Re: [gentoo-user] Rebuilding all dependants of a package

2018-02-19 Thread Alan McKinnon
hehehehe :-) every now and again I unleash my inner grumpy old fart and should him to the world at large! On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Neil Bothwick <n...@digimed.co.uk> wrote: > On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:05:03 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > Perhaps you should lay out cle

Re: [gentoo-user] Rebuilding all dependants of a package

2018-02-19 Thread Alan McKinnon
hing in this, that is a bug and the ebuild needs updating. Perhaps you should lay out clearly why you think you need to do this, so everyone else can help match your expectations to reality :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] How to test package install?

2018-02-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
t; You can normally build as yourself. Install requires root typically due to write permissions on *bin and /etc. You can probably come up with a clever way to do this, but by far the easiest is the classic: sudo ebuild /path/to/pkg.ebuild install -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] A little help for non-native English speakers

2018-02-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
hehehehe :-) Old joke but a good one: Q: Why don't we obfuscate perl? A; Because that makes it more readable On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Neil Bothwick <n...@digimed.co.uk> wrote: > On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 09:34:06 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > As a native English s

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] A little help for non-native English speakers

2018-02-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 02/02/2018 09:47, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 09:34:06AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: PS.: As a non-native, I always found e.g. and i.e. easy to keep apart because when you say "e.g." as a word without the dots, it becomes "eg", which, phonet

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] A little help for non-native English speakers

2018-02-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
er the precedence rules about its and it's... I vote we dump English in it's entirety and all switch to Python -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple SMTP to cmd-line MTA relay?

2018-01-19 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 19/01/2018 22:03, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2018-01-19, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 19/01/2018 21:54, Grant Edwards wrote: >>> On 2018-01-19, Ian Zimmerman <i...@very.loosely.org> wrote: >>>> On 2018-01-19 18:49, Grant Edwar

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple SMTP to cmd-line MTA relay?

2018-01-19 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 19/01/2018 22:01, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2018-01-19, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 19/01/2018 21:43, Ian Zimmerman wrote: >>> On 2018-01-19 18:49, Grant Edwards wrote: >>> >>>>> Just like the others writing in this th

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple SMTP to cmd-line MTA relay?

2018-01-19 Thread Alan McKinnon
ut it know. > > Can exim transfer mail to an Exchange server that doesn't expose an > SMTP server? > Errr, no. exim does SMTP. If the above is what you need, any orthodox mail server would need to hand the mail over to something that *can* deliver to Exchange. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple SMTP to cmd-line MTA relay?

2018-01-19 Thread Alan McKinnon
as you say). Otherwise I'm going to give you boilerplate advice: Use ssmtp, unless the mail isn't coming from localhost and you need simple (use postfix); otherwise if your setup is tricky use exim. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] fsck check of /usr on a separate partition fails during boot

2018-01-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 14/01/2018 01:36, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:16:19 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On 13/01/2018 23:16, Neil Bothwick wrote: >>> On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 14:57:59 -0600, John Johnson wrote: >>> >>>> Shouldn't that be taken care of by

Re: [gentoo-user] fsck check of /usr on a separate partition fails during boot

2018-01-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
t; has to be done by the initramfs. It's too late to do it when control has > been handed over because then /usr is already mounted rw. So what does the dirty check and fsck of / ? I don't have an initramfs, I don't have a separate /usr, I run OpenRC and the kernel command line says where / is for mounting -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] fsck check of /usr on a separate partition fails during boot

2018-01-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
tramfs at all. Not sure exactly what code does this, I assume it's something in OpenRC. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] fsck check of /usr on a separate partition fails during boot

2018-01-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
ce - reboot - use the fsck tool on that system (which is independent of your main system) to fix the broken fs for /usr - reboot as normal Yes, you *could* fiddle with your initramfs to provide a shell and fs tools. How often are you going to use it or test it? As you are not RedHat with paying customers, I'd say "almost never". so rescue disk ftw -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] single core athlon?

