Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 11:04:47AM -0600, Dale wrote: It is a nice program and I'm pretty sure it allows you to download from your card too. I'm not sure gtkam will allow downloads from the card so you are likely headed down the right road. Honestly, if digikam worked right with my camera, I'd use it in a heart beat. I like it but I can't get my pics to show up right. --^ Since your spelling is not always 100% precise ;-) do you really mean show up right, or do you mean show upright? The latter is a question of support by your camera. Meant as written, this time. lol I think I explained this a bit more in another post. My camera has a separate directory for each day. Digikam doesn't seem to show them correctly. Some images don't show up at all and others show up twice or even more than twice. I think it looks for just one directory but I'm not sure. But why bother with it a special download function in the first place? Most cameras support standard USB mass storage protocol, so if you set your camera to it and plug it in via USB, it shows up as a normal mass storage device. Digikam then recognises the folder structure on it and allows you to download the images. I'm still more old school -- I copy the images over from the card using $filemanager and then import them selectively into my digikam collection, which allows me to keep it clean more easily. Digikam is a really great management application. I've been using it since KDE 3 times. Its strong points are tagging and organising, and subsequent rediscovery by tags and descriptions you assign to a photo. And though I myself haven't used it much yet apart from a few select features, it has a nice editing program, too. As I said, digikam is a nice program. I'm not saying it isn't for sure. It is a bit much for me tho since I already have a way of managing my pics. I could use digikam but I already have a system that does what it does without all the fancy stuff. As to why I use gtkam. I use it because it renames the pics as it copies and puts them in sequence. Not only do I sort them by directories but I also give them names that helps sort them too. If I just copy files the camera has, I end up with a lot of files out of order and possible duplicates and such. Of course, now I have gtkam working without crashing, so far anyway. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
* Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com [120304 15:12]: So I take a lot of pictures. A *lot* of pictures. Sometimes around 500/month, sometimes twice that if I manage to get out more. I've got a large number of 'DCIM' directories from different cameras, different camera models, etc, going back ten years. Sometimes in JPG, sometimes RAW, sometimes both. And I've never really managed them well. Does anyone have any photo management tool they like? I've got bits of Qt and Gtk installed already, and while I'd prefer to avoid pulling in a full desktop environment, I might--if the tool is good enough. It would have to: * Handle RAW (via libraw or dcraw is fine), JPEG, PNG[1] and TIFF[1] content and metadata * Index by metadata, including things like the recording camera's serial number[2] * Not be destructive, or ambiguous about being destructive, on image import. I tried using Amarok to organize my music, which is in similar disarray, and I was never sure if it was being destructive about the source files/folders. So I made copies. Which ultimately added to the disarray. [1] My postprocessing occasionally winds up in lossless formats like these. [2] My fiancee and I have the same model camera, and occasionally need to share memory cards, so I'd like to be able to use serial number to distinguish whose is whose. -- :wq I like Digikam a lot. There's some rough edges, but part of that is because a lot of development is being done all the time on it with lots of new features added. Obviously sticking to a non-bleeding edge build would reduce that a lot. The developers are all quite responsive and the Gentoo packager (Andreas) is very active too. I run it from the command line without KDE running though it's a KDE app (so you'll have to pull in bits of KDE.) Try it though. It may not be the kind of managing you're looking for (though I think it can do everything you've mentioned above with a recent enough version.) Todd
Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Mol wrote: So I take a lot of pictures. A *lot* of pictures. Sometimes around 500/month, sometimes twice that if I manage to get out more. I've got a large number of 'DCIM' directories from different cameras, different camera models, etc, going back ten years. Sometimes in JPG, sometimes RAW, sometimes both. And I've never really managed them well. Does anyone have any photo management tool they like? I've got bits of Qt and Gtk installed already, and while I'd prefer to avoid pulling in a full desktop environment, I might--if the tool is good enough. It would have to: * Handle RAW (via libraw or dcraw is fine), JPEG, PNG[1] and TIFF[1] content and metadata * Index by metadata, including things like the recording camera's serial number[2] * Not be destructive, or ambiguous about being destructive, on