Re: [gentoo-user] New installation - not booting

[Michael]

On Wednesday, 6 December 2023 18:47:43 GMT Wols Lists wrote:
> On 06/12/2023 14:56, Peter Humphreey wrote:
> > The idea is that you may want to install another system later, which may
> > want to install its own code in /efi. By all means shrink it if you think
> > that's unlikely and you need the space. Gparted on SysRescCD is ideal for
> > this.
> I had the opposite problem - Windows created a tiny EFI partition and I
> couldn't install linux ...
> 
> Cheers,
> Wol

Looking at a UEFI system which had MSWindows installed I can see the ESP is 
only 96M:

Filesystem   Type  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1vfat   96M   64M   33M  67% /boot

Of this space Microsoft eats up 27M.  Binary distros tend to use less than 5M 
if they use GRUB.  Kernel and initrd images are stored on the OS partition.

Gentoo will be more hungry, if you drop your kernel/initrd images in your ESP;  
e.g. two kernel images with embedded microcode and firmware (no initrd) weigh 
in at 32M.  I usually keep 2-3 gentoo kernels in the ESP with no problem:

# du -s -h /boot/EFI/*
1.9M/boot/EFI/Boot
32M /boot/EFI/Gentoo
27M /boot/EFI/Microsoft
4.3M/boot/EFI/ubuntu

Thankfully storage space is relatively cheap(er) these days and a 1G ESP 
wouldn't be considered excessive.  It would also be handy if you wanted to 
keep a rescue image in there.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New installation - not booting

[Michael]

On Thursday, 7 December 2023 11:45:20 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Wednesday, 6 December 2023 18:47:43 GMT Wols Lists wrote:
> > On 06/12/2023 14:56, Peter Humphreey wrote:
> > > The idea is that you may want to install another system later, which may
> > > want to install its own code in /efi. By all means shrink it if you
> > > think
> > > that's unlikely and you need the space. Gparted on SysRescCD is ideal
> > > for
> > > this.
> > 
> > I had the opposite problem - Windows created a tiny EFI partition and I
> > couldn't install linux ...
> 
> ...and you couldn't enlarge the partition because Windows then wouldn't
> boot!

You can enlarge and even move a Windows partition (boot system partition and/
or the main Windows OS C:\ drive partition), but you MUST either not change 
the partition UUID or edit the BCD file with the new UUID numbers.  Also, it 
would be a good idea not to interfere with the MSR partition.  Its been quite 
a few years since I had to mess up with any of this so I'm not up to date with 
the latest MSWindows boot requirements.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New installation - not booting

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday, 6 December 2023 18:47:43 GMT Wols Lists wrote:
> On 06/12/2023 14:56, Peter Humphreey wrote:
> > The idea is that you may want to install another system later, which may
> > want to install its own code in /efi. By all means shrink it if you think
> > that's unlikely and you need the space. Gparted on SysRescCD is ideal for
> > this.
> I had the opposite problem - Windows created a tiny EFI partition and I
> couldn't install linux ...

...and you couldn't enlarge the partition because Windows then wouldn't boot!

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] New installation - not booting

[Wols Lists]

On 06/12/2023 14:56, Peter Humphreey wrote:

The idea is that you may want to install another system later, which may want
to install its own code in /efi. By all means shrink it if you think that's
unlikely and you need the space. Gparted on SysRescCD is ideal for this.


I had the opposite problem - Windows created a tiny EFI partition and I 
couldn't install linux ...


Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] New installation - not booting

[Peter Humphreey]

On Wednesday, 6 December 2023 14:27:21 GMT the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> On 12/6/23 04:31, Michael wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 5 December 2023 23:53:23 GMT Peter Humphreey wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, 5 December 2023 19:35:11 GMT Michael wrote:
> >>> Your boot partition is /dev/nvme0n1p1 and its mountpoint is /boot.  You
> >>> must create this partition with the appropriate EFI System type (in
> >>> gdisk
> >>> use EF00).
> >>> 
> >>> The /efi directory must be at the top of the /boot partition filesystem,
> >>> accessible via /boot/efi.
> >> 
> >> I've been operating that way for some years, but I have reason to believe
> >> that things have changed. I'll start a new thread tomorrow.
> > 
> > Both Peters are right and my previous answer was wrong for Thelma's
> > usecase, the /boot directory must be on a linux fs which understands
> > symlinks *if vmlinuz is used* - this is because the ESP partition's FAT
> > fs cannot use symlinks.
> > 
> > The /efi directory *must* be on a FAT fs and contain the grubx64.efi, or
> > any other bootloader *.efi image.
> > 
> > If kernels are copied manually and vmlinuz symlinks are not used then a
> > FAT
> > partition with mountpoint on /boot and containing the /boot/efi directory
> > will work as intended.
> 
> Thanks for Peters explanation now it is clear to me how it works.

I think there's some misattribution here: I haven't explained anything in this 
area - indeed I have some questions of my own.

> But I have a question, in Gentoo manual hand book
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks
> the instruction is to create 1 GiB partition for /efi

It's a suggestion, not an instruction; you don't have to follow it.

> Why so large, do others file system need it so much?
> In my case /efi take only 1%
> Filesystem  SizeUsed  Avail   Use%  Mounted on
> /dev/nvme0n1p11022M   280K1022M   1% /efi

The idea is that you may want to install another system later, which may want 
to install its own code in /efi. By all means shrink it if you think that's 
unlikely and you need the space. Gparted on SysRescCD is ideal for this.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] New installation - not booting

[thelma]

On 12/6/23 04:31, Michael wrote:

On Tuesday, 5 December 2023 23:53:23 GMT Peter Humphreey wrote:

On Tuesday, 5 December 2023 19:35:11 GMT Michael wrote:

Your boot partition is /dev/nvme0n1p1 and its mountpoint is /boot.  You
must create this partition with the appropriate EFI System type (in gdisk
use EF00).

The /efi directory must be at the top of the /boot partition filesystem,
accessible via /boot/efi.


I've been operating that way for some years, but I have reason to believe
that things have changed. I'll start a new thread tomorrow.


Both Peters are right and my previous answer was wrong for Thelma's usecase,
the /boot directory must be on a linux fs which understands symlinks *if
vmlinuz is used* - this is because the ESP partition's FAT fs cannot use
symlinks.

The /efi directory *must* be on a FAT fs and contain the grubx64.efi, or any
other bootloader *.efi image.

If kernels are copied manually and vmlinuz symlinks are not used then a FAT
partition with mountpoint on /boot and containing the /boot/efi directory will
work as intended.


Thanks for Peters explanation now it is clear to me how it works.
But I have a question, in Gentoo manual hand book
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks
the instruction is to create 1 GiB partition for /efi

Why so large, do others file system need it so much?
In my case /efi take only 1%
FilesystemSizeUsed  Avail   Use%  Mounted on
/dev/nvme0n1p1  1022M   280K1022M   1% /efi

Re: [gentoo-user] New installation - not booting

[Michael]

On Tuesday, 5 December 2023 23:53:23 GMT Peter Humphreey wrote:
> On Tuesday, 5 December 2023 19:35:11 GMT Michael wrote:
> > Your boot partition is /dev/nvme0n1p1 and its mountpoint is /boot.  You
> > must create this partition with the appropriate EFI System type (in gdisk
> > use EF00).
> > 
> > The /efi directory must be at the top of the /boot partition filesystem,
> > accessible via /boot/efi.
> 
> I've been operating that way for some years, but I have reason to believe
> that things have changed. I'll start a new thread tomorrow.

Both Peters are right and my previous answer was wrong for Thelma's usecase, 
the /boot directory must be on a linux fs which understands symlinks *if 
vmlinuz is used* - this is because the ESP partition's FAT fs cannot use 
symlinks.

The /efi directory *must* be on a FAT fs and contain the grubx64.efi, or any 
other bootloader *.efi image.

If kernels are copied manually and vmlinuz symlinks are not used then a FAT 
partition with mountpoint on /boot and containing the /boot/efi directory will 
work as intended.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New installation - not booting

[Peter Humphreey]

On Tuesday, 5 December 2023 19:35:11 GMT Michael wrote:

> Your boot partition is /dev/nvme0n1p1 and its mountpoint is /boot.  You must
> create this partition with the appropriate EFI System type (in gdisk use
> EF00).
> 
> The /efi directory must be at the top of the /boot partition filesystem,
> accessible via /boot/efi.

I've been operating that way for some years, but I have reason to believe that 
things have changed. I'll start a new thread tomorrow.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] New installation - not booting

[Peter Böhm]

Am Dienstag, 5. Dezember 2023, 21:07:00 CET schrieb the...@sys-concept.com:
> On 12/5/23 12:35, Michael wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 5 December 2023 18:11:14 GMT the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> >> On 12/5/23 10:16, Cara Salter wrote:
> >>> On 12/5/23 12:05, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>  It has been some time since I installed Gentoo.
>  After partitioning, and installing the system after reboot I get kernel
>  selection from grub and hitting enter, I don't see any text scrolling
>  on
>  the screen, and I don't see the login screen.
> 
>  I think I install grub in a wrong way.
>  When I mount "boot" content of /boot:
>  ls /boot/
>  EFI
> >>>
> >>> Is your EFI directory /efi or /boot? If it's /efi, then your mountpoint
> >>> should be in /boot as is in your /etc/fstab.>
> >>>
>  When I unmount "boot" content of /boot:
>  ls /boot/
>  System.map-6.1.57-gentoo  config-6.1.57-gentoo  grub
>  vmlinuz-6.1.57-gentoo
> >>
> >> The /efi directory was empty
> >> I moved /boot to /boot_backup crated /boot directory again
> >> mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 /boot
> >> run:
> >> grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot
> >>
> >> installed kernel by running "make install" by default it install to boot
> >> ( I think). Change fstab from /eft to /boot:
> >> #/dev/nvme0n1p1 /efi  vfat  noauto,noatime  1 2
> >> /dev/nvme0n1p1 /boot  vfat  noauto,noatime  1 2
> >> but now when system boot it can not find any kernel, it just display
> >> "grub"
> >> command on the screen
> >
> > Please read the necessary documentation:
> >
> > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Bootloader
> >
> > Your boot partition is /dev/nvme0n1p1 and its mountpoint is /boot.  You
> > must create this partition with the appropriate EFI System type (in gdisk
> > use EF00).
> >
> > The /efi directory must be at the top of the /boot partition filesystem,
> > accessible via /boot/efi.
>
> I'm kind of confused at this point.
> Where the kernel files should be copied?  /boot or /efi directory
> - System.map-6.1.57-gentoo
> - config-6.1.57-gentoo
> - vmlinuz-6.1.57-gentoo
>
> In fstab I have:
> /dev/nvme0n1p1/efivfatnoauto,noatime
1 2
>
> If /efi is a boot partition I assume the kernel files should be there as
> well; but somehow it doesn't work.
>
> The link you provided instruct user to run:
> grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
>
> When "/dev/nvme0n1p1 is mounted on /efi"
> shouldn't it be:
> grub-mkconfig -o /efi/grub/grub.cfg

No ... anything is alright here:

With grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/efi you will installe the
first part of grub (grubx64.efi) INTO the ESP:
\efi\gentoo\grubx64.efi
<==>
/efi/efi/gentoo/grubx64.efi when you have mounted your ESP to /efi.
(see more with "efibootmgr)

With grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg you configure grub - residing IN /
boot/grub  = THIS is the second part of grub !!

Maybe read:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Pietinger/Tutorials/
Boot_kernel_via_UEFI#Prerequisites_for_an_UEFI_boot

(only this chapter; not the next chapter, because it is a guide for installing
a stub kernel)

Re: [gentoo-user] New installation - not booting

[Peter Böhm]

Am Dienstag, 5. Dezember 2023, 20:35:11 CET schrieb Michael:
> On Tuesday, 5 December 2023 18:11:14 GMT the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> > On 12/5/23 10:16, Cara Salter wrote:
> > > On 12/5/23 12:05, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> > >> It has been some time since I installed Gentoo.
> > >> After partitioning, and installing the system after reboot I get kernel
> > >> selection from grub and hitting enter, I don't see any text scrolling
> > >> on
> > >> the screen, and I don't see the login screen.
> > >>
> > >> I think I install grub in a wrong way.
> > >> When I mount "boot" content of /boot:
> > >> ls /boot/
> > >> EFI
> > >
> > > Is your EFI directory /efi or /boot? If it's /efi, then your mountpoint
> > > should be in /boot as is in your /etc/fstab.>
> > >
> > >> When I unmount "boot" content of /boot:
> > >> ls /boot/
> > >> System.map-6.1.57-gentoo  config-6.1.57-gentoo  grub
> > >> vmlinuz-6.1.57-gentoo
> >
> > The /efi directory was empty
> > I moved /boot to /boot_backup crated /boot directory again
> > mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 /boot
> > run:
> > grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot
> >
> > installed kernel by running "make install" by default it install to boot (
> > I think). Change fstab from /eft to /boot:
> > #/dev/nvme0n1p1 /efi  vfat  noauto,noatime  1 2
> > /dev/nvme0n1p1 /boot  vfat  noauto,noatime  1 2
> > but now when system boot it can not find any kernel, it just display
> > "grub"
> > command on the screen
>
> Please read the necessary documentation:
>
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Bootloader
>
> Your boot partition is /dev/nvme0n1p1 and its mountpoint is /boot.  You must
> create this partition with the appropriate EFI System type (in gdisk use
> EF00).
>
> The /efi directory must be at the top of the /boot partition filesystem,
> accessible via /boot/efi.

That is wrong.

The mountpoint for the ESP should be NOW /efi (therefore you see in our AMD64
handbook a "mkdir /efi").

/boot is the standard directory for the kernel ... and it is NOW an ordinary
directory of the root directory (so yes, the content of it resides in the root
partition). Dont mount anything to /boot. Yes, a "make install" (or genkernel)
installs the kernel into /boot.

If /etc/fstab should be: /dev/nvme0n1p1 /efi  vfat  noauto,noatime  1 2
(IF this is your ESP)
After mounting this ESP to /efi (and no mount on /boot + kernel IN boot) you
should run: grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/efi
AND a grub-mkconfig  ! (so this routine will find your kernel in /boot and add
it to the grub's config file; Yes your grub will be also in /boot/grub.

Re: [gentoo-user] New installation - not booting

[thelma]

On 12/5/23 12:35, Michael wrote:

On Tuesday, 5 December 2023 18:11:14 GMT the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

On 12/5/23 10:16, Cara Salter wrote:

On 12/5/23 12:05, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

It has been some time since I installed Gentoo.
After partitioning, and installing the system after reboot I get kernel
selection from grub and hitting enter, I don't see any text scrolling on
the screen, and I don't see the login screen.

I think I install grub in a wrong way.
When I mount "boot" content of /boot:
ls /boot/
EFI


Is your EFI directory /efi or /boot? If it's /efi, then your mountpoint
should be in /boot as is in your /etc/fstab.>

When I unmount "boot" content of /boot:
ls /boot/
System.map-6.1.57-gentoo  config-6.1.57-gentoo  grub
vmlinuz-6.1.57-gentoo


The /efi directory was empty
I moved /boot to /boot_backup crated /boot directory again
mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 /boot
run:
grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot

installed kernel by running "make install" by default it install to boot ( I
think). Change fstab from /eft to /boot:
#/dev/nvme0n1p1 /efi  vfat  noauto,noatime  1 2
/dev/nvme0n1p1 /boot  vfat  noauto,noatime  1 2
but now when system boot it can not find any kernel, it just display "grub"
command on the screen


Please read the necessary documentation:

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Bootloader

Your boot partition is /dev/nvme0n1p1 and its mountpoint is /boot.  You must
create this partition with the appropriate EFI System type (in gdisk use
EF00).

The /efi directory must be at the top of the /boot partition filesystem,
accessible via /boot/efi.


I'm kind of confused at this point.
Where the kernel files should be copied?  /boot or /efi directory
- System.map-6.1.57-gentoo
- config-6.1.57-gentoo
- vmlinuz-6.1.57-gentoo

In fstab I have:
/dev/nvme0n1p1  /efivfatnoauto,noatime  1 2

If /efi is a boot partition I assume the kernel files should be there as well; 
but somehow it doesn't work.

The link you provided instruct user to run:
grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg

When "/dev/nvme0n1p1 is mounted on /efi"
shouldn't it be:
grub-mkconfig -o /efi/grub/grub.cfg

Re: [gentoo-user] New installation - not booting

[Michael]

On Tuesday, 5 December 2023 18:11:14 GMT the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> On 12/5/23 10:16, Cara Salter wrote:
> > On 12/5/23 12:05, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> >> It has been some time since I installed Gentoo.
> >> After partitioning, and installing the system after reboot I get kernel
> >> selection from grub and hitting enter, I don't see any text scrolling on
> >> the screen, and I don't see the login screen.
> >> 
> >> I think I install grub in a wrong way.
> >> When I mount "boot" content of /boot:
> >> ls /boot/
> >> EFI
> > 
> > Is your EFI directory /efi or /boot? If it's /efi, then your mountpoint
> > should be in /boot as is in your /etc/fstab.> 
> >> When I unmount "boot" content of /boot:
> >> ls /boot/
> >> System.map-6.1.57-gentoo  config-6.1.57-gentoo  grub 
> >> vmlinuz-6.1.57-gentoo
> 
> The /efi directory was empty
> I moved /boot to /boot_backup crated /boot directory again
> mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 /boot
> run:
> grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot
> 
> installed kernel by running "make install" by default it install to boot ( I
> think). Change fstab from /eft to /boot:
> #/dev/nvme0n1p1 /efi  vfat  noauto,noatime  1 2
> /dev/nvme0n1p1 /boot  vfat  noauto,noatime  1 2
> but now when system boot it can not find any kernel, it just display "grub"
> command on the screen

Please read the necessary documentation:

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Bootloader

Your boot partition is /dev/nvme0n1p1 and its mountpoint is /boot.  You must 
create this partition with the appropriate EFI System type (in gdisk use 
EF00).

The /efi directory must be at the top of the /boot partition filesystem, 
accessible via /boot/efi.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New installation - not booting

[thelma]

On 12/5/23 11:11, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

On 12/5/23 10:16, Cara Salter wrote:

On 12/5/23 12:05, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

It has been some time since I installed Gentoo.
After partitioning, and installing the system after reboot I get kernel 
selection from grub and hitting enter,
I don't see any text scrolling on the screen, and I don't see the login screen.



I think I install grub in a wrong way.
When I mount "boot" content of /boot:
ls /boot/
EFI


Is your EFI directory /efi or /boot? If it's /efi, then your mountpoint should 
be in /boot as is in your /etc/fstab.


When I unmount "boot" content of /boot:
ls /boot/
System.map-6.1.57-gentoo  config-6.1.57-gentoo  grub  vmlinuz-6.1.57-gentoo


The /efi directory was empty
I moved /boot to /boot_backup crated /boot directory again
mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 /boot
run:
grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot

installed kernel by running "make install" by default it install to boot ( I 
think).
Change fstab from /eft to /boot:
#/dev/nvme0n1p1 /efi      vfat  noauto,noatime  1 2
/dev/nvme0n1p1 /boot      vfat  noauto,noatime  1 2
but now when system boot it can not find any kernel, it just display "grub" 
command on the screen


When I boot strap the system I tried to run:

grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/efi
Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
grub-install: error: /efi doesn't look like an EFI partition.

Re: [gentoo-user] New installation - not booting

[thelma]

On 12/5/23 10:16, Cara Salter wrote:

On 12/5/23 12:05, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

It has been some time since I installed Gentoo.
After partitioning, and installing the system after reboot I get kernel 
selection from grub and hitting enter,
I don't see any text scrolling on the screen, and I don't see the login screen.



I think I install grub in a wrong way.
When I mount "boot" content of /boot:
ls /boot/
EFI


Is your EFI directory /efi or /boot? If it's /efi, then your mountpoint should 
be in /boot as is in your /etc/fstab.


When I unmount "boot" content of /boot:
ls /boot/
System.map-6.1.57-gentoo  config-6.1.57-gentoo  grub  vmlinuz-6.1.57-gentoo


The /efi directory was empty
I moved /boot to /boot_backup crated /boot directory again
mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 /boot
run:
grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot

installed kernel by running "make install" by default it install to boot ( I 
think).
Change fstab from /eft to /boot:
#/dev/nvme0n1p1 /efi      vfat  noauto,noatime  1 2
/dev/nvme0n1p1 /boot      vfat  noauto,noatime  1 2
but now when system boot it can not find any kernel, it just display "grub" 
command on the screen

Re: [gentoo-user] New installation - not booting

[Peter Böhm]

Am Dienstag, 5. Dezember 2023, 18:05:56 CET schrieb the...@sys-concept.com:
> It has been some time since I installed Gentoo.
> After partitioning, and installing the system after reboot I get kernel
> selection from grub and hitting enter, I don't see any text scrolling on
> the screen, and I don't see the login screen.
>
> Is the text scroll disabled for booting or is my configuration incorrect?
>
> Here are some details:
> Partition:
> /dev/nvme0n1p1 204820991992097152 1G EFI System
> /dev/nvme0n1p2  2099200   104878078388608 4G Linux swap
> /dev/nvme0n1p3 10487808 1953523711 1943035904 926.5G Linux filesystem
>
> cat /etc/fstab
> /dev/nvme0n1p1 /efi  vfat  noauto,noatime  1 2
> /dev/nvme0n1p2 none swap sw 0 0
> /dev/nvme0n1p3  / ext4 noatime 0 1
>
> /etc/default/grub:
> ...
> # Append parameters to the linux kernel command line for non-recovery
> entries #GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
>
> To install grub, I run:
>   grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/efi
>
> I think I install grub in a wrong way.
> When I mount "boot" content of /boot:
> ls /boot/
> EFI
>
> When I unmount "boot" content of /boot:
> ls /boot/
> System.map-6.1.57-gentoo  config-6.1.57-gentoo  grub  vmlinuz-6.1.57-gentoo

Please read the first post of:

https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1165115.html

Kind regards,
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] New installation - not booting

[Cara Salter]

On 12/5/23 12:05, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

It has been some time since I installed Gentoo.
After partitioning, and installing the system after reboot I get kernel 
selection from grub and hitting enter,
I don't see any text scrolling on the screen, and I don't see the login 
screen.



I think I install grub in a wrong way.
When I mount "boot" content of /boot:
ls /boot/
EFI


Is your EFI directory /efi or /boot? If it's /efi, then your mountpoint 
should be in /boot as is in your /etc/fstab.



When I unmount "boot" content of /boot:
ls /boot/
System.map-6.1.57-gentoo  config-6.1.57-gentoo  grub  vmlinuz-6.1.57-gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - ERROR: dev-lang/rust-1.47.0-r2::gentoo failed (compile phase)

[Peter Humphrey]

On Monday, 18 January 2021 07:44:33 GMT bobwxc wrote:

> > I think that might have been the case, I run emerge second time and it
> > compiled just fine. Maybe I will switch to "rust-bin", thanks for
> > suggestion.  Why do we need it, is it part of "system-bootstrap"?
> Rust is a computer language, some software written in Rust need a Rust
> compiler.
> As I known, firefox is one.

