Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB crucial file recovery

On 31/08/2016 02:08, Grant wrote: And why use exfat if you use linux? It is just not needed at all. >>> >>> I agree. If you want to transport something between Linux systems, >>> use ext2/3 and use "mount" options to handle the permission issues. >> >> You can't control ownership and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB crucial file recovery

>> > And why use exfat if you use linux? It is just not needed at all. >> >> I agree. If you want to transport something between Linux systems, >> use ext2/3 and use "mount" options to handle the permission issues. > > You can't control ownership and permissions of existing files with mount >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB crucial file recovery

On 31/08/2016 01:06, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2016-08-30, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 20:42:05 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: >> And why use exfat if you use linux? It is just not needed at all. >>> >>> I agree. If you want to transport something

[gentoo-user] Re: USB crucial file recovery

On 2016-08-30, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 20:42:05 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > >> > And why use exfat if you use linux? It is just not needed at all. >> >> I agree. If you want to transport something between Linux systems, >> use ext2/3 and use

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB crucial file recovery

On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 20:42:05 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > > And why use exfat if you use linux? It is just not needed at all. > > I agree. If you want to transport something between Linux systems, > use ext2/3 and use "mount" options to handle the permission issues. You can't control

Re: [gentoo-user] USB crucial file recovery

On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 13:32:19 -0700, Grant wrote: > If I use ext2 on the USB stick, can I mount and use it as any user on > any Gentoo system from within a file manager like thunar? No, because ext2 uses proper Linux file permissions. > Should I consider ext3/4 with journaling disabled? That's

Re: [gentoo-user] USB crucial file recovery

On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 20:12:12 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> OP is looking for an fs to put on a memory stick that will work > >> everywhere: > >> > >> - vfat > >> - exfat > > > > He asked for something that would work "across Gentoo systems". > > > > > > How does exfat not fulfil that? It

Re: [gentoo-user] removal of bopm before hopm is in tree

Also of note is that the bopm confug uses blacklists other than njabl which are still active.

Re: [gentoo-user] removal of bopm before hopm is in tree

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Thursday, August 25, 2016 07:29:35 PM Raymond Jennings wrote: > > I still use bopm, and it built fine last time I emerged it. > > > > If hopm isn't in the tree yet, why was bopm still pmasked for removal? > > > > Reason

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB crucial file recovery

Am 30.08.2016 um 23:59 schrieb Rich Freeman: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann > wrote: >> the journal does not add any data integrity benefits at all. It just >> makes it more likely that the fs is in a sane state if there is a crash. >> Likely.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB crucial file recovery

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > the journal does not add any data integrity benefits at all. It just > makes it more likely that the fs is in a sane state if there is a crash. > Likely. Not a guarantee. Your data? No one cares. > That

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @system

On Tuesday 30 Aug 2016 15:30:51 Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Tuesday 30 Aug 2016 13:38:13 J. Roeleveld wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:56:50 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > On Tuesday 30 Aug 2016 12:06:43 Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > > You should elaborate more and be specific on what you

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB crucial file recovery

Am 30.08.2016 um 22:46 schrieb Rich Freeman: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Grant Edwards > wrote: >> There's nothing in Gentoo that guarantees everybody has ext2 support >> in their kernels. That said, I agree that ext2 (or perhaps ext3 with >> journalling

Re: [gentoo-user] USB crucial file recovery

Am 30.08.2016 um 22:32 schrieb Grant: ext2 doesn't have a journal, that's why I suggested it in the first > place. My point was against all the journalised filesystems (that includes NTFS), not against your advice ;) >>> OP is looking for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB crucial file recovery

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: > > There's nothing in Gentoo that guarantees everybody has ext2 support > in their kernels. That said, I agree that ext2 (or perhaps ext3 with > journalling disabled -- I've always been a bit fuzzy on whether

Re: [gentoo-user] USB crucial file recovery

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Grant wrote: >> >> ext2 is on every system, exfat not. ext2 is very stable, tested and well >> aged. exfat is some fuse something crap. New, hardly tested and unstable >> as it gets. >> > > If I use ext2 on the USB stick, can I mount and use

[gentoo-user] Re: USB crucial file recovery

On 2016-08-30, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > ext2 is on every system, Unless it isn't. There's nothing in Gentoo that guarantees everybody has ext2 support in their kernels. That said, I agree that ext2 (or perhaps ext3 with journalling disabled -- I've always been

