Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 05 February 2009 09:57:38 Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 05 February 2009 09:28:50 Jesús Guerrero wrote: There are enough easy-to-use distros. Let us, masochists, live in peace. We love pain, why do people care so much about what we do with our privacy? :P [it's

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Jesús Guerrero wrote: El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 7:07, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: Sebastián Magrí wrote: The installation experience with the traditional method must be mandatory... That's why I think we are better now that GLI is deprecated... That's not good. It hurts Gentoo's

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 05 February 2009 09:28:50 Jesús Guerrero wrote: There are enough easy-to-use distros. Let us, masochists, live in peace. We love pain, why do people care so much about what we do with our privacy? :P [it's a joke, in case anyone didn't notice] There have been

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 05 February 2009 09:57:38 Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 05 February 2009 09:28:50 Jesús Guerrero wrote: There are enough easy-to-use distros. Let us, masochists, live in peace. We love pain, why do people care so much about

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Sebastián Magrí wrote: The installation experience with the traditional method must be mandatory... That's why I think we are better now that GLI is deprecated... That's not good. It hurts Gentoo's popularity

Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng +bash history

2009-02-05 Thread Marcin Niskiewicz
2009/2/4 Yannick Mortier mvmort...@googlemail.com 2009/2/4 Marcin Niskiewicz mniskiew...@gmail.com: Hello Marcin! I imply that you already have done some modifications to your syslog-ng.conf as logging everything the user type on the console is not in the standard file that comes with

[gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it

2009-02-05 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 05 February 2009 00:05:55 Paul Hartman wrote: Almost the same as mine, except I still have lots of font stuff in my xorg.conf -- do those go somewhere else? or are they unneeded in xorg.conf at all

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it

2009-02-05 Thread Man Shankar
On 08:40 Thu 05 Feb , Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 05 February 2009 00:05:55 Paul Hartman wrote: Almost the same as mine, except I still have lots of font stuff in my xorg.conf -- do those go somewhere else? or are they

Re: [gentoo-user] Where has vmware-config.pl gone?

2009-02-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:21:35 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: look at the output of equery files vmware-workstation if vmware-config.pl isn't there, and it should be you have a buggy ebuild vmware-config is no more with 6.5. I've not had to reconfigure the network, but rebuilding the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Joshua Murphy
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Sebastián Magrí wrote: The installation experience with the traditional method must be mandatory... That's why I think we are better

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 9:11, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: Jesús Guerrero wrote: El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 7:07, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: Sebastián Magrí wrote: The installation experience with the traditional method must be mandatory... That's why I think we are better now

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 10:13:54 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I can't think of a single reason why the installer should operate in a different manner to the way the thing will be used. Because installation is boring. The easier it is, the better. There is an automated installer in

[gentoo-user] AWstats problems

2009-02-05 Thread Johannes Frandsen
Hi I have in the last few days tried to get awstats up and running on my gentoo box but without any luck. I have emerge awstats without any problems and added this to my apache configuration (/etc/apache/httpd.conf) #AWStats configuration Alias /awstatsclasses

Re: [gentoo-user] When did bzImage move?

2009-02-05 Thread Steven Lembark
But that would only allow you to have two kernels laying around. Right now I have these: r...@smoker / # ls /boot/bzImage-2* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2355440 Jan 31 18:52 /boot/bzImage-2-28-r8-1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2460088 Jan 2 20:13 /boot/bzImage-2.6.23-r8-7 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root

Re: [gentoo-user] When did bzImage move?

2009-02-05 Thread Dale
Steven Lembark wrote: But that would only allow you to have two kernels laying around. Right now I have these: r...@smoker / # ls /boot/bzImage-2* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2355440 Jan 31 18:52 /boot/bzImage-2-28-r8-1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2460088 Jan 2 20:13 /boot/bzImage-2.6.23-r8-7

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Steven Lembark
A downside is that you'll need fast machines to comfortably build packages. I wouldn't use it on my Pentium 3 800Mhz for example. That would take ages to compile system/world with recent GCC versions. I guess GCC was much faster in the 2.x versions back then? How painful is it, really, to

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Steven Lembark wrote: A downside is that you'll need fast machines to comfortably build packages. I wouldn't use it on my Pentium 3 800Mhz for example. That would take ages to compile system/world with recent GCC versions. I guess GCC was much faster in the 2.x versions back then? How

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Dirk Uys
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Steven Lembark lemb...@wrkhors.com wrote: How painful is it, really, to run the job when you are asleep or away from the machine? Cron the update or use at to get the changes you want when you are away from the console. Not painful, uncomfortable: When I get

