:
>> Comments?
> Sure. Patches welcome.
LOL. I was expecting that[1]. =:^)
While I don't know the (presumably) roff markup I've seen in the manpage
patches, it
Kent Fredric posted on Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:23:59 +1300 as excerpted:
> On 12 March 2015 at 15:19, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Comments?
>
>
> A less radical change would be some sort of tagging notation on each
> feature to indicate their usage.
&g
unless you're talking
embedded, which you didn't mention.)
But of course, gentoo/portage lets you do it your way too, as
demonstrated by the hacks you posted. =:^)
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