Re: [gentoo-user] Bad mem, over heat and games
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 JimD wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laptops are NOT meant to run 24/7. They don't have the cooling to survive for more than a few hours. Get some fans or something to save it before you fry something. Oh, great! Now you tell me ; ) For the last week I have been running it from about 9:00 AM until 2:00 AM and then I hibernate it. Configure ACPI to run the proc at the lowest speed unless it is under a load. I leave my laptop on for days at a time..the longest uptime is 8 days so far. My proc speed is always set at 600mhz unless it is under a load and then it jumps to 1.7ghz, it works well.. - -- Jeremy Olexa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Office: EE/CS 1-201 CS/IT Systems Staff University of Minnesota -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEYJ3XFN7pD9kMi/URAnGuAJ923ZMJ92QqDdFFRrnfQISNdjMs2wCfUeIa vrJnQ7XUxgAW921KGYU5wc8= =G0f2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bad mem, over heat and games
Jeremy Olexa wrote: Configure ACPI to run the proc at the lowest speed unless it is under a load. I leave my laptop on for days at a time..the longest uptime is 8 days so far. My proc speed is always set at 600mhz unless it is under a load and then it jumps to 1.7ghz, it works well.. OK. That is how I have had it setup. The Pentium M will go down to 800 MHz and stay there and jump to 1.73 GHz from time to time. I do change the governor to performance when I run VMWare and then drop it back down when I close it. I would think that at 800 MHz, the chip should stay pretty cool. Jim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= There's no place like 127.0.0.1 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= JimD Central FL, USA, Earth, Sol -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bad mem, over heat and games
On Friday 05 May 2006 09:06 pm, JimD wrote: Ok, this is a three part question. I am on vacation and I am using my wife's laptop that used to have winxp and now has Gentoo. Starting today I started to get garbled video output followed by a lock-up. I have been using the laptop as my dev platform and keeping it running 24x7. I am not sure if this is messing it up or not. It seems to stay pretty warm. I bought an extra 1GB of mem for the laptop and put that in today after the first lockup. I ran memtest for about 10 minutes and didn't see any issues. Laptops are NOT meant to run 24/7. They don't have the cooling to survive for more than a few hours. Get some fans or something to save it before you fry something. The laptop has an Intel Extreme graphics chip. Every time before the lockup, the video gets all messed up with vertical and horizontal lines. I just went in the bios and changed the CPU speed to LOW which is now 800Mhz Pentium M instead of 1.73GHz, changed the screen brightness to the lowest. I also switched the X driver from i810 to vesa. So far it seems a little more stable. However, after a recent startx, when X first comes up I see a quick flash of my previous desktop on the screen. It seems like the memory wasn't cleared and the junk left in it is displayed for a second while X is initializing. This Extreme chip uses system memory. Has anyone had issue like this? Couple times. I use a IBM X40 with the i810 drivers. Mine is a Intel Extreme Graphics 2 chip. I hate its guts. It's so non-standard it's like finding a needle in a haystack to get anything to work with it. Right now I have a problem like so: I send the machine into sleep mode. I come out of sleep mode and the screen is off. I restart X with ctrl+alt+backspace and the screen revives. Nothing I know of can restore the screen to activity without killing and then reviving X. The Intel graphics chips are still very new as far as linux support is concerned, at least in my experience. I'd give it some time. I have always been a desktop person so I am not used to these tender laptops. Do these issues sound like they are caused by over heating? Or could it be hardware? This thing is only 2-3 months old. I better not have to send it to Toshiba already. I have a Satellite M45-S2692. Stop running it 24/7! It's not *supposed* to do that! Now for the games part. I can't compile/play some of the bigger games and now I am POed : ) What games? Are there any recommendations for fun games in Gentoo that could run fine with the vesa drive? I am trying to find some game to help pass the time on my vacation at my in-laws ; ) Some guys I eat lunch with have gotten a amazing amount of enjoyment out of a game called KBounce. pgplKLG0AFtDz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Bad mem, over heat and games
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laptops are NOT meant to run 24/7. They don't have the cooling to survive for more than a few hours. Get some fans or something to save it before you fry something. Oh, great! Now you tell me ; ) For the last week I have been running it from about 9:00 AM until 2:00 AM and then I hibernate it. What games? Well, I tried to compile wesnoth and the system could lock up. However now that I am using the single 1GB stick, it has been very stable again. Though I guess I am still using it for too long. I knew I should have lugged my desktop along. Some guys I eat lunch with have gotten a amazing amount of enjoyment out of a game called KBounce. Hmm, I am a Gnome guy, but I will still check it out. Thanks, Jim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= There's no place like 127.0.0.1 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= JimD Central FL, USA, Earth, Sol -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bad mem, over heat and games