Also, here, spidermonkey, cbindgen and librsvg.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - ERROR: dev-lang/rust-1.47.0-r2::gentoo failed (compile phase)

[bobwxc]

在 2021/1/18 上午1:48, the...@sys-concept.com 写道:

On 1/17/21 4:18 AM, Michael wrote:

On Sunday, 17 January 2021 11:04:17 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote:

On Saturday, 16 January 2021 20:59:17 GMT the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

Reinstalling Gentoo on one box (I wiped the root partition, so it is a
clean install) and I'm getting this error

--->8

Have you thought of using rust-bin instead of rust? "emerge -1 rust-bin" It
saves prodigious amounts of compiling here. Of course, you can't do that if
you need to set particular USE flags.

There was a discussion here a month or two ago. Either rust or rust-bin will
satisfy virtual/rust.


Rust uses up tonnes of RAM in compiling, so unless enough RAM and perhaps SWAP
is available, it could fail.  Increasing resources and/or reducing the make
job number should improve the situation.

I think that might have been the case, I run emerge second time and it compiled 
just fine.
Maybe I will switch to "rust-bin", thanks for suggestion.  Why do we need it, is it part 
of "system-bootstrap"?
  
Rust is a computer language, some software written in Rust need a Rust 
compiler.

As I known, firefox is one.

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Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - ERROR: dev-lang/rust-1.47.0-r2::gentoo failed (compile phase)

[thelma]

On 1/17/21 4:18 AM, Michael wrote:
> On Sunday, 17 January 2021 11:04:17 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> On Saturday, 16 January 2021 20:59:17 GMT the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>>> Reinstalling Gentoo on one box (I wiped the root partition, so it is a
>>> clean install) and I'm getting this error
>>
>> --->8
>>
>> Have you thought of using rust-bin instead of rust? "emerge -1 rust-bin" It
>> saves prodigious amounts of compiling here. Of course, you can't do that if
>> you need to set particular USE flags.
>>
>> There was a discussion here a month or two ago. Either rust or rust-bin will
>> satisfy virtual/rust.
> 
> 
> Rust uses up tonnes of RAM in compiling, so unless enough RAM and perhaps 
> SWAP 
> is available, it could fail.  Increasing resources and/or reducing the make 
> job number should improve the situation.

I think that might have been the case, I run emerge second time and it compiled 
just fine.
Maybe I will switch to "rust-bin", thanks for suggestion.  Why do we need it, 
is it part of "system-bootstrap"?
 

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - ERROR: dev-lang/rust-1.47.0-r2::gentoo failed (compile phase)

[bobwxc]

在 2021/1/17 下午7:18, Michael 写道:

On Sunday, 17 January 2021 11:04:17 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote:

On Saturday, 16 January 2021 20:59:17 GMT the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

Reinstalling Gentoo on one box (I wiped the root partition, so it is a
clean install) and I'm getting this error

--->8

Have you thought of using rust-bin instead of rust? "emerge -1 rust-bin" It
saves prodigious amounts of compiling here. Of course, you can't do that if
you need to set particular USE flags.

There was a discussion here a month or two ago. Either rust or rust-bin will
satisfy virtual/rust.


Rust uses up tonnes of RAM in compiling, so unless enough RAM and perhaps SWAP
is available, it could fail.  Increasing resources and/or reducing the make
job number should improve the situation.

Agree with above, please try flag like "-j1" or give more swap space.
And compile Rust really take a while, made my old computer scream for 
almost a day.

It is really a bad experience to use a poor computer to do what a heavy job.

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Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - ERROR: dev-lang/rust-1.47.0-r2::gentoo failed (compile phase)

[Michael]

On Sunday, 17 January 2021 11:04:17 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Saturday, 16 January 2021 20:59:17 GMT the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> > Reinstalling Gentoo on one box (I wiped the root partition, so it is a
> > clean install) and I'm getting this error
> 
> --->8
> 
> Have you thought of using rust-bin instead of rust? "emerge -1 rust-bin" It
> saves prodigious amounts of compiling here. Of course, you can't do that if
> you need to set particular USE flags.
> 
> There was a discussion here a month or two ago. Either rust or rust-bin will
> satisfy virtual/rust.


Rust uses up tonnes of RAM in compiling, so unless enough RAM and perhaps SWAP 
is available, it could fail.  Increasing resources and/or reducing the make 
job number should improve the situation.

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Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - ERROR: dev-lang/rust-1.47.0-r2::gentoo failed (compile phase)

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday, 16 January 2021 20:59:17 GMT the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> Reinstalling Gentoo on one box (I wiped the root partition, so it is a clean
> install) and I'm getting this error

--->8

Have you thought of using rust-bin instead of rust? "emerge -1 rust-bin" It 
saves prodigious amounts of compiling here. Of course, you can't do that if 
you need to set particular USE flags.

There was a discussion here a month or two ago. Either rust or rust-bin will 
satisfy virtual/rust.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Floyd Anderson]

Hi Dale,

lets have a break. I lose the thread and driving nearer the ditch than 
the track. I think the main things were said. All following would only 
drift away.


Sorry for the noise.

--
floyd

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Dale]

Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Floyd Anderson  wrote:
>> That’s why Gentoo is often regarded as the freedom of choice.
> This includes the freedom to shoot yourself in the foot.
>
> I suggest that new users consider going with the defaults except when
> they have a reason not to.
>
> Sure, we can all pass around our make.conf files, and people can just
> blindly copy what we're using.  In a sense this is also stick with the
> "defaults" - just somebody else's choice of defaults.
>
> The difference is that if you don't do this then you're getting the
> defaults the maintainer thought best, and the settings that get the
> widest extent of testing.  If you run into a problem, you're probably
> close to the upstream configuration, which means both upstream and the
> maintainer are probably going to be willing to lend you a hand.
> You're also closer to the settings used by other distros, which means
> their own documentation will help you.
>
> Stick with the profile defaults to start.  By all means tweak
> something if you have a reason to, but make these conscious informed
> decisions.  Keep things simple.
>
> When you start out with a very complex USE configuration on a distro
> you're new to, then you're going to struggle a lot to deal with the
> resulting issues.
>
> In terms of profiles themselves, hardened isn't the friendliest place
> to start.  It tends to get used in server environments, and I suspect
> very few run a desktop environment in a hardened environment.  I'd
> suggest chatting with others who run hardened to understand its
> limitations.  I've been running Gentoo for a very long time now and I
> wouldn't expect to do a hardened desktop install and get through it
> without a bit of troubleshooting.
>

Shooting oneself in the foot could be that USE="-* 
option.  Talk about being brave.  lol 

As a somewhat seasoned Gentoo user, when I built this new rig, I had to
add USE flags slowly.  As a test, I tried copying my USE flags over from
the old install.  When I did a emerge -uvaDN system, it puked all over
my keyboard.  I recall having blockers that emerge couldn't resolve. 
There were some other issues as well.  I went back to defaults and added
them slowly.  That worked well. 

I've read about hardened.  I've always wanted to play with it but I'd
want a separate puter to play with that on.  I've also wondered if it
would even benefit me at all.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Dale]

Floyd Anderson wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Feb 05:05:56 -0600
> Dale  wrote:
>> The point of my post was not for a specific flag.  I just picked a
>> flag that has been around for a long time and pretty much everyone
>> recognizes what it is for.
>>
>> […]
>>
>> I might add, there are flags that we can't change.  Those are set by
>> upstream or the devs.  My post wasn't about that either.  It was all
>> about managing options that we can change..
>
> I think there is an unfortunate misunderstanding and I may have to be
> more clear. I also just picked the threads-flag example as what it is,
> an example — not as a specific advise. My intention was to demonstrate
> my thoughts when I read the post from the dev list.
>
> Basically I handle my USE flags similar as you do and had described in
> your former post. What I always want goes to make.conf (trying to keep
> it according to less is more) and specific flags lives in package.use.
>
> When I read the post from Rich, I remember that I have the mentioned
> ‘threads’ flag globally set. Some time ago I put it in, it works and
> nearly no thoughts were wasted since then. I didn’t care about:
>  • pulling in heavyweight dependencies
>  • package maintainers set a flag off by default for stability
>  • ...
>
> in that moment. That was what I mean with rethinking might be worth
> before *I* set a flag globally. Hope it’s clearer now ;-)
>

I read your post a couple times, I could see two different ways to read
it.  I sort of addressed them both.  One way of me seeing it was based
on some other replies.  I see the way you meant it now tho.  That's the
thing about text, it's hard to put emotion etc into it.  ;-)  Unless it
is like Duncan's.  His posts are long but there isn't much room for
reading something the wrong way either.  lol 

When I did my last install for this new puter, I did mine this way.  I
do the base install and rebooted.  I poked around to make sure things
were working right and stable, network for sure.  Then I synced and
looked at the output, I always use the -a option.  What I looked for,
USE flags and what was on, what was off and what would be changing. 
Some USE flags are obvious but some require one to do a euse -i  to see what it does and sometimes a google search.  If I see
something that is not what I want, I then decide if it should be global
or for a specific set of packages and put it where it makes sense.  I
might add, that is how I do with my updates from then on.  I sync,
emerge -uvaDN world and look at what is changing and such.  If I don't
like a setting, or something is new, go set it like I want it.  How one
does that is debatable for sire.  Different tools, methods and thought
processes lead to different ways. 


>> You have choices on how to do things, pick the one that works and
>> does what you need.  It's a strong point for Gentoo.  I think USE
>> flags are one of the biggest features of Gentoo. It's not like we
>> have a fancy installer that can read our minds.  ROFL
>>
>> It is interesting to see and read how others do this tho.  It's amazing
>> sometimes how many different ways the same thing can be managed and
>> still work.  I'm not sure any other distro can do that, not that I used
>> others in a long time.
>
> That’s why Gentoo is often regarded as the freedom of choice. I love
> it to think for myself and not only consume what other OSes provides
> or not provides. Therefore (besides the USE flag feature) and because
> almost everything we feed our machines with, is plain text, we have
> the ability for creating ebuilds, overlays, patches. That’s so
> exciting even it may be hard sometimes, to learn all those stuff and
> stay up to date with it.
>


I admit, I leave most of it to the devs.  I'm not a coder or even a
script kid.  Heck, setting up a cron job requires google and some
reading.  I started using Gentoo back in 2003 and the old 1.4 days.  It
was interesting back then for sure.  Heck, portage and friends has come
a very long ways since then.  Blockers and such handle what used to be
huge problems when upgrading.  Add in that age is making other things I
have to do take longer, not to mention health issues, I just don't have
time to dig to deep. 

Gentoo certainly has choice.  If one really wants to control every
single thing there is, USE="-* " will get a person
there in a hurry.  If one doesn't want control, just something that
works, pick a good profile and go for it.  For some, that is all that is
needed. 

Gentoo has hiccups at times and some things worry me but generally, good
options are available. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Floyd Anderson]

On Sun, 05 Feb 12:00:15 -0500
Rich Freeman  wrote:

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Floyd Anderson  wrote:


That’s why Gentoo is often regarded as the freedom of choice.


This includes the freedom to shoot yourself in the foot.


He, nice allegory. Oh, and yes that’s what I like — you can but it 
doesn’t have to be inevitable done. Sometimes it’s necessary to 
hopefully learn something. Kids may believing you only *after* they 
touched the hot plate. Long ago, I couldn’t believe a Linux is able to 
destroy itself — until a mentor shows me.



I suggest that new users consider going with the defaults except when
they have a reason not to.

Sure, we can all pass around our make.conf files, and people can just
blindly copy what we're using.  In a sense this is also stick with the
"defaults" - just somebody else's choice of defaults.


That remember me when I start using SciTE with Lua, Vim and Mutt. I saw 
myself in front of tons of documentations and user experiences and I was 
unable to wait for results. Copying just any stuff from a public .config 
file repo without any clue what those things really do isn’t meaningful. 
Someone would still stay at the point as before and when things gets 
broken, frustration arise.



The difference is that if you don't do this then you're getting the
defaults the maintainer thought best, and the settings that get the
widest extent of testing.  If you run into a problem, you're probably
close to the upstream configuration, which means both upstream and the
maintainer are probably going to be willing to lend you a hand.
You're also closer to the settings used by other distros, which means
their own documentation will help you.

Stick with the profile defaults to start.  By all means tweak
something if you have a reason to, but make these conscious informed
decisions.  Keep things simple.


This was my intention (as the result of earlier experiences) when Gentoo 
comes into my life over two years ago. The only thing that bothers me 
down to the present day, I cannot get hardware acceleration to work with 
my GPU (Radeon HD 7870 XT). I’ve tested a lot USE flags, switched from 
stable to bleeding edge and back. Now run on testing (mixed with a 
stable toolchain and able to get free from a broken system by an 
intermediate chroot) and hoping mesa from Git, Open Source AMDGPU and 
kernel >=4.9 have pity with me someday.



When you start out with a very complex USE configuration on a distro
you're new to, then you're going to struggle a lot to deal with the
resulting issues.

In terms of profiles themselves, hardened isn't the friendliest place
to start.  It tends to get used in server environments, and I suspect
very few run a desktop environment in a hardened environment.  I'd
suggest chatting with others who run hardened to understand its
limitations.  I've been running Gentoo for a very long time now and I
wouldn't expect to do a hardened desktop install and get through it
without a bit of troubleshooting.


Well, this hardened stuff looks interesting to me — at least when I 
protect my browser profile — but I can wait opening those magic box.



Thank you for your suggestions and the kindly response. It should not be 
locked up in a subthread. ;-)


--
Best regards,
Floyd Anderson

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 12:07:10 -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:

> I'll be honest and admit that I probably should give my own USE flags
> another look.  Most of them probably pre-date the existance of USE
> defaults when a lot more tweaking tended to be needed to get things
> working right.

I recently transferred my hard drives to a new box but added an NVMe
drive for the OS. I tried leaving out most of my previous USE flags, nly
adding them when I saw the need. I surprised by how many of them I didn't
need or want any more


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Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 09:53:42 -0700, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

> Thank you all, yes good advice. I have removed most of the entries from
> the "USE=" what is left (and I'm not even sure I need them).
> 
> USE="-qt4 -kde -gnome -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk alsa cups apache2 ssl
> udev tiff png usb scanner cgi nptl type1 -systemd"

kde qt? and gnome are unset in the default and desktop profiles. arts
hasn't been around for many years, it was part of KDE3.

> I'll let the portage handle it, I use XFCE for desktop.

Then set the standard desktop profile.


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Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Rich Freeman]

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:53 AM,   wrote:
>
> Thank you all, yes good advice. I have removed most of the entries from
> the "USE=" what is left (and I'm not even sure I need them).

This is a good way to get started.  Get your system working, then
start playing with it.  At least you can browse the web while things
build then.  :)

>
> USE="... -berkdb

I'd question this at a global level.  I'm not saying it will
definitely cause issues, but the selection of a storage backend seems
like the sort of thing you'd want to make per-package and not
globally, unless you have a specific aversion to berkdb.  If you turn
this off on some packages they might fail to run until you set up a
mysql database or something for them, and that is probably overkill in
some cases.  The maintainer's default choice may be more appropriate,
again unless you have a specific concern with it.

This is the sort of setting that can make perfect sense in package.use.

I'll be honest and admit that I probably should give my own USE flags
another look.  Most of them probably pre-date the existance of USE
defaults when a lot more tweaking tended to be needed to get things
working right.

Believe it or not, this is probably the easiest it has ever been for
somebody new to Gentoo.  :)  Back when I installed we were still
recommending doing stage1 installs, and that was on far inferior
hardward.  Just imagine sitting in a chroot for a day or two before
you can even get your box to boot.  Oh, and no livecds either, if you
didn't have another computer handy (which was more likely to be the
case back then - no smartphones/etc), you made do with links.  I think
we at least made its home page the handbook.

-- 
Rich

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Rich Freeman]

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Floyd Anderson  wrote:
>
> That’s why Gentoo is often regarded as the freedom of choice.

This includes the freedom to shoot yourself in the foot.

I suggest that new users consider going with the defaults except when
they have a reason not to.

Sure, we can all pass around our make.conf files, and people can just
blindly copy what we're using.  In a sense this is also stick with the
"defaults" - just somebody else's choice of defaults.

The difference is that if you don't do this then you're getting the
defaults the maintainer thought best, and the settings that get the
widest extent of testing.  If you run into a problem, you're probably
close to the upstream configuration, which means both upstream and the
maintainer are probably going to be willing to lend you a hand.
You're also closer to the settings used by other distros, which means
their own documentation will help you.

Stick with the profile defaults to start.  By all means tweak
something if you have a reason to, but make these conscious informed
decisions.  Keep things simple.

When you start out with a very complex USE configuration on a distro
you're new to, then you're going to struggle a lot to deal with the
resulting issues.

In terms of profiles themselves, hardened isn't the friendliest place
to start.  It tends to get used in server environments, and I suspect
very few run a desktop environment in a hardened environment.  I'd
suggest chatting with others who run hardened to understand its
limitations.  I've been running Gentoo for a very long time now and I
wouldn't expect to do a hardened desktop install and get through it
without a bit of troubleshooting.

-- 
Rich

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[thelma]

On 02/05/2017 02:23 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Saturday, February 4, 2017 11:36:56 PM CET the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> 
> (longer reply)
> 
>>
>> I change in make.conf to:
>> USE="bindist"
>>
>> and I was able to install basic system correctly, network is working and I
>> can proceed with castomazation but my next question: What is the correct
>> way to configure "USE=" in make.conf?
>>
>> When I use a below: (copied from my other systems):
>>
>> USE="-qt4 -kde -gnome -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk alsa cups apache2 ssl
>> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev tiff png usb scanner gimp
>> gimpprint cgi fam nptl type1 opengl tetexspell consolkit dbus pam policykit
>> jpeg lock session startup-notification thunar cleartype corefonts -systemd
>> -DOPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEATS abi_x86_32"
>>
>> PS. I think "dbus" is no longer used, isn't it?
> 
> I have dbus installed, so the package still exists. If it is a valid 
> USE-flag, 
> I don't know.
> 
> In your list, I see a few I have never used. Most of them, I would personally 
> only set for those packages where I want them to apply, but that is a 
> personal 
> decision.
> 
> My main concerns with your list are:
> # -DOPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEATS
> This seems more like something that should be added as a compiler-flag for 1 
> package or something in an apache config file.
> 
> # abi_x86_32
> I am assuming you want packages to also be build for 32-bit.
> If that is the case, I would set the following in your make.conf file:
> # ABI_X86="64 32"
> and remove this entry from your USE-list.
> 
> # consolkit
> I think this should be "consolekit" as that one does exist.
> 
>> I get a log of blockers and my file "package.use" starting to look like
>> trash can with entries like:
>>
>> # required by x11-libs/libxcb-1.12::gentoo
>> # required by x11-apps/xwininfo-1.1.3::gentoo
>> # required by x11-misc/xscreensaver-5.36::gentoo
>> # required by xfce-base/xfce4-session-4.12.1-r1::gentoo[xscreensaver]
>> # required by xfce-base/xfce4-meta-4.12::gentoo
>> # required by xfce-base/xfce4-meta (argument)
>>
>>> =x11-libs/libXau-1.0.8 abi_x86_32
> 
> This is related to the above comment about your abi... useflag.
> 
>> # required by x11-libs/libxcb-1.12::gentoo
>> # required by x11-apps/xwininfo-1.1.3::gentoo
>> # required by x11-misc/xscreensaver-5.36::gentoo
>> # required by xfce-base/xfce4-session-4.12.1-r1::gentoo[xscreensaver]
>> # required by xfce-base/xfce4-meta-4.12::gentoo
>> # required by xfce-base/xfce4-meta (argument)
>>
>>> =dev-libs/libpthread-stubs-0.3-r1 abi_x86_32
> 
> Same
> 
>> If I try to use my USE="-qt4 ... etc" and try to emerge:
>> emerge --ask xfce-base/xfce4-meta
>>
>> I get tones of blockers and problem solving eg.:
>>
>> [blocks B  ] dev-util/pkgconf[pkg-config]
>> ("dev-util/pkgconf[pkg-config]" is blocking dev-util/pkgconfig-0.28-r2)
>> [blocks B  ] media-libs/libjpeg-turbo:0 ("media-libs/libjpeg-turbo:0"
>> is blocking media-libs/jpeg-8d-r1) [blocks B  ] media-libs/jpeg:0
>> ("media-libs/jpeg:0" is blocking media-libs/libjpeg-turbo-1.5.0) [blocks B 
>> ] sys-fs/udev ("sys-fs/udev" is blocking sys-fs/eudev-3.1.5) [blocks B 
>> ] dev-util/pkgconfig ("dev-util/pkgconfig" is blocking
>> dev-util/pkgconf-0.9.12)
>>
>>  * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
>>  * installed at the same time on the same system.
>>
>>   (dev-util/pkgconf-0.9.12:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled
>> in by
>> >=dev-util/pkgconf-0.9.3-r1[pkg-config,abi_x86_32(-)?,abi_x86_64(-)?,abi
>> >_x86_x32(-)?,abi_mips_n32(-)?,abi_mips_n64(-)?,abi_mips_o32(-)?,abi_ppc
>> >_32(-)?,abi_ppc_64(-)?,abi_s390_32(-)?,abi_s390_64(-)?]
>> >(>=dev-util/pkgconf-0.9.3-r1[pkg-config,abi_x86_32(-),abi_x86_64(-)])
>> >required by (virtual/pkgconfig-0-r1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for
>> >merge)
>>   (sys-fs/eudev-3.1.5:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
>>
>> >=sys-fs/eudev-1.3 required by (virtual/udev-215:0/0::gentoo, installed)
>> >=sys-fs/eudev-1.3:0/0[abi_x86_32(-)?,abi_x86_64(-)?,abi_x86_x32(-)?,abi
>> >_mips_n32(-)?,abi_mips_n64(-)?,abi_mips_o32(-)?,abi_ppc_32(-)?,abi_ppc_
>> >64(-)?,abi_s390_32(-)?,abi_s390_64(-)?,static-libs?]
>> >(>=sys-fs/eudev-1.3:0/0[abi_x86_32(-),abi_x86_64(-)]) required by
>> >(virtual/libudev-215-r1:0/1::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>>   (sys-fs/udev-225-r1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
>>
>> >=sys-fs/udev-208-r1:0/0[abi_x86_32(-)?,abi_x86_64(-)?,abi_x86_x32(-)?,a
>> >bi_mips_n32(-)?,abi_mips_n64(-)?,abi_mips_o32(-)?,abi_ppc_32(-)?,abi_pp
>> >c_64(-)?,abi_s390_32(-)?,abi_s390_64(-)?,static-libs?]
>> >(>=sys-fs/udev-208-r1:0/0[abi_x86_32(-),abi_x86_64(-)]) required by
>> >(virtual/libudev-215-r1:0/1::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>> >=sys-fs/udev-208-r1 required by (virtual/udev-215:0/0::gentoo,
>> >installed)
>>   (dev-util/pkgconfig-0.28-r2:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Floyd Anderson]

On Sun, 05 Feb 05:05:56 -0600
Dale  wrote:
The point of my post was not for a specific flag.  I just picked a flag 
that has been around for a long time and pretty much everyone 
recognizes what it is for.