image import. I tried using Amarok to organize my music, which is in similar disarray, and I was never sure if it was being destructive about the source files/folders. So I made copies. Which ultimately added to the disarray. [1] My postprocessing occasionally winds up in lossless formats like these. [2] My fiancee and I have the same model camera, and occasionally need to share memory cards, so I'd like to be able to use serial number to distinguish whose is whose. As someone who also takes a LOT of pictures at times, I don't use software, I just use directories. Mine starts out like this: Camera directory Year subject matter image That works for me. I used to not have the year but that ends up with a LOT of pictures in a directory. Example of mine as it goes to a actual image: Camera-pics/2012/New Years/2012-01-05-8.JPG I have been using gtkam to download my pics for years. Thing is, it has a bug up its butt and wants to crash at random times, usually when changing the directories. Anyway, it always crashes before I am done and lets just say it gets on my freaking nerves. So, I tried digikam. Well, my camera has multiple directories and for some reason it doesn't show them all and then duplicates other images to boot. I may have 2 or 3 copies of the same picture. I have yet to figure out why that is and google, now startpage, has not helped me either. Maybe I am searching for the wrong thing? If you want software to help manage your images, I'd try digikam. If it works for you and your camera, it should do fine. If you want to go my route, try gtkam and hope like heck it doesn't crash for you too. Right now, both of those get on my nerves for different reasons. Hope that helps and is clearer than mud. Maybe someone will come along with a better plan for us both too. lol Based on this and other posts in the thread, I'll probably give digikam a try. I did want to clarify one point, though: I don't connect the camera to the computer; I put the SD card into a card reader, and copy from there. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
Michael Mol wrote: Based on this and other posts in the thread, I'll probably give digikam a try. I did want to clarify one point, though: I don't connect the camera to the computer; I put the SD card into a card reader, and copy from there. It is a nice program and I'm pretty sure it allows you to download from your card too. I'm not sure gtkam will allow downloads from the card so you are likely headed down the right road. Honestly, if digikam worked right with my camera, I'd use it in a heart beat. I like it but I can't get my pics to show up right. I can't figure out why tho. Maybe I should try getting from the stick like you do? Thing is, I leave my camera on the tri-pod about 90% of the time. The card is on the bottom of mine beside the battery. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Mol wrote: Based on this and other posts in the thread, I'll probably give digikam a try. I did want to clarify one point, though: I don't connect the camera to the computer; I put the SD card into a card reader, and copy from there. It is a nice program and I'm pretty sure it allows you to download from your card too. I'm not sure gtkam will allow downloads from the card so you are likely headed down the right road. Well, I use scp to move the files from machines with with card readers to the machines I do processing. If digikam has any kind of 'import' support, that'd do it. Honestly, if digikam worked right with my camera, I'd use it in a heart beat. I like it but I can't get my pics to show up right. I can't figure out why tho. Maybe I should try getting from the stick like you do? Thing is, I leave my camera on the tri-pod about 90% of the time. The card is on the bottom of mine beside the battery. Check out the Eye-Fi? http://www.eye.fi/ When I first heard about it, someone had just gotten a receiving daemon written in Python to work with it. -- :wq
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* Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com [120305 12:09]: [..] Honestly, if digikam worked right with my camera, I'd use it in a heart beat. I like it but I can't get my pics to show up right. I can't figure out why tho. Maybe I should try getting from the stick like you do? Thing is, I leave my camera on the tri-pod about 90% of the time. The card is on the bottom of mine beside the battery. Dale Have you tried a more recent Digikam Dale? They use libgphoto2 (I believe) and also recently pulled in more support internally (again, I believe) so they continue to improve camera support. I don't know offhand what's what in the latest Gentoo stable and testing ebuilds though as I build from the upstream git in most cases. Todd
