Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status
On Fri, 2003-12-19 at 13:21, Daniel Egger wrote: > Am Fre, den 19.12.2003 schrieb Sven Neumann um 19:55: > > > I am pretty sure it loads the DTD from disk if you provide it an XML > > catalog file that shows it where the DTD is found. This file is > > usually called /etc/xml/catalog. See http://xmlsoft.org/catalog.html > > I have this catalog file and xsltproc tries to open it, however it still > continues trying to load the files from net. This is a Debian unstable > system, all DTDs are installed and since some package created this file > I assumed that Debian would automagically make it work, but no > > Do you know where to modify the system to get it work? > > >"http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/entity/release/1.0/catalog.dtd";> > > catalog="/etc/xml/xml-core.xml"/> > systemIdStartString="http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/entity/release/1.0/catalog.dtd"; > catalog="/etc/xml/xml-core.xml"/> > Is that (the above) everythin in your /etc/xml/catalog file? If so, then it's not really surprising that you are running out onto the Internet for everything -- the catalog file is essentially empty. Debian has unfortunately had very poor support for XML catalogs until quite recently. I don't know what the current level is like, since I do not use that distribution. As a start to repairing the problem, have a look at http://www.xmlsoft.org/buildDocBookCatalog which is a shell script to make the required entries for DocBook 4.1.2. If you have a different version of the DocBook DTDs installed (quite possible, since 4.2 is the latest release), you will need to tweak the script a little, but not much. Note that this script creates a separate catalog file and then adjusts /etc/xml/catalog to point to the newly created file (only) for DocBook lookups. That is the standard way to do this stuff, rather than populating /etc/xml/catalog with all your entries (makes packaging easier, too). It may be that the Debian DocBook DTD package already ships a catalog file, in which case you only need to add the appropriate lines to /etc/xml/catalog, which you can take out of the above script. If your catalog set up is working, then XInclude processing will also use it (libxml2 uses the catalogs by default). Cheers, Malcolm ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status
Am Fre, den 19.12.2003 schrieb Sven Neumann um 19:55: > I am pretty sure it loads the DTD from disk if you provide it an XML > catalog file that shows it where the DTD is found. This file is > usually called /etc/xml/catalog. See http://xmlsoft.org/catalog.html I have this catalog file and xsltproc tries to open it, however it still continues trying to load the files from net. This is a Debian unstable system, all DTDs are installed and since some package created this file I assumed that Debian would automagically make it work, but no Do you know where to modify the system to get it work? http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/entity/release/1.0/catalog.dtd";> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/entity/release/1.0/catalog.dtd"; catalog="/etc/xml/xml-core.xml"/> -- Servus, Daniel signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status
Hi, Daniel Egger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Am Don, den 18.12.2003 schrieb Roman Joost um 15:53: > > > Hm.. i didn't had any memory problems with XInclude. If the encoding was > > wrong, the xsltproc throw an error and nothing more ... > > I still do, but only under Mac OSX. More annoying with XInclude is that > xsltproc cannot be taught to really load the DTD from disk and/or cache > the DTD so it doesn't need to repeat this step for every subdocument > again (including issuing another "error" message). I am pretty sure it loads the DTD from disk if you provide it an XML catalog file that shows it where the DTD is found. This file is usually called /etc/xml/catalog. See http://xmlsoft.org/catalog.html Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status
Am Don, den 18.12.2003 schrieb Roman Joost um 15:53: > Hm.. i didn't had any memory problems with XInclude. If the encoding was > wrong, the xsltproc throw an error and nothing more ... I still do, but only under Mac OSX. More annoying with XInclude is that xsltproc cannot be taught to really load the DTD from disk and/or cache the DTD so it doesn't need to repeat this step for every subdocument again (including issuing another "error" message). -- Servus, Daniel signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status