[…]

I might add, there are flags that we can't change.  Those are set by
upstream or the devs.  My post wasn't about that either.  It was all
about managing options that we can change..


I think there is an unfortunate misunderstanding and I may have to be 
more clear. I also just picked the threads-flag example as what it is, 
an example — not as a specific advise. My intention was to demonstrate 
my thoughts when I read the post from the dev list.


Basically I handle my USE flags similar as you do and had described in 
your former post. What I always want goes to make.conf (trying to keep 
it according to less is more) and specific flags lives in package.use.


When I read the post from Rich, I remember that I have the mentioned 
‘threads’ flag globally set. Some time ago I put it in, it works and 
nearly no thoughts were wasted since then. I didn’t care about:

 • pulling in heavyweight dependencies
 • package maintainers set a flag off by default for stability
 • ...

in that moment. That was what I mean with rethinking might be worth 
before *I* set a flag globally. Hope it’s clearer now ;-)


You have choices on how to do things, pick the one that works and does 
what you need.  It's a strong point for Gentoo.  I think USE flags are 
one of the biggest features of Gentoo. It's not like we have a fancy 
installer that can read our minds.  ROFL


It is interesting to see and read how others do this tho.  It's amazing
sometimes how many different ways the same thing can be managed and
still work.  I'm not sure any other distro can do that, not that I used
others in a long time.


That’s why Gentoo is often regarded as the freedom of choice. I love it 
to think for myself and not only consume what other OSes provides or not 
provides. Therefore (besides the USE flag feature) and because almost 
everything we feed our machines with, is plain text, we have the ability 
for creating ebuilds, overlays, patches. That’s so exciting even it may 
be hard sometimes, to learn all those stuff and stay up to date with it.


--
Best regards,
Floyd Anderson

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Dale]

Floyd Anderson wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Feb 01:44:30 -0600
> Dale  wrote:
>> the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I change in make.conf to:
>>> USE="bindist"
>>>
>>> and I was able to install basic system correctly, network is working
>>> and I can proceed with castomazation but
>>> my next question: What is the correct way to configure "USE=" in
>>> make.conf?
>>>
>>> When I use a below: (copied from my other systems):
>>>
>>> USE="-qt4 -kde -gnome -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk alsa cups apache2 ssl
>>> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev tiff png usb scanner
>>> gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl type1 opengl tetexspell consolkit dbus
>>> pam policykit jpeg lock session startup-notification thunar
>>> cleartype corefonts -systemd -DOPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEATS abi_x86_32"
>>>
>>> PS. I think "dbus" is no longer used, isn't it?
>>>  <<< SNIP >>>
>>> -- 
>>> Thelma
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Ask anyone, I'm different on the way I do USE flags, or I feel that
>> way.  If I have a flag that I want enabled/disabled on basically
>> everything that uses that flag, it goes in make.conf.  If I have a USE
>> flag that I may need for just a few packages, or a single package, I put
>> it in package.use.  As a example.  The kde USE flag.  Since I run mostly
>> KDE and want any packages I build to work with KDE, it goes in
>> make.conf.  To go with the other direction on this.  qt4 and qt5.  Some
>> packages work or look better with one or the other.  For those
>> exceptions, I use package.use to set those.  Since emerge reads
>> package.use last, those setting apply.
>>
>> Basically, make.conf is the rule for USE flags.  Package.use is for
>> exceptions to that rule.
>>
>> As usual, do what makes the most sense to you.  I post this just in case
>> this way may make sense, not that much of anything I do makes sense to
>> anyone else.  ;-)
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>
> Recently I read an interesting post [1] (especially the middle
> paragraph about the USE-flag ‘threads’ example). It let me rethink how
> I handle USE (which is even similar your way) and it might be worth to
> consider why a package maintainer defaults a flag on/off.
> [1] 
> 
>
>


I'm subscribed there and recall reading that.  The point of my post was
not for a specific flag.  I just picked a flag that has been around for
a long time and pretty much everyone recognizes what it is for.  As I
mentioned in another post, I could have picked many other flags.  X,
gnome, cups, or any number of others.  The biggest point, there are many
ways to handle USE flags.  Pick what works for you and more importantly,
makes sense to you.  Anytime us Gentoo users are
installing/upgrading/adding packages, we have to watch for changes or
even new flags that may not be set the way we want.  It's up to us on
how to manage it.  I posted my way, others can post their way.  The OP
can pick whichever makes the most sense to them. 

I might add, there are flags that we can't change.  Those are set by
upstream or the devs.  My post wasn't about that either.  It was all
about managing options that we can change.. 

Rich has some good points at times.  I try to read his posts unless it
is something that doesn't interest me.  I think he also supports the
point I was making in my post.  You have choices on how to do things,
pick the one that works and does what you need.  It's a strong point for
Gentoo.  I think USE flags are one of the biggest features of Gentoo. 
It's not like we have a fancy installer that can read our minds.  ROFL 

It is interesting to see and read how others do this tho.  It's amazing
sometimes how many different ways the same thing can be managed and
still work.  I'm not sure any other distro can do that, not that I used
others in a long time. 

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 23:36:56 -0700, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

> my next question: What is the correct way to configure "USE=" in
> make.conf?
> 
> When I use a below: (copied from my other systems):
> 
> USE="-qt4 -kde -gnome -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk alsa cups apache2 ssl
> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev tiff png usb scanner gimp
> gimpprint cgi fam nptl type1 opengl tetexspell consolkit dbus pam
> policykit jpeg lock session startup-notification thunar cleartype
> corefonts -systemd -DOPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEATS abi_x86_32"

Copying an old USE setting is not the best idea. USE flags, profiles and
your needs change over time and /etc/portage gathers a lot of cruft. Now
you have the system working with the base profile, switch to a profile
that suits your needs and let portage rebuild @world. Then make small
changes to USE flags as needed.

I recently ported a system to new hardware and did the base install this
way. I found that I ended up with a system that worked just the same but
with far less in make.conf and package.use.

With USE flags, small changes are always best. A mass import of a USE
line like that above is likely to cause circular dependencies and other
problems.

How you manage the split between make.conf and package.use is up to you.
If I want a flag to apply globally, I put it in mzke.conf, otherwise it
goes in package.use, in a file names after the software requiring it
(which is not the same as the package name). If I find I have set the
same flag several times in package.use, I consider moving it to make.conf.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

A friend of mine sent me a postcard with a satellite photo of the
entire planet on it, and on the back he wrote, "Wish you were here."


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Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Floyd Anderson]

On Sun, 05 Feb 01:44:30 -0600
Dale  wrote:

the...@sys-concept.com wrote:


I change in make.conf to:
USE="bindist"

and I was able to install basic system correctly, network is working and I can 
proceed with castomazation but
my next question: What is the correct way to configure "USE=" in make.conf?

When I use a below: (copied from my other systems):

USE="-qt4 -kde -gnome -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk alsa cups apache2 ssl foomaticdb 
truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev tiff png usb scanner gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl type1 
opengl tetexspell consolkit dbus pam policykit jpeg lock session startup-notification 
thunar cleartype corefonts -systemd -DOPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEATS abi_x86_32"

PS. I think "dbus" is no longer used, isn't it?
 <<< SNIP >>>
--
Thelma





Ask anyone, I'm different on the way I do USE flags, or I feel that
way.  If I have a flag that I want enabled/disabled on basically
everything that uses that flag, it goes in make.conf.  If I have a USE
flag that I may need for just a few packages, or a single package, I put
it in package.use.  As a example.  The kde USE flag.  Since I run mostly
KDE and want any packages I build to work with KDE, it goes in
make.conf.  To go with the other direction on this.  qt4 and qt5.  Some
packages work or look better with one or the other.  For those
exceptions, I use package.use to set those.  Since emerge reads
package.use last, those setting apply.

Basically, make.conf is the rule for USE flags.  Package.use is for
exceptions to that rule.

As usual, do what makes the most sense to you.  I post this just in case
this way may make sense, not that much of anything I do makes sense to
anyone else.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-)



Recently I read an interesting post [1] (especially the middle paragraph 
about the USE-flag ‘threads’ example). It let me rethink how I handle 
USE (which is even similar your way) and it might be worth to consider 
why a package maintainer defaults a flag on/off. 


[1] 


--
Best regards,
Floyd Anderson

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Dale]

Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Sunday 05 Feb 2017 01:44:30 Dale wrote:
>
>> Ask anyone, I'm different on the way I do USE flags, or I feel that
>> way.  If I have a flag that I want enabled/disabled on basically
>> everything that uses that flag, it goes in make.conf.  If I have a USE
>> flag that I may need for just a few packages, or a single package, I put
>> it in package.use.
> The devs have already made that choice, though of course you don't have to 
> follow them.
>

Other than the profile, I set the USE line in make.conf, or
package.use.  I'm not trying to post details on a specific USE flag,
just picking a common one that makes the point of how it can be handled. 


>> Basically, make.conf is the rule for USE flags.  Package.use is for
>> exceptions to that rule.
> Or, if the USE flag is documented in /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc it's for 
> general application and you put it in make.conf, and if it's in 
> /usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc it applies to one or a few specific 
> packages and you put it in package.use.
>
> Then you just have to decide how to arrange you package.use directory. This 
> is mine, in case it helps anyone:
>
> # ls /etc/portage/package.use
> boinc  firefox  firmware  iputils  qtwebengine  runtime-meta  xorg
>
> # cat /etc/portage/package.use/xorg
> media-libs/mesa -vaapi
> sys-devel/llvm  clang video_cards_radeon
> x11-libs/libdrm video_cards_radeon
>
> # cat /etc/portage/package.use/boinc
> app-emulation/virtualboxadditions extensions java python
> x11-libs/wxGTK  webkit
>
> You can see I have all the USE flags affecting the xorg-x11 system in one 
> file, 
> all those needed by boinc in another, and so on. In my usual top-down 
> approach I name each file by what it's for, not what's in it.
>
>> As usual, do what makes the most sense to you.  I post this just in case
>> this way may make sense, not that much of anything I do makes sense to
>> anyone else.  ;-)
> You're too modest...  :)
>

I have one file.  I tried having more than one file and I did not like
that one bit.  Sometimes the same line can fit in a different package
depending on what pulls in a package and needs a certain USE flag
setting.  If I need to know if a package is listed in package.use, I
have one file to look at.  I don't have to spend a lot of time looking
in the file I think it should be in only to find it in another file for
some other reason than the current one.  Yep, I tried that road.  It's
not for me.  If it works for you tho, do it that way.  Everyone has a
way/method that works for them. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 05 Feb 2017 01:44:30 Dale wrote:
>> the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>>> I change in make.conf to:
>>> USE="bindist"
>>>
>>> and I was able to install basic system correctly, network is working and I
>>> can proceed with castomazation but my next question: What is the correct
>>> way to configure "USE=" in make.conf?
> [snip...]
>
>> If I have a flag that I want enabled/disabled on basically
>> everything that uses that flag, it goes in make.conf.  If I have a USE
>> flag that I may need for just a few packages, or a single package, I put
>> it in package.use.
> Yes, this is pretty much the case.  System wide USE flags go in make.conf.  
> Package specific USE flags *which do not apply system wide* go in package.use.
>
>
>> As a example.  The kde USE flag.  Since I run mostly
>> KDE and want any packages I build to work with KDE, it goes in
>> make.conf.
> Errm ... not exactly.
>
> If one uses KDE (it's called Plasma these days) then the way to set up system 
> wide KDE USE flags is to select the corresponding profile.  This will set up 
> the correct USE flags and help install all necessary dependencies (e.g. Qt, 
> dbus, polkit, etc.).  The way to do this is to use 'eselect profile list' and 
> set the desired profile from those listed.  This will set a symlink from your 
> make.profile to the required /usr/portage/profiles/default/ selection of USE 
> flags.
>
> Afterwards, have a look in the USE flags shown when you run 'emerge --info' 
> to 
> find out what your OS is using in an emerge.  If you want something set up 
> globally to cater e.g. for your hardware, which is not shown in 'emerge --
> info', you can set it in make.conf.  This will avoid polluting your make.conf 
> with duplicate USE flags which are already set by your make.profile.
>
> While talking about hardware, you may want to consider installing and running:
>
>  app-portage/cpuid2cpuflags
>
> It will give a list specific to the instruction set of your CPU which you 
> should add in CPU_FLAGS_X86=  in your make.conf
>
> Finally, have a quick read here where it explains how to interpret the output 
> of emerge messages regarding USE flags and how to differentiate between 
> local, 
> global and conflicting USE flags:
>
>  https://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/use-flags/index.html
>
> HTH


I was just using the kde flag as a example.  Although, the kde USE flag
is still in use by several packages. 

kde - Add support for KDE (K Desktop Environment)

I could have also used X or several others as a example. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[J. Roeleveld]

On Saturday, February 4, 2017 11:28:37 PM CET Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 04/02/2017 17:56, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Saturday 04 Feb 2017 17:32:53 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >> Modern kernels DO get nervous if they have no swap at all - it's used
> >> internally. So make a small amount of swap to make the kernel happy, say
> >> 64M or so. Yes, megs.
> >> 
> >> And if your machine sleeps to disk you will need swap large enough to
> >> store the memory image - it has to go somewhere and that is swap.
> >> 
> >> That's my advice. Now let the nay-sayers begin the argument
> > 
> > No argument from me, Alan. It isn't just the kernel that gets nervous - I
> > do too if I don't have any swap available. I have 32 GB and an 8 GB swap,
> > which I'm thinking of reducing (the swap, that is). My SSD is only 256 GB
> > and my boinc partition has filled up today, so I need to recover some
> > unused space.
> I'd be much more nervous about swap on SSD tbh.
> 
> I can't imagine that working well, by it's nature swap is write-heavy

I don't see much issue with swap on SSD as long as it isn't used too much.
My laptop only has SSD, my desktop also has a spinning-rust disk for scratch-
heavy (many, many writes) activities.

My swap is on SSD, it's not used often, I guess I would wear out that SSD 
sooner with the activities of my home-dir and akonadi. :)

I don't see anything bad happening yet using smartctl and this machine is 
running a lot lately with, for my desktop, quite high uptimes.

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[J. Roeleveld]

On Saturday, February 4, 2017 11:36:56 PM CET the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

(longer reply)

> 
> I change in make.conf to:
> USE="bindist"
> 
> and I was able to install basic system correctly, network is working and I
> can proceed with castomazation but my next question: What is the correct
> way to configure "USE=" in make.conf?
> 
> When I use a below: (copied from my other systems):
> 
> USE="-qt4 -kde -gnome -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk alsa cups apache2 ssl
> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev tiff png usb scanner gimp
> gimpprint cgi fam nptl type1 opengl tetexspell consolkit dbus pam policykit
> jpeg lock session startup-notification thunar cleartype corefonts -systemd
> -DOPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEATS abi_x86_32"
> 
> PS. I think "dbus" is no longer used, isn't it?

I have dbus installed, so the package still exists. If it is a valid USE-flag, 
I don't know.

In your list, I see a few I have never used. Most of them, I would personally 
only set for those packages where I want them to apply, but that is a personal 
decision.

My main concerns with your list are:
# -DOPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEATS
This seems more like something that should be added as a compiler-flag for 1 
package or something in an apache config file.

# abi_x86_32
I am assuming you want packages to also be build for 32-bit.
If that is the case, I would set the following in your make.conf file:
# ABI_X86="64 32"
and remove this entry from your USE-list.

# consolkit
I think this should be "consolekit" as that one does exist.

> I get a log of blockers and my file "package.use" starting to look like
> trash can with entries like:
> 
> # required by x11-libs/libxcb-1.12::gentoo
> # required by x11-apps/xwininfo-1.1.3::gentoo
> # required by x11-misc/xscreensaver-5.36::gentoo
> # required by xfce-base/xfce4-session-4.12.1-r1::gentoo[xscreensaver]
> # required by xfce-base/xfce4-meta-4.12::gentoo
> # required by xfce-base/xfce4-meta (argument)
> 
> >=x11-libs/libXau-1.0.8 abi_x86_32

This is related to the above comment about your abi... useflag.

> # required by x11-libs/libxcb-1.12::gentoo
> # required by x11-apps/xwininfo-1.1.3::gentoo
> # required by x11-misc/xscreensaver-5.36::gentoo
> # required by xfce-base/xfce4-session-4.12.1-r1::gentoo[xscreensaver]
> # required by xfce-base/xfce4-meta-4.12::gentoo
> # required by xfce-base/xfce4-meta (argument)
> 
> >=dev-libs/libpthread-stubs-0.3-r1 abi_x86_32

Same

> If I try to use my USE="-qt4 ... etc" and try to emerge:
> emerge --ask xfce-base/xfce4-meta
> 
> I get tones of blockers and problem solving eg.:
> 
> [blocks B  ] dev-util/pkgconf[pkg-config]
> ("dev-util/pkgconf[pkg-config]" is blocking dev-util/pkgconfig-0.28-r2)
> [blocks B  ] media-libs/libjpeg-turbo:0 ("media-libs/libjpeg-turbo:0"
> is blocking media-libs/jpeg-8d-r1) [blocks B  ] media-libs/jpeg:0
> ("media-libs/jpeg:0" is blocking media-libs/libjpeg-turbo-1.5.0) [blocks B 
> ] sys-fs/udev ("sys-fs/udev" is blocking sys-fs/eudev-3.1.5) [blocks B 
> ] dev-util/pkgconfig ("dev-util/pkgconfig" is blocking
> dev-util/pkgconf-0.9.12)
> 
>  * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
>  * installed at the same time on the same system.
> 
>   (dev-util/pkgconf-0.9.12:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled
> in by
> >=dev-util/pkgconf-0.9.3-r1[pkg-config,abi_x86_32(-)?,abi_x86_64(-)?,abi
> >_x86_x32(-)?,abi_mips_n32(-)?,abi_mips_n64(-)?,abi_mips_o32(-)?,abi_ppc
> >_32(-)?,abi_ppc_64(-)?,abi_s390_32(-)?,abi_s390_64(-)?]
> >(>=dev-util/pkgconf-0.9.3-r1[pkg-config,abi_x86_32(-),abi_x86_64(-)])
> >required by (virtual/pkgconfig-0-r1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for
> >merge)
>   (sys-fs/eudev-3.1.5:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
> 
> >=sys-fs/eudev-1.3 required by (virtual/udev-215:0/0::gentoo, installed)
> >=sys-fs/eudev-1.3:0/0[abi_x86_32(-)?,abi_x86_64(-)?,abi_x86_x32(-)?,abi
> >_mips_n32(-)?,abi_mips_n64(-)?,abi_mips_o32(-)?,abi_ppc_32(-)?,abi_ppc_
> >64(-)?,abi_s390_32(-)?,abi_s390_64(-)?,static-libs?]
> >(>=sys-fs/eudev-1.3:0/0[abi_x86_32(-),abi_x86_64(-)]) required by
> >(virtual/libudev-215-r1:0/1::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>   (sys-fs/udev-225-r1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
> 
> >=sys-fs/udev-208-r1:0/0[abi_x86_32(-)?,abi_x86_64(-)?,abi_x86_x32(-)?,a
> >bi_mips_n32(-)?,abi_mips_n64(-)?,abi_mips_o32(-)?,abi_ppc_32(-)?,abi_pp
> >c_64(-)?,abi_s390_32(-)?,abi_s390_64(-)?,static-libs?]
> >(>=sys-fs/udev-208-r1:0/0[abi_x86_32(-),abi_x86_64(-)]) required by
> >(virtual/libudev-215-r1:0/1::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
> >=sys-fs/udev-208-r1 required by (virtual/udev-215:0/0::gentoo,
> >installed)
>   (dev-util/pkgconfig-0.28-r2:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
> pulled in by
> >=dev-util/pkgconfig-0.28-r1[abi_x86_32(-)?,abi_x86_64(-)?,abi_x86_x32(-
> >)?,abi_mips_n32(-)?,abi_mips_n64(-)?,abi_mips_o32(-)?,abi_ppc_32(-)?,ab
> 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 05 Feb 2017 01:44:30 Dale wrote:

> Ask anyone, I'm different on the way I do USE flags, or I feel that
> way.  If I have a flag that I want enabled/disabled on basically
> everything that uses that flag, it goes in make.conf.  If I have a USE
> flag that I may need for just a few packages, or a single package, I put
> it in package.use.

The devs have already made that choice, though of course you don't have to 
follow them.

> Basically, make.conf is the rule for USE flags.  Package.use is for
> exceptions to that rule.

Or, if the USE flag is documented in /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc it's for 
general application and you put it in make.conf, and if it's in 
/usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc it applies to one or a few specific 
packages and you put it in package.use.

Then you just have to decide how to arrange you package.use directory. This 
is mine, in case it helps anyone:

# ls /etc/portage/package.use
boinc  firefox  firmware  iputils  qtwebengine  runtime-meta  xorg

# cat /etc/portage/package.use/xorg
media-libs/mesa -vaapi
sys-devel/llvm  clang video_cards_radeon
x11-libs/libdrm video_cards_radeon

# cat /etc/portage/package.use/boinc
app-emulation/virtualboxadditions extensions java python
x11-libs/wxGTK  webkit

You can see I have all the USE flags affecting the xorg-x11 system in one file, 
all those needed by boinc in another, and so on. In my usual top-down 
approach I name each file by what it's for, not what's in it.

> As usual, do what makes the most sense to you.  I post this just in case
> this way may make sense, not that much of anything I do makes sense to
> anyone else.  ;-)

You're too modest...  :)

-- 
Regards
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Mick]

On Sunday 05 Feb 2017 01:44:30 Dale wrote:
> the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> > I change in make.conf to:
> > USE="bindist"
> > 
> > and I was able to install basic system correctly, network is working and I
> > can proceed with castomazation but my next question: What is the correct
> > way to configure "USE=" in make.conf?
[snip...]

> If I have a flag that I want enabled/disabled on basically
> everything that uses that flag, it goes in make.conf.  If I have a USE
> flag that I may need for just a few packages, or a single package, I put
> it in package.use.

Yes, this is pretty much the case.  System wide USE flags go in make.conf.  
Package specific USE flags *which do not apply system wide* go in package.use.


> As a example.  The kde USE flag.  Since I run mostly
> KDE and want any packages I build to work with KDE, it goes in
> make.conf.

Errm ... not exactly.

If one uses KDE (it's called Plasma these days) then the way to set up system 
wide KDE USE flags is to select the corresponding profile.  This will set up 
the correct USE flags and help install all necessary dependencies (e.g. Qt, 
dbus, polkit, etc.).  The way to do this is to use 'eselect profile list' and 
set the desired profile from those listed.  This will set a symlink from your 
make.profile to the required /usr/portage/profiles/default/ selection of USE 
flags.

Afterwards, have a look in the USE flags shown when you run 'emerge --info' to 
find out what your OS is using in an emerge.  If you want something set up 
globally to cater e.g. for your hardware, which is not shown in 'emerge --
info', you can set it in make.conf.  This will avoid polluting your make.conf 
with duplicate USE flags which are already set by your make.profile.