2018-01-07 Thread Alan McKinnon
.at.large (a good madscientist) > -- > -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Connman refuses to work

2018-01-07 Thread Alan McKinnon
one with kernel recently) or promote to stable some > version of connman higher than 1.32 upstream. This would completely > have this bug eliminated even before someone other than me hits it. Post your finding to b.g.o. It's a simple matter to limit which versions of iptables can be used with each version of connman. Tracking that, and making changes when they become known, is what being a package maintainer is all about. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] old kernels are installed during the upgrade

2018-01-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 04/01/2018 08:40, Wols Lists wrote: > On 03/01/18 22:09, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 04/01/2018 00:02, Stroller wrote: >>> >>>> On 3 Jan 2018, at 21:55, Wols Lists <antli...@youngman.org.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>> What would be nice, woul

Re: [gentoo-user] old kernels are installed during the upgrade

2018-01-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 04/01/2018 00:41, Stroller wrote: > >> On 3 Jan 2018, at 22:11, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >>>>> $ grep -e source /var/lib/portage/world >>>>> sys-kernel/gentoo-sources:4.9.34 >>>> .

Re: [gentoo-user] old kernels are installed during the upgrade

2018-01-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
ou do want to use versions, I'd recommend using ~ rather than = to >> pick up patch-level updates. > > What do you mean by this exactly, please? =4.9.34 selects that exact version and only that specific version ~4.9.34 select that version and also 4.9.34-r1. There might need to be a * on the end of ~4.9.34, I don;t quite recall. Answer in portage's man pages -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] old kernels are installed during the upgrade

2018-01-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
te the sources? - Re-emerge them. 90 seconds. - Re-compile using existing config. 20 minutes So deleting the sources for the running kernel is a doh! moment. But no biggie, and certainly not cause for changing your routine (all in my own not at all humble opinion, of course) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Running Gentoo in VirtualBox

2017-12-31 Thread Alan McKinnon
ver with n backup or redundancy plans? Virtualization here will not solve your risk or effort exposure. It will increase it. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel upgrade confusion

2017-12-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
ing you left the sources intact after kernel installation (the usual case) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [was: What can cause printer to crop top of page?] /etc/papersize is ignored

2017-12-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
ned colonials. It's like the baseball "world series": no-one outside > north America plays it [random OT factoid] baseball is hugely popular in Japan. Rugby too :-) [2nd random OT factoid] It's the "world series" because the first sponsor was a newspaper "News of the W

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel 4.14.7 no longer switches to VT7

2017-12-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
age on your own! = end quote= If you want to fix the bugs, then by all means soldier on. But if your intent is to have a working system that boots, probably drop using 4.14.x and go back to say 4.12.x ? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [was: What can cause printer to crop top of page?] /etc/papersize is ignored

2017-12-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
oblem. >> >> I've been luckier with printing, but thanks all the same. Who knows >> when I might no longer be so lucky. > > Indeed. > -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] list of miscellaneous FAIL

2017-12-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
Is he the fellow with the weird update script? The one that entertained us so much for so long? Plus a total inability to listen to anyone else? On 16 Dec 2017 12:28 AM, "Dale" <rdalek1...@gmail.com> wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Oh ye gods, not this fellow aga

Re: [gentoo-user] list of miscellaneous FAIL

2017-12-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
head decided to turn it back on thinking 'ooh > security'.  I'm like look: the only thing I care about is that I can log > in. =| > > In file included from src/libpostproc/postprocess.c:538:0: > src/libpostproc/postprocess_template.c: In function ‘dering_MMX2’: > src/libpostproc/postprocess_template.c:1097:5: error: ‘asm’ operand has > impossible constraints > __asm__ volatile( > ^~~ > > -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

2017-12-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
tted a long time ago but he is still here. A good healthy dose of manners like your Mama taught you is in short supply around here right now. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] preparing for profile switch -- major problem

2017-12-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
ave done so for > years, so I don't think I need to maks off anything. I seem now to be > stuck with dev-python/setuptools, so I am now trying to figure out why > I can't emerge that -- it was triggered by the perl-cleaner --all . > How recent is your tree? I had issues with setuptools doing the first run through the 17.0 upgrade. I never looked into it too closely, I used --keep-going, but setuptools seemed to think I had a useable python-3.4 After the first run through emerge -e world, nuking-python-3.4 and re-syncing, setuptols worked normally again. YMMV of course where you are -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