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Sebastián Magrí wrote: The installation experience with the traditional method must be mandatory... That's why I think we are better now that GLI is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Cocoy Dayao
my style has always been to get the minimal installer. chroot, install kernel to my specs then boot to hard drive, then start building it to how i want it built. the handbook is pretty specific and straight-forward. one just has to follow it. i've done N installs over the years and i still

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:. I can't think of a single reason why the installer should operate in a different manner to the way the thing will be used. Because installation is boring. The easier it is, the better. wrong. The

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Steven Lembark
Where did that bit of apocrypha come from, and why is it parroted by so many people? snip Depending on what you do with the system it still can be quite true. For example, there is a known bug in the RH distro of Perl that leaves it running 10x slower than a locally compiled version. There

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:. I can't think of a single reason why the installer should operate in a different manner to the way the thing will be used. Because installation

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Dirk Uys
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: wrong. The installation needs a certain difficulty to keep idiots away. Nobody needs idiots (except maybe ubuntu). That is insulting. My mother uses Ubuntu. Thanks for calling her an idiot.

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing shared libraries

2009-02-05 Thread Damian
Thank you Jesus and Paul. I will back up the libraries just in case. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Jesús Guerrero i92gu...@terra.es wrote: El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 20:28, Paul Hartman escribió: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Damian damian.o...@gmail.com wrote: Those shared objects

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:36:45 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Great thinking. Fortunately, there are people (like the Ubuntu folks) who don't think that way and are trying to make Linux more popular to people who need a computer to do tasks that are not related to the computer itself.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:22:35 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: How painful is it, really, to run the job when you are asleep or away from the machine? Cron the update or use at to get the changes you want when you are away from the console. Well, to answer you question, it is very

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:. I can't think of a single reason why the installer should operate in a different manner to the way the thing will be used. Because installation is boring. The easier it is, the better. wrong. The installation needs a certain

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Momesso Andrea
On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 02:26:40AM -0600, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 05 February 2009 09:57:38 Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 05 February 2009 09:28:50 Jesús Guerrero wrote: There are enough easy-to-use distros. Let us, masochists, live

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-05 Thread Stroller
On 4 Feb 2009, at 21:29, Drew Tomlinson wrote: ... To avoid running ntp-client and ntpd, look at the -g switch for ntpd. It will make the big jump once and then keep the clock in sync. So NTPD_OPTS=-g in /etc/conf.d/ntpd ? Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Saphirus Sage
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:. I can't think of a single reason why the installer should operate in a different manner to the way the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Saphirus Sage
Cocoy Dayao wrote: my style has always been to get the minimal installer. chroot, install kernel to my specs then boot to hard drive, then start building it to how i want it built. the handbook is pretty specific and straight-forward. one just has to follow it. i've done N installs over the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Saphirus Sage wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:. I can't think of a single reason why the installer should operate

Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng +bash history

2009-02-05 Thread Willie Wong
On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 09:31:07AM +0100, Penguin Lover Marcin Niskiewicz squawked: It works fine (it writes history to history.log) but still it writes it to those 3 files (debug , syslog, messages) as well ... so now everything I type is written to 4 files (debug , syslog, messages and

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Stroller
On 3 Feb 2009, at 22:39, Grant Edwards wrote: Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system similar to BSD ports where you build packages from source. The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get better performance because all executables are optimized for

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2009-02-05, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 10:13:54 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I can't think of a single reason why the installer should operate in a different manner to the way the thing will be used. Because installation is boring. The easier it

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2009-02-05, Dirk Uys dirkc...@gmail.com wrote: The type of user I don't like is the ignorant type. Innocent users are ok, they don't know, but ignorant users choose not to know. Surely there are things you use without knowing how they work. You probably use a phone, but do you _really_

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2009-02-05, Steven Lembark lemb...@wrkhors.com wrote: A downside is that you'll need fast machines to comfortably build packages. I wouldn't use it on my Pentium 3 800Mhz for example. That would take ages to compile system/world with recent GCC versions. I guess GCC was much faster in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2009-02-05, Dirk Uys dirkc...@gmail.com wrote: The type of user I don't like is the ignorant type. Innocent users are ok, they don't know, but ignorant users choose not to know. Surely there are things you use without knowing how they

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:26:30 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: If you can spend a week installing Gentoo, it's not a problem. If you need to have a machine up and running in an hour, it's a problem. Building OOo on the last install I did took well over 30 hours. The GRP packages were

