Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP in-game feature
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Christopher Howard chow...@indicium.uswrote: Perhaps this is a resolved issue now. But I just thought I'd mention that SuperTuxKart also uses Wilber. Might help to talk to their devel team and see how they handled the legal details. I am using the name GIMP and the image of Wilber in my podcast Meet the GIMP at http://meetthegimp.org. As far as I remember I asked here and got a thumbs up. And until today nobody sued me ;-) ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP in-game feature
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eckhard M. Jäger wrote: Dear GIMP developers, i am a artist of the TORCS-NG racing game project. TORCS-NG is the active development fork of the famous open source 3D racing game TORCS. In the past the TORCS-NG team startet creating virtual brands for car- and track design. I proposed to feature open source projects we (the TORCS-NG team) love. We like to feature GIMP as a panel at the border of a track or a car skin too. So we like to get the permission to do so and we like to know what kind of license the GIMP logo has (the artwork must be distrubuted as CC/ Free Art License). We created a small gallery so you can imagine what TORCS-NG will be. Here you find examples of car skins: http://www.neeneenee.de/torcs-ng/gallery/ Best regards. Eckhard M. Jäger ___/\___ Plastiktütenpenner ist kein anerkannter Beruf. |\/\/\/| | |Bart. | (O)(O)b...@neeneenee.de C _) | ,_/ Linux for Designers - http://my.opera.com/area42/blog/ | / SweeTS delicious Typo3 development - http://typo3.area42.de/ / \ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer Perhaps this is a resolved issue now. But I just thought I'd mention that SuperTuxKart also uses Wilber. Might help to talk to their devel team and see how they handled the legal details. - -- Christopher Howard http://indicium.us http://theologia.indicium.us I digitally sign all of my e-mails via PGP. If you receive any e-mails supposedly from me without my valid PGP signature, please take additional steps to verify the authenticity of the message. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkqhT0AACgkQQ5FLNdi0BcUmcQCeMP06E+CCFcRWusJgWeRwiGgD KZUAnRF9e5zicDmsdfEv/NmslfByJ5jV =lhnE -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP in-game feature
Hello Martin, tanks for your reply. I understand your point, so i have three qustions: Do we get the permission promoting GIMP in TORCS-NG in general? Who is the author of the Wilber image located in /usr/share/gimp/2.0/images/wilber.png (Tuomas Kuosmanen too?) ? Is the GIMP typo at the webpage (http://www.gimp.org/images/frontsplash26.png) a font or a special artwork? Who is the author of it? Thanx for your help and sorry for all these question. ___/\___ Ich darf keine Kurven schneiden. |\/\/\/| | |Bart. | (O)(O)b...@neeneenee.de C _) | ,_/ Linux for Designers - http://my.opera.com/area42/blog/ | / SweeTS delicious Typo3 development - http://typo3.area42.de/ / \ Am Sonntag, den 30.08.2009, 22:02 +0200 schrieb Martin Nordholts: On 08/30/2009 09:51 PM, Eckhard M. Jäger wrote: Hello Martin, thanks a lot for your help, so it should be possible. So we have your permission too? Hi, Hold on. There seems to be confusion here. CC and GPL are not compatible, which would be a problem for you. And I don't have the authority to give you permissions to use the logo in any way, I'm not the author of it. / Martin ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP in-game feature
On 08/31/2009 10:30 AM, Eckhard M. Jäger wrote: Do we get the permission promoting GIMP in TORCS-NG in general? Hi, Personally I am totally fine with you promoting GIMP and find it hard imagine anyone being against that. Who is the author of the Wilber image located in /usr/share/gimp/2.0/images/wilber.png (Tuomas Kuosmanen too?) ? I don't know, but since it's installed it is in the source, and if it is in the source you can find out the author by looking at the file history in git. Is the GIMP typo at the webpage (http://www.gimp.org/images/frontsplash26.png) a font or a special artwork? Who is the author of it? That's a font, I think the name is Wide Awake but I'm not sure. Someone probably remembers. / Martin -- My GIMP Blog: http://www.chromecode.com/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP in-game feature