Re: [gentoo-user] USB crucial file recovery

>>> ext2 doesn't have a journal, that's why I suggested it in the >>> first place. >>> My point was against all the journalised filesystems (that >>> includes >>> NTFS), not against your advice ;) >>> >> >> OP is looking for an fs to put on a memory stick that will

Re: [gentoo-user] USB crucial file recovery

Am 30.08.2016 um 21:14 schrieb J. Roeleveld: > On August 30, 2016 8:58:17 PM GMT+02:00, Volker Armin Hemmann > wrote: >> Am 30.08.2016 um 20:12 schrieb Alan McKinnon: >>> On 30/08/2016 14:04, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 12:08:13 +0200, Alan McKinnon

Re: [gentoo-user] USB crucial file recovery

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Grant wrote: > I decided to copy a 10GB file from a USB hard disk directly to the USB > stick this morning and I ran into errors so I canceled the operation > and now the file manager (thunar) has been stuck for well over an hour > and I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] USB crucial file recovery

On August 30, 2016 8:58:17 PM GMT+02:00, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >Am 30.08.2016 um 20:12 schrieb Alan McKinnon: >> On 30/08/2016 14:04, Neil Bothwick wrote: >>> On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 12:08:13 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> >> ext2 doesn't have a journal, that's

Re: [gentoo-user] USB crucial file recovery

Am 30.08.2016 um 20:12 schrieb Alan McKinnon: > On 30/08/2016 14:04, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 12:08:13 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> > ext2 doesn't have a journal, that's why I suggested it in the first > place. My point was against all the journalised

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @system

On 30/08/2016 12:56, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Tuesday 30 Aug 2016 12:06:43 Alan McKinnon wrote: You should elaborate more and be specific on what you mean by "The reason is an intermittent series of apparently unrelated things going wrong." Here's one then: In KMail (yes, I know*) the folder

Re: [gentoo-user] USB crucial file recovery

On 30/08/2016 14:04, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 12:08:13 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: ext2 doesn't have a journal, that's why I suggested it in the first place. My point was against all the journalised filesystems (that includes NTFS), not against your advice ;) OP is

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @system

On Tuesday 30 Aug 2016 13:38:13 J. Roeleveld wrote: > On Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:56:50 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Tuesday 30 Aug 2016 12:06:43 Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > You should elaborate more and be specific on what you mean by "The > > > reason is an intermittent series of apparently

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Shutter alternatives

Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2016-08-30, Raffaele BELARDI wrote: > >> If dumping a single X window is sufficient there is also x11-apps/xwd, >> which I use together with convert from imagemagik: >> >> $ /usr/bin/xwd | convert - screenshot.png > > That seems a bit redundant.

[gentoo-user] Re: Shutter alternatives

On 2016-08-30, Raffaele BELARDI wrote: > If dumping a single X window is sufficient there is also x11-apps/xwd, > which I use together with convert from imagemagik: > > $ /usr/bin/xwd | convert - screenshot.png That seems a bit redundant. If you have imagemagick, just

Re: [gentoo-user] USB crucial file recovery

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:35 AM, Azamat Hackimov wrote: > > I would recommend to use F2FS filesystem, since you have only Linux systems. > As a user of immature filesystems, I would not recommend F2FS unless you want to be a user of immature filesystems. Remember how

Re: [gentoo-user] python-updater: depclean removes it?

On Monday, August 29, 2016 05:10:37 PM Daniel Frey wrote: > On 08/29/2016 03:39 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > On 08/29/2016 06:10 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> What replaces it's functionality, or what is now in the codebase that > >> guarantees the problems python-updater fixed can't happen

Re: [gentoo-user] USB crucial file recovery

On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 12:08:13 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> ext2 doesn't have a journal, that's why I suggested it in the first > >> place. > > > > My point was against all the journalised filesystems (that includes > > NTFS), not against your advice ;) > > > > > OP is looking for an fs

Re: [gentoo-user] USB crucial file recovery

On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 11:43:13 +0200, Alarig Le Lay wrote: > On Tue Aug 30 10:40:01 2016, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > ext2 doesn't have a journal, that's why I suggested it in the first > > place. > > My point was against all the journalised filesystems (that includes > NTFS), not against your