While talking about hardware, you may want to consider installing and running:

 app-portage/cpuid2cpuflags

It will give a list specific to the instruction set of your CPU which you 
should add in CPU_FLAGS_X86=  in your make.conf

Finally, have a quick read here where it explains how to interpret the output 
of emerge messages regarding USE flags and how to differentiate between local, 
global and conflicting USE flags:

 https://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/use-flags/index.html

HTH
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Dale]

the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>
> I change in make.conf to: 
> USE="bindist"
>
> and I was able to install basic system correctly, network is working and I 
> can proceed with castomazation but 
> my next question: What is the correct way to configure "USE=" in make.conf?
>
> When I use a below: (copied from my other systems):
>
> USE="-qt4 -kde -gnome -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk alsa cups apache2 ssl 
> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev tiff png usb scanner gimp 
> gimpprint cgi fam nptl type1 opengl tetexspell consolkit dbus pam policykit 
> jpeg lock session startup-notification thunar cleartype corefonts -systemd 
> -DOPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEATS abi_x86_32"
>
> PS. I think "dbus" is no longer used, isn't it?
>  <<< SNIP >>>
> --
> Thelma
>
>


Ask anyone, I'm different on the way I do USE flags, or I feel that
way.  If I have a flag that I want enabled/disabled on basically
everything that uses that flag, it goes in make.conf.  If I have a USE
flag that I may need for just a few packages, or a single package, I put
it in package.use.  As a example.  The kde USE flag.  Since I run mostly
KDE and want any packages I build to work with KDE, it goes in
make.conf.  To go with the other direction on this.  qt4 and qt5.  Some
packages work or look better with one or the other.  For those
exceptions, I use package.use to set those.  Since emerge reads
package.use last, those setting apply. 

Basically, make.conf is the rule for USE flags.  Package.use is for
exceptions to that rule. 

As usual, do what makes the most sense to you.  I post this just in case
this way may make sense, not that much of anything I do makes sense to
anyone else.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[J. Roeleveld]

On February 5, 2017 7:36:56 AM GMT+01:00, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>On 02/04/2017 12:20 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> On February 4, 2017 7:31:41 PM GMT+01:00, the...@sys-concept.com
>wrote:
>>>
>>> On 02/04/2017 04:28 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 00:22:45 -0700, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

> emerge --sync gives me error:
> "/etc/portage/make.conf", line 11: Invalid variable name
> '-Wl,--hash-style'
>
> Line 11 in make.conf:
> USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2
>>> ssl
> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb 
>>> scanner
> gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
>
> Here is complete make.conf
>
> CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe
>>>
>>> Yes, missing " at the end was the problem.
>>>
>>> However, I restarted from scratch and now even on a new installation
>>> I'm getting a lot of errors:
>>>
>>> Failed to emerge www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9, Log file:
>>  '/var/tmp/portage/www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9/temp/build.log'
>>> *** Resuming merge...
>>> * emerge --keep-going: sys-auth/pambase-20150213 dropped because it
>>> requires
>>> * >=sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6[pam]
>>> * emerge --keep-going: net-print/cups-filters-1.5.0 dropped because
>it
>>> * requires >=app-text/ghostscript-gpl-9.09, >=net-print/cups-1.7.3,
 =app-
>>> * text/poppler-0.32:=[cxx,jpeg,lcms,tiff,xpdf-headers(+)],
>>> sys-apps/dbus
>>> * emerge --keep-going: sys-auth/polkit-0.113 dropped because it
>>> requires
>>> * >=gnome-extra/polkit-gnome-0.105, sys-auth/consolekit[policykit]
>>> * emerge --keep-going: dev-qt/qt3support-4.8.6-r1 dropped because it
>>> requires
>>> *
>
>[snip]
>
>>> *  (gnome-extra/polkit-gnome-0.105-r1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled
>for
>>> merge)
>>> *  (x11-misc/xdg-utils-1.1.1-r1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for
>>> merge)
>>> *  (app-text/ghostscript-gpl-9.15-r1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled
>for
>>> merge)
>>>
>>> This is new installation following gentoo hand-book on line :-/
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thelma
>> 
>> Please start with the default USE flags in your make.conf file.
>> Also use the standard/defauly profile. (If you want systemd, please
>select that the minimal systemd one)
>> 
>> Make sure you have an installation that can boot into a text console
>where you can login and have basic networking.
>> 
>> Then, change your profile if needed. If changed, do a rebuild using:
>> # emerge -auDN @world
>> 
>> After that, install anything else you need, keeping the list on the
>commandline managable.
>> 
>> Adjust USE flags as needed. Try to keep changing the global set (the
>one in your make.conf) to an absolute minimal. Mine only has 3 items. I
>kept the default, minus bindist.
>> 
>> --
>> Joost
>
>I change in make.conf to: 
>USE="bindist"
>
>and I was able to install basic system correctly, network is working
>and I can proceed with castomazation but 
>my next question: What is the correct way to configure "USE=" in
>make.conf?
>
>When I use a below: (copied from my other systems):
>
>USE="-qt4 -kde -gnome -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk alsa cups apache2 ssl
>foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev tiff png usb scanner gimp
>gimpprint cgi fam nptl type1 opengl tetexspell consolkit dbus pam
>policykit jpeg lock session startup-notification thunar cleartype
>corefonts -systemd -DOPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEATS abi_x86_32"
>
>PS. I think "dbus" is no longer used, isn't it?
> 
>I get a log of blockers and my file "package.use" starting to look like
>trash can with entries like:
>
># required by x11-libs/libxcb-1.12::gentoo
># required by x11-apps/xwininfo-1.1.3::gentoo
># required by x11-misc/xscreensaver-5.36::gentoo
># required by xfce-base/xfce4-session-4.12.1-r1::gentoo[xscreensaver]
># required by xfce-base/xfce4-meta-4.12::gentoo
># required by xfce-base/xfce4-meta (argument)
>>=x11-libs/libXau-1.0.8 abi_x86_32
># required by x11-libs/libxcb-1.12::gentoo
># required by x11-apps/xwininfo-1.1.3::gentoo
># required by x11-misc/xscreensaver-5.36::gentoo
># required by xfce-base/xfce4-session-4.12.1-r1::gentoo[xscreensaver]
># required by xfce-base/xfce4-meta-4.12::gentoo
># required by xfce-base/xfce4-meta (argument)
>>=dev-libs/libpthread-stubs-0.3-r1 abi_x86_32
>
>If I try to use my USE="-qt4 ... etc" and try to emerge:
>emerge --ask xfce-base/xfce4-meta
>
>I get tones of blockers and problem solving eg.:
>
>[blocks B  ] dev-util/pkgconf[pkg-config]
>("dev-util/pkgconf[pkg-config]" is blocking dev-util/pkgconfig-0.28-r2)
>[blocks B  ] media-libs/libjpeg-turbo:0
>("media-libs/libjpeg-turbo:0" is blocking media-libs/jpeg-8d-r1)
>[blocks B  ] media-libs/jpeg:0 ("media-libs/jpeg:0" is blocking
>media-libs/libjpeg-turbo-1.5.0)
>[blocks B  ] sys-fs/udev ("sys-fs/udev" is blocking
>sys-fs/eudev-3.1.5)
>[blocks B  ] dev-util/pkgconfig ("dev-util/pkgconfig" is blocking
>dev-util/pkgconf-0.9.12)
>
> * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
> * installed at the same time on 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[thelma]

On 02/04/2017 12:20 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On February 4, 2017 7:31:41 PM GMT+01:00, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>>
>> On 02/04/2017 04:28 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>> On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 00:22:45 -0700, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>>>
 emerge --sync gives me error:
 "/etc/portage/make.conf", line 11: Invalid variable name
 '-Wl,--hash-style'

 Line 11 in make.conf:
 USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2
>> ssl
 foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb 
>> scanner
 gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$

 Here is complete make.conf

 CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe
>>
>> Yes, missing " at the end was the problem.
>>
>> However, I restarted from scratch and now even on a new installation
>> I'm getting a lot of errors:
>>
>> Failed to emerge www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9, Log file:
>  '/var/tmp/portage/www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9/temp/build.log'
>> *** Resuming merge...
>> * emerge --keep-going: sys-auth/pambase-20150213 dropped because it
>> requires
>> * >=sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6[pam]
>> * emerge --keep-going: net-print/cups-filters-1.5.0 dropped because it
>> * requires >=app-text/ghostscript-gpl-9.09, >=net-print/cups-1.7.3,
>>> =app-
>> * text/poppler-0.32:=[cxx,jpeg,lcms,tiff,xpdf-headers(+)],
>> sys-apps/dbus
>> * emerge --keep-going: sys-auth/polkit-0.113 dropped because it
>> requires
>> * >=gnome-extra/polkit-gnome-0.105, sys-auth/consolekit[policykit]
>> * emerge --keep-going: dev-qt/qt3support-4.8.6-r1 dropped because it
>> requires
>> *

[snip]

>> *  (gnome-extra/polkit-gnome-0.105-r1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for
>> merge)
>> *  (x11-misc/xdg-utils-1.1.1-r1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for
>> merge)
>> *  (app-text/ghostscript-gpl-9.15-r1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for
>> merge)
>>
>> This is new installation following gentoo hand-book on line :-/
>>
>> --
>> Thelma
> 
> Please start with the default USE flags in your make.conf file.
> Also use the standard/defauly profile. (If you want systemd, please select 
> that the minimal systemd one)
> 
> Make sure you have an installation that can boot into a text console where 
> you can login and have basic networking.
> 
> Then, change your profile if needed. If changed, do a rebuild using:
> # emerge -auDN @world
> 
> After that, install anything else you need, keeping the list on the 
> commandline managable.
> 
> Adjust USE flags as needed. Try to keep changing the global set (the one in 
> your make.conf) to an absolute minimal. Mine only has 3 items. I kept the 
> default, minus bindist.
> 
> --
> Joost

I change in make.conf to: 
USE="bindist"

and I was able to install basic system correctly, network is working and I can 
proceed with castomazation but 
my next question: What is the correct way to configure "USE=" in make.conf?

When I use a below: (copied from my other systems):

USE="-qt4 -kde -gnome -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk alsa cups apache2 ssl foomaticdb 
truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev tiff png usb scanner gimp gimpprint cgi fam 
nptl type1 opengl tetexspell consolkit dbus pam policykit jpeg lock session 
startup-notification thunar cleartype corefonts -systemd 
-DOPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEATS abi_x86_32"

PS. I think "dbus" is no longer used, isn't it?
 
I get a log of blockers and my file "package.use" starting to look like trash 
can with entries like:

# required by x11-libs/libxcb-1.12::gentoo
# required by x11-apps/xwininfo-1.1.3::gentoo
# required by x11-misc/xscreensaver-5.36::gentoo
# required by xfce-base/xfce4-session-4.12.1-r1::gentoo[xscreensaver]
# required by xfce-base/xfce4-meta-4.12::gentoo
# required by xfce-base/xfce4-meta (argument)
>=x11-libs/libXau-1.0.8 abi_x86_32
# required by x11-libs/libxcb-1.12::gentoo
# required by x11-apps/xwininfo-1.1.3::gentoo
# required by x11-misc/xscreensaver-5.36::gentoo
# required by xfce-base/xfce4-session-4.12.1-r1::gentoo[xscreensaver]
# required by xfce-base/xfce4-meta-4.12::gentoo
# required by xfce-base/xfce4-meta (argument)
>=dev-libs/libpthread-stubs-0.3-r1 abi_x86_32

If I try to use my USE="-qt4 ... etc" and try to emerge:
emerge --ask xfce-base/xfce4-meta

I get tones of blockers and problem solving eg.:

[blocks B  ] dev-util/pkgconf[pkg-config] ("dev-util/pkgconf[pkg-config]" 
is blocking dev-util/pkgconfig-0.28-r2)
[blocks B  ] media-libs/libjpeg-turbo:0 ("media-libs/libjpeg-turbo:0" is 
blocking media-libs/jpeg-8d-r1)
[blocks B  ] media-libs/jpeg:0 ("media-libs/jpeg:0" is blocking 
media-libs/libjpeg-turbo-1.5.0)
[blocks B  ] sys-fs/udev ("sys-fs/udev" is blocking sys-fs/eudev-3.1.5)
[blocks B  ] dev-util/pkgconfig ("dev-util/pkgconfig" is blocking 
dev-util/pkgconf-0.9.12)

 * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
 * installed at the same time on the same system.

  (dev-util/pkgconf-0.9.12:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday 04 Feb 2017 23:28:37 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 04/02/2017 17:56, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Saturday 04 Feb 2017 17:32:53 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >> Modern kernels DO get nervous if they have no swap at all - it's used
> >> internally. So make a small amount of swap to make the kernel happy,
> >> say
> >> 64M or so. Yes, megs.
> >> 
> >> And if your machine sleeps to disk you will need swap large enough to
> >> store the memory image - it has to go somewhere and that is swap.
> >> 
> >> That's my advice. Now let the nay-sayers begin the argument
> > 
> > No argument from me, Alan. It isn't just the kernel that gets nervous -
> > I do too if I don't have any swap available. I have 32 GB and an 8 GB
> > swap, which I'm thinking of reducing (the swap, that is). My SSD is
> > only 256 GB and my boinc partition has filled up today, so I need to
> > recover some unused space.
> I'd be much more nervous about swap on SSD tbh.
> 
> I can't imagine that working well, by it's nature swap is write-heavy

Just as well that it's hardly ever used, then. :)

-- 
Regards
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Dale]

the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>
> You might be correct, I'm reinstalling from fresh today so I'll put SWAP
> back.  Question, how much swap should I allocate?  Isn't the unwritten
> rule RAM * 2 so 32GB of swap partition? or RAM * 1.5
>
> --
> Thelma
>
>

This is like asking what brand of hard drive to buy.  Or what brand of
Mobo or even memory itself.  There is usually no right answer. 

I have 16GBs of memory.  I have 1GB of swap.  Sometimes I wish I had
more swap but for the most part, I wish I had more memory.  When it
starts using swap, this otherwise fast rig gets dead dog slow.  If I hit
ctrl F3 to switch to the desktop where Konsole is parked, it takes quite
a while to switch.  So, I don't like it using any swap at all but it is
better than it killing processes to keep it chugging along. 

The best advice, take past experience from how you use your system and
what you do with it and use that, maybe even add just a small amount to
be safe.  If you've never had a system use swap with the amount of
memory you have, have a small swap, for just in case.  If you have ran
into situations where you have had to use swap because you don't have
enough memory, may want to make swap bigger. 

On Alan's advice, keep in mind, Alan manages and deals with tons of
servers.  He's likely seen some strange setups that either are overdone
or underdone and learned from it.  One can learn a lot from overkill and
underkill.  As with anything, you don't want to waste space with to much
swap but if it comes to it, you want enough to keep you from crashing. 

How's that for advice?  lol 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Bill Kenworthy]

On 05/02/17 00:12, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Alan McKinnon  
> wrote:
>>
>> Size of swap is the classic cargo-cult question,
> 
> ++
> 
>>
>> Modern kernels DO get nervous if they have no swap at all - it's used
>> internally. So make a small amount of swap to make the kernel happy, say
>> 64M or so. Yes, megs.
>>
> 
> So, uh, I'd be interested in some kind of citation for this, mainly
> because it also sounds a bit like cargo cult advice.  :)
> 
> What exactly doesn't work without swap, because I've been running
> without it for years?
> 

The original 2x size was because very old unix systems when they crash
dumped use swap as the crash device.  Further a crash dump back then
included a 1 to 1 dump of ram, hence the size.  A Solaris web page I
just looked at mentions swap as the "dump device".  Not sure when if
ever this applied to Linux in that context.

Things where you need a lot of swap:
hibernate if you use the swap device to hibernate - you need enough room
for your normal swap content and the image

Graphics - holding very large images in ram

special cases

I am currently using SSD's for swap (MS surface 4, intel ssd's and
samsung ssd's) as well as an apple air for 2 years I no longer use.

My oldest was used for ceph for 12 months before re-purposing as a
server OS, swap and bcache - performance was average and best you could
say was it was faster than spinning rust.

Current I have two systems with a OS+swap on one ssd and a btrfs raid10
on bcache on ssd - one backed with 4xDW reds, and the other with 4x WD
greens.

No failures yet - the majority of the HDD drives were part of LVM
volumes in the past and the current systems have "evolved" rather than
being bought for a carefully planned system.

I dont think that SSD age is really relevant for modern uses (though in
bulk buys I seen quite high early failure rates but that settled down
quickly.

I currently use:
vm.swappiness=1
vm.vfs_cache_pressure=50

and

olympus ~ # free -h
  totalusedfree  shared  buff/cache
available
Mem:31G 30G549M216K285M
  609M
Swap:   23G 16G8.0G
olympus ~ #

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Alan McKinnon]

On 04/02/2017 17:56, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Saturday 04 Feb 2017 17:32:53 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> 
>> Modern kernels DO get nervous if they have no swap at all - it's used
>> internally. So make a small amount of swap to make the kernel happy, say
>> 64M or so. Yes, megs.
>>
>> And if your machine sleeps to disk you will need swap large enough to
>> store the memory image - it has to go somewhere and that is swap.
>>
>> That's my advice. Now let the nay-sayers begin the argument
> 
> No argument from me, Alan. It isn't just the kernel that gets nervous - I do 
> too if I don't have any swap available. I have 32 GB and an 8 GB swap, which 
> I'm thinking of reducing (the swap, that is). My SSD is only 256 GB and my 
> boinc partition has filled up today, so I need to recover some unused space.
> 


I'd be much more nervous about swap on SSD tbh.

I can't imagine that working well, by it's nature swap is write-heavy

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Alan McKinnon]

On 04/02/2017 18:12, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Alan McKinnon  
> wrote:
>>
>> Size of swap is the classic cargo-cult question,
> 
> ++
> 
>>
>> Modern kernels DO get nervous if they have no swap at all - it's used
>> internally. So make a small amount of swap to make the kernel happy, say
>> 64M or so. Yes, megs.
>>
> 
> So, uh, I'd be interested in some kind of citation for this, mainly
> because it also sounds a bit like cargo cult advice.  :)

hehe, clever. I saw what you did there :-)

You can cite me, and my own observations on my and my employers'
machines - I routinely add a 64M swap partition as a first cut and have
no problems with it so far. If a machine runs out of memory, I add more
(most work servers are VMs so adding more is trivial).

If that is ideal, or a good value, I have no idea as I wasn't writing a
research paper, rather finding an empirical value that worked

> What exactly doesn't work without swap, because I've been running
> without it for years?

I really should revisit this topic with current kernels, my fiddling was
done some time ago and things may well have changed.

I recall getting some error that only having a small swap fixed. Lousy
answer, I know, so if anyone has real current facts, I'm all ears.

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[J. Roeleveld]

On February 4, 2017 7:31:41 PM GMT+01:00, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>
>On 02/04/2017 04:28 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 00:22:45 -0700, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> 
>>> emerge --sync gives me error:
>>> "/etc/portage/make.conf", line 11: Invalid variable name
>>> '-Wl,--hash-style'
>>>
>>> Line 11 in make.conf:
>>> USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2
>ssl
>>> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb 
>scanner
>>> gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
>>>
>>> Here is complete make.conf
>>>
>>> CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe
>
>Yes, missing " at the end was the problem.
>
>However, I restarted from scratch and now even on a new installation
>I'm getting a lot of errors:
>
>Failed to emerge www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9, Log file:
  '/var/tmp/portage/www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9/temp/build.log'
>*** Resuming merge...
>* emerge --keep-going: sys-auth/pambase-20150213 dropped because it
>requires
> * >=sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6[pam]
> * emerge --keep-going: net-print/cups-filters-1.5.0 dropped because it
>* requires >=app-text/ghostscript-gpl-9.09, >=net-print/cups-1.7.3,
>>=app-
>* text/poppler-0.32:=[cxx,jpeg,lcms,tiff,xpdf-headers(+)],
>sys-apps/dbus
>* emerge --keep-going: sys-auth/polkit-0.113 dropped because it
>requires
> * >=gnome-extra/polkit-gnome-0.105, sys-auth/consolekit[policykit]
>* emerge --keep-going: dev-qt/qt3support-4.8.6-r1 dropped because it
>requires
>*
>~dev-qt/qtgui-4.8.6[accessibility,-aqua,-debug,qt3support,abi_x86_64(-)]
> * emerge --keep-going: sys-auth/consolekit-1.1.0-r1 dropped because it
> * requires >=sys-auth/polkit-0.110, sys-apps/dbus
>* emerge --keep-going: net-print/cups-2.1.4 dropped because it requires
> * x11-misc/xdg-utils, >=net-print/cups-filters-1.0.43, >=sys-
> * apps/dbus-1.6.18-r1[abi_x86_64(-)]
>* emerge --keep-going: app-text/poppler-0.45.0 dropped because it
>requires
> * dev-qt/qtgui:4
> * emerge --keep-going: virtual/w3m-0 dropped because it requires www-
> * client/w3m
>* emerge --keep-going: x11-libs/gtk+-3.20.9 dropped because it requires
> * >=net-print/cups-1.2[abi_x86_64(-)], >=app-accessibility/at-
> * spi2-atk-2.5.3[abi_x86_64(-)]
>* emerge --keep-going: dev-qt/qtgui-4.8.6-r4 dropped because it
>requires net-
> * print/cups[abi_x86_64(-)], ~dev-
> * qt/qt3support-4.8.6[-aqua,-debug,abi_x86_64(-)]
>* emerge --keep-going: sys-apps/dbus-1.10.12 dropped because it
>requires app-
> * text/xmlto
>* emerge --keep-going: app-accessibility/at-spi2-core-2.20.2 dropped
>because
> * it requires >=sys-apps/dbus-1[abi_x86_64(-)]
>* emerge --keep-going: app-text/xmlto-0.0.26-r1 dropped because it
>requires
> * virtual/w3m
>* emerge --keep-going: app-accessibility/at-spi2-atk-2.20.1 dropped
>because
>* it requires >=sys-apps/dbus-1.5[abi_x86_64(-)],
>>=app-accessibility/at-
> * spi2-core-2.17.90[abi_x86_64(-)]
>* emerge --keep-going: gnome-extra/polkit-gnome-0.105-r1 dropped
>because it
> * requires x11-libs/gtk+:3, >=sys-auth/polkit-0.102
> * emerge --keep-going: x11-misc/xdg-utils-1.1.1-r1 dropped because it
> * requires >=app-text/xmlto-0.0.26-r1[text(+)]
>* emerge --keep-going: app-text/ghostscript-gpl-9.15-r1 dropped because
>it
> * requires x11-libs/gtk+:3, >=net-print/cups-1.3.8, sys-apps/dbus
>
> * Messages for package www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9:
>
> * ERROR: www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9::gentoo failed (compile phase):
> *   emake failed
> * 
>* If you need support, post the output of `emerge --info
>'=www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9::gentoo'`,
>* the complete build log and the output of `emerge -pqv
>'=www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9::gentoo'`.
>* The complete build log is located at
>'/var/tmp/portage/www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9/temp/build.log'.
>* The ebuild environment file is located at
>'/var/tmp/portage/www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9/temp/environment'.
>* Working directory:
>'/var/tmp/portage/www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9/work/w3m-0.5.3.git20161120'
>* S:
>'/var/tmp/portage/www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9/work/w3m-0.5.3.git20161120'
>
> * Messages for package sys-auth/pambase-20150213:
>
>* emerge --keep-going: sys-auth/pambase-20150213 dropped because it
>requires
> * >=sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6[pam]
>
> * Messages for package net-print/cups-filters-1.5.0:
>
> * emerge --keep-going: net-print/cups-filters-1.5.0 dropped because it
>* requires >=app-text/ghostscript-gpl-9.09, >=net-print/cups-1.7.3,
>>=app-
>* text/poppler-0.32:=[cxx,jpeg,lcms,tiff,xpdf-headers(+)],
>sys-apps/dbus
>
> * Messages for package sys-auth/polkit-0.113:
>
>* emerge --keep-going: sys-auth/polkit-0.113 dropped because it
>requires
> * >=gnome-extra/polkit-gnome-0.105, sys-auth/consolekit[policykit]
>
> * Messages for package dev-qt/qt3support-4.8.6-r1:
>
>* emerge --keep-going: dev-qt/qt3support-4.8.6-r1 dropped because it
>requires
>*
>~dev-qt/qtgui-4.8.6[accessibility,-aqua,-debug,qt3support,abi_x86_64(-)]
>
> * Messages for package sys-auth/consolekit-1.1.0-r1:
>
> * emerge --keep-going: sys-auth/consolekit-1.1.0-r1 dropped because it
> * requires 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[thelma]

On 02/04/2017 04:28 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 00:22:45 -0700, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> 
>> emerge --sync gives me error:
>> "/etc/portage/make.conf", line 11: Invalid variable name
>> '-Wl,--hash-style'
>>
>> Line 11 in make.conf:
>> USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl
>> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner
>> gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
>>
>> Here is complete make.conf
>>
>> CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe

Yes, missing " at the end was the problem.