Hi, Hold on. There seems to be confusion here. CC and GPL are not compatible, which would be a problem for you. And I don't have the authority to give you permissions to use the logo in any way, I'm not the author of it. Don't you think there is too much confusion, problems and hold on to use one or two free as in speech images in an open source project ? Personally, I think there is no need to bother with such nonsense and simply act freely. Otherwise there can't be even talk of anything more than free as in beer. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP in-game feature
Bill Skaggs wrote: To clarify the issue here, some names, such as PhotoShop and Linux, are trademarked and require permission in order to be used. Gimp, however, is not trademarked, so no permission is needed. Hm... http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/TrademarkGuidelines HTH, Michael -- GIMP http://www.gimp.org | IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/gimp Wiki http://wiki.gimp.org | .de: http://gimpforum.de Plug-ins http://registry.gimp.org | ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP in-game feature
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Martin Nordholts ense...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/31/2009 10:30 AM, Eckhard M. Jäger wrote: Do we get the permission promoting GIMP in TORCS-NG in general? Hi, Personally I am totally fine with you promoting GIMP and find it hard imagine anyone being against that. To clarify the issue here, some names, such as PhotoShop and Linux, are trademarked and require permission in order to be used. Gimp, however, is not trademarked, so no permission is needed. -- Bill ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP in-game feature
On 08/31/2009 07:14 PM, Aurimas Juška wrote: Hi, Hold on. There seems to be confusion here. CC and GPL are not compatible, which would be a problem for you. And I don't have the authority to give you permissions to use the logo in any way, I'm not the author of it. Don't you think there is too much confusion, problems and hold on to use one or two free as in speech images in an open source project ? Personally, I think there is no need to bother with such nonsense and simply act freely. Otherwise there can't be even talk of anything more than free as in beer. I agree with you, personally I wouldn't take any issues at all if he used the images in a reasonable way (such as giving credit to GIMP). Since he asks for permission though I assume he cares a lot about not violating any licenses, and since he wants to distribute in CC but the image (when distributed with GIMP) is under GPL, he has a problem, strictly speaking. But again, taking legal action would be insane IMHO. / Martin -- My GIMP Blog: http://www.chromecode.com/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP in-game feature
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.dewrote: Bill Skaggs wrote: To clarify the issue here, some names, such as PhotoShop and Linux, are trademarked and require permission in order to be used. Gimp, however, is not trademarked, so no permission is needed. Hm... http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/TrademarkGuidelines Interesting -- I did a search for Gimp trademark and didn't find that. But is there any evidence that Gimp is actually trademarked? Unlike copyright, trademarks are not automatic -- they must be applied for and approved. They must also be actively defended in order to be enforceable. -- Bill ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP in-game feature
On 08/31/2009 09:00 PM, Bill Skaggs wrote: Interesting -- I did a search for Gimp trademark and didn't find that. But is there any evidence that Gimp is actually trademarked? Unlike copyright, trademarks are not automatic -- they must be applied for and approved. They must also be actively defended in order to be enforceable. The details depends on jurisdiction The wikipedia page talks about unregistered trademarks too / Martin -- My GIMP Blog: http://www.chromecode.com/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP in-game feature
Bill Skaggs wrote: Michael Schumacher wrote: Hm... http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/TrademarkGuidelines Interesting -- I did a search for Gimp trademark and didn't find that. But is there any evidence that Gimp is actually trademarked? Unlike copyright, trademarks are not automatic -- they must be applied for and approved. They must also be actively defended in order to be enforceable. That page very much looks like a spoof of http://www.adobe.com/misc/trade.html#section-4 :D -- Kurt Bernhard Pruenner --- Haendelstrasse 17 --- 4020 Linz --- Austria ...It might be written Mindfuck, but it's spelt L-A-I-N... np: Shitmat - Fairy Green Liquid (One Foot In The Rave) ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP in-game feature