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Todd Goodman wrote: * Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com [120305 12:09]: [..] Honestly, if digikam worked right with my camera, I'd use it in a heart beat. I like it but I can't get my pics to show up right. I can't figure out why tho. Maybe I should try getting from the stick like you do? Thing is, I leave my camera on the tri-pod about 90% of the time. The card is on the bottom of mine beside the battery. Dale Have you tried a more recent Digikam Dale? They use libgphoto2 (I believe) and also recently pulled in more support internally (again, I believe) so they continue to improve camera support. I don't know offhand what's what in the latest Gentoo stable and testing ebuilds though as I build from the upstream git in most cases. Todd Yep, I unmasked and unkeyworded the ones that were available at the time. Is unkeyworded a word in Gentoo? H. I did file a roach report with gtkam on the crash and that the gimp plugin seems to trigger it. Maybe they will have a fix. Since I don't use gtkam from within Gimp, I don't really care myself but I would like to help fix it for someone else who does use it that way. There is some more updates I could do tho. Here is the current versions: root@fireball / # equery list gtkam libgphoto2 libexif-gtk gtk+ * Searching for gtkam ... [IP-] [ ] media-gfx/gtkam-0.1.18:0 * Searching for libgphoto2 ... [IP-] [ ] media-libs/libgphoto2-2.4.11-r1:0 * Searching for libexif-gtk ... [IP-] [ ] media-libs/libexif-gtk-0.3.5-r2:0 * Searching for gtk+ ... [IP-] [ ] x11-libs/gtk+-2.24.8-r1:2 [IP-] [ ] x11-libs/gtk+-3.0.12-r1:3 root@fireball / # When I add the -p option I see newer ones that have been added since I played with this. May have a new project. Maybe update that stuff then try the gimp flag again. The problem with Digikam is weird and sort of hard to explain. My camera has directories sorted by the date. Sometimes I have 15 or 20 directories. Digikam seems to show a couple directories in one view window but ignores the rest. Then on top of that, some images with the same file name are duplicated, some even more than twice. Is that called triplicated? lol I think it is a setting or something that I am missing. It could be a bug but I think it is just a bad setting or some setting I need to change but can't find. It wouldn't be the first time I didn't have a light bulb moment. o_O Now that I have gtkam working, at least I can get my pics off and it not crash part way through. So, I'm not to worried about digikam but may play with it some more, especially if it updates again. Maybe I should check the USE flags again too. Maybe that would help some. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
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Michael Mol wrote: Check out the Eye-Fi? http://www.eye.fi/ When I first heard about it, someone had just gotten a receiving daemon written in Python to work with it. Well, I don't have any wi-fi around here. I live in the sticks but I still don't want that, not yet at least. It does look neat tho. I also am going to have to get a new card. My old one is getting slow. I think it is old age, like me. lol Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
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On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:10:40 -0500, Michael Mol wrote: Well, I use scp to move the files from machines with with card readers to the machines I do processing. If digikam has any kind of 'import' support, that'd do it. Just drop the files into Digikam's working directory and run Scan for new images - you can have it scan automatically at startup, at the expense of startup time. -- Neil Bothwick Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 11:04:47AM -0600, Dale wrote: Michael Mol wrote: Based on this and other posts in the thread, I'll probably give digikam a try. I did want to clarify one point, though: I don't connect the camera to the computer; I put the SD card into a card reader, and copy from there. It is a nice program and I'm pretty sure it allows you to download from your card too. I'm not sure gtkam will allow downloads from the card so you are likely headed down the right road. Honestly, if digikam worked right with my camera, I'd use it in a heart beat. I like it but I can't get my pics to show up right. --^ Since your spelling is not always 100% precise ;-) do you really mean show up right, or do you mean show upright? The latter is a question of support by your camera. But why bother with it a special download function in the first place? Most cameras support standard USB mass storage protocol, so if you set your camera to it and plug it in via USB, it shows up as a normal mass storage device. Digikam then recognises the folder structure on it and allows you to download the images. I'm still more old school -- I copy the images over from the card using $filemanager and then import them selectively into my digikam collection, which allows me to keep it clean more easily. Digikam is a really great management application. I've been using it since KDE 3 times. Its strong points are tagging and organising, and subsequent rediscovery by tags and descriptions you assign to a photo. And though I myself haven't used it much yet apart from a few select features, it has a nice editing program, too. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. The situation has never been so serious... as always. pgprNWPLdWb5T.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Photo management programs