However, I restarted from scratch and now even on a new installation I'm 
getting a lot of errors:

Failed to emerge www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9, Log file:
>>>  '/var/tmp/portage/www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9/temp/build.log'
*** Resuming merge...
 * emerge --keep-going: sys-auth/pambase-20150213 dropped because it requires
 * >=sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6[pam]
 * emerge --keep-going: net-print/cups-filters-1.5.0 dropped because it
 * requires >=app-text/ghostscript-gpl-9.09, >=net-print/cups-1.7.3, >=app-
 * text/poppler-0.32:=[cxx,jpeg,lcms,tiff,xpdf-headers(+)], sys-apps/dbus
 * emerge --keep-going: sys-auth/polkit-0.113 dropped because it requires
 * >=gnome-extra/polkit-gnome-0.105, sys-auth/consolekit[policykit]
 * emerge --keep-going: dev-qt/qt3support-4.8.6-r1 dropped because it requires
 * ~dev-qt/qtgui-4.8.6[accessibility,-aqua,-debug,qt3support,abi_x86_64(-)]
 * emerge --keep-going: sys-auth/consolekit-1.1.0-r1 dropped because it
 * requires >=sys-auth/polkit-0.110, sys-apps/dbus
 * emerge --keep-going: net-print/cups-2.1.4 dropped because it requires
 * x11-misc/xdg-utils, >=net-print/cups-filters-1.0.43, >=sys-
 * apps/dbus-1.6.18-r1[abi_x86_64(-)]
 * emerge --keep-going: app-text/poppler-0.45.0 dropped because it requires
 * dev-qt/qtgui:4
 * emerge --keep-going: virtual/w3m-0 dropped because it requires www-
 * client/w3m
 * emerge --keep-going: x11-libs/gtk+-3.20.9 dropped because it requires
 * >=net-print/cups-1.2[abi_x86_64(-)], >=app-accessibility/at-
 * spi2-atk-2.5.3[abi_x86_64(-)]
 * emerge --keep-going: dev-qt/qtgui-4.8.6-r4 dropped because it requires net-
 * print/cups[abi_x86_64(-)], ~dev-
 * qt/qt3support-4.8.6[-aqua,-debug,abi_x86_64(-)]
 * emerge --keep-going: sys-apps/dbus-1.10.12 dropped because it requires app-
 * text/xmlto
 * emerge --keep-going: app-accessibility/at-spi2-core-2.20.2 dropped because
 * it requires >=sys-apps/dbus-1[abi_x86_64(-)]
 * emerge --keep-going: app-text/xmlto-0.0.26-r1 dropped because it requires
 * virtual/w3m
 * emerge --keep-going: app-accessibility/at-spi2-atk-2.20.1 dropped because
 * it requires >=sys-apps/dbus-1.5[abi_x86_64(-)], >=app-accessibility/at-
 * spi2-core-2.17.90[abi_x86_64(-)]
 * emerge --keep-going: gnome-extra/polkit-gnome-0.105-r1 dropped because it
 * requires x11-libs/gtk+:3, >=sys-auth/polkit-0.102
 * emerge --keep-going: x11-misc/xdg-utils-1.1.1-r1 dropped because it
 * requires >=app-text/xmlto-0.0.26-r1[text(+)]
 * emerge --keep-going: app-text/ghostscript-gpl-9.15-r1 dropped because it
 * requires x11-libs/gtk+:3, >=net-print/cups-1.3.8, sys-apps/dbus

 * Messages for package www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9:

 * ERROR: www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9::gentoo failed (compile phase):
 *   emake failed
 * 
 * If you need support, post the output of `emerge --info 
'=www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9::gentoo'`,
 * the complete build log and the output of `emerge -pqv 
'=www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9::gentoo'`.
 * The complete build log is located at 
'/var/tmp/portage/www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9/temp/build.log'.
 * The ebuild environment file is located at 
'/var/tmp/portage/www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9/temp/environment'.
 * Working directory: 
'/var/tmp/portage/www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9/work/w3m-0.5.3.git20161120'
 * S: '/var/tmp/portage/www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r9/work/w3m-0.5.3.git20161120'

 * Messages for package sys-auth/pambase-20150213:

 * emerge --keep-going: sys-auth/pambase-20150213 dropped because it requires
 * >=sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6[pam]

 * Messages for package net-print/cups-filters-1.5.0:

 * emerge --keep-going: net-print/cups-filters-1.5.0 dropped because it
 * requires >=app-text/ghostscript-gpl-9.09, >=net-print/cups-1.7.3, >=app-
 * text/poppler-0.32:=[cxx,jpeg,lcms,tiff,xpdf-headers(+)], sys-apps/dbus

 * Messages for package sys-auth/polkit-0.113:

 * emerge --keep-going: sys-auth/polkit-0.113 dropped because it requires
 * >=gnome-extra/polkit-gnome-0.105, sys-auth/consolekit[policykit]

 * Messages for package dev-qt/qt3support-4.8.6-r1:

 * emerge --keep-going: dev-qt/qt3support-4.8.6-r1 dropped because it requires
 * ~dev-qt/qtgui-4.8.6[accessibility,-aqua,-debug,qt3support,abi_x86_64(-)]

 * Messages for package sys-auth/consolekit-1.1.0-r1:

 * emerge --keep-going: sys-auth/consolekit-1.1.0-r1 dropped because it
 * requires >=sys-auth/polkit-0.110, sys-apps/dbus

 * Messages for package net-print/cups-2.1.4:

 * emerge --keep-going: net-print/cups-2.1.4 dropped because it requires
 * 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Rich Freeman]

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Alan McKinnon  wrote:
>
> Size of swap is the classic cargo-cult question,

++

>
> Modern kernels DO get nervous if they have no swap at all - it's used
> internally. So make a small amount of swap to make the kernel happy, say
> 64M or so. Yes, megs.
>

So, uh, I'd be interested in some kind of citation for this, mainly
because it also sounds a bit like cargo cult advice.  :)

What exactly doesn't work without swap, because I've been running
without it for years?

-- 
Rich

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday 04 Feb 2017 17:32:53 Alan McKinnon wrote:

> Modern kernels DO get nervous if they have no swap at all - it's used
> internally. So make a small amount of swap to make the kernel happy, say
> 64M or so. Yes, megs.
> 
> And if your machine sleeps to disk you will need swap large enough to
> store the memory image - it has to go somewhere and that is swap.
> 
> That's my advice. Now let the nay-sayers begin the argument

No argument from me, Alan. It isn't just the kernel that gets nervous - I do 
too if I don't have any swap available. I have 32 GB and an 8 GB swap, which 
I'm thinking of reducing (the swap, that is). My SSD is only 256 GB and my 
boinc partition has filled up today, so I need to recover some unused space.

-- 
Regards
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Walter Dnes]

On Sat, Feb 04, 2017 at 08:18:50AM -0700, the...@sys-concept.com wrote

> Question, how much swap should I allocate?  Isn't the unwritten
> rule RAM * 2 so 32GB of swap partition? or RAM * 1.5

  As others have pointed out, that's probably too much in today's
scenarios.  One minimum... if you ever intend to use suspend-to-disk,
you obviously need enough swap space to store the contents of RAM.  In
that case, RAM + 4 gigabytes should suffice.  Otherwise, 8 gigabytes
looks OK, unless it's a server that gets pounded on.

-- 
Walter Dnes 
I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Alan McKinnon]

On 04/02/2017 17:18, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> On 02/04/2017 01:20 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> On February 4, 2017 8:22:45 AM GMT+01:00, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>>> On 02/03/2017 11:19 PM, Dale wrote:
 the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> I've not install Gentoo for some time and have some questions.
>
> It is Solid State Disk 1TB
> I'm using Minimal CD (Bootable USB)
> Created three partition (I did not create SWAP as I have 16GB or
>>> RAM)
> I used "fdisk" and follow the instruction from:
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks
>
> Though, I'm a bit confused. I did not see the change root command in
> those instructions.
> Right now I have a prompt: "livecd ~ #"
>
> and all instruction on the installation page showing: "root #"
>
> I've created a user: "livecd ~ #useradd -m -G users john"
> Will it take effect I'm still inside "livecd" environment.
>
> I'm confused a bit.


 It's been a while since I did a install as well plus I'm old as well.
>>> I
 skimmed your link and don't think you should be creating a user at
>>> that
 point.  If I recall correctly, creating users is done shortly before
 rebooting into the new install or even after rebooting.  Usually, I
>>> do
 it after rebooting.  Generally, I'm more concerned with my new kernel
 booting etc rather than having a user account, besides root of
>>> course. 
 Do set the root password BEFORE booting into the new install.  It
>>> makes
 life easier.  ;-) 

 The chroot command usually comes shortly after downloading and
>>> unpacking
 the stage3 tarball.  Until you have that, you don't have anything to
 chroot into yet. 

 I might add, I like a all in one page guide.  For me, it seems easier
>>> to
 scroll down, do what is there, scroll down some more etc.  It being
>>> in
 sections may be easier for you tho.  Use what works.  Also, I read
>>> over
 the guide at least twice before I start.  The first time I did a
>>> Gentoo
 install, I read it half a dozen times in some spots. 

 Hope that helps.

 Dale

 :-)  :-) 
>>>
>>> Thanks Dale, that new installation is not going well.
>>> I've change the environment and my prompt is still: "(chroot) livecd
>>> /#"
>>>
>>> emerge --sync gives me error:
>>> "/etc/portage/make.conf", line 11: Invalid variable name
>>> '-Wl,--hash-style'
>>>
>>> Line 11 in make.conf:
>>> USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl
>>> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner
>>> gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
>>>
>>> Here is complete make.conf
>>>
>>> CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe
>>> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
>>> #LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--hash-style=gnu"
>>> MAKEOPTS="-j9"
>>>
>>> USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl
>>> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner
>>> gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
>>>
>>> CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
>>> CPU_FLAGS_X86="3dnow 3dnowext mmx mmxext popcnt sse sse2 sse3 sse4a "
>>>
>>> PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
>>> DISTDIR="${PORTDIR}/distfiles"
>>> PKGDIR="${PORTDIR}/packages"
>>>
>>> INPUT_DEVICES="evdev"
>>> LINGUAS="en"
>>> L10N="en"
>>> FEATURES="parallel-fetch strict fixlafiles"
>>> #VIDEO_CARDS="fglrx radeon"
>>> #VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia nouveau"
>>> #SANE_BACKENDS="epson2"
>>> #PHP_TARGETS="php5-5 php5-6"
>>> #PHP_INI_VERSION="production"
>>> ACCEPT_LICENSE="${ACCEPT_LICENSE} googleearth PUEL dlj-1.1
>>> Oracle-BCLA-JavaSE"
>>>
>>> EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--autounmask-write=y --keep-going --with-bdeps=y
>>> --jobs 3"
>>>
>>> GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/
>>> http://gentoo.osuosl.org/
>>> ftp://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/
>>> http://linux.rz.ruhr-uni-b$
>>>
>>> PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
>>> PORTAGE_TMPFS="/dev/shm"
>>> PORTAGE_NICENESS=3
>>> AUTOCLEAN="yes"
>>>
>>> Why isn't "emerge --sync" working?
>>> It seems to me the chroot did not work correctly.
>>>
>>> This new manual is not compete and/or accurate :-/
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thelma
>>
>> Please sanitize your make.conf file.
>> I am seeing some lines ending with $.
>> Not all lines have the closing quotes.
>>
>> Your global USE flags contain some that no longer exist (Dale's favourite 
>> "hal" being one of them :)  )
>>
>> Also, I have 32GB ram in my desktop and I do have a swap partition. When I 
>> am working, it does get used.
>> Software keeps using more memory. So do 27 cc jobs (jobs 9 for make and jobs 
>> 3 for emerge).
>>
>> I would re-condiser not using swap unless you are certain you will never 
>> need more than 16gb. (Eg. No graphical desktop running a few webbrowsers)
>>
>> --
>> Joost
> 
> You might be correct, I'm reinstalling from fresh today so I'll put SWAP
> back.  Question, how much swap should I allocate?  Isn't the unwritten
> rule RAM * 2 so 32GB of swap 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[thelma]

On 02/04/2017 04:28 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 00:22:45 -0700, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> 
>> emerge --sync gives me error:
>> "/etc/portage/make.conf", line 11: Invalid variable name
>> '-Wl,--hash-style'
>>
>> Line 11 in make.conf:
>> USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl
>> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner
>> gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
>>
>> Here is complete make.conf
>>
>> CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe
>> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
>> #LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--hash-style=gnu"
>> MAKEOPTS="-j9"
>>
>> USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl
>> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner
>> gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
> 
> It reports line 11 because that's the end of the file, when the error
> becomes apparent. The actual error is the missing closing quote on
> CFLAGS.

Thanks Neil, yes somebody pointed out to me yesterday.  I guess I was
too in a rush yesterday trying to make it to work and during cut/past I
had missed this one.

--
Thelma

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[J. Roeleveld]

On Saturday, February 4, 2017 8:18:50 AM CET the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

> You might be correct, I'm reinstalling from fresh today so I'll put SWAP
> back.  Question, how much swap should I allocate?  Isn't the unwritten
> rule RAM * 2 so 32GB of swap partition? or RAM * 1.5

I wouldn't do that much. Immagine how much you need on a higher end server 
with 512MB :)

I have 32GB of ram.
8GB as swap.

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[thelma]

On 02/04/2017 01:20 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On February 4, 2017 8:22:45 AM GMT+01:00, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> On 02/03/2017 11:19 PM, Dale wrote:
>>> the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
 I've not install Gentoo for some time and have some questions.

 It is Solid State Disk 1TB
 I'm using Minimal CD (Bootable USB)
 Created three partition (I did not create SWAP as I have 16GB or
>> RAM)
 I used "fdisk" and follow the instruction from:
 https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks

 Though, I'm a bit confused. I did not see the change root command in
 those instructions.
 Right now I have a prompt: "livecd ~ #"

 and all instruction on the installation page showing: "root #"

 I've created a user: "livecd ~ #useradd -m -G users john"
 Will it take effect I'm still inside "livecd" environment.

 I'm confused a bit.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's been a while since I did a install as well plus I'm old as well.
>> I
>>> skimmed your link and don't think you should be creating a user at
>> that
>>> point.  If I recall correctly, creating users is done shortly before
>>> rebooting into the new install or even after rebooting.  Usually, I
>> do
>>> it after rebooting.  Generally, I'm more concerned with my new kernel
>>> booting etc rather than having a user account, besides root of
>> course. 
>>> Do set the root password BEFORE booting into the new install.  It
>> makes
>>> life easier.  ;-) 
>>>
>>> The chroot command usually comes shortly after downloading and
>> unpacking
>>> the stage3 tarball.  Until you have that, you don't have anything to
>>> chroot into yet. 
>>>
>>> I might add, I like a all in one page guide.  For me, it seems easier
>> to
>>> scroll down, do what is there, scroll down some more etc.  It being
>> in
>>> sections may be easier for you tho.  Use what works.  Also, I read
>> over
>>> the guide at least twice before I start.  The first time I did a
>> Gentoo
>>> install, I read it half a dozen times in some spots. 
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> :-)  :-) 
>>
>> Thanks Dale, that new installation is not going well.
>> I've change the environment and my prompt is still: "(chroot) livecd
>> /#"
>>
>> emerge --sync gives me error:
>> "/etc/portage/make.conf", line 11: Invalid variable name
>> '-Wl,--hash-style'
>>
>> Line 11 in make.conf:
>> USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl
>> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner
>> gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
>>
>> Here is complete make.conf
>>
>> CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe
>> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
>> #LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--hash-style=gnu"
>> MAKEOPTS="-j9"
>>
>> USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl
>> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner
>> gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
>>
>> CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
>> CPU_FLAGS_X86="3dnow 3dnowext mmx mmxext popcnt sse sse2 sse3 sse4a "
>>
>> PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
>> DISTDIR="${PORTDIR}/distfiles"
>> PKGDIR="${PORTDIR}/packages"
>>
>> INPUT_DEVICES="evdev"
>> LINGUAS="en"
>> L10N="en"
>> FEATURES="parallel-fetch strict fixlafiles"
>> #VIDEO_CARDS="fglrx radeon"
>> #VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia nouveau"
>> #SANE_BACKENDS="epson2"
>> #PHP_TARGETS="php5-5 php5-6"
>> #PHP_INI_VERSION="production"
>> ACCEPT_LICENSE="${ACCEPT_LICENSE} googleearth PUEL dlj-1.1
>> Oracle-BCLA-JavaSE"
>>
>> EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--autounmask-write=y --keep-going --with-bdeps=y
>> --jobs 3"
>>
>> GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/
>> http://gentoo.osuosl.org/
>> ftp://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/
>> http://linux.rz.ruhr-uni-b$
>>
>> PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
>> PORTAGE_TMPFS="/dev/shm"
>> PORTAGE_NICENESS=3
>> AUTOCLEAN="yes"
>>
>> Why isn't "emerge --sync" working?
>> It seems to me the chroot did not work correctly.
>>
>> This new manual is not compete and/or accurate :-/
>>
>> --
>> Thelma
> 
> Please sanitize your make.conf file.
> I am seeing some lines ending with $.
> Not all lines have the closing quotes.
> 
> Your global USE flags contain some that no longer exist (Dale's favourite 
> "hal" being one of them :)  )
> 
> Also, I have 32GB ram in my desktop and I do have a swap partition. When I am 
> working, it does get used.
> Software keeps using more memory. So do 27 cc jobs (jobs 9 for make and jobs 
> 3 for emerge).
> 
> I would re-condiser not using swap unless you are certain you will never need 
> more than 16gb. (Eg. No graphical desktop running a few webbrowsers)
> 
> --
> Joost

You might be correct, I'm reinstalling from fresh today so I'll put SWAP
back.  Question, how much swap should I allocate?  Isn't the unwritten
rule RAM * 2 so 32GB of swap partition? or RAM * 1.5

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[thelma]

On 02/04/2017 01:33 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
[snip]
>> [snip]
>>
>> This is my make.conf
>> # These settings were set by the catalyst build script that
>> automatically
>> # built this stage.
>> # Please consult /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example for a more
>> # detailed example.
>>
>> CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe
>> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
>> MAKEOPTS="-j9"
>>

[snip]
> 
> Check your CFLAGS line.
> 
> I am missing the quotation at the end there.
> 
> --
> Joost

Thank you for pointer, yes that might have been it.
As Mick suggested in next post. It was late; I'm upgrading old boxes
installing a Gentoo on a new one.  A bit too much in one day :-)

Need some rest.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
> On Saturday 04 Feb 2017 10:25:14 Mick wrote:
>> On Saturday 04 Feb 2017 03:43:16 Dale wrote:
>>> J. Roeleveld wrote:
 Please sanitize your make.conf file.
 I am seeing some lines ending with $.
 Not all lines have the closing quotes.

 Your global USE flags contain some that no longer exist (Dale's
 favourite
 "hal" being one of them :)  )

 Also, I have 32GB ram in my desktop and I do have a swap partition. When
 I
 am working, it does get used. Software keeps using more memory. So do 27
 cc jobs (jobs 9 for make and jobs 3 for emerge).

 I would re-condiser not using swap unless you are certain you will never
 need more than 16gb. (Eg. No graphical desktop running a few
 webbrowsers)

 --
 Joost
>>> I have 16GBs here and it uses swap more than I like.  I set swapiness to
>>> like 10, 5 or some really low number and it still runs low and has to
>>> use it.  It's usually during updates too.  If LOo and a web browser like
>>> Seamonkey or Firefox updates at the same time, it gets ugly, quick.  I'm
>>> wanting to upgrade to 32GBs now.  I suspect before long, that won't be
>>> enough either.  Then comes a new mobo, new ram, new CPU etc etc.  Oh
>>> crap, new install, bad wiki.  o_O
>>>
>>> Even if I upgrade to 32GBs, I'd still have swap.  It may only be a few
>>> GBs but I'll still have some.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> :-)  :-)
>> If the OP does not want to create a partition just for swap, a swap file
>> will do the same job.
> I forgot to mention, btrfs will not support swap files ... yet.  A different 
> fs type will be required in this case.


Yea, I've used that at times myself.  The biggest thing, don't run out
of memory and not have any swap.  Using swap is slow but it's better
than crashing.  I only have 1GB here.  At times, the swap file gets
added.  I should have made it bigger.  Live and learn.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 00:22:45 -0700, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

> emerge --sync gives me error:
> "/etc/portage/make.conf", line 11: Invalid variable name
> '-Wl,--hash-style'
> 
> Line 11 in make.conf:
> USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl
> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner
> gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
> 
> Here is complete make.conf
> 
> CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe
> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
> #LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--hash-style=gnu"
> MAKEOPTS="-j9"
> 
> USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl
> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner
> gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$

It reports line 11 because that's the end of the file, when the error
becomes apparent. The actual error is the missing closing quote on
CFLAGS.