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @system

On Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:56:50 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Tuesday 30 Aug 2016 12:06:43 Alan McKinnon wrote: > > You should elaborate more and be specific on what you mean by "The > > reason is an intermittent series of apparently unrelated things going > > wrong." > > Here's one then: In

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @system

On Tuesday 30 Aug 2016 11:56:50 I wrote: > On Tuesday 30 Aug 2016 12:06:43 Alan McKinnon wrote: > > You should elaborate more and be specific on what you mean by "The > > reason is an intermittent series of apparently unrelated things going > > wrong." > > Here's one then: In KMail (yes, I know)

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @system

On Tuesday 30 Aug 2016 12:06:43 Alan McKinnon wrote: > You should elaborate more and be specific on what you mean by "The > reason is an intermittent series of apparently unrelated things going > wrong." Here's one then: In KMail (yes, I know*) the folder list contains an item "trash" (ugh!),

Re: [gentoo-user] USB crucial file recovery

On 30/08/2016 11:43, Alarig Le Lay wrote: > On Tue Aug 30 10:40:01 2016, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> ext2 doesn't have a journal, that's why I suggested it in the first place. > > My point was against all the journalised filesystems (that includes > NTFS), not against your advice ;) > OP is

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @system

On 30/08/2016 11:25, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Tuesday 30 Aug 2016 00:07:53 Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> Don't forget that @system only lives in a context, and the context is a >> real computer. >> >> Out of context it's just a list of strings. In context, it's strings >> that means packages, with

Re: [gentoo-user] USB crucial file recovery

On Tue Aug 30 10:40:01 2016, Neil Bothwick wrote: > ext2 doesn't have a journal, that's why I suggested it in the first place. My point was against all the journalised filesystems (that includes NTFS), not against your advice ;) -- alarig signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [gentoo-user] USB crucial file recovery

On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 10:29:00 +0200, Alarig Le Lay wrote: > > So I'm done with NTFS forever. Will ext2 somehow allow me to use the > > USB stick across Gentoo systems without permission/ownership > > problems? > > I always use pmount for USB and other flash devices to have it > mounted with my

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge @system

On Tuesday 30 Aug 2016 00:07:53 Alan McKinnon wrote: > Don't forget that @system only lives in a context, and the context is a > real computer. > > Out of context it's just a list of strings. In context, it's strings > that means packages, with deps and everything else that needs to be > built

[gentoo-user] Re: emerge @system

Peter Humphrey wrote: > > Would it be sensible to use the 44 packages in that @system as a new > set @sysbase on the main system, or would I miss something important? Actually, this set is even _larger_ than the @system set which I got from combining both profiles

Re: [gentoo-user] USB crucial file recovery

On Mon Aug 29 17:51:19 2016, Grant wrote: > So I'm done with NTFS forever. Will ext2 somehow allow me to use the > USB stick across Gentoo systems without permission/ownership problems? I always use pmount for USB and other flash devices to have it mounted with my user permissions at all times.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: What's happened to gentoo-sources?

On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 08:34:55 +0200, Kai Krakow wrote: > Surprise surprise, 4.7 has this (still not fully fixed) oom-killer bug. > When I'm running virtual machines, it still kicks in. I wanted to stay > on 4.6.x until 4.8 is released, and only then switch to 4.7. Now I was > forced early (I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] USB crucial file recovery

On Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:51:19 -0700, Grant wrote: > # ddrescue -d -r3 /dev/sdb usb.img usb.log > [...] > Ah, I got it, I just needed to specify the offset when mounting. Tht's because you ran ddrescue on the whole stick and not the partition containing the filesystem. > Thank you so much

Re: [gentoo-user] USB crucial file recovery

On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 06:46:54 +0100, Mick wrote: > > So I'm done with NTFS forever. Will ext2 somehow allow me to use the > > USB stick across Gentoo systems without permission/ownership problems? > > > > - Grant > > ext2 will work, but you'll have to mount it or chmod -R 0777, or only > root

[gentoo-user] Re: What's happened to gentoo-sources?

Am Sun, 21 Aug 2016 07:28:17 -0400 schrieb Rich Freeman : > On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 6:20 AM, Peter Humphrey > wrote: > > On Sunday 21 Aug 2016 05:55:06 Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 5:12 AM, Peter Humphrey > >>