Michael Mol wrote: So I take a lot of pictures. A *lot* of pictures. Sometimes around 500/month, sometimes twice that if I manage to get out more. I've got a large number of 'DCIM' directories from different cameras, different camera models, etc, going back ten years. Sometimes in JPG, sometimes RAW, sometimes both. And I've never really managed them well. Does anyone have any photo management tool they like? I've got bits of Qt and Gtk installed already, and while I'd prefer to avoid pulling in a full desktop environment, I might--if the tool is good enough. It would have to: * Handle RAW (via libraw or dcraw is fine), JPEG, PNG[1] and TIFF[1] content and metadata * Index by metadata, including things like the recording camera's serial number[2] * Not be destructive, or ambiguous about being destructive, on image import. I tried using Amarok to organize my music, which is in similar disarray, and I was never sure if it was being destructive about the source files/folders. So I made copies. Which ultimately added to the disarray. [1] My postprocessing occasionally winds up in lossless formats like these. [2] My fiancee and I have the same model camera, and occasionally need to share memory cards, so I'd like to be able to use serial number to distinguish whose is whose. As someone who also takes a LOT of pictures at times, I don't use software, I just use directories. Mine starts out like this: Camera directory Year subject matter image That works for me. I used to not have the year but that ends up with a LOT of pictures in a directory. Example of mine as it goes to a actual image: Camera-pics/2012/New Years/2012-01-05-8.JPG I have been using gtkam to download my pics for years. Thing is, it has a bug up its butt and wants to crash at random times, usually when changing the directories. Anyway, it always crashes before I am done and lets just say it gets on my freaking nerves. So, I tried digikam. Well, my camera has multiple directories and for some reason it doesn't show them all and then duplicates other images to boot. I may have 2 or 3 copies of the same picture. I have yet to figure out why that is and google, now startpage, has not helped me either. Maybe I am searching for the wrong thing? If you want software to help manage your images, I'd try digikam. If it works for you and your camera, it should do fine. If you want to go my route, try gtkam and hope like heck it doesn't crash for you too. Right now, both of those get on my nerves for different reasons. Hope that helps and is clearer than mud. Maybe someone will come along with a better plan for us both too. lol Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
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On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: So I take a lot of pictures. A *lot* of pictures. Sometimes around 500/month, sometimes twice that if I manage to get out more. I've got a large number of 'DCIM' directories from different cameras, different camera models, etc, going back ten years. Sometimes in JPG, sometimes RAW, sometimes both. And I've never really managed them well. Does anyone have any photo management tool they like? I've got bits of Qt and Gtk installed already, and while I'd prefer to avoid pulling in a full desktop environment, I might--if the tool is good enough. It would have to: * Handle RAW (via libraw or dcraw is fine), JPEG, PNG[1] and TIFF[1] content and metadata * Index by metadata, including things like the recording camera's serial number[2] * Not be destructive, or ambiguous about being destructive, on image import. I tried using Amarok to organize my music, which is in similar disarray, and I was never sure if it was being destructive about the source files/folders. So I made copies. Which ultimately added to the disarray. I think Digikam can do all of it and more. :) Not sure how much of KDE it will require... Check out the features list at: http://www.digikam.org/drupal/features
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Dale wrote: As someone who also takes a LOT of pictures at times, I don't use software, I just use directories. Mine starts out like this: Camera directory Year subject matter image That works for me. I used to not have the year but that ends up with a LOT of pictures in a directory. Example of mine as it goes to a actual image: Camera-pics/2012/New Years/2012-01-05-8.JPG I have been using gtkam to download my pics for years. Thing is, it has a bug up its butt and wants to crash at random times, usually when changing the directories. Anyway, it always crashes before I am done and lets just say it gets on my freaking nerves. So, I tried digikam. Well, my camera has multiple directories and for some reason it doesn't show them all and then duplicates other images to boot. I may have 2 or 3 copies of the same picture. I have yet to figure out why that is and google, now startpage, has not helped me either. Maybe I am searching for the wrong thing? If you want software to help manage your images, I'd try digikam. If it works for you and your camera, it should do fine. If you want to go my route, try gtkam and hope like heck it doesn't crash for you too. Right now, both of those get on my nerves for different reasons. Hope that helps and is clearer than mud. Maybe someone will come along with a better plan for us both too. lol Dale :-) :-) I wanted to add some testing results. I mentioned I used gtkam and it was bad to crash. Well, I experimented a bit and found out this. If I disable the gimp USE flag, gtkam doesn't seem to crash. I tested for longer than it usually lasts so it may crash again but it lasted through a lot of clicking without crashing. It is a good sign at least. By the way, gtkam crashed with a segmentation fault. I have debug turned on but it doesn't seem to help much. I may report this to the gtkam folks if it is not to much trouble. This has been going on long enough. BTW, I don't use gtkam within GIMP anyway. I only use GIMP after I have downloaded my pics. At least if you go this way, you have a possible way to get it to not crash. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
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I don't think so, because it will try to support everything it can, when you should be able to get only what you really NEED. But as you said, its a solution (not so temporary, as cross-platform drivers are still a dream, an utopia :)) and if it does the job, carry on. On 6/7/05, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I meant to say is: To support new hardware should be more of a hardware engineer problem than an OS programmer one. I see, very interesting. From that point of view, Gentopia is a temporary solution until hardware manufacturers get it together. But even so, doesn't Gentopia mimic the end that open or cross-platform hardware drivers will achieve? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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To me, it's not a focus on gentopia. Gentopia is Gentoo's version of the project utopia stack (which is more GNOME specific). for example, gamin is the successor to famd which works more efficiently based on inotify. gnome-volume-manager for example works with gamin + udev + hal + dbus to make all the necessary messages to make things smooth much like a Mac right now. I don't think gentopia will be default for gentoo, but I do think it will be for Gnome. To me, gentoo isn't really for the masses, for those we have Ubuntu/Knoppix/Fedora. But don't you think all computer systems are moving toward that type of functionality, although some more quickly and more directly than others? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 07:02 -0700, Grant wrote: To me, it's not a focus on gentopia. Gentopia is Gentoo's version of the project utopia stack (which is more GNOME specific). for example, gamin is the successor to famd which works more efficiently based on inotify. gnome-volume-manager for example works with gamin + udev + hal + dbus to make all the necessary messages to make things smooth much like a Mac right now. I don't think gentopia will be default for gentoo, but I do think it will be for Gnome. To me, gentoo isn't really for the masses, for those we have Ubuntu/Knoppix/Fedora. But don't you think all computer systems are moving toward that type of functionality, although some more quickly and more directly than others? Well I think your and my answer has already answered that. I stated that gnome will have it. You stated that all comp sys are moving towards that. What more can I say? Don't use Gnome? Don't use computers? but the thing is, with Gentoo, we can still choose. right? (please.. someone re-assure me!!) -- Ow Mun Heng Gentoo/Linux on DELL D600 1.4Ghz 1.5GB RAM 98% Microsoft(tm) Free!! Neuromancer 22:25:05 up 10:37, 8 users, load average: 0.84, 1.33, 1.24 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On 6/8/05, Ow Mun Heng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (please.. someone re-assure me!!) You are hereby reassured. ;-) - Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 22:42 -0700, Grant wrote: Or try Project Gentopia and make it automatic I checked it out here: https://dev.cardoe.com/gentopia/ but I can't quite figure out what it's all about. Project Gentopia is gentoo's version of project utopia which is aimed to take the kludge and making hardware just work If you really want to know, you can search for robert Love's presentation files hosted on his ximian webpage. (whereever that may be. I can forward a copy to you off-line if needed) Plug camera in? Icon pops up in Desktop. Bought a new HD? plug it in and it works. No fudging with /etc/fstab. Need to have automatic power management? Gnome-power-manager will handle it automatically. stuffs like that works automagically. -- Ow Mun Heng Gentoo/Linux on DELL D600 1.4Ghz 1.5GB RAM 98% Microsoft(tm) Free!! Neuromancer 14:16:06 up 2 days, 22:45, 6 users, load average: 0.33, 0.34, 0.28 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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kimdaba is fantastic, and in portage the database facilities of it are great, it gives the ability to quickly and easily label your pics with arbitrary categories, name, location. occasion, or anything else you choose. Then you can pull up every photo with, for example, nick and party (which of course will find nothing as I am really a quiet guy :) On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 18:58 -0700, Grant wrote: What do you guys use to manage your digital photos? - Grant -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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Or try Project Gentopia and make it automatic I checked it out here: https://dev.cardoe.com/gentopia/ but I can't quite figure out what it's all about. Project Gentopia is gentoo's version of project utopia which is aimed to take the kludge and making hardware just work If you really want to know, you can search for robert Love's presentation files hosted on his ximian webpage. (whereever that may be. I can forward a copy to you off-line if needed) Plug camera in? Icon pops up in Desktop. Bought a new HD? plug it in and it works. No fudging with /etc/fstab. Need to have automatic power management? Gnome-power-manager will handle it automatically. stuffs like that works automagically. Is this clearly a step forward? In other words, will all Gentoo systems be operating on Gentopia or something like it eventually? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On 6/7/05, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or try Project Gentopia and make it automatic I checked it out here: https://dev.cardoe.com/gentopia/ but I can't quite figure out what it's all about. Project Gentopia is gentoo's version of project utopia which is aimed to take the kludge and making hardware just work If you really want to know, you can search for robert Love's presentation files hosted on his ximian webpage. (whereever that may be. I can forward a copy to you off-line if needed) Plug camera in? Icon pops up in Desktop. Bought a new HD? plug it in and it works. No fudging with /etc/fstab. Need to have automatic power management? Gnome-power-manager will handle it automatically. stuffs like that works automagically. Is this clearly a step forward? In other words, will all Gentoo systems be operating on Gentopia or something like it eventually? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list I don't think so, Gentoo (at least as far as I know) is minimalist and provides you with choices. Making it all automagic seems cool to the average user that don't have time, patience or will to know what's happening in the system, but making it default would take the freedom of people that want to dive deep into the config files and dev files to get the most of the hardware and take control of the system. Of course its a good idea for people to taste Linux and maybe make them curious about knowing more of the system to take advantage of all the hardware upgrades. I think that stuff that does magic tricks in the computer software world gets bigger, buggy, unstable and slower as time passes and more tricks are added, and then you think of... Micro$oft and Ruindow$. I sincerely hope it never happens to any Lin distro. Just my two cents... -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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I don't think so, Gentoo (at least as far as I know) is minimalist and provides you with choices. Making it all automagic seems cool to the average user that don't have time, patience or will to know what's happening in the system, but making it default would take the freedom of people that want to dive deep into the config files and dev files to get the most of the hardware and take control of the system. Of course its a good idea for people to taste Linux and maybe make them curious about knowing more of the system to take advantage of all the hardware upgrades. I think that stuff that does magic tricks in the computer software world gets bigger, buggy, unstable and slower as time passes and more tricks are added, and then you think of... Micro$oft and Ruindow$. I sincerely hope it never happens to any Lin distro. Just my two cents... -- Daniel da Veiga But don't you think the computer systems of the future would surely implement something like Gentopia? Things can always be done manually, but automatic seems like a step forward. On the other hand, I do agree with the things you're saying. This is why I asked the question. I'm not sure about this. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On 6/7/05, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But don't you think the computer systems of the future would surely implement something like Gentopia? Things can always be done manually, but automatic seems like a step forward. On the other hand, I do agree with the things you're saying. This is why I asked the question. I'm not sure about this. - Grant The problem isn't Gentopia or any system like it, I trully admire people that work with this kind of software, the effort of these people often brings users to the Lin systems, but lets look it the other way, I know neither this list nor this topic are meant for that, but since we're here, lets spam a little. The whole PC industry is not standard, if it was, I could unplug my mouse, plug another one completely different and it would work without changing the software. But that's good, cause it means using software allows engineers to develop new hardware that can do things that are very usefull. On the other hand, that means that OS programmers go crazy trying to