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Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Mick]

On Saturday 04 Feb 2017 10:25:14 Mick wrote:
> On Saturday 04 Feb 2017 03:43:16 Dale wrote:
> > J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > > Please sanitize your make.conf file.
> > > I am seeing some lines ending with $.
> > > Not all lines have the closing quotes.
> > > 
> > > Your global USE flags contain some that no longer exist (Dale's
> > > favourite
> > > "hal" being one of them :)  )
> > > 
> > > Also, I have 32GB ram in my desktop and I do have a swap partition. When
> > > I
> > > am working, it does get used. Software keeps using more memory. So do 27
> > > cc jobs (jobs 9 for make and jobs 3 for emerge).
> > > 
> > > I would re-condiser not using swap unless you are certain you will never
> > > need more than 16gb. (Eg. No graphical desktop running a few
> > > webbrowsers)
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Joost
> > 
> > I have 16GBs here and it uses swap more than I like.  I set swapiness to
> > like 10, 5 or some really low number and it still runs low and has to
> > use it.  It's usually during updates too.  If LOo and a web browser like
> > Seamonkey or Firefox updates at the same time, it gets ugly, quick.  I'm
> > wanting to upgrade to 32GBs now.  I suspect before long, that won't be
> > enough either.  Then comes a new mobo, new ram, new CPU etc etc.  Oh
> > crap, new install, bad wiki.  o_O
> > 
> > Even if I upgrade to 32GBs, I'd still have swap.  It may only be a few
> > GBs but I'll still have some.
> > 
> > Dale
> > 
> > :-)  :-)
> 
> If the OP does not want to create a partition just for swap, a swap file
> will do the same job.

I forgot to mention, btrfs will not support swap files ... yet.  A different 
fs type will be required in this case.
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Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Mick]

On Saturday 04 Feb 2017 03:43:16 Dale wrote:
> J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > Please sanitize your make.conf file.
> > I am seeing some lines ending with $.
> > Not all lines have the closing quotes.
> > 
> > Your global USE flags contain some that no longer exist (Dale's favourite
> > "hal" being one of them :)  )
> > 
> > Also, I have 32GB ram in my desktop and I do have a swap partition. When I
> > am working, it does get used. Software keeps using more memory. So do 27
> > cc jobs (jobs 9 for make and jobs 3 for emerge).
> > 
> > I would re-condiser not using swap unless you are certain you will never
> > need more than 16gb. (Eg. No graphical desktop running a few webbrowsers)
> > 
> > --
> > Joost
> 
> I have 16GBs here and it uses swap more than I like.  I set swapiness to
> like 10, 5 or some really low number and it still runs low and has to
> use it.  It's usually during updates too.  If LOo and a web browser like
> Seamonkey or Firefox updates at the same time, it gets ugly, quick.  I'm
> wanting to upgrade to 32GBs now.  I suspect before long, that won't be
> enough either.  Then comes a new mobo, new ram, new CPU etc etc.  Oh
> crap, new install, bad wiki.  o_O
> 
> Even if I upgrade to 32GBs, I'd still have swap.  It may only be a few
> GBs but I'll still have some.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)

If the OP does not want to create a partition just for swap, a swap file will 
do the same job.
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Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Dale]

J. Roeleveld wrote:
>
> Please sanitize your make.conf file.
> I am seeing some lines ending with $.
> Not all lines have the closing quotes.
>
> Your global USE flags contain some that no longer exist (Dale's favourite 
> "hal" being one of them :)  )
>
> Also, I have 32GB ram in my desktop and I do have a swap partition. When I am 
> working, it does get used.
> Software keeps using more memory. So do 27 cc jobs (jobs 9 for make and jobs 
> 3 for emerge).
>
> I would re-condiser not using swap unless you are certain you will never need 
> more than 16gb. (Eg. No graphical desktop running a few webbrowsers)
>
> --
> Joost

I have 16GBs here and it uses swap more than I like.  I set swapiness to
like 10, 5 or some really low number and it still runs low and has to
use it.  It's usually during updates too.  If LOo and a web browser like
Seamonkey or Firefox updates at the same time, it gets ugly, quick.  I'm
wanting to upgrade to 32GBs now.  I suspect before long, that won't be
enough either.  Then comes a new mobo, new ram, new CPU etc etc.  Oh
crap, new install, bad wiki.  o_O 

Even if I upgrade to 32GBs, I'd still have swap.  It may only be a few
GBs but I'll still have some. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[J. Roeleveld]

>Thelma, you may be too tired or rushing through this exercise to pay
>enough 
>attention to important details.  Perhaps you need to take a break and
>revisit 
>it afresh later? 

This is one of the best advise ever :)

Never do an installation when tired or in a hurry.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Mick]

On Saturday 04 Feb 2017 01:24:05 the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> On 02/04/2017 12:48 AM, Dale wrote:
> > the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> >> On 02/03/2017 11:19 PM, Dale wrote:
> >>> the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>  I've not install Gentoo for some time and have some questions.
>  
>  It is Solid State Disk 1TB
>  I'm using Minimal CD (Bootable USB)
>  Created three partition (I did not create SWAP as I have 16GB or RAM)
>  I used "fdisk" and follow the instruction from:
>  https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks
>  
>  Though, I'm a bit confused. I did not see the change root command in
>  those instructions.
>  Right now I have a prompt: "livecd ~ #"
> 
> [snip]
> 
> This is my make.conf
> # These settings were set by the catalyst build script that automatically
> # built this stage.
> # Please consult /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example for a more
> # detailed example.
> 
> CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe

There is a double quotation mark " missing at the end of the above line.


> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
> MAKEOPTS="-j9"
> 
> USE="bindist"
> 
> # WARNING: Changing your CHOST is not something that should be done lightly.
> # Please consult http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/change-chost.xml before
> changing. CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
> # These are the USE and USE_EXPAND flags that were used for
> # buidling in addition to what is provided by the profile.
> 
> USE="bindist"

The above is a duplicate entry.


> PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
> DISTDIR="${PORTDIR}/distfiles"
> PKGDIR="${PORTDIR}/packages"
> 
> GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/
> http://gentoo.osuosl.org/;
> 
> INPUT_DEVICES="evdev"
> LINGUAS="en"
> L10N="en"
> 
> PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
> PORTAGE_TMPFS="/dev/shm"
> PORTAGE_NICENESS=3
> AUTOCLEAN="yes"
> 
> and emerge --sync is giving me an error:
> 
> "/etc/portage/make.conf", line 34: No closing quotation

Yes, I've noted the same above.


> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/lib/python-exec/python3.4/emerge", line 50, in 
> retval = emerge_main()
>   File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/_emerge/main.py", line 1196, in
> emerge_main action=myaction, args=myfiles, opts=myopts)
>   File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/portage/proxy/objectproxy.py",
> line 31, in __call__ return result(*args, **kwargs)
>   File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/_emerge/actions.py", line 2403,
> in load_emerge_config **kwargs)
>   File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/portage/__init__.py", line 585,
> in create_trees env=env, eprefix=eprefix)
>   File
> "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/portage/package/ebuild/config.py", line
> 358, in __init__ expand=make_conf, recursive=True)
>   File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/portage/util/__init__.py", line
> 659, in getconfig recursive=False) or {})
>   File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/portage/util/__init__.py", line
> 718, in getconfig key = _unicode_decode(lex.get_token())
>   File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/shlex.py", line 93, in get_token
> raw = self.read_token()
>   File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/shlex.py", line 169, in read_token
> raise ValueError("No closing quotation")
> ValueError: No closing quotation
> 
> There is nothing on line 34
> 
> --
> Thelma

Thelma, you may be too tired or rushing through this exercise to pay enough 
attention to important details.  Perhaps you need to take a break and revisit 
it afresh later? 
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Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[J. Roeleveld]

On February 4, 2017 9:24:05 AM GMT+01:00, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>On 02/04/2017 12:48 AM, Dale wrote:
>> the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>>> On 02/03/2017 11:19 PM, Dale wrote:
 the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> I've not install Gentoo for some time and have some questions.
>
> It is Solid State Disk 1TB
> I'm using Minimal CD (Bootable USB)
> Created three partition (I did not create SWAP as I have 16GB or
>RAM)
> I used "fdisk" and follow the instruction from:
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks
>
> Though, I'm a bit confused. I did not see the change root command
>in
> those instructions.
> Right now I have a prompt: "livecd ~ #"
>
>[snip]
>
>This is my make.conf
># These settings were set by the catalyst build script that
>automatically
># built this stage.
># Please consult /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example for a more
># detailed example.
>
>CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe
>CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
>MAKEOPTS="-j9"
>
>USE="bindist"
>
># WARNING: Changing your CHOST is not something that should be done
>lightly.
># Please consult http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/change-chost.xml before
>changing.
>CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
># These are the USE and USE_EXPAND flags that were used for
># buidling in addition to what is provided by the profile.
>
>USE="bindist"
>
>PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
>DISTDIR="${PORTDIR}/distfiles"
>PKGDIR="${PORTDIR}/packages"
>
>GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/
>http://gentoo.osuosl.org/;
>
>INPUT_DEVICES="evdev"
>LINGUAS="en"
>L10N="en"
>
>PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
>PORTAGE_TMPFS="/dev/shm"
>PORTAGE_NICENESS=3
>AUTOCLEAN="yes"
>
>and emerge --sync is giving me an error:
>
>"/etc/portage/make.conf", line 34: No closing quotation
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/lib/python-exec/python3.4/emerge", line 50, in 
>retval = emerge_main()
>File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/_emerge/main.py", line 1196,
>in emerge_main
>action=myaction, args=myfiles, opts=myopts)
>File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/portage/proxy/objectproxy.py",
>line 31, in __call__
>return result(*args, **kwargs)
>File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/_emerge/actions.py", line
>2403, in load_emerge_config
>**kwargs)
>File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/portage/__init__.py", line
>585, in create_trees
>env=env, eprefix=eprefix)
>File
>"/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/portage/package/ebuild/config.py",
>line 358, in __init__
>expand=make_conf, recursive=True)
>File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/portage/util/__init__.py",
>line 659, in getconfig
>recursive=False) or {})
>File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/portage/util/__init__.py",
>line 718, in getconfig
>key = _unicode_decode(lex.get_token())
>  File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/shlex.py", line 93, in get_token
>raw = self.read_token()
>  File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/shlex.py", line 169, in read_token
>raise ValueError("No closing quotation")
>ValueError: No closing quotation
>
>There is nothing on line 34
>
>--
>Thelma

Check your CFLAGS line.

I am missing the quotation at the end there.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[thelma]

On 02/04/2017 01:20 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On February 4, 2017 8:22:45 AM GMT+01:00, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> On 02/03/2017 11:19 PM, Dale wrote:
>>> the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
 I've not install Gentoo for some time and have some questions.

 It is Solid State Disk 1TB
 I'm using Minimal CD (Bootable USB)
 Created three partition (I did not create SWAP as I have 16GB or
>> RAM)
 I used "fdisk" and follow the instruction from:
 https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks

 Though, I'm a bit confused. I did not see the change root command in
 those instructions.
 Right now I have a prompt: "livecd ~ #"

 and all instruction on the installation page showing: "root #"

 I've created a user: "livecd ~ #useradd -m -G users john"
 Will it take effect I'm still inside "livecd" environment.

 I'm confused a bit.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's been a while since I did a install as well plus I'm old as well.
>> I
>>> skimmed your link and don't think you should be creating a user at
>> that
>>> point.  If I recall correctly, creating users is done shortly before
>>> rebooting into the new install or even after rebooting.  Usually, I
>> do
>>> it after rebooting.  Generally, I'm more concerned with my new kernel
>>> booting etc rather than having a user account, besides root of
>> course. 
>>> Do set the root password BEFORE booting into the new install.  It
>> makes
>>> life easier.  ;-) 
>>>
>>> The chroot command usually comes shortly after downloading and
>> unpacking
>>> the stage3 tarball.  Until you have that, you don't have anything to
>>> chroot into yet. 
>>>
>>> I might add, I like a all in one page guide.  For me, it seems easier
>> to
>>> scroll down, do what is there, scroll down some more etc.  It being
>> in
>>> sections may be easier for you tho.  Use what works.  Also, I read
>> over
>>> the guide at least twice before I start.  The first time I did a
>> Gentoo
>>> install, I read it half a dozen times in some spots. 
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> :-)  :-) 
>>
>> Thanks Dale, that new installation is not going well.
>> I've change the environment and my prompt is still: "(chroot) livecd
>> /#"
>>
>> emerge --sync gives me error:
>> "/etc/portage/make.conf", line 11: Invalid variable name
>> '-Wl,--hash-style'
>>
>> Line 11 in make.conf:
>> USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl
>> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner
>> gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
>>
>> Here is complete make.conf
>>
>> CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe
>> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
>> #LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--hash-style=gnu"
>> MAKEOPTS="-j9"
>>
>> USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl
>> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner
>> gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
>>
>> CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
>> CPU_FLAGS_X86="3dnow 3dnowext mmx mmxext popcnt sse sse2 sse3 sse4a "
>>
>> PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
>> DISTDIR="${PORTDIR}/distfiles"
>> PKGDIR="${PORTDIR}/packages"
>>
>> INPUT_DEVICES="evdev"
>> LINGUAS="en"
>> L10N="en"
>> FEATURES="parallel-fetch strict fixlafiles"
>> #VIDEO_CARDS="fglrx radeon"
>> #VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia nouveau"
>> #SANE_BACKENDS="epson2"
>> #PHP_TARGETS="php5-5 php5-6"
>> #PHP_INI_VERSION="production"
>> ACCEPT_LICENSE="${ACCEPT_LICENSE} googleearth PUEL dlj-1.1
>> Oracle-BCLA-JavaSE"
>>
>> EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--autounmask-write=y --keep-going --with-bdeps=y
>> --jobs 3"
>>
>> GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/
>> http://gentoo.osuosl.org/
>> ftp://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/
>> http://linux.rz.ruhr-uni-b$
>>
>> PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
>> PORTAGE_TMPFS="/dev/shm"
>> PORTAGE_NICENESS=3
>> AUTOCLEAN="yes"
>>
>> Why isn't "emerge --sync" working?
>> It seems to me the chroot did not work correctly.
>>
>> This new manual is not compete and/or accurate :-/
>>
>> --
>> Thelma
> 
> Please sanitize your make.conf file.
> I am seeing some lines ending with $.
> Not all lines have the closing quotes.
> 
> Your global USE flags contain some that no longer exist (Dale's favourite 
> "hal" being one of them :)  )
> 
> Also, I have 32GB ram in my desktop and I do have a swap partition. When I am 
> working, it does get used.
> Software keeps using more memory. So do 27 cc jobs (jobs 9 for make and jobs 
> 3 for emerge).
> 
> I would re-condiser not using swap unless you are certain you will never need 
> more than 16gb. (Eg. No graphical desktop running a few webbrowsers)
> 
> --
> Joost

Good suggestion. I'll start from scratch tomorrow.
Most of the make.conf I just copied from my old working system :-/

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[thelma]

On 02/04/2017 12:48 AM, Dale wrote:
> the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> On 02/03/2017 11:19 PM, Dale wrote:
>>> the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
 I've not install Gentoo for some time and have some questions.

 It is Solid State Disk 1TB
 I'm using Minimal CD (Bootable USB)
 Created three partition (I did not create SWAP as I have 16GB or RAM)
 I used "fdisk" and follow the instruction from:
 https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks

 Though, I'm a bit confused. I did not see the change root command in
 those instructions.
 Right now I have a prompt: "livecd ~ #"

[snip]

This is my make.conf
# These settings were set by the catalyst build script that automatically
# built this stage.
# Please consult /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example for a more
# detailed example.

CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
MAKEOPTS="-j9"

USE="bindist"

# WARNING: Changing your CHOST is not something that should be done lightly.
# Please consult http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/change-chost.xml before changing.
CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
# These are the USE and USE_EXPAND flags that were used for
# buidling in addition to what is provided by the profile.

USE="bindist"

PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
DISTDIR="${PORTDIR}/distfiles"
PKGDIR="${PORTDIR}/packages"

GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/ 
http://gentoo.osuosl.org/;

INPUT_DEVICES="evdev"
LINGUAS="en"
L10N="en"

PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
PORTAGE_TMPFS="/dev/shm"
PORTAGE_NICENESS=3
AUTOCLEAN="yes"

and emerge --sync is giving me an error:

"/etc/portage/make.conf", line 34: No closing quotation
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python-exec/python3.4/emerge", line 50, in 
retval = emerge_main()
  File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/_emerge/main.py", line 1196, in 
emerge_main
action=myaction, args=myfiles, opts=myopts)
  File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/portage/proxy/objectproxy.py", line 
31, in __call__
return result(*args, **kwargs)
  File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/_emerge/actions.py", line 2403, in 
load_emerge_config
**kwargs)
  File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/portage/__init__.py", line 585, in 
create_trees
env=env, eprefix=eprefix)
  File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/portage/package/ebuild/config.py", 
line 358, in __init__
expand=make_conf, recursive=True)
  File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/portage/util/__init__.py", line 659, 
in getconfig
recursive=False) or {})
  File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/portage/util/__init__.py", line 718, 
in getconfig
key = _unicode_decode(lex.get_token())
  File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/shlex.py", line 93, in get_token
raw = self.read_token()
  File "/usr/lib64/python3.4/shlex.py", line 169, in read_token
raise ValueError("No closing quotation")
ValueError: No closing quotation

There is nothing on line 34

--
Thelma

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[J. Roeleveld]

On February 4, 2017 8:22:45 AM GMT+01:00, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>On 02/03/2017 11:19 PM, Dale wrote:
>> the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>>> I've not install Gentoo for some time and have some questions.
>>>
>>> It is Solid State Disk 1TB
>>> I'm using Minimal CD (Bootable USB)
>>> Created three partition (I did not create SWAP as I have 16GB or
>RAM)
>>> I used "fdisk" and follow the instruction from:
>>> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks
>>>
>>> Though, I'm a bit confused. I did not see the change root command in
>>> those instructions.
>>> Right now I have a prompt: "livecd ~ #"
>>>
>>> and all instruction on the installation page showing: "root #"
>>>
>>> I've created a user: "livecd ~ #useradd -m -G users john"
>>> Will it take effect I'm still inside "livecd" environment.
>>>
>>> I'm confused a bit.
>> 
>> 
>> It's been a while since I did a install as well plus I'm old as well.
> I
>> skimmed your link and don't think you should be creating a user at
>that
>> point.  If I recall correctly, creating users is done shortly before
>> rebooting into the new install or even after rebooting.  Usually, I
>do
>> it after rebooting.  Generally, I'm more concerned with my new kernel
>> booting etc rather than having a user account, besides root of
>course. 
>> Do set the root password BEFORE booting into the new install.  It
>makes
>> life easier.  ;-) 
>> 
>> The chroot command usually comes shortly after downloading and
>unpacking
>> the stage3 tarball.  Until you have that, you don't have anything to
>> chroot into yet. 
>> 
>> I might add, I like a all in one page guide.  For me, it seems easier
>to
>> scroll down, do what is there, scroll down some more etc.  It being
>in
>> sections may be easier for you tho.  Use what works.  Also, I read
>over
>> the guide at least twice before I start.  The first time I did a
>Gentoo
>> install, I read it half a dozen times in some spots. 
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> Dale
>> 
>> :-)  :-) 
>
>Thanks Dale, that new installation is not going well.
>I've change the environment and my prompt is still: "(chroot) livecd
>/#"
> 
>emerge --sync gives me error:
>"/etc/portage/make.conf", line 11: Invalid variable name
>'-Wl,--hash-style'
>
>Line 11 in make.conf:
>USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl
>foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner
>gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
>
>Here is complete make.conf
>
>CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe
>CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
>#LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--hash-style=gnu"
>MAKEOPTS="-j9"
>
>USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl
>foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner
>gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
>
>CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
>CPU_FLAGS_X86="3dnow 3dnowext mmx mmxext popcnt sse sse2 sse3 sse4a "
>
>PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
>DISTDIR="${PORTDIR}/distfiles"
>PKGDIR="${PORTDIR}/packages"
>
>INPUT_DEVICES="evdev"
>LINGUAS="en"
>L10N="en"
>FEATURES="parallel-fetch strict fixlafiles"
>#VIDEO_CARDS="fglrx radeon"
>#VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia nouveau"
>#SANE_BACKENDS="epson2"
>#PHP_TARGETS="php5-5 php5-6"
>#PHP_INI_VERSION="production"
>ACCEPT_LICENSE="${ACCEPT_LICENSE} googleearth PUEL dlj-1.1
>Oracle-BCLA-JavaSE"
>
>EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--autounmask-write=y --keep-going --with-bdeps=y
>--jobs 3"
>
>GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/
>http://gentoo.osuosl.org/
>ftp://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/
>http://linux.rz.ruhr-uni-b$
>
>PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
>PORTAGE_TMPFS="/dev/shm"
>PORTAGE_NICENESS=3
>AUTOCLEAN="yes"
>
>Why isn't "emerge --sync" working?
>It seems to me the chroot did not work correctly.
>
>This new manual is not compete and/or accurate :-/
>
>--
>Thelma

Please sanitize your make.conf file.
I am seeing some lines ending with $.
Not all lines have the closing quotes.

Your global USE flags contain some that no longer exist (Dale's favourite "hal" 
being one of them :)  )

Also, I have 32GB ram in my desktop and I do have a swap partition. When I am 
working, it does get used.
Software keeps using more memory. So do 27 cc jobs (jobs 9 for make and jobs 3 
for emerge).