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

2009-02-05 Thread Grant
What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long election campaign? A log. Everything that's censored in the mass media. I'm still very interested in suggestions on uncensored media. I watched one episode of Global Pulse by Link TV, this one (although they seem to be down

[gentoo-user] accessing a bash

2009-02-05 Thread Jon Hardcastle
Hey guys.. random Linux question. If i have a bash process running on my machine that i am not 'attatched' to is there anyway to access it and see what it is doing short of just killing it? Thanks. --- N: Jon Hardcastle E: j...@ehardcastle.com '..Be fearful when others are

Re: [gentoo-user] accessing a bash

2009-02-05 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Jon Hardcastle wrote: Hey guys.. random Linux question. If i have a bash process running on my machine that i am not 'attatched' to is there anyway to access it and see what it is doing short of just killing it? open files: lsof everything else: strace

Re: [gentoo-user] accessing a bash

2009-02-05 Thread Andrey Falko
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Jon Hardcastle jd_hardcas...@yahoo.comwrote: Hey guys.. random Linux question. If i have a bash process running on my machine that i am not 'attatched' to is there anyway to access it and see what it is doing short of just killing it? Thanks. See if it has

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Stroller wrote: [...] To be honest, I am surprised this notion of optimised executables has stuck around long enough that you've heard it, but it's an old joke to many of us who were around in 2004. But AFAIK, it *was* faster because Gentoo used the egcs fork of GCC which did produce faster

[gentoo-user] Re: accessing a bash

2009-02-05 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Jon Hardcastle wrote: Hey guys.. random Linux question. If i have a bash process running on my machine that i am not 'attatched' to is there anyway to access it and see what it is doing short of just killing it? Thanks. Give us the output of ps aux | grep bash and we might be able to tell

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: Stroller wrote: [...] To be honest, I am surprised this notion of optimised executables has stuck around long enough that you've heard it, but it's an old joke to many of us who were around in 2004. But AFAIK, it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: optimized for your system -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Stroller wrote: [...] To be honest, I am surprised this notion of optimised executables has stuck around long enough that you've heard it, but it's an old joke to many of us who were around in 2004. But AFAIK, it *was* faster

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 2/5/2009 7:01 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: no. He is an idiot if he does not read the docs. Simple. Like people who don't read the manual to their car or vcr and then complaining if something does not work. Idiots. They should read the manual is *not* a valid design goal for a system.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.2 missing Oxygen

2009-02-05 Thread Naga
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 21:28:30 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 20:56:33 Naga wrote: On Wednesday 04 February 2009 18:32:52 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:13:47 +0100, Naga wrote: I was wondering if I'm the only one who is missing the Oxygen

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Mike Edenfield wrote: On 2/5/2009 7:01 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: no. He is an idiot if he does not read the docs. Simple. Like people who don't read the manual to their car or vcr and then complaining if something does not work. Idiots. They should

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: gentoo's installer is EASY if you just read the docs. I'd rather be installing and waiting for the installer to tell me what to do rather than go read docs somewhere else :P

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE-4.2 missing Oxygen

2009-02-05 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Naga wrote: I've reinstalled KDE-4.2 from portage at least 3 times, and in between compiling it from svn. The svn copy always works ok, the portage one is always missing Oxygen. Do you have kde-base/kdebase-desktoptheme installed? That's Oxygen.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: gentoo's installer is EASY if you just read the docs. I'd rather be installing and waiting for the installer to tell me what to do rather than go read docs somewhere else :P and when the nice installer fucks

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: gentoo's installer is EASY if you just read the docs. I'd rather be installing and waiting for the installer to tell me what to do rather than go read docs somewhere else :P and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 12:36, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:. I can't think of a single reason why the installer should operate in a different manner to the way the thing will be used. Because

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: gentoo's installer is EASY if you just read the docs. I'd rather be installing and waiting for the installer to tell me

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Joshua D Doll
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: gentoo's installer is EASY if you just read the docs. I'd rather be installing and waiting for the installer to tell me what to do rather than go read docs

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Saphirus Sage
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: gentoo's installer is EASY if you just read the docs. I'd rather be installing and waiting for the installer to tell me what to do rather than go read docs

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 14:53, Saphirus Sage escribió: Cocoy Dayao wrote: There are certain situations where the step-by-step installer isn't adequate. For instance, when I was installing gentoo on my G4, it was straight forward and easy, but when I decided to do a minimal install on