2017-12-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
ually doing stuff > collaborate on things and re-use/share projects as they see fit, for > less time waste and more making GNU/Linux (desktops) great over the > proprietary others. > > Let's say we renamed the package: s/gnome-common/useful-build-stuffs/g No other change, just a package rename. And suddenly this entire thread never ever happens at all. People, you all need to step back, sleep on it, and knock off the knee-jerking. It is 4 useful m4 files, utterly dwarfed by any package you can mention that installs even a single man page. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] preparing for profile switch -- major problem

2017-12-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
t;when all else fails, you can always do it this way" It's good advice of last resort, really -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

2017-12-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
etting anywhere near my >> systems. >> :-p >> > For now, only a few text files - tomorrow - many more. > > You give poettering an inch he will take hundred miles. > Why are you laying this at Poettering's door? To the best of my knowledge, he is not behind udisks{,2} or gnome-common, so why include him here? I'm all in favour of Lennart-bashing, but let's keep the bashing to what he's responsible for. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Is gnome becoming obligatory?

2017-12-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
geLog /usr/share/doc/gnome-common-3.18.0-r1/README All they are is 4 small .m4 files to do useful stuff to let packages build, very much like a few needed includes. They just happen to be generically useful and just happen to be written by someone in the Gnome team, and just happen to have names starting with this sequence of letters: gee enn oh emm ee -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGs change but no filter/strip/replace in ebuild

2017-12-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 09/12/2017 11:37, Adam Carter wrote: > On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 8:10 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckin...@gmail.com > <mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > On 09/12/2017 11:10, Adam Carter wrote: > > # grep -ic flags yasm-1.3.0.ebuild > > 0 &g

Re: [gentoo-user] install ebuilds from funtoo, zentoo distro overlay

2017-12-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
d to /etc/portage/repos.conf/layman.conf. The last time I did this, I simply added the overlay to reps.conf manually, but I'm sure there's a convenience wrapper method in layman somewhere -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGs change but no filter/strip/replace in ebuild

2017-12-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 09/12/2017 11:10, Adam Carter wrote: > # grep -ic flags yasm-1.3.0.ebuild > 0 > > However, emerge --info yasm shows me that only -march -O2 -pipe make it > through. Where is the code that strips the others? > Have you checked yasm's Makefile? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] preparing for profile switch -- major problem

2017-12-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 08/12/2017 21:12, John Covici wrote: > On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 11:42:16 -0500, > Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >> On 07/12/2017 17:46, John Covici wrote: >>> On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 09:37:56 -0500, >>> Alan McKinnon wrote: >>>> >>>> On

Re: [gentoo-user] net-wireless/blueman-2.1_alpha2 blocked by net-wireless/gnome-bluetooth - is it necessary?

2017-12-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
ide. But portage is stuck with nowhere to go if you happen to have package B in world. >> # fgrep -rni blueman /etc/portage >> /etc/portage/package.use/blueman:1:#net-wireless/blueman > But I understand other possible reasons. > > On 12/08/2017 07:37 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote

Re: [gentoo-user] preparing for profile switch -- major problem

2017-12-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 07/12/2017 17:46, John Covici wrote: > On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 09:37:56 -0500, > Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >> On 07/12/2017 07:44, John Covici wrote: >>> Hi. In preparing for the profile switch and the emerge -e world, I >>> have run into a serious problem wi

Re: [gentoo-user] net-wireless/blueman-2.1_alpha2 blocked by net-wireless/gnome-bluetooth - is it necessary?