I would re-condiser not using swap unless you are certain you will never need 
more than 16gb. (Eg. No graphical desktop running a few webbrowsers)

--
Joost
-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Mick]

On Saturday 04 Feb 2017 01:12:43 the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> On 02/04/2017 12:48 AM, Dale wrote:
> > the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> >> On 02/03/2017 11:19 PM, Dale wrote:
> >>> the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>  I've not install Gentoo for some time and have some questions.
>  
>  It is Solid State Disk 1TB
>  I'm using Minimal CD (Bootable USB)
>  Created three partition (I did not create SWAP as I have 16GB or RAM)
>  I used "fdisk" and follow the instruction from:
>  https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks
>  
>  Though, I'm a bit confused. I did not see the change root command in
>  those instructions.
>  Right now I have a prompt: "livecd ~ #"
>  
>  and all instruction on the installation page showing: "root #"
>  
>  I've created a user: "livecd ~ #useradd -m -G users john"
>  Will it take effect I'm still inside "livecd" environment.
>  
>  I'm confused a bit.
> >>> 
> >>> It's been a while since I did a install as well plus I'm old as well.  I
> >>> skimmed your link and don't think you should be creating a user at that
> >>> point.  If I recall correctly, creating users is done shortly before
> >>> rebooting into the new install or even after rebooting.  Usually, I do
> >>> it after rebooting.  Generally, I'm more concerned with my new kernel
> >>> booting etc rather than having a user account, besides root of course.
> >>> Do set the root password BEFORE booting into the new install.  It makes
> >>> life easier.  ;-)
> >>> 
> >>> The chroot command usually comes shortly after downloading and unpacking
> >>> the stage3 tarball.  Until you have that, you don't have anything to
> >>> chroot into yet.
> >>> 
> >>> I might add, I like a all in one page guide.  For me, it seems easier to
> >>> scroll down, do what is there, scroll down some more etc.  It being in
> >>> sections may be easier for you tho.  Use what works.  Also, I read over
> >>> the guide at least twice before I start.  The first time I did a Gentoo
> >>> install, I read it half a dozen times in some spots.
> >>> 
> >>> Hope that helps.
> >>> 
> >>> Dale
> >>> 
> >>> :-)  :-)
> >> 
> >> Thanks Dale, that new installation is not going well.
> >> I've change the environment and my prompt is still: "(chroot) livecd /#"
> >> 
> >> emerge --sync gives me error:
> >> "/etc/portage/make.conf", line 11: Invalid variable name
> >> '-Wl,--hash-style'
> >> 
> >> Line 11 in make.conf:
> >> USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl
> >> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner
> >> gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
> >> 
> >> Here is complete make.conf
> >> 
> >> CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe
> >> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
> >> #LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--hash-style=gnu"
> >> MAKEOPTS="-j9"
> >> 
> >> USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl
> >> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner
> >> gimp gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
> >> 
> >> CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
> >> CPU_FLAGS_X86="3dnow 3dnowext mmx mmxext popcnt sse sse2 sse3 sse4a "
> >> 
> >> PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
> >> DISTDIR="${PORTDIR}/distfiles"
> >> PKGDIR="${PORTDIR}/packages"
> >> 
> >> INPUT_DEVICES="evdev"
> >> LINGUAS="en"
> >> L10N="en"
> >> FEATURES="parallel-fetch strict fixlafiles"
> >> #VIDEO_CARDS="fglrx radeon"
> >> #VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia nouveau"
> >> #SANE_BACKENDS="epson2"
> >> #PHP_TARGETS="php5-5 php5-6"
> >> #PHP_INI_VERSION="production"
> >> ACCEPT_LICENSE="${ACCEPT_LICENSE} googleearth PUEL dlj-1.1
> >> Oracle-BCLA-JavaSE"
> >> 
> >> EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--autounmask-write=y --keep-going --with-bdeps=y
> >> --jobs 3"
> >> 
> >> GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/
> >> http://gentoo.osuosl.org/
> >> ftp://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/
> >> http://linux.rz.ruhr-uni-b$
> >> 
> >> PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
> >> PORTAGE_TMPFS="/dev/shm"
> >> PORTAGE_NICENESS=3
> >> AUTOCLEAN="yes"
> >> 
> >> Why isn't "emerge --sync" working?
> >> It seems to me the chroot did not work correctly.
> >> 
> >> This new manual is not compete and/or accurate :-/
> >> 
> >> --
> >> Thelma
> > 
> > On the USE line, what is that t$ on the end?  Never seen that before.
> > Don't forget to do the close quote on the end too.  I don't see that
> > there.  That could cause issues.  I'm not familiar with the hash part it
> > is complaining about.  I do know this.  The number 1 and the letter l
> > look a awful lot alike on some fonts.  Make sure you get the right one
> > on that.  Same for the number 0 and the letter O as well.  It will get
> > the best of us all at times.  I've been known to cheat and use copy and
> > paste.  That takes out the person in the chair error.  :-D
> > 
> > I did the last install a few years ago which I think was before the move
> > to the wiki thing.  I went digging around.  I hope I don't have to do a
> > install anytime soon. 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[thelma]

On 02/04/2017 12:48 AM, Dale wrote:
> the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> On 02/03/2017 11:19 PM, Dale wrote:
>>> the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
 I've not install Gentoo for some time and have some questions.

 It is Solid State Disk 1TB
 I'm using Minimal CD (Bootable USB)
 Created three partition (I did not create SWAP as I have 16GB or RAM)
 I used "fdisk" and follow the instruction from:
 https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks

 Though, I'm a bit confused. I did not see the change root command in
 those instructions.
 Right now I have a prompt: "livecd ~ #"

 and all instruction on the installation page showing: "root #"

 I've created a user: "livecd ~ #useradd -m -G users john"
 Will it take effect I'm still inside "livecd" environment.

 I'm confused a bit.
>>>
>>> It's been a while since I did a install as well plus I'm old as well.  I
>>> skimmed your link and don't think you should be creating a user at that
>>> point.  If I recall correctly, creating users is done shortly before
>>> rebooting into the new install or even after rebooting.  Usually, I do
>>> it after rebooting.  Generally, I'm more concerned with my new kernel
>>> booting etc rather than having a user account, besides root of course. 
>>> Do set the root password BEFORE booting into the new install.  It makes
>>> life easier.  ;-) 
>>>
>>> The chroot command usually comes shortly after downloading and unpacking
>>> the stage3 tarball.  Until you have that, you don't have anything to
>>> chroot into yet. 
>>>
>>> I might add, I like a all in one page guide.  For me, it seems easier to
>>> scroll down, do what is there, scroll down some more etc.  It being in
>>> sections may be easier for you tho.  Use what works.  Also, I read over
>>> the guide at least twice before I start.  The first time I did a Gentoo
>>> install, I read it half a dozen times in some spots. 
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> :-)  :-) 
>> Thanks Dale, that new installation is not going well.
>> I've change the environment and my prompt is still: "(chroot) livecd /#"
>>  
>> emerge --sync gives me error:
>> "/etc/portage/make.conf", line 11: Invalid variable name '-Wl,--hash-style'
>>
>> Line 11 in make.conf:
>> USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl 
>> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner gimp 
>> gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
>>
>> Here is complete make.conf
>>
>> CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe
>> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
>> #LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--hash-style=gnu"
>> MAKEOPTS="-j9"
>>
>> USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl 
>> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner gimp 
>> gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
>>
>> CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
>> CPU_FLAGS_X86="3dnow 3dnowext mmx mmxext popcnt sse sse2 sse3 sse4a "
>>
>> PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
>> DISTDIR="${PORTDIR}/distfiles"
>> PKGDIR="${PORTDIR}/packages"
>>
>> INPUT_DEVICES="evdev"
>> LINGUAS="en"
>> L10N="en"
>> FEATURES="parallel-fetch strict fixlafiles"
>> #VIDEO_CARDS="fglrx radeon"
>> #VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia nouveau"
>> #SANE_BACKENDS="epson2"
>> #PHP_TARGETS="php5-5 php5-6"
>> #PHP_INI_VERSION="production"
>> ACCEPT_LICENSE="${ACCEPT_LICENSE} googleearth PUEL dlj-1.1 
>> Oracle-BCLA-JavaSE"
>>
>> EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--autounmask-write=y --keep-going --with-bdeps=y --jobs 
>> 3"
>>
>> GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/ 
>> http://gentoo.osuosl.org/ ftp://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/ 
>> http://linux.rz.ruhr-uni-b$
>>
>> PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
>> PORTAGE_TMPFS="/dev/shm"
>> PORTAGE_NICENESS=3
>> AUTOCLEAN="yes"
>>
>> Why isn't "emerge --sync" working?
>> It seems to me the chroot did not work correctly.
>>
>> This new manual is not compete and/or accurate :-/
>>
>> --
>> Thelma
>>
> 
> On the USE line, what is that t$ on the end?  Never seen that before. 
> Don't forget to do the close quote on the end too.  I don't see that
> there.  That could cause issues.  I'm not familiar with the hash part it
> is complaining about.  I do know this.  The number 1 and the letter l
> look a awful lot alike on some fonts.  Make sure you get the right one
> on that.  Same for the number 0 and the letter O as well.  It will get
> the best of us all at times.  I've been known to cheat and use copy and
> paste.  That takes out the person in the chair error.  :-D 
> 
> I did the last install a few years ago which I think was before the move
> to the wiki thing.  I went digging around.  I hope I don't have to do a
> install anytime soon.  I may refer back to my old printout in the shed. 
> I'm not a big fan of the new thing either.  I did find this tho.
> 
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Complete_Handbook
> 
> If you scroll down to the installing section, you may can find something
> better there.  I hope you do because so far, I'm liking my old printout
> 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Dale]

the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> On 02/03/2017 11:19 PM, Dale wrote:
>> the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>>> I've not install Gentoo for some time and have some questions.
>>>
>>> It is Solid State Disk 1TB
>>> I'm using Minimal CD (Bootable USB)
>>> Created three partition (I did not create SWAP as I have 16GB or RAM)
>>> I used "fdisk" and follow the instruction from:
>>> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks
>>>
>>> Though, I'm a bit confused. I did not see the change root command in
>>> those instructions.
>>> Right now I have a prompt: "livecd ~ #"
>>>
>>> and all instruction on the installation page showing: "root #"
>>>
>>> I've created a user: "livecd ~ #useradd -m -G users john"
>>> Will it take effect I'm still inside "livecd" environment.
>>>
>>> I'm confused a bit.
>>
>> It's been a while since I did a install as well plus I'm old as well.  I
>> skimmed your link and don't think you should be creating a user at that
>> point.  If I recall correctly, creating users is done shortly before
>> rebooting into the new install or even after rebooting.  Usually, I do
>> it after rebooting.  Generally, I'm more concerned with my new kernel
>> booting etc rather than having a user account, besides root of course. 
>> Do set the root password BEFORE booting into the new install.  It makes
>> life easier.  ;-) 
>>
>> The chroot command usually comes shortly after downloading and unpacking
>> the stage3 tarball.  Until you have that, you don't have anything to
>> chroot into yet. 
>>
>> I might add, I like a all in one page guide.  For me, it seems easier to
>> scroll down, do what is there, scroll down some more etc.  It being in
>> sections may be easier for you tho.  Use what works.  Also, I read over
>> the guide at least twice before I start.  The first time I did a Gentoo
>> install, I read it half a dozen times in some spots. 
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-) 
> Thanks Dale, that new installation is not going well.
> I've change the environment and my prompt is still: "(chroot) livecd /#"
>  
> emerge --sync gives me error:
> "/etc/portage/make.conf", line 11: Invalid variable name '-Wl,--hash-style'
>
> Line 11 in make.conf:
> USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl 
> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner gimp 
> gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
>
> Here is complete make.conf
>
> CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe
> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
> #LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--hash-style=gnu"
> MAKEOPTS="-j9"
>
> USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl 
> foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner gimp 
> gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$
>
> CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
> CPU_FLAGS_X86="3dnow 3dnowext mmx mmxext popcnt sse sse2 sse3 sse4a "
>
> PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
> DISTDIR="${PORTDIR}/distfiles"
> PKGDIR="${PORTDIR}/packages"
>
> INPUT_DEVICES="evdev"
> LINGUAS="en"
> L10N="en"
> FEATURES="parallel-fetch strict fixlafiles"
> #VIDEO_CARDS="fglrx radeon"
> #VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia nouveau"
> #SANE_BACKENDS="epson2"
> #PHP_TARGETS="php5-5 php5-6"
> #PHP_INI_VERSION="production"
> ACCEPT_LICENSE="${ACCEPT_LICENSE} googleearth PUEL dlj-1.1 Oracle-BCLA-JavaSE"
>
> EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--autounmask-write=y --keep-going --with-bdeps=y --jobs 
> 3"
>
> GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/ 
> http://gentoo.osuosl.org/ ftp://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/ 
> http://linux.rz.ruhr-uni-b$
>
> PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
> PORTAGE_TMPFS="/dev/shm"
> PORTAGE_NICENESS=3
> AUTOCLEAN="yes"
>
> Why isn't "emerge --sync" working?
> It seems to me the chroot did not work correctly.
>
> This new manual is not compete and/or accurate :-/
>
> --
> Thelma
>

On the USE line, what is that t$ on the end?  Never seen that before. 
Don't forget to do the close quote on the end too.  I don't see that
there.  That could cause issues.  I'm not familiar with the hash part it
is complaining about.  I do know this.  The number 1 and the letter l
look a awful lot alike on some fonts.  Make sure you get the right one
on that.  Same for the number 0 and the letter O as well.  It will get
the best of us all at times.  I've been known to cheat and use copy and
paste.  That takes out the person in the chair error.  :-D 

I did the last install a few years ago which I think was before the move
to the wiki thing.  I went digging around.  I hope I don't have to do a
install anytime soon.  I may refer back to my old printout in the shed. 
I'm not a big fan of the new thing either.  I did find this tho.

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Complete_Handbook

If you scroll down to the installing section, you may can find something
better there.  I hope you do because so far, I'm liking my old printout
more and more. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[thelma]

On 02/03/2017 11:19 PM, Dale wrote:
> the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> I've not install Gentoo for some time and have some questions.
>>
>> It is Solid State Disk 1TB
>> I'm using Minimal CD (Bootable USB)
>> Created three partition (I did not create SWAP as I have 16GB or RAM)
>> I used "fdisk" and follow the instruction from:
>> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks
>>
>> Though, I'm a bit confused. I did not see the change root command in
>> those instructions.
>> Right now I have a prompt: "livecd ~ #"
>>
>> and all instruction on the installation page showing: "root #"
>>
>> I've created a user: "livecd ~ #useradd -m -G users john"
>> Will it take effect I'm still inside "livecd" environment.
>>
>> I'm confused a bit.
> 
> 
> It's been a while since I did a install as well plus I'm old as well.  I
> skimmed your link and don't think you should be creating a user at that
> point.  If I recall correctly, creating users is done shortly before
> rebooting into the new install or even after rebooting.  Usually, I do
> it after rebooting.  Generally, I'm more concerned with my new kernel
> booting etc rather than having a user account, besides root of course. 
> Do set the root password BEFORE booting into the new install.  It makes
> life easier.  ;-) 
> 
> The chroot command usually comes shortly after downloading and unpacking
> the stage3 tarball.  Until you have that, you don't have anything to
> chroot into yet. 
> 
> I might add, I like a all in one page guide.  For me, it seems easier to
> scroll down, do what is there, scroll down some more etc.  It being in
> sections may be easier for you tho.  Use what works.  Also, I read over
> the guide at least twice before I start.  The first time I did a Gentoo
> install, I read it half a dozen times in some spots. 
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 

Thanks Dale, that new installation is not going well.
I've change the environment and my prompt is still: "(chroot) livecd /#"
 
emerge --sync gives me error:
"/etc/portage/make.conf", line 11: Invalid variable name '-Wl,--hash-style'

Line 11 in make.conf:
USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl 
foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner gimp 
gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$

Here is complete make.conf

CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
#LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--hash-style=gnu"
MAKEOPTS="-j9"

USE="-qt4 -hal -arts -berkdb -acl X gtk dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl 
foomaticdb truetype kpathsea ppds mysql udev java tiff png usb  scanner gimp 
gimpprint cgi fam nptl t$

CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
CPU_FLAGS_X86="3dnow 3dnowext mmx mmxext popcnt sse sse2 sse3 sse4a "

PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
DISTDIR="${PORTDIR}/distfiles"
PKGDIR="${PORTDIR}/packages"

INPUT_DEVICES="evdev"
LINGUAS="en"
L10N="en"
FEATURES="parallel-fetch strict fixlafiles"
#VIDEO_CARDS="fglrx radeon"
#VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia nouveau"
#SANE_BACKENDS="epson2"
#PHP_TARGETS="php5-5 php5-6"
#PHP_INI_VERSION="production"
ACCEPT_LICENSE="${ACCEPT_LICENSE} googleearth PUEL dlj-1.1 Oracle-BCLA-JavaSE"

EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--autounmask-write=y --keep-going --with-bdeps=y --jobs 3"

GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/ 
http://gentoo.osuosl.org/ ftp://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/ 
http://linux.rz.ruhr-uni-b$

PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
PORTAGE_TMPFS="/dev/shm"
PORTAGE_NICENESS=3
AUTOCLEAN="yes"

Why isn't "emerge --sync" working?
It seems to me the chroot did not work correctly.

This new manual is not compete and/or accurate :-/

--
Thelma

Re: [gentoo-user] New Installation

[Dale]

the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> I've not install Gentoo for some time and have some questions.
>
> It is Solid State Disk 1TB
> I'm using Minimal CD (Bootable USB)
> Created three partition (I did not create SWAP as I have 16GB or RAM)
> I used "fdisk" and follow the instruction from:
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks
>
> Though, I'm a bit confused. I did not see the change root command in
> those instructions.
> Right now I have a prompt: "livecd ~ #"
>
> and all instruction on the installation page showing: "root #"
>
> I've created a user: "livecd ~ #useradd -m -G users john"
> Will it take effect I'm still inside "livecd" environment.
>
> I'm confused a bit.


It's been a while since I did a install as well plus I'm old as well.  I
skimmed your link and don't think you should be creating a user at that
point.  If I recall correctly, creating users is done shortly before
rebooting into the new install or even after rebooting.  Usually, I do
it after rebooting.  Generally, I'm more concerned with my new kernel
booting etc rather than having a user account, besides root of course. 
Do set the root password BEFORE booting into the new install.  It makes
life easier.  ;-) 

The chroot command usually comes shortly after downloading and unpacking
the stage3 tarball.  Until you have that, you don't have anything to
chroot into yet. 

I might add, I like a all in one page guide.  For me, it seems easier to
scroll down, do what is there, scroll down some more etc.  It being in
sections may be easier for you tho.  Use what works.  Also, I read over
the guide at least twice before I start.  The first time I did a Gentoo
install, I read it half a dozen times in some spots. 

Hope that helps.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - partitions

[Håkon Alstadheim]

On 05. sep. 2014 04:44, Daniel Frey wrote:
It is possible to boot in EFI mode off of a USB, as I used a Mint ISO 
to boot from in EFI mode. I would presume the USB needs to have the 
FAT partition that EFI requires. Dan 
Sounds good. Having /boot on a stick makes it easy to have whatever I 
might need available when my fancy-schmanzy root-fs fails to show up at 
boot :-) .
Always have a known good kernel and initramfs to fall back on, and tuck 
away some extra tools on the stick. Put some (statically linked) 
*parted,lvm,md and formatting binaries on there and you can easily 
rearrange things before mounting the root fs.

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - partitions

[Alexander Kapshuk]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have a new SSD 480GB drive and I'm trying to partition it.  It was some
 time before I went through this so I found this information:
 http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/SSD

 But they omitted the Boot partition.
  Device   Start  End   Size Type
  /dev/sda1 2048 6143 2M BIOS boot partition
  /dev/sda2 6144  4200447 2G Linux swap
  /dev/sda3  4200448117231374  53.9G Linux filesystem

 There is Bios Boot 2MB but no Boot partition where kernel is located.

 The instruction from official Gentoo web-page is difference from display I'm
 getting on my screen when I use fdisk
 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?part=1chap=4

 I don't have an option of extended partition not can I make Boot partition
 /dev/sda2 (128MB) bootable by pressing a in fdisk.

 --
 Joseph


While not an SSD user, I too had to set up gentoo from scratch on a
laptop recently. I followed the disk partitioning instructions given
in the handbook, with the following partitions created:

Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1 1 3  5198+  ef  EFI (FAT-12/16/32)
/dev/sda2   * 314105808+  83  Linux
/dev/sda31581506520   82  Linux swap
/dev/sda482  3876  28690200   83  Linux

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - partitions

[Christian Kruse]

Hi,

At Wed, 3 Sep 2014 22:30:32 -0600, Joseph wrote:
 But they omitted the Boot partition.
  Device   Start  End   Size Type
  /dev/sda1 2048 6143 2M BIOS boot partition
  /dev/sda2 6144  4200447 2G Linux swap
  /dev/sda3  4200448117231374  53.9G Linux filesystem

 There is Bios Boot 2MB but no Boot partition where kernel is located.

The 2M partition is the boot partition. But it is much to small, I've
been re-sizing it to 1G. That's more than enough for the initrd image,
grub and the kernel.

By the way, keep in mind that if you plan to use suspend to disk you
will need 2x RAM disk space on swap in the worst case.

Best regards,
--
Christian Kruse
http://ck.kennt-wayne.de/


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Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - partitions

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 22:30:32 -0600, Joseph wrote:

 I have a new SSD 480GB drive and I'm trying to partition it.  It was
 some time before I went through this so I found this information:
 http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/SSD
 
 But they omitted the Boot partition.
   Device   Start  End   Size Type
   /dev/sda1 2048 6143 2M BIOS boot partition
   /dev/sda2 6144  4200447 2G Linux swap
   /dev/sda3  4200448117231374  53.9G Linux filesystem
 
 There is Bios Boot 2MB but no Boot partition where kernel is located.

The BIOS boot partition is there to enable a non-EFI system to boot from
a GPT partitioned disk, it is not the same as /boot. If you want a
separate /boot, it is not a requirement, you need to create is as a
separate partition, like this

% sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda

Disk /dev/sda: 2.7 TiB, 3000592982016 bytes, 5860533168 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
Disklabel type: gpt
Disk identifier: 04EFD165-FDDF-4C24-BA81-868B97BF9949

Device   Start  End   Size Type
/dev/sda1 2048 4095 1M BIOS boot partition
/dev/sda2 4096  2101247 1G Linux filesystem
/dev/sda3  2101248 3565567916G Linux swap
/dev/sda4 35655680   5860533134   2.7T Linux filesystem

Here sda1 is the BIOS boot and sda2 is /boot.

 The instruction from official Gentoo web-page is difference from
 display I'm getting on my screen when I use fdisk
 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?part=1chap=4

If you are using GPT partitons, and you should, gdisk is the tool to use
(emerge sys-apps/gptfdisk).

 I don't have an option of extended partition not can I make Boot
 partition /dev/sda2 (128MB) bootable by pressing a in fdisk.

GPT is not hindered by any of that legacy 4 partitions is enough for
anyone so lets kludge in some more crap, you just create partitions.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

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Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - partitions

[J. Roeleveld]

On Thursday, September 04, 2014 09:01:41 AM Christian Kruse wrote:
 Hi,
 
 At Wed, 3 Sep 2014 22:30:32 -0600, Joseph wrote:
  But they omitted the Boot partition.
  
   Device   Start  End   Size Type
   /dev/sda1 2048 6143 2M BIOS boot partition
   /dev/sda2 6144  4200447 2G Linux swap
   /dev/sda3  4200448117231374  53.9G Linux filesystem
  
  There is Bios Boot 2MB but no Boot partition where kernel is located.
 
 The 2M partition is the boot partition. But it is much to small, I've
 been re-sizing it to 1G. That's more than enough for the initrd image,
 grub and the kernel.
 
 By the way, keep in mind that if you plan to use suspend to disk you
 will need 2x RAM disk space on swap in the worst case.

No you don't.

I have 16GB RAM in my laptop and my swap partition is 17GB.

Just make sure you create a file like:
***
$ cat /etc/local.d/suspend_image_size.start 
#!/bin/sh
#
echo 0  /sys/power/image_size
***

And make this executable.

This fixes the problem I had that I couldn't suspend to disk when using 
more then half the memory.

With this, I never have an issue with hibernate.

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - partitions

[Joseph]

On 09/04/14 09:53, Alexander Kapshuk wrote:

On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a new SSD 480GB drive and I'm trying to partition it.  It was some
time before I went through this so I found this information:
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/SSD

But they omitted the Boot partition.
 Device   Start  End   Size Type
 /dev/sda1 2048 6143 2M BIOS boot partition
 /dev/sda2 6144  4200447 2G Linux swap
 /dev/sda3  4200448117231374  53.9G Linux filesystem

There is Bios Boot 2MB but no Boot partition where kernel is located.