support all these different hardwares, and with the whole copyright stuff, those who create the hardware want to control WHO uses it and do not open its drivers code, this way making the lifes of the OS developers a living hell if they do not make a lot of comercial agreements. That's where Lin looses to M$ (and only there). Now, lets imagine the list of new hardware created every day, its a BIG database, and growing alot, now lets think about 10% of it is not compatible with standard or generic drivers, that is still a LOT of space. So, we get win, with its old 30 Mb space required (3.11), then 200Mb (95/98) and now almost 2Gb (XP). The fact is that we need the hardware corporations to release drivers for its hardware that works on all systems, take a look at NVidia, it took me 10 minutes to install my video drive, both on Win and Lin. What I meant to say is: To support new hardware should be more of a hardware engineer problem than an OS programmer one. -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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What I meant to say is: To support new hardware should be more of a hardware engineer problem than an OS programmer one. I see, very interesting. From that point of view, Gentopia is a temporary solution until hardware manufacturers get it together. But even so, doesn't Gentopia mimic the end that open or cross-platform hardware drivers will achieve? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 13:32 -0300, Daniel da Veiga wrote: The fact is that we need the hardware corporations to release drivers for its hardware that works on all systems, take a look at NVidia, it took me 10 minutes to install my video drive, both on Win and Lin. What I meant to say is: To support new hardware should be more of a hardware engineer problem than an OS programmer one. At the risk of playing devil's advocate, there's a flipside to this. Code is [almost] never perfect, and anyone who subscribes to gentoo-announce knows that there are almost always security flaws discovered (and patched) after an initial version is released. If more functionality is pulled into the hardware, with the same potential for flaws (security or otherwise), then you've got a tough predicament. As a hardware engineer, do you spec more expensive re-programmable parts, or do you risk premature obsolescence (and potentially millions of $$ in lost NRE charges) by using ROM-based parts? Consider a video vendor who spins an ASIC (a custom chip) for its latest graphics card... They might spend $50 million in mask fees to have the new chip produced. Amortized over 100,000 graphics cards produced, this is less expensive to them (and thus to us as consumers) than instead spec'ing a re-programmable chip that costs 5x as much. What's really needed is not for hardware engineers to integrate more functionality into their hardware, but rather for hardware and software engineers to better work together. There's plenty of open-ness on the part of software engineers; but the companies don't want to release the gritty technical details of their products, and thus the hardware engineers' hands are tied. Open the eyes of the managers and administrators, and you'll open the hardware. Just my $0.02 as a hardware designer who regularly struggles with these same issues... :) DDR -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 08:45 -0700, Grant wrote: I don't think so, Gentoo (at least as far as I know) is minimalist and provides you with choices. Making it all automagic seems cool to the average user that don't have time, patience or will to know what's happening in the system, but making it default would take the freedom of people that want to dive deep into the config files and dev files to get the most of the hardware and take control of the system. Of course its a good idea for people to taste Linux and maybe make them curious about knowing more of the system to take advantage of all the hardware upgrades. I think that stuff that does magic tricks in the computer software world gets bigger, buggy, unstable and slower as time passes and more tricks are added, and then you think of... Micro$oft and Ruindow$. I sincerely hope it never happens to any Lin distro. -- Daniel da Veiga But don't you think the computer systems of the future would surely implement something like Gentopia? Things can always be done manually, but automatic seems like a step forward. On the other hand, I do agree with the things you're saying. This is why I asked the question. I'm not sure about this. To me, it's not a focus on gentopia. Gentopia is Gentoo's version of the project utopia stack (which is more GNOME specific). for example, gamin is the successor to famd which works more efficiently based on inotify. gnome-volume-manager for example works with gamin + udev + hal + dbus to make all the necessary messages to make things smooth much like a Mac right now. I don't think gentopia will be default for gentoo, but I do think it will be for Gnome. To me, gentoo isn't really for the masses, for those we have Ubuntu/Knoppix/Fedora. -- Ow Mun Heng Gentoo/Linux on DELL D600 1.4Ghz 1.5GB RAM 98% Microsoft(tm) Free!! Neuromancer 13:45:30 up 1:58, 5 users, load