2017-12-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
It is not unreasonable to conclude that blueman-2.1 intends to add features that conflict with gnome-bluetooth and they can't co-exist. As Vadim said, file collisions are often the underlying cause. You unmasked an alpha package, clearly tagged as "for testing". Nothing add abut the result you got at all. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] preparing for profile switch -- major problem

2017-12-07 Thread Alan McKinnon
not have been updated - musicbrainz and radiator come to mind as examples (solution: harass your app vendor) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Puzzled with duration of chromium emerge under profile 17.0

2017-12-06 Thread Alan McKinnon
muchly. Add to that your i7 is RAM-constrained so you compensate with swap, which is easily 50,000 times slower with sucky latency. When you use a disk as RAM, performance tanks. Well, usually it causes a cascade effect and stuff blows up, but if it completes it will have done so slowly. If you at all can, shove lots more RAM in that i7. These days RAM is cheap and it's always by first performance tweak, then SSD. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] switch to profile 17.0 complete, completely painless

2017-12-06 Thread Alan McKinnon
to trigger a rebuild of half of world), and a recent bug on b.g.o. backed up with I was thinking. It built fine with this in package.use: =dev-qt/qtwebengine-5.9.3 -system-ffmpeg -system-icu Yes, I did do it, favoured bundled libs instead of system ones. But I was also having similar issues with bundled vs system ffmpeg for kodi, and this was the easiest way to get past it and finish a 17.0 migration -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --info

2017-12-06 Thread Alan McKinnon
It reflects what is currently right now in make.conf with zero consideration to last, future, next or previous builds. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] is multi-core really worth it?

2017-12-06 Thread Alan McKinnon
ro, the one with the "toxic personality"). And no-one ever bothered changing that initial decision - a classic case of cargo cult -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: git wants a password to portage sync

2017-12-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
that attackers could use. To find out why ssh does not work, start by looking at the server logs, then examine the client is nothing obvious stands out. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Again, emerge -e @world related questions...

2017-12-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
fore trying emerge -e @world. You must do emerge -e @world first, it tends to fail (always fails?) if emerge world indicates there is something to be built. So just emerge -e world, then do a depclean. The first step is going to take long enough and increase your heating bills so much, that the extra work of a few packages is not worth the stress of worrying about. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] problem emerging new stable python

2017-11-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
T = 3.x. > sys-process/systemd-cron python_single_target_python3_4 > > Those files are 2+ years old on each system > > I have not let the 6430 proceed with the emerge update world. > > Thanks in advance for any help. > allan > Your machines differ between PYTHON_

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mesa build failure

2017-11-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 27/11/2017 21:59, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2017-11-27 21:07, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> mesa has 18 versions in-tree and mesa-17.1.8 is the second oldest. Any >> special reason you are stuck so far back? A package.mask you no longr >> actually need maybe? > >

Re: [gentoo-user] mesa build failure

2017-11-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
ge.mask you no longr actually need maybe? My first action would be to use something more rcent that functions for yu. Alan -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Setting up fetchmail to feed postfix

2017-11-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
go with > ... what was it again, Dale? > it was the init thingy, and before that it was HAL -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] gst-plugins blocker

2017-11-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
rld done? Often times I find a partial update fails whereas all of world succeeds, it checks all the deps and misses none Any mixture of ~arch packages related to pidgin, farstream, gst-plugins? Any of those packages keyworded/masked/unmasked on your system? and finally, to see what might want gst-plugins-bad: equery depends gst-plugins-bad -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] ansible daemon

2017-11-18 Thread Alan McKinnon
ef world? If so, the one thing to always keep in mind is this: Ansible is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike Puppet. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Help...can't decipher emerge oracle...

2017-11-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
e maintainer can't weed out, we report them and log bugs and they get fixed. When the package is stabilized, most of those funny bugs ought to be gone and fixed. Yu mail can be read as proving that this system is working as intended :-) [1] It may or may not be documented to be this way, but it is how the larger community are mostly using it. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] One package needs two other packages, which cannot be installed simultanously?

2017-11-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
re output of which you quoted a part and go through it line by line, figuring out why it's there and what it is telling you. You only have to do this once to get a good handle on it, and you will be very glad you did in the future :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Why do systemd scripts get installed with USE="-systemd"?

2017-11-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
ne complains about /usr/share/doc and the large number of docs there, many of which are larger than all the systemd unit files combined. Or what multilib setups end up doing in /lib It makes engineering sense to install all the various init system's unit and scripts for all packages, then the sysadmi

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux USB security holes.