Sorry for replying a bit late, but i didn't looked in my gimp mailinglist folder ... On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 08:08:55AM +0100, Daniel Egger wrote: > Am Mit, den 10.12.2003 schrieb Roman Joost um 22:55: > > > With Raymonds help i'm now be able to build the help with UTF-8 encoded > > XML files, which are "xincluded" in the gimp.xml file. > > Cool. Incidently I've also been working on this and my Mac really has > troubles when trying to compile such files with xsltproc; it will slowly > suck up all memory and finally explode. Was this your problem, too? How > did you solve it? Hm.. i didn't had any memory problems with XInclude. If the encoding was wrong, the xsltproc throw an error and nothing more ... > > The manual itself looks promising. We got some additional writing power > > for the english content. Daryl Lee takes care about the english content > > and Niklas can produce (or better: is producing) swedish content. We, > > Niklas and i, ran into bit trouble lately, when we tried to produce > > the manual with some swedish content. It seems, that docbook doesn't > > have any swedish support?! > > DocBook doesn't need to. :) But I verified that the stylesheets do have > Swedish translations so there shouldn't be any problems. The language > code is 'sv' for Svenska. This is "fixed" :) Thanks and greetings, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status
Am Mit, den 10.12.2003 schrieb Roman Joost um 22:55: > With Raymonds help i'm now be able to build the help with UTF-8 encoded > XML files, which are "xincluded" in the gimp.xml file. Cool. Incidently I've also been working on this and my Mac really has troubles when trying to compile such files with xsltproc; it will slowly suck up all memory and finally explode. Was this your problem, too? How did you solve it? > The manual itself looks promising. We got some additional writing power > for the english content. Daryl Lee takes care about the english content > and Niklas can produce (or better: is producing) swedish content. We, > Niklas and i, ran into bit trouble lately, when we tried to produce > the manual with some swedish content. It seems, that docbook doesn't > have any swedish support?! DocBook doesn't need to. :) But I verified that the stylesheets do have Swedish translations so there shouldn't be any problems. The language code is 'sv' for Svenska. -- Servus, Daniel signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
[Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status
This mail is only a tiny status mail of the current progress on gimp-help-2. With Raymonds help i'm now be able to build the help with UTF-8 encoded XML files, which are "xincluded" in the gimp.xml file. All of the entities are gone and i can replace the last files with the correct unicode characters. I'm looking forward to replace all the old files with the newer UTF-8 stuff on weekend. That means, the CVS should be up to date soon (i've some frensh files on hold). Julien and Raymond are working like machines.. i can't get the files into the CVS as they produce them :) The manual itself looks promising. We got some additional writing power for the english content. Daryl Lee takes care about the english content and Niklas can produce (or better: is producing) swedish content. We, Niklas and i, ran into bit trouble lately, when we tried to produce the manual with some swedish content. It seems, that docbook doesn't have any swedish support?! Additionally, we get some feedback from Ramanan Selvaratnam. He'll support us with additional information about free software backgrounds (sorry, i didn't have the time lately, to read all the mails) and will provide content in 'Tamil' - "a truly global diaspora with a growing interest in FS". Daniel pays attention to him, because he has the most knowledge about the gimp-help-2 project. Hopefully, i've some more time over new year's eve to write german content and stay in sync with Raymond and Julien. I'm looking forward to have a meeting with the Gimpers in Berlin on the 20C3 and a good manual for the Gimp 2. I hope i didn't missed something ... Greetings, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status and suggestions
So, one step ahead to finish the gimp-help-2 move into the new source structure, which finishes the source tree move and add the frensh translation and content from Julien and Raymond. Before i type in my last "cvs commit" i want to verify one exception of my proposal: the image directory. I want to suggest, that we move the image directory containing all the png files into the html directory (where the generated html files are after a "make") and leave the source images (*.XCF Files which are mostly screenshots) in the /src/images directory as suggested. That seems a bit more reasonable for me, because we're separating the image sources from the normal "content" screenshots. Additionally, we don't need to move them into the /html directory or wherever. Yeah, we're saving one move! So, if no one are against this suggestion, i'll check them in as i mentioned here. After that, i'll write a status mail of the actual sources. Greetings, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status and suggestions
On Nov 24, 2003, at 12:02 am, Roman Joost wrote: I tried it with some docs and it rocks. Unfortunately, i'm running into trouble with the german umlauts. Do you've a solution for keeping the umlauts ? We'll switch to UTF-8 which should solve this problem, unless I'm misunderstanding the issue, of course. :) -- Servus, Daniel ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status and suggestions
On Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 08:19:38PM +0100, Daniel Egger wrote: > Go! :=) Yay! > Regarding xinclude: I've a few ideas I'll try the next few hours. It > seems > like a really worthwhile feature to me so let's check how > portable/stable > it is... I tried it with some docs and it rocks. Unfortunately, i'm running into trouble with the german umlauts. Do you've a solution for keeping the umlauts ? Greetings, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status and suggestions
On Nov 22, 2003, at 3:11 pm, Roman Joost wrote: I moved the "stylesheets" directory into the source root. I will change it in the next days, after Daniel will give me the ok. No one has declined the new structure purposal, so i think, that everyone on gimp-help-2 gave this implicit OK to change it? Go! :=) Regarding xinclude: I've a few ideas I'll try the next few hours. It seems like a really worthwhile feature to me so let's check how portable/stable it is... -- Servus, Daniel ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status and suggestions
So i revamped the purposal and it looks now like this: ./ ./src ./src/filters ./src/filters/blur ./src/images ./src/images/glossary ./src/images/tool-options ./src/images/toolbox ./src/images/toolbox/de ./src/images/toolbox/fr ./src/images/toolbox/se ./src/legal ./src/toolbox ./stylesheets ./html/C ./html/de ./html/fr ./html/se I moved the "stylesheets" directory into the source root. I will change it in the next days, after Daniel will give me the ok. No one has declined the new structure purposal, so i think, that everyone on gimp-help-2 gave this implicit OK to change it? Greetings, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status and suggestions
Am Son, den 16.11.2003 schrieb Roman Joost um 00:46: > This is the actual structure. I made a "find ./ -type d" in the gimp-help-2 > and removed the CVS directorys: Agreed. Howver since a few persons are not too happy with the all-languages-concurrently approach I'd like to hear their opinion first. > The "./src" directory contain all the sources, including XML files, > stylesheets and images. I don't like the stylesheets being in one directory with the source though because everything gets mixed together this way. > german and france, as well as in mostly english. Unfortunately, the > english part is mostly undone and i hope, syngin will close the gaps :) I'm afraid this won't happen and I'm certainly *not* happy about it. :( -- Servus, Daniel signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
[Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status and suggestions
After the frensh translation made the way into my gimp-help-2 sandbox, Sven and Brix are pointed me to the current directory structure of the module. In my current point of view, the current "help/C" directory is obsolete and should be replaced with a newer structure. This is the actual structure. I made a "find ./ -type d" in the gimp-help-2 and removed the CVS directorys: ./ ./help ./help/C ./help/C/C ./help/C/de ./help/C/filters ./help/C/filters/blur ./help/C/images ./help/C/images/glossary ./help/C/images/tool-options ./help/C/images/toolbox ./help/C/images/toolbox/de ./help/C/legal ./help/C/toolbox ./help/stylesheets I recommend the following structure (gimp-help-2 is the top directory): ./ ./src ./src/filters ./src/filters/blur ./src/images ./src/images/glossary ./src/images/tool-options ./src/images/toolbox ./src/images/toolbox/de ./src/images/toolbox/fr ./src/images/toolbox/se ./src/legal ./src/toolbox ./src/stylesheets ./html/C ./html/de ./html/fr ./html/se The "./src" directory contain all the sources, including XML files, stylesheets and images. I would suggest, that the generated html pages are going into a source seperated directory which is html. I added the "se" directory which isn't in the actual gimp-help-2, but scizzo is on it, to fill out the directory with content in the future. The language dependend image files (like screenshots) are going into seperated directories (./src/images/toolbox/de). I hope, that i didn't missed something specific. I'm looking forward to hear opinions from all the gimpers. Additionally, i want to inform you about the status of the gimp-help-2. The gimp-help-2 document the current tools (except the color tools) in german and france, as well as in mostly english. Unfortunately, the english part is mostly undone and i hope, syngin will close the gaps :) Alan Horkan is working on the gfig plugin, which is mostly written. Scizzo invested time, to update the structure of the documentation and how the manual structure should look like when its done. I think, that we will need a native english speaking person, who can check over the docs. Okey.. people who checking the docs and help the writers are always appreciated. I added a "whishlist" for users to the gimp wiki. This would help us to stay focused on more important things which are needed by the users. To sum up, thanks a lot for all the work which is now in the module and people are working on. There is much work to do and i'm looking forward to inform you with all the changes which are changed in the next months. Thanks and Greetings, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