Hi, weska...@gmail.com (2009-08-31 at 1200.43 -0700): To clarify the issue here, some names, such as PhotoShop and Linux, are trademarked and require permission in order to be used. Gimp, however, is not trademarked, so no permission is needed. Hm... http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/TrademarkGuidelines Interesting -- I did a search for Gimp trademark and didn't find that. But is there any evidence that Gimp is actually trademarked? Unlike copyright, trademarks are not automatic -- they must be applied for and approved. They must also be actively defended in order to be enforceable. IIRC that page is a satire of the trademark page of another program. So take it with a grain of salt. GSR ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP in-game feature
I believe that the GIMP logos are licensed under the GPL. If you wish to have them relicensed as CC then you could speak to the author of a particular logo. I am not sure about compatibility with the Free Art License. 2009/8/30 Eckhard M. b...@neeneenee.de: Please, can someone answer my request. Thanks. Am Samstag, den 29.08.2009, 19:59 +0200 schrieb Eckhard M. Jäger: Dear GIMP developers, i am a artist of the TORCS-NG racing game project. TORCS-NG is the active development fork of the famous open source 3D racing game TORCS. In the past the TORCS-NG team startet creating virtual brands for car- and track design. I proposed to feature open source projects we (the TORCS-NG team) love. We like to feature GIMP as a panel at the border of a track or a car skin too. So we like to get the permission to do so and we like to know what kind of license the GIMP logo has (the artwork must be distrubuted as CC/ Free Art License). We created a small gallery so you can imagine what TORCS-NG will be. Here you find examples of car skins: http://www.neeneenee.de/torcs-ng/gallery/ Best regards. Eckhard M. Jäger ___/\___ Plastiktütenpenner ist kein anerkannter Beruf. |\/\/\/| | |Bart. | (O)(O)b...@neeneenee.de C _) | ,_/ Linux for Designers - http://my.opera.com/area42/blog/ | / SweeTS delicious Typo3 development - http://typo3.area42.de/ / \ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP in-game feature
On 08/30/2009 09:09 PM, Eckhard M. Jäger wrote: Please, can someone answer my request. Thanks. GIMP is distributed under GPL and LGPL / Martin -- My GIMP Blog: http://www.chromecode.com/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP in-game feature
Quoting Eckhard M.\ Jäger b...@neeneenee.de: So we like to get the permission to do so and we like to know what kind of license the GIMP logo has (the artwork must be distrubuted as CC/ Free Art License). According to http://www.gimp.org/about/linking.html , the provided images of Wilber, GIMP's mascot/logo, can be copied freely. My interpretation of this (which carries no authority whatsoever) is that there should be no problem with your usage of the Wilber image as long as it is being associated with the GIMP project. As far as precise, formal licensing terms are concerned, the Wilber artwork was initially created by Tuomas Kuosmanen (http://www.tigert.com/) and he should probably be contacted for such information. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP in-game feature
On 08/30/2009 09:51 PM, Eckhard M. Jäger wrote: Hello Martin, thanks a lot for your help, so it should be possible. So we have your permission too? Hi, Hold on. There seems to be confusion here. CC and GPL are not compatible, which would be a problem for you. And I don't have the authority to give you permissions to use the logo in any way, I'm not the author of it. / Martin -- My GIMP Blog: http://www.chromecode.com/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] GIMP in-game feature
Dear GIMP developers, i am a artist of the TORCS-NG racing game project. TORCS-NG is the active development fork of the famous open source 3D racing game TORCS. In the past the TORCS-NG team startet creating virtual brands for car- and track design. I proposed to feature open source projects we (the TORCS-NG team) love. We like to feature GIMP as a panel at the border of a track or a car skin too. So we like to get the permission to do so and we like to know what kind of license the GIMP logo has (the artwork must be distrubuted as CC/ Free Art License). We created a small gallery so you can imagine what TORCS-NG will be. Here you find examples of car skins: http://www.neeneenee.de/torcs-ng/gallery/ Best regards. Eckhard M. Jäger ___/\___ Plastiktütenpenner ist kein anerkannter Beruf. |\/\/\/| | |Bart. | (O)(O)b...@neeneenee.de C _) | ,_/ Linux for Designers - http://my.opera.com/area42/blog/ | / SweeTS delicious Typo3 development - http://typo3.area42.de/ / \ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