2017-11-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
he largest single security advance in all of computing history. Everything else is icing. There is nothing in Unix really that is "secure by design", and all von Neumann machines are actually insecure by design -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

2017-11-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 05/11/2017 17:11, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> There are other schedulers out there that succeed where cron fails (eg >> Control-M, chronos, quartz), but those are all large, bulky,

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] AppImage? What's that?

2017-11-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
streamcli is missing, please install it if you want to use > AppStream metadata > appimagetool-x86_64.AppImage is a file, assuming it is an AppImage and should > be unpacked > To be implemented > > unpacking is not implemented yet. Reading only this thread, it looks like an upstream used a horribly incomplete scheme for distribution that isn't even ready for launch. And yet they distribute using it. I would be questioning why I'm using that upstream's project at all, and find something better by an author with more clue. Am I missing something? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FYI: Daily / weekly / monthly cron jobs run twice on DST - non-DST transition

2017-11-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
ure out what to do if 2am happens twice (just don't do it the second time), but not what should happen if 2am was missed for any reason, including DST or poweroff or overeager ntpdate The simplest approach to fixing missed jobs is to have the script itself track what is correct. If it's lock and r

Re: [gentoo-user] Python 3.5

2017-10-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
r it. Maybe the user wants to use some nifty new package or take advantage of new features in python-3.5. This is the thing R0b0t1 was referring to. In that case, the user must do for himself what the profile maintainers do for you. That user also gets to keep all the shiny broken bits whilst figuring out what to set for what -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] A portage nuisance

2017-10-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 28/10/2017 22:39, Anthony Youngman wrote: > On 28/10/17 20:54, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> Portage cannot do that, it is backed by silicon and has no concept of >> meaning. So it has only one real choice - it can do it all or it does >> not try. >> >> I'm not surpr

Re: [gentoo-user] bounces

2017-10-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
Any special reason why you did not post the bounce message complete with > all headers? > > Because if answers are to be had, that is where they will be. > > > -- > Alan McKinnon > alan.mckin...@gmail.com <mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com> > -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] A portage nuisance

2017-10-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
u* know what you want and can do it, *you* are a human with a brain who understands meaning. Portage cannot do that, it is backed by silicon and has no concept of meaning. So it has only one real choice - it can do it all or it does not try. I'm not surprised Zac never tried implementing partial graph resolution for the very simple reason that if you try do it, you have no idea what is going to be built. That is the opposite of what portage must deliver. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] bounces

2017-10-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
Because if answers are to be had, that is where they will be. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] A portage nuisance

2017-10-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
hat any output from portage if it did continue would be vastly more confusing to users than what it does now. The reason you know so much more than portage about these dependencies is that you have a brain and comprehend meaning. Portage has silicon and no clue about meaning of anyything -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Everyone wants util linux...but different versions en mass

2017-10-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
. It looks like portage normal info output, where portage assumes everyone really does want -vvv It' not telling you it needs all those versions, it's telling you why you need util-linux. Then it list (verbosely) all the packages that pull it in, and helpfully adds the full selection criteria for everything direct from the ebuild. Your real blocker is above that verbose stuff in lines having "B" between the [] at the left column -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Being Facebook member: How to anon?

2017-10-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
t; Hi Joost, > > thanks for your help. > > Does "dedicated browser" means "Firefox -NewInstance -P Facebookprofle" or > does it mean "another browser than the installed firefox" ? The latter. Unless you are seriously paranoid and the NSA really is out to get you, then use the former and more. But in that case you have much bigger problems than wondering if the spammers will find you from facebook -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: monit and friends.

2017-10-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 16/10/2017 18:10, Ralph Seichter wrote: > On 16.10.2017 17:50, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> Nagios and I go way back, way way waay back. I now recommend it >> never be used unless there really is no other option. > > Have you tried Icinga 2 (*) yet? It originally

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: monit and friends.

2017-10-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 16/10/2017 17:41, Mick wrote: > On Monday, 16 October 2017 16:12:53 BST Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 16/10/2017 17:08, Ian Zimmerman wrote: >>> On 2017-10-16 14:11, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>>> My needs here are pretty simple: >>>> local watchdog that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: monit and friends.