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 16:23, Grant Edwards escribió: On 2009-02-05, Dirk Uys dirkc...@gmail.com wrote: The type of user I don't like is the ignorant type. Innocent users are ok, they don't know, but ignorant users choose not to know. Surely there are things you use without knowing

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 20:00, Mike Edenfield escribió: On 2/5/2009 7:01 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: no. He is an idiot if he does not read the docs. Simple. Like people who don't read the manual to their car or vcr and then complaining if something does not work. Idiots. They

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:03:30 +0100 (CET), Jesús Guerrero wrote: Gentoo is not a distro. You don't use it, It's a metadristro that can be used to build a proper distro, after that you can use the final product. It's a flatpack distro ;-) -- Neil Bothwick Hi, I'm not a signature virus. Why

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Saphirus Sage wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: You're screwed anyway if you can't use the CLI installer correctly. Reading the docs is fine, but they're written for geeks, not normal people. Normal people don't have a clue what the docs are talking about :) It seems to me that not to many

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP and gentoo was never meant for the clueless. Ah, come on Volker, say what's true. My 81 year old dad uses Gentoo and he cannot use vi. Maybe you really meant, but didn't say, 'Gentoo was never meant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Joshua D Doll joshua.d...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Handbook and other Official gentoo docs are well and written. I feel they are so well written and informative that a new user could read and follow what the doc is trying to convey. --Joshua Doll I

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Jesús Guerrero wrote: It's not The community vs. you, you are part of the community since the very moment you start using linux. Most people don't want to be some part of some weird community. They just want to use a computer. If they were looking for friends, they might try the local

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Joshua D Doll joshua.d...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Handbook and other Official gentoo docs are well and written. I feel they are so well written and informative that a new user could

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread kashani
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: because it kept the 'i am too cool to read the docs' idiots away. Being forced to read the documentation is a good thing - and it did not hurt gentoo's popularity. Only after it started to catering to idiots and more and more of loud mouthed 'I am the centre of the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP and gentoo was never meant for the clueless. Ah, come on Volker, say what's true. My 81 year old dad uses Gentoo and he cannot use vi. Maybe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Joshua D Doll
Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Joshua D Doll joshua.d...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Handbook and other Official gentoo docs are well and written. I feel they are so well written and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Joshua D Doll joshua.d...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Handbook and other Official gentoo docs are well

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 21:25, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: Jesús Guerrero wrote: It's not The community vs. you, you are part of the community since the very moment you start using linux. Most people don't want to be some part of some weird community. They just want to use a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 22:01, Jesús Guerrero escribió: El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 21:25, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: Jesús Guerrero wrote: It's not The community vs. you, you are part of the community since the very moment you start using linux. Most people don't want to be

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:25:11 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Most people don't want to be some part of some weird community. They just want to use a computer. If they were looking for friends, they might try the local sports club. Who are these people on whose behalf you speak? Why should

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Joshua D Doll
Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Joshua D Doll joshua.d...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Handbook and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread momesso . andrea
Sorry for top posting, it's BlackBerry's behavior. I cannot agree when you say that gentoo docs are written for geeks. Gentoo's install guide is very well written and i18ed, at least in my native language. It takes the user step by step to prepare his enviroment, to install the distro,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Joshua D Doll joshua.d...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Joshua D Doll joshua.d...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Handbook and other Official

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Joshua D Doll
Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Joshua D Doll joshua.d...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Joshua D Doll joshua.d...@gmail.com wrote: I

[gentoo-user] Flash Drive Install

2009-02-05 Thread sean
Once you go through the steps instructed here, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/liveusb.xml Can the live CD install be altered to work just like a normal Gentoo system? I have managed to get my hands on a 16GB flash drive, and am thinking of trying it out. Thanks Sean

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Joshua D Doll joshua.d...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Handbook and other Official gentoo docs are well and written. I feel they are so well written and informative that a new user could read and follow what the doc is trying to convey.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Dale
Joshua D Doll wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: I completely agree. I like the control also. I only took a *very* small exception to Joshua's statement that a 'new user' could read, follow it and understand what

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Joshua D Doll
Dale wrote: Joshua D Doll wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: I completely agree. I like the control also. I only took a *very* small exception to Joshua's statement that a 'new user' could read, follow it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Saphirus Sage
Joshua D Doll wrote: Dale wrote: Joshua D Doll wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: I completely agree. I like the control also. I only took a *very* small exception to Joshua's statement that a 'new user'

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Joshua D Doll
Saphirus Sage wrote: Joshua D Doll wrote: Dale wrote: Joshua D Doll wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: I completely agree. I like the control also. I only took a *very* small

[gentoo-user] Why does VMWare 6.5 ask for vmware-config.pl?