average: 0.66, 0.44, 0.43 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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LWN.net had an article just on this about a month ago: http://lwn.net/Articles/132051/ Cheers :) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 22:29 -0700, Bob Sanders wrote: On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 00:58:48 -0400 Simon Castillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob: does that works with gnome? If it doesn't... what about the Gnome desktop enviroment users? I don't have a full gnome nor kde install. I just use what I need from gnome and kde. I've not had problems with any on the sub-sets I use. what about f-spot? -- Ow Mun Heng Gentoo/Linux on DELL D600 1.4Ghz 1.5GB RAM 98% Microsoft(tm) Free!! Neuromancer 16:35:25 up 2 days, 1:04, 5 users, load average: 1.78, 1.13, 0.90 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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I use Eye of Gnome most of the time but I also like gThumb and earlier tonight I found an interesting app called Pornview which seems very full featured. All three of these apps integrate well with Gnome although I'm not sure if Pornview is in portage as I installed it on a Ubuntu system. Thanks guys, I think I'm going to go with gthumb. My current camera doesn't integrate with gphoto2, but I'm getting a new one that I'm sure will. It looks like gthumb has a gphoto2 USE flag so I can use gthumb now and then integrate it with gphoto2 when I get my new supported camera. Slick. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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--- Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So access to a camera via USB Mass Storage is preferred over gphoto2? - Grant Gphoto2 is for cameras that don't support USB Mass Storage. If USB Mass Storage is supported then use that instead. modprobe usb-storage dmesg | grep sd mount -t vfat /dev/sd? /mnt/camera Zac __ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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So access to a camera via USB Mass Storage is preferred over gphoto2? - Grant Gphoto2 is for cameras that don't support USB Mass Storage. If USB Mass Storage is supported then use that instead. modprobe usb-storage dmesg | grep sd mount -t vfat /dev/sd? /mnt/camera Zac I didn't realize that at all. Thank you very much. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 10:56:58 -0700 (PDT), Zac Medico wrote: Gphoto2 is for cameras that don't support USB Mass Storage. If USB Mass Storage is supported then use that instead. Gphoto2 does a lot more than USB Mass Storage, which only lets you mount the camera and access its files. Gphoto2 lets you control the camera, download thumbnails, capture images and more. -- Neil Bothwick Jimi Hendrix's modem was a Purple Hayes. pgpek6q84HE7c.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 10:56 -0700, Zac Medico wrote: --- Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So access to a camera via USB Mass Storage is preferred over gphoto2? - Grant Gphoto2 is for cameras that don't support USB Mass Storage. If USB Mass Storage is supported then use that instead. modprobe usb-storage dmesg | grep sd mount -t vfat /dev/sd? /mnt/camera Or try Project Gentopia and make it automatic -- Ow Mun Heng Gentoo/Linux on DELL D600 1.4Ghz 1.5GB RAM 98% Microsoft(tm) Free!! Neuromancer 10:24:01 up 2 days, 18:53, 7 users, load average: 1.02, 0.76, 0.57 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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Or try Project Gentopia and make it automatic I checked it out here: https://dev.cardoe.com/gentopia/ but I can't quite figure out what it's all about. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 18:58:20 -0700 Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you guys use to manage your digital photos? [ I] media-gfx/digikam (0.7.1): digiKam is a digital photo management application for KDE. You only need parts of KDE, not everything. I run it under Enlightenment. Bob -- - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On 6/5/05, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you guys use to manage your digital photos? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list I use Eye of Gnome most of the time but I also like gThumb and earlier tonight I found an interesting app called Pornview which seems very full featured. All three of these apps integrate well with Gnome although I'm not sure if Pornview is in portage as I installed it on a Ubuntu system. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 00:58:48 -0400 Simon Castillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob: does that works with gnome? If it doesn't... what about the Gnome desktop enviroment users? I don't have a full gnome nor kde install. I just use what I need from gnome and kde. I've not had problems with any on the sub-sets I use. digiKam is a front end to gphoto2, though my camera doesn't get used as part of gphoto2. Gtkam is a gtk2 frontend for Gphoto2, thus needs soem Gnome items. It might work fine, or it might not. Bob -- - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