The instruction from official Gentoo web-page is difference from display I'm
getting on my screen when I use fdisk
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?part=1chap=4

I don't have an option of extended partition not can I make Boot partition
/dev/sda2 (128MB) bootable by pressing a in fdisk.

--
Joseph



While not an SSD user, I too had to set up gentoo from scratch on a
laptop recently. I followed the disk partitioning instructions given
in the handbook, with the following partitions created:

Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1 1 3  5198+  ef  EFI (FAT-12/16/32)
/dev/sda2   * 314105808+  83  Linux
/dev/sda31581506520   82  Linux swap
/dev/sda482  3876  28690200   83  Linux


I think this is an example like in the handbook, the problem is the gpt partition printout will look slightly different, so I got confused at the beginning. 
What I have noticed is that these example don't show creating partition for home' I think home now is on root partition sda4.


--
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - partitions

[Joseph]

On 09/04/14 08:25, Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 22:30:32 -0600, Joseph wrote:


I have a new SSD 480GB drive and I'm trying to partition it.  It was
some time before I went through this so I found this information:
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/SSD

But they omitted the Boot partition.
  Device   Start  End   Size Type
  /dev/sda1 2048 6143 2M BIOS boot partition
  /dev/sda2 6144  4200447 2G Linux swap
  /dev/sda3  4200448117231374  53.9G Linux filesystem

There is Bios Boot 2MB but no Boot partition where kernel is located.


The BIOS boot partition is there to enable a non-EFI system to boot from
a GPT partitioned disk, it is not the same as /boot. If you want a
separate /boot, it is not a requirement, you need to create is as a
separate partition, like this

% sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda

Disk /dev/sda: 2.7 TiB, 3000592982016 bytes, 5860533168 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
Disklabel type: gpt
Disk identifier: 04EFD165-FDDF-4C24-BA81-868B97BF9949

Device   Start  End   Size Type
/dev/sda1 2048 4095 1M BIOS boot partition
/dev/sda2 4096  2101247 1G Linux filesystem
/dev/sda3  2101248 3565567916G Linux swap
/dev/sda4 35655680   5860533134   2.7T Linux filesystem

Here sda1 is the BIOS boot and sda2 is /boot.


The instruction from official Gentoo web-page is difference from
display I'm getting on my screen when I use fdisk
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?part=1chap=4


If you are using GPT partitons, and you should, gdisk is the tool to use
(emerge sys-apps/gptfdisk).


I don't have an option of extended partition not can I make Boot
partition /dev/sda2 (128MB) bootable by pressing a in fdisk.


GPT is not hindered by any of that legacy 4 partitions is enough for
anyone so lets kludge in some more crap, you just create partitions.


Does GPT needs so much room for boot partition 1G? My current system boot partition is 30Mb Gentoo handbook recommend 128Mb 


So the boot partition (/dev/sda2) will be ext2. What type of will be /dev/sda1 
? ext2 as well.


--
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - partitions

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 07:05:28 -0600, Joseph wrote:

 Disk /dev/sda: 2.7 TiB, 3000592982016 bytes, 5860533168 sectors
 Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
 Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
 I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
 Disklabel type: gpt
 Disk identifier: 04EFD165-FDDF-4C24-BA81-868B97BF9949
 
 Device   Start  End   Size Type
 /dev/sda1 2048 4095 1M BIOS boot partition
 /dev/sda2 4096  2101247 1G Linux filesystem
 /dev/sda3  2101248 3565567916G Linux swap
 /dev/sda4 35655680   5860533134   2.7T Linux filesystem
 
 Here sda1 is the BIOS boot and sda2 is /boot.
   
  The instruction from official Gentoo web-page is difference from
  display I'm getting on my screen when I use fdisk
  http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?part=1chap=4  
 
 If you are using GPT partitons, and you should, gdisk is the tool to
 use (emerge sys-apps/gptfdisk).
   
  I don't have an option of extended partition not can I make Boot
  partition /dev/sda2 (128MB) bootable by pressing a in fdisk.  
 
 GPT is not hindered by any of that legacy 4 partitions is enough for
 anyone so lets kludge in some more crap, you just create partitions.  
 
 Does GPT needs so much room for boot partition 1G? My current system
 boot partition is 30Mb Gentoo handbook recommend 128Mb 

My BIOS boot partition is 1MB not 1GB. My /boot partition is 1GB to allow
room for a couple of System Rescue CD ISO images.
 
 So the boot partition (/dev/sda2) will be ext2. What type of will
 be /dev/sda1 ? ext2 as well.

No, it's type is BIOS boot partition, it's a completely different type
of partition and not used by your Linux installation at all, it's purely
there for the BIOS.


-- 
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I'm as confused as a baby in a topless bar.


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Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - partitions

[Joseph]

On 09/04/14 14:29, Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 07:05:28 -0600, Joseph wrote:


Disk /dev/sda: 2.7 TiB, 3000592982016 bytes, 5860533168 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
Disklabel type: gpt
Disk identifier: 04EFD165-FDDF-4C24-BA81-868B97BF9949

Device   Start  End   Size Type
/dev/sda1 2048 4095 1M BIOS boot partition
/dev/sda2 4096  2101247 1G Linux filesystem
/dev/sda3  2101248 3565567916G Linux swap
/dev/sda4 35655680   5860533134   2.7T Linux filesystem

Here sda1 is the BIOS boot and sda2 is /boot.

 The instruction from official Gentoo web-page is difference from
 display I'm getting on my screen when I use fdisk
 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?part=1chap=4

If you are using GPT partitons, and you should, gdisk is the tool to
use (emerge sys-apps/gptfdisk).

 I don't have an option of extended partition not can I make Boot
 partition /dev/sda2 (128MB) bootable by pressing a in fdisk.

GPT is not hindered by any of that legacy 4 partitions is enough for
anyone so lets kludge in some more crap, you just create partitions.

Does GPT needs so much room for boot partition 1G? My current system
boot partition is 30Mb Gentoo handbook recommend 128Mb


My BIOS boot partition is 1MB not 1GB. My /boot partition is 1GB to allow
room for a couple of System Rescue CD ISO images.


So the boot partition (/dev/sda2) will be ext2. What type of will
be /dev/sda1 ? ext2 as well.


No, it's type is BIOS boot partition, it's a completely different type
of partition and not used by your Linux installation at all, it's purely
there for the BIOS.


Thank you for explanation.

Is your /home on root partition?  I've notice that handbook does not designate separate 
partition for home anymore.

--
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - partitions

[J. Roeleveld]

On 4 September 2014 15:54:17 CEST, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote:
On 09/04/14 14:29, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 07:05:28 -0600, Joseph wrote:

 Disk /dev/sda: 2.7 TiB, 3000592982016 bytes, 5860533168 sectors
 Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
 Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
 I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
 Disklabel type: gpt
 Disk identifier: 04EFD165-FDDF-4C24-BA81-868B97BF9949
 
 Device   Start  End   Size Type
 /dev/sda1 2048 4095 1M BIOS boot partition
 /dev/sda2 4096  2101247 1G Linux filesystem
 /dev/sda3  2101248 3565567916G Linux swap
 /dev/sda4 35655680   5860533134   2.7T Linux filesystem
 
 Here sda1 is the BIOS boot and sda2 is /boot.
 
  The instruction from official Gentoo web-page is difference from
  display I'm getting on my screen when I use fdisk
 
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?part=1chap=4
 
 If you are using GPT partitons, and you should, gdisk is the tool
to
 use (emerge sys-apps/gptfdisk).
 
  I don't have an option of extended partition not can I make Boot
  partition /dev/sda2 (128MB) bootable by pressing a in fdisk.
 
 GPT is not hindered by any of that legacy 4 partitions is enough
for
 anyone so lets kludge in some more crap, you just create
partitions.

 Does GPT needs so much room for boot partition 1G? My current system
 boot partition is 30Mb Gentoo handbook recommend 128Mb

My BIOS boot partition is 1MB not 1GB. My /boot partition is 1GB to
allow
room for a couple of System Rescue CD ISO images.

 So the boot partition (/dev/sda2) will be ext2. What type of will
 be /dev/sda1 ? ext2 as well.

No, it's type is BIOS boot partition, it's a completely different
type
of partition and not used by your Linux installation at all, it's
purely
there for the BIOS.

Thank you for explanation.

Is your /home on root partition?  I've notice that handbook does not
designate separate partition for home anymore.

The handbook only provides an example which should work.

There is no reason to blindly follow it if you have other ideas on how to 
partition your disks.

--
Joost
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Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - partitions

[Rich Freeman]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
 My BIOS boot partition is 1MB not 1GB. My /boot partition is 1GB to allow
 room for a couple of System Rescue CD ISO images.


There are a few types of boot partitions these days.

One is used when booting GPT from legacy BIOS.  Grub needs to stick
some of its data in a known location and there isn't anyplace to store
that with GPT like there is with MBR.  So, GRUB makes you have a very
small partition (1-2MB I think offhand) to do it.

When booting from EFI you need a GPT boot partition (FAT - ugh) that
actually contains the image that gets booted, so it needs to have room
for at least a couple of kernels/initramfs - so that will be larger.

Then, when booting from an MBR disk with a legacy BIOS it isn't
uncommon to still have a boot partition big enough for a few
kernels/initramfs for a few reasons:
1.  If the BIOS is really old it might not be able to address your
entire disk, so you need it to be near the start of the disk.
2.  Your bootloader might not be able to read your root partition, so
you need something it can read so that your kernel/initramfs can do
the rest.

So, be careful when you read instructions on creating boot partitions
and make sure that they're trying to solve the problem that you
actually have...

--
Rich

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - partitions

[Tom H]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:

 When booting from EFI you need a GPT boot partition (FAT - ugh) that
 actually contains the image that gets booted, so it needs to have room
 for at least a couple of kernels/initramfs - so that will be larger.

If you're using gummiboot, you need to have a large EFI system
partition on which to store kernels.

But if you're using grub or refind, you only need to have a small FAT
partition for efi executables.

On my Ubuntu laptop:

# du -sh /boot/efi
3.4M /boot/efi

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - partitions

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 07:54:17 -0600, Joseph wrote:

 No, it's type is BIOS boot partition, it's a completely different
 type of partition and not used by your Linux installation at all, it's
 purely there for the BIOS.  
 
 Thank you for explanation.
 
 Is your /home on root partition?  I've notice that handbook does not
 designate separate partition for home anymore.

I use btrfs so the question doesn't really apply. But the handbook is
only a guide, you are free to use whichever partitioning scheme you
prefer.


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - partitions

[Håkon Alstadheim]

On 04. sep. 2014 16:52, Tom H wrote:

On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:

When booting from EFI you need a GPT boot partition (FAT - ugh) that
actually contains the image that gets booted, so it needs to have room
for at least a couple of kernels/initramfs - so that will be larger.


I'm working on getting a new motherboard, Will I still be able to have 
my boot filesystem on a flash-stick? Currently I have everything except 
/boot on LVM on top of Physical Volumes on unpartitioned raid volumes. 
Having a single drive with an odd size makes swapping drives around when 
they fail and drop out of the raid a hassle, and I do not want to waste 
2G on every drive just to have a 2G boot partition. A flash stick (and 
another one for backup) is very pleasant to work with. Especially when i 
bork my initramfs or need to run maintenance without mounting my root 
filesystem. Will this work on an EFI board ?

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - partitions

[Alan McKinnon]

On 04/09/2014 22:05, Håkon Alstadheim wrote:
 On 04. sep. 2014 16:52, Tom H wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
 When booting from EFI you need a GPT boot partition (FAT - ugh) that
 actually contains the image that gets booted, so it needs to have room
 for at least a couple of kernels/initramfs - so that will be larger.

 I'm working on getting a new motherboard, Will I still be able to have
 my boot filesystem on a flash-stick? Currently I have everything except
 /boot on LVM on top of Physical Volumes on unpartitioned raid volumes.
 Having a single drive with an odd size makes swapping drives around when
 they fail and drop out of the raid a hassle, and I do not want to waste
 2G on every drive just to have a 2G boot partition. A flash stick (and
 another one for backup) is very pleasant to work with. Especially when i
 bork my initramfs or need to run maintenance without mounting my root
 filesystem. Will this work on an EFI board ?



I don't see why it won't work. You only need /boot for two things:

- at boot time, the boot loader must be able to see it so it can load
the kernel
- when you update grub, you will overwrite files to /boot

As for as the BIOS/EFI is concerned, a stick is like an hdd - just
another drive, nothing special about it. If signing is involved, it's
the boot image that gets signed.

I say go for it and test it out. What have you go to lose? The thing
will either boot off a stick or it won't, this test won't damage anything


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] new installation - partitions

[Daniel Frey]

On 09/04/2014 01:05 PM, Håkon Alstadheim wrote:
 On 04. sep. 2014 16:52, Tom H wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
 When booting from EFI you need a GPT boot partition (FAT - ugh) that
 actually contains the image that gets booted, so it needs to have room
 for at least a couple of kernels/initramfs - so that will be larger.

 I'm working on getting a new motherboard, Will I still be able to have
 my boot filesystem on a flash-stick? Currently I have everything except
 /boot on LVM on top of Physical Volumes on unpartitioned raid volumes.
 Having a single drive with an odd size makes swapping drives around when
 they fail and drop out of the raid a hassle, and I do not want to waste
 2G on every drive just to have a 2G boot partition. A flash stick (and
 another one for backup) is very pleasant to work with. Especially when i
 bork my initramfs or need to run maintenance without mounting my root
 filesystem. Will this work on an EFI board ?
 
 

It should work with no issues. You may want to boot it in EFI mode as
some motherboards cripple functionality in 'legacy' mode. I just ran
into that with hdmi audio passthrough not working on an Intel NUC I
recently set up.

It is possible to boot in EFI mode off of a USB, as I used a Mint ISO to
boot from in EFI mode. I would presume the USB needs to have the FAT
partition that EFI requires.

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation (ssd, new udev, grub2)

[J.Marcos Sitorus]

Hi Paul,
Thanks. So to be on safe side, he should partitioned the SSD using the
latest fdisk (booting from sysrescuecd?) and it will automatically
align to 1MB, right?

 Don't know if it is hijacking, but it is not an RHEL list, and
 top-posting can get an angry mob started. :)
Sorry about top-posting, I use quick reply from gmail :p

-- 
Salam,

J.Marcos Sitorus
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Re: [gentoo-user] new installation (ssd, new udev, grub2)

[Paul Hartman]

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:51 AM, J.Marcos Sitorus gkj...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Paul,
 Thanks. So to be on safe side, he should partitioned the SSD using the
 latest fdisk (booting from sysrescuecd?) and it will automatically
 align to 1MB, right?

Yes, I think util-linux 2.17 or higher will support this (might be
dependent on kernel version as well, but any live CD made in the the
past year should contain this for sure)

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation (ssd, new udev, grub2)

[Pandu Poluan]

On Aug 16, 2012 2:57 PM, J.Marcos Sitorus gkj...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Paul,
 Thanks. So to be on safe side, he should partitioned the SSD using the
 latest fdisk (booting from sysrescuecd?) and it will automatically
 align to 1MB, right?

  Don't know if it is hijacking, but it is not an RHEL list, and
  top-posting can get an angry mob started. :)
 Sorry about top-posting, I use quick reply from gmail :p


For SSD, it's even recommended to leave a space of 4 MB before the first
partition.

Rgds,

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation (ssd, new udev, grub2)

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:33 PM, J.Marcos Sitorus gkj...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi guys, after quick read about ssd, I have a couple of question:
 1. My friend have new server with a ssd installed. He plan to RHEL 5.7
 (I don't know why he choose this) on it. On redhat website, it say
 something like this:
 However, if the device does not export topology information, Red Hat
 recommends that the first partition be created at a 1MB boundary.
 What does it mean by 1MB boundary? Does it mean he have to create 1MB
 free space in front or he have to create a 1MB partition in front of
 his actual partition(s)?

When you run fdisk and it asks starting sector, choose one that has
1MB of free space in front of it. Flash memory, like magnetic disks,
writes and erases in blocks, so improper alignment can cause multiple
read/writes to happen when only one should have been necessary. Most
flash-based memory has erase blocks with multiples of 4MB so I always
begin the partition at 4MB to be safe. Magnetic disks have much
smaller blocks so 1MB is the usual recommendation for those (since 1MB
is safely divisible by 64k/32k/16k/8k/512b etc.) though if you know
the actual block size on your disk you can go smaller than 1MB.

 2. Is it possible to combine TRIM support and ext3 partition (AFAIK,
 RHEL 5.7 haven't support ext4)?

Basically no. Depending on kernel  everything else version there
might be offline trim support ioctl, but not automatic. Don't know
anything about RHEL but maybe xfs supported TRIM in that version.

 *i hope this is not count as hijacking

Don't know if it is hijacking, but it is not an RHEL list, and
top-posting can get an angry mob started. :)

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation (ssd, new udev, grub2)

[Mick]

On Wednesday 15 Aug 2012 17:42:02 Paul Hartman wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:33 PM, J.Marcos Sitorus gkj...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi guys, after quick read about ssd, I have a couple of question:
  1. My friend have new server with a ssd installed. He plan to RHEL 5.7
  (I don't know why he choose this) on it. On redhat website, it say
  something like this:
  However, if the device does not export topology information, Red Hat
  recommends that the first partition be created at a 1MB boundary.
  What does it mean by 1MB boundary? Does it mean he have to create 1MB
  free space in front or he have to create a 1MB partition in front of
  his actual partition(s)?
 
 When you run fdisk and it asks starting sector, choose one that has
 1MB of free space in front of it. Flash memory, like magnetic disks,
 writes and erases in blocks, so improper alignment can cause multiple
 read/writes to happen when only one should have been necessary. Most
 flash-based memory has erase blocks with multiples of 4MB so I always
 begin the partition at 4MB to be safe. Magnetic disks have much
 smaller blocks so 1MB is the usual recommendation for those (since 1MB
 is safely divisible by 64k/32k/16k/8k/512b etc.) though if you know
 the actual block size on your disk you can go smaller than 1MB.
 
  2. Is it possible to combine TRIM support and ext3 partition (AFAIK,
  RHEL 5.7 haven't support ext4)?
 
 Basically no. Depending on kernel  everything else version there
 might be offline trim support ioctl, but not automatic. Don't know
 anything about RHEL but maybe xfs supported TRIM in that version.
 
  *i hope this is not count as hijacking
 
 Don't know if it is hijacking, but it is not an RHEL list, and
 top-posting can get an angry mob started. :)

Gr!  :@

LOL!

Anyway, I am told that Gparted now adds a 1M unallocated space before a 
partition is created (and shows it too) as long as one leaves the default 
alignment option of 'MiB', rather than 'cylinders'.

I'm not sure what it does if you select cylinders.  May still create it, but I 
seem to recall that older versions of Gparted did not show unallocated space 
less than 8M.

I think that current versions of fdisk also provide a 1M boundary, or is it 
4M?  Someone more up to speed on this can comment.
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] new installation (ssd, new udev, grub2)

[Paul Hartman]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think that current versions of fdisk also provide a 1M boundary, or is it
 4M?  Someone more up to speed on this can comment.

I think basically everything* except for cfdisk defaults to 1M boundary now.

* everything meaning fdisk, gdisk, parted, gparted...

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation (ssd, new udev, grub2)

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:14:50 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote:

  I think that current versions of fdisk also provide a 1M boundary, or
  is it 4M?  Someone more up to speed on this can comment.  
 
 I think basically everything* except for cfdisk defaults to 1M boundary
 now.
 
 * everything meaning fdisk, gdisk, parted, gparted...

... and cgdisk.


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Re: [gentoo-user] new installation (ssd, new udev, grub2)

[J.Marcos Sitorus]

Hi guys, after quick read about ssd, I have a couple of question:
1. My friend have new server with a ssd installed. He plan to RHEL 5.7
(I don't know why he choose this) on it. On redhat website, it say
something like this:
However, if the device does not export topology information, Red Hat
recommends that the first partition be created at a 1MB boundary.
What does it mean by 1MB boundary? Does it mean he have to create 1MB
free space in front or he have to create a 1MB partition in front of
his actual partition(s)?

2. Is it possible to combine TRIM support and ext3 partition (AFAIK,
RHEL 5.7 haven't support ext4)?

*i hope this is not count as hijacking

On 8/14/12, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:55:31 -0400
 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Alan McKinnon
 alan.mckin...@gmail.comwrote:

  On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:17:23 -0400
  Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Neil Bothwick
   n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
  
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 14:11:37 -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote:
   
  I have one of those. But I decided to stick with
  traditional DOS partitioning style and grub instead of GPT
  and grub2.

 I am leaning toward traditional partitioning, but with
 grub2.  Do those two not mix well?
   
GRUB2 works fine with MBR partition tables. But if you're
starting from scratch, you may as well use GPT and get rid of
the legacy MBR limitations and fragility.
   
  
   I'm not dissing GPT...but what's fragile about MBR?
 
  it's 30 years old,
  only 4 primary partitions,
  only 16 extended partitions,
  it's got that weird DOS boot flag thing,
  it all has to fit in one sector.
 
  I had to fix a mispartitioned disk over the weekend, this really
  should have been a simple mv-type operation, but because all 4
  primary partitions were in use I had to disable swap and use it as
  a leap-frog area. It felt like I was playing 15 pieces with the
  disk. That's fragile - not that the disk breaks, but that it breaks
  my ability to set the thing up easily.
 
  Basically, mbr was built to cater for the needs of DOS-3. In the
  meantime, 1982 called and they want their last 30 years back.
 
  Just because we can hack workarounds into it to get it to function
  doesn't mean we should continue to use it.
 

 You misunderstand me. I wasn't arguing that GPT wasn't perhaps more
 elegant than MBR and dos partitions. I wanted to know what was
 _fragile_ about MBR. Completely different things.

 I did answer (somewhat obliquely).

 mbr as a single isolated unit is not especially fragile; very little
 software is and bits don't magically rot

 It's the system into which the sysadmin inserts mbr that is fragile.
 The whole system is fragile like an egg is fragile - it can't withstand
 much manhandling or moving of stuff around before some mistake wreaks
 everything, and that is mostly due to mbr's limits.

 It's not semantic nitpicking here, if the system as a unit becomes
 fragile as a result of part X, then the system is still fragile.

 --
 Alan McKinnon
 alan.mckin...@gmail.com





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J.Marcos S.
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Re: [gentoo-user] new installation (ssd, new udev, grub2)

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 14:11:37 -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote:

  I have one of those. But I decided to stick with traditional DOS
  partitioning style and grub instead of GPT and grub2.  
 
 I am leaning toward traditional partitioning, but with grub2.  Do those
 two not mix well?

GRUB2 works fine with MBR partition tables. But if you're starting from
scratch, you may as well use GPT and get rid of the legacy MBR
limitations and fragility.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Procedure: (n.) a method of performing a program sub-task in an
inefficient way by extensively using the stack instead of a GOTO.


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