2009-02-05 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 08:44 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:21:35 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: look at the output of equery files vmware-workstation if vmware-config.pl isn't there, and it should be you have a buggy ebuild It isn't in the equery output.

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-05 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 13:04 +, Stroller wrote: On 4 Feb 2009, at 21:29, Drew Tomlinson wrote: ... To avoid running ntp-client and ntpd, look at the -g switch for ntpd. It will make the big jump once and then keep the clock in sync. So NTPD_OPTS=-g in /etc/conf.d/ntpd ? Stroller.

SOLVED: Re: [gentoo-user] Why does VMWare 6.5 ask for vmware-config.pl?

2009-02-05 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 08:44 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: OK, so the question is why does VMWare not work, ie. it still asks for vmware-config.pl and doesn't run. after playing with vmware-netcfg, searching more on google and chmoding various things, all to no effect, I remembered this file:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Dale
Joshua D Doll wrote: Saphirus Sage wrote: Joshua D Doll wrote: Dale wrote: Joshua D Doll wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: I completely agree. I like the control also. I only took

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Saphirus Sage
Dale wrote: Joshua D Doll wrote: Saphirus Sage wrote: Joshua D Doll wrote: Dale wrote: Joshua D Doll wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Stroller
On 5 Feb 2009, at 23:12, Joshua D Doll wrote: ... Also man pages lacking valuable information is the reason why GNU has switched to the majority of their packages to using info! I suspect the reason for this is far more about navigation then contents. GNU can rewrite all their man pages if

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Stroller
On 5 Feb 2009, at 23:03, Saphirus Sage wrote: ... Man pages are notoriously bad. The gentoo handbook and other official docs are great OTOH. Man pages notoriously bad?! Now that's a stance I can hardly understand, they've always been a godsend in my experience! Just practice using a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 4:03, Stroller escribió: My experience is that only after learning the syntax of manpages (is that itself documented?) do I find most of them tremendously easy to navigate to find the one specific option I'm looking for. If all the problem about man pages is

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

2009-02-05 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: Can you recommend a non-biased news source online? http://www.breakthematrix.com/ http://www.infowars.com/ cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/

[gentoo-user] Using portage through NFS

2009-02-05 Thread Chris Lieb
I have read the guide on gentoo-wiki about setting up portage to work over NFS[0] and have it mostly working. I have two issues that I would like to work out: 1) I use sync-eix to update portage and my overlays (via layman). I want the client to still be able to run sync-eix, but have it only

[gentoo-user] Using portage through NFS

2009-02-05 Thread Chris Lieb
I have read the guide on gentoo-wiki about setting up portage to work over NFS[0] and have it mostly working. I have two issues that I would like to work out: 1) I use sync-eix to update portage and my overlays (via layman). I want the client to still be able to run sync-eix, but have it only

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Stroller
On 6 Feb 2009, at 03:08, Jesús Guerrero wrote: El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 4:03, Stroller escribió: My experience is that only after learning the syntax of manpages (is that itself documented?) do I find most of them tremendously easy to navigate to find the one specific option I'm looking

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-05 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 5:40, Stroller escribió: less [-[+]aBcCdeEfFgGiIJKLmMnNqQrRsSuUVwWX~] [-b space] [-h lines] [-j line] [-k keyfile] [-{oO} logfile] [-p pattern] [-P prompt] [-t tag] [-T tagsfile] [-x tab,...] [-y lines] [-[z] lines] [-# shift] [+[+]cmd] [--] [filename]...

[gentoo-user] testing a corrupt SD card

2009-02-05 Thread Iain Buchanan
Hi all, recently my SD card just went bonkers. Unfortunately I lost a lot of photos on it (backups are useless until the data actually gets to the backup...) but fortunately I was able to use a program to recover about 170 photos. Anyway, I don't know if it was just static, shock, dead card, or

[gentoo-user] Multiple architectures for portage CFLAGS?

2009-02-05 Thread daid kahl
Hello, I have encountered a problem maintaining my system using revdep-rebuild. I have both gcc-3.4.6 and gcc-4.3.2 installed on my machine. I mainly use gcc4, but sometimes I need g77 because many people at my laboratory use fortran code that is not compliant with gfortran standards. However,

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