On 06/05/06, JimD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 24x7. I am not sure if this is messing it up or not. It seems to stay pretty warm. I bought an extra 1GB of mem for the laptop and put that in today after the first lockup. I ran memtest for about 10 minutes and didn't see any issues. Laptops generally get warm/hot to the touch. What sort of temperatures does it show? memetest should run overnight to get a reliable result. I remember reading either in this list or in the Gentoo forums why memtest is not the best test for memory integrity. There's a script somewhere which will also put your memory controller under some pressure. I'll post back if I can find it. Momentarily getting back the display image that was cached indicates that your swap was not flushed, which is probably more related to the fact that the machine crashed rather than shut down gracefully. If as you say your video card is sharing the system memory and the memory is suspect, then that would explain why you are getting all these video display problems. Does reverting back to the old memory chip improve matters? Some laptops (and desktops for that matter) do not take kindly to mixing and matching memory chips. If your memory upgrade was not sympathetic to the laptop's idiosyncracies the problems you describe are typical. -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bad mem, over heat and games
Mick wrote: Laptops generally get warm/hot to the touch. What sort of temperatures does it show? That is one of the problems with the blasted laptop. Speedstep and sensors are not working. I don't know if it is an Intel thing or a Toshiba thing. I should have gotten an AMD laptop. My AMD64 desktop runs great and everything works, especially the Cool-n-Quite. I have been trying to see if there is a patch for speedstep. The laptop is 3 months old and has a Pentium M - Sonoma: [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 13 model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz stepping: 8 cpu MHz : 1729.164 cache size : 2048 KB fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 2 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe nx est tm2 bogomips: 3466.07 I looked at speedstep-centrino.c in the kernel source and added the Sonoma. However it still does not work and I just get: FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_centrino (/lib/modules/2.6.16-gentoo-r6/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-centrino.ko): No such device memetest should run overnight to get a reliable result. I remember reading either in this list or in the Gentoo forums why memtest is not the best test for memory integrity. There's a script somewhere which will also put your memory controller under some pressure. I'll post back if I can find it. I tried that. Last night memtest got through the first 4 tests. When test 5 came the screen got all garbaled, though the test kept running. I let the laptop cool overnight and this morning ran just test #5 and it completed. I then booted to Gnome and the screen got garbaled. If as you say your video card is sharing the system memory and the memory is suspect, then that would explain why you are getting all these video display problems. Does reverting back to the old memory chip improve matters? Could different memory modules from different manufacturers not work well together, though work well alone? I just took out the 512MB DDR2 that came with the laptop and put just the 1GB DD2 in that I bought and this is the longest it has stayed running since yesterday. -- Regards, Mick Thanks Mick. Jim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= There's no place like 127.0.0.1 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= JimD Central FL, USA, Earth, Sol -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bad mem, over heat and games - update
JimD wrote: Ok, this is a three part question. I am on vacation and I am using my wife's laptop that used to have winxp and now has Gentoo. Starting today I started to get garbled video output followed by a lock-up. I have been using the laptop as my dev platform and keeping it running 24x7. I am not sure if this is messing it up or not. It seems to stay pretty warm. I bought an extra 1GB of mem for the laptop and put that in today after the first lockup. I ran memtest for about 10 minutes and didn't see any issues. I took out the OEM 512MB DDR2 and left in just the 1GB DDR2 and things seem stable now. I was able to run abuse.sdl without any lockups. I have never had two different memory modules give me problems before. I would have liked to have 1.5GB, but oh well. Jim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= There's no place like 127.0.0.1 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= JimD Central FL, USA, Earth, Sol -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bad mem, over heat and games - update
On 5/6/06, JimD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JimD wrote: Ok, this is a three part question. I am on vacation and I am using my wife's laptop that used to have winxp and now has Gentoo. Starting today I started to get garbled video output followed by a lock-up. I have been using the laptop as my dev platform and keeping it running 24x7. I am not sure if this is messing it up or not. It seems to stay pretty warm. I bought an extra 1GB of mem for the laptop and put that in today after the first lockup. I ran memtest for about 10 minutes and didn't see any issues. I took out the OEM 512MB DDR2 and left in just the 1GB DDR2 and things seem stable now. I was able to run abuse.sdl without any lockups. I have never had two different memory modules give me problems before. I would have liked to have 1.5GB, but oh well. One possibility may have to do with the memory timings of the old vs new memory. If the BIOS gives any manual control over the CAS, RAS, etc timings, you might try increasing them. I had to do this with my AMD64 desktop system, even though the memory modules were matched. They just would not run stable at the rated settings... HTH, -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bad mem, over heat and games