2017-10-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 16/10/2017 17:08, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2017-10-16 14:11, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> My needs here are pretty simple: >> local watchdog that checks if a program is running and restart it if >> not. If that fails 3 times or so, alert me. >> Maybe a few

Re: [gentoo-user] What's up with larry the cow dot org?

2017-10-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 16/10/2017 14:29, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:14:50 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> I don't think the trustees can argue that claim anymore. Larry hasn't >> been around for years on gentoo web sites (znort is still to be found >> hovering at the bot

Re: [gentoo-user] What's up with larry the cow dot org?

2017-10-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 16/10/2017 14:29, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 10/16/2017 08:14 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >> And it was never Larry the Cow either, gentoo had >> Larry the Gender-Confused Cow :-) >> > > Short for Loretta? > Nah, Larry was always a he -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] What's up with larry the cow dot org?

2017-10-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
ry hasn't been around for years on gentoo web sites (znort is still to be found hovering at the bottom of wiki pages though!). Trademarks go away in law if you don't protect them. And it was never Larry the Cow either, gentoo had Larry the Gender-Confused Cow :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

[gentoo-user] monit and friends.

2017-10-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
for that. And mostly don't even need it's http API either. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] emerge default opts

2017-10-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
t confirms that it's harder than it looks. Checking for > nonexistent flags would be easier than checking for redundant flags > because the latter depends on your package manager configuration. > There is a suitable tool. It's called grep, copious use of. A suitably complex solution for the complexity of the problem! -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sddm-0.16.0 does not work with plain openrc

2017-10-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 15/10/2017 11:02, Michael Palimaka wrote: > On 10/14/2017 05:37 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> Hi >> >> A quick heads-up to anyone who like me uses sddm on a plain openrc box >> with USE="-elogind -systemd" and upgrades to sddm-0.16.0 (recently released)

Re: [gentoo-user] sddm-0.16.0 does not work with plain openrc

2017-10-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 15/10/2017 11:08, Arve Barsnes wrote: > > > On 15 October 2017 at 10:32, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckin...@gmail.com > <mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > On 14/10/2017 11:55, Arve Barsnes wrote: > > On 14 October 2017 at 08:37, Al

Re: [gentoo-user] sddm-0.16.0 does not work with plain openrc

2017-10-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 14/10/2017 11:55, Arve Barsnes wrote: > On 14 October 2017 at 08:37, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckin...@gmail.com > <mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > A quick heads-up to anyone who like me uses sddm on a plain openrc box > with USE="-elogind -syst

[gentoo-user] sddm-0.16.0 does not work with plain openrc

2017-10-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
.. nothing. No sddm, No X-Server. Very confusing, took me a while to solve. Masking sddm-0.16.0 and downgrading back to sddm-0.15.0 restores functionality. More info and the Gentoo bug report: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=633920 -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Slightly OT: FreeBSD migration, what to do with /usr/local

2017-10-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
test staging machines. But I have fleets of spare hypervisors at my disposal, you might not have that. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] eth over usb

2017-10-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
your gentoo system. Almost any other method really just comes down to firing in the dark and hoping you might hit something. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Block multiple IP addresses; iptables or route...reject?

2017-10-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
yourself a spare machine, load pfsense on it (it's an appliance like wrt) and drop the traffic from all offensive addresses. Drop, not reject. You could in theory do the same thing with iptables, but the ruleset will quickly drive you nuts. Perhaps the ipset plugin would help, I've been meaning to check it out for ages and never got around to it. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] ARCH is not set

2017-09-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
etc/portage/make.profile' is > > # ls -l /etc/portage/make.profile > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 59 7  13 2016 /etc/portage/make.profile -> > ../../usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop > > any suggestions? > > > Does /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/a

Re: [gentoo-user] Fail2Ban vs SSHGuard? Comparison? What's the difference?

2017-09-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 16/09/2017 23:25, Stroller wrote: > >> On 16 Sep 2017, at 20:31, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> As far as I'm aware (and could be wrong), sshguard is mostly just sshd >> whereas fail2ban works on anything you can give it consistent l

Re: [gentoo-user] scary (?) situation with binutils

2017-09-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
(and > # switch the compiler / the binutils) ASAP. If you need them for a specific > # (isolated) use case, feel free to unmask them on your system. > =sys-devel/binutils-2.25.1-r1 > > NOTE: The --autounmask-keep-masks option will prevent emerge > from creating package.unmask or ** keyword changes. > > Would you like to add these changes to your config files? [Yes/No] > > I said no since I don't want to unmask, but am not sure how to proceed > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > allan > > -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Fail2Ban vs SSHGuard? Comparison? What's the difference?