On 5/6/06, JimD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried that. Last night memtest got through the first 4 tests. When test 5 came the screen got all garbaled, though the test kept running. I let the laptop cool overnight and this morning ran just test #5 and it completed. I then booted to Gnome and the screen got garbaled. Memtest86 is nearly useless on modern x86 platforms. It can only tell you if specific cells of the memory are faulty, not if there are timing or DMA issues. Try this one instead: http://people.redhat.com/dledford/memtest.html -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bad mem, over heat and games
On 5/6/06, JimD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked at speedstep-centrino.c in the kernel source and added the Sonoma. However it still does not work and I just get: FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_centrino (/lib/modules/2.6.16-gentoo-r6/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-centrino.ko): No such device First, sorry for the duplicate replies. Speedstep should definitely work out-of-the-box here. My 3 mo old Core Duo processor works great with the speedstep-centrino module. And my previous 6mo old laptop on Sonoma also worked great. Maybe you are missing some ACPI options? (ACPI processor is the big one I can think of that you might need.) Speaking of ACPI, you should also enable and load the 'fan' module. Some laptops will _not_ run the CPU fan unless this is built and loaded!!! HTH, -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bad mem, over heat and games - update
Richard Fish wrote: One possibility may have to do with the memory timings of the old vs new memory. If the BIOS gives any manual control over the CAS, RAS, etc timings, you might try increasing them. I had to do this with my AMD64 desktop system, even though the memory modules were matched. They just would not run stable at the rated settings... Toshiba replaced the real BIOS with their own crappy BIOS. The options are very limited to enable/disable NIC, screen brightness, etc. Nothing that would confuse your typical Winders user. Jim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= There's no place like 127.0.0.1 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= JimD Central FL, USA, Earth, Sol -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bad mem, over heat and games
Richard Fish wrote: Speedstep should definitely work out-of-the-box here. My 3 mo old Core Duo processor works great with the speedstep-centrino module. And my previous 6mo old laptop on Sonoma also worked great. Maybe you are missing some ACPI options? (ACPI processor is the big one I can think of that you might need.) Speaking of ACPI, you should also enable and load the 'fan' module. Some laptops will _not_ run the CPU fan unless this is built and loaded!!! Did you use genkernel? I have always built my own kernel and compile the minimum needed. I may have left something out. I will give genkernel a try and build almost everything. Thanks, Jim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= There's no place like 127.0.0.1 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= JimD Central FL, USA, Earth, Sol -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bad mem, over heat and games
On 5/6/06, JimD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you use genkernel? Nope, never have. If you like, I can email you the relevant global, power management, and processor parts of my .config. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bad mem, over heat and games
Richard Fish wrote: Nope, never have. If you like, I can email you the relevant global, power management, and processor parts of my .config. Please send the .config, that could come in handy. I am probably just leaving out something. Thanks for the help, Jim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= There's no place like 127.0.0.1 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= JimD Central FL, USA, Earth, Sol -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Bad mem, over heat and games
Ok, this is a three part question. I am on vacation and I am using my wife's laptop that used to have winxp and now has Gentoo. Starting today I started to get garbled video output followed by a lock-up. I have been using the laptop as my dev platform and keeping it running 24x7. I am not sure if this is messing it up or not. It seems to stay pretty warm. I bought an extra 1GB of mem for the laptop and put that in today after the first lockup. I ran memtest for about 10 minutes and didn't see any issues. The laptop has an Intel Extreme graphics chip. Every time before the lockup, the video gets all messed up with vertical and horizontal lines. I just went in the bios and changed the CPU speed to LOW which is now 800Mhz Pentium M instead of 1.73GHz, changed the screen brightness to the lowest. I also switched the X driver from i810 to vesa. So far it seems a little more stable. However, after a recent startx, when X first comes up I see a quick flash of my previous desktop on the screen. It seems like the memory wasn't cleared and the junk left in it is displayed for a second while X is initializing. This Extreme chip uses system memory. Has anyone had issue like this? I have always been a desktop person so I am not used to these tender laptops. Do these issues sound like they are caused by over heating? Or could it be hardware? This thing is only 2-3 months old. I better not have to send it to Toshiba already. I have a Satellite M45-S2692. Now for the games part. I can't compile/play some of the bigger games and now I am POed : ) Are there any recommendations for fun games in Gentoo that could run fine with the vesa drive? I am trying to find some game to help pass the time on my vacation at my in-laws ; ) Thanks, Jim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= There's no place like 127.0.0.1 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= JimD Central FL, USA, Earth, Sol -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