2017-09-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
jumps out as a clear winner than you understand easily, then that is the one you use. The question is almost never "does this things do what I want?" as the answer is so often yes. The question is always "d I understand this thing as can drive it easily?" -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] thin-provisioning-tools - but I don't provision anything!!!!!

2017-09-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
without actually using it until you put real data in. So a say 50G volume that is empty will consume no disk space (or maybe a few K in overhead). Sort of like sparse files for entire volumes. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Downgrading glibc prevented by emerge/portage...but why initiated?

2017-09-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
fer As a last resort if the ebuld maintainer screwed up, you can bypass the safety check. Edit ${PORTDIR}/eclass/toolchain-glibc.eclass and comment out the check in toolchain-glibc_pkg_pretend() This is unlikely to destroy the system. Cause a problem - maybe. Destroy it? No. The wording of the safety check is hugely over-dramatic to discourage people from downgrading willy-nilly without thinking -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] wireless software config problem

2017-09-06 Thread Alan McKinnon
sysadmins don't know this is a rather brutal indictement of your sysadmins... In connman one often has delete and re-create connections as it often happens there isn't an Edit button in connman applets! But not in NetworkManager: right click -> Config -> Edit -> Save always does the trick if you click the right buttons in the Edit step -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Lowest common denominator compile

2017-09-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
work is in thinking and planning what you want to achieve. You have to have a very clear picture of the end goal so you can build towards it; this part is exactly like thinking your way through code you intend to write. This part depends on how complex your stuff is and how many exceptions you have to the rule. You're the only one that knows if the result will be worth while, so like all new toys I suppose the best approach is to tinker with it a bit, see if you like it, then decide if you think it worthwhile to proceed. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Lowest common denominator compile

2017-09-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
catering for inevitable differences is trivial to handle. With none of the downsides to copying entire tree structures around (like copying way too many files you didn't intend to. Like /var/run...) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Lowest common denominator compile

2017-09-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
ment of a fleet of machines that may or may not be around when you feel like updating something (so it catches up later), and needs only sshd and python to do it's magic :-) Never mind that ansible was written with servers in mind; in terms of management where you do $STUFF_THAT_NEEDS_MANAGING, there is no difference between servers and laptops. A computer is still just a computer. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Read-only access to a git repo

2017-09-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
s: > > http://gitolite.com/gitolite/ > Thanks, I'll give that a try too. I think gitlolite might even be too heavy - push/pull/nothing permissions as per Simon's links sounds good -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Read-only access to a git repo

2017-09-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 04/09/2017 17:20, Simon Thelen wrote: > On 17-09-04 at 17:05, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I fear I have a severe case of too many trees in the way to see the forest. >> >> I have a git server, it only runs git. >> All the sysadmins have full acces

[gentoo-user] Read-only access to a git repo

2017-09-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
in GitHub and Gitlab... I know, my Google-fu sucks today. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Ruby - 3 versions - seriously????

2017-09-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
", and remove all ruby versions from world and let depclean, revdep-rebuild and emerge world take care of the details. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/08/2017 13:25, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 09:49:58AM -0700, Rich Freeman wrote >> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckin...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Another example is LVM. You or I might really

Re: [gentoo-user] Simplest NTP client for standalone system?

2017-08-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 29/08/2017 18:49, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckin...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Another example is LVM. You or I might really need it (debatable now we >> have ZFS) but the average user has no concept of what it m

Re: [gentoo-user] initial compile time

2017-08-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 29/08/2017 21:30, Dale wrote: > Mick wrote: >> On Tuesday, 29 August 2017 12:08:12 BST Alan McKinnon wrote: >> PS. Did I mention you would have to do all of the above using a dial-up >> modem, >> which would require off-tree modules, because your PC came with a W

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