Re: use of the Delete key on Dec keyboard or similar

2000-12-02 Thread Richard Stallman
Okay, now if I understand all this correctly, keyboards (and computers) did not have a delete-to-the-right key or keycode. Indeed, www.asciitable.com shows ascii 8 as Backspace and ascii 127 as DEL. If DEL is interpreted as delete-to-the-left, then we have two codes that mean

Re: [gimp-devel] Re: use of the Delete key on Dec keyboard or similar

2000-12-01 Thread Simon Budig
Richard Stallman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Gimp developers, I asked Olivier to report this because it is a serious (though superficial) problem. Since the Gimp only runs under a window system, it should be able to handle both Backspace and Delete in the same way (as delete-backwards), since

Re: use of the Delete key on Dec keyboard or similar

2000-12-01 Thread Sven Neumann
Olivier Lecarme [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now you only need to get them Gimp developers to make it so :). (I'm not a real full-time developer, I'm just on the list because I fixed a bug not so long ago) GIMP does not do anything about key mappings and it will never do. Configure your

Re: use of the Delete key on Dec keyboard or similar

2000-12-01 Thread Olivier Lecarme
SN GIMP does not do anything about key mappings and it will never do. SN Configure your X-Server correctly and you're done. I would like to make it clear that I do know how to use xmodmap or other X tools. This is NOT a problem of configuring my X server: the Delete key on my keyboard sends a

Re: [gimp-devel] Re: use of the Delete key on Dec keyboard or similar

2000-12-01 Thread Simon Budig
Olivier Lecarme ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: For programs designed after the PC has begun to be the dominant computer, most implementors have taken as granted that a Backspace key is meant to erase on left, and a Delete key is meant to erase on right. This was the simplest solution for them,

Re: use of the Delete key on Dec keyboard or similar

2000-12-01 Thread Lourens Veen
Olivier Lecarme wrote: [snip] Although the PC keyboard is by far the dominant keyboard in the world, it is a design mistake to have put a large Backspace key in place of the Delete key of all the preceding keyboards (note that computers and keyboards existed before the advent of the PC).

Re: use of the Delete key on Dec keyboard or similar

2000-12-01 Thread Richard Stallman
I still do the majority of my work on Linux in terminal windows. It loooks like you're referring to the GNU/Linux operating system, rather than the Linux kernel; if so, would you please write "GNU/Linux"? The GNU Project needs to get credit for the developing the GNU system, since

use of the Delete key on Dec keyboard or similar

2000-11-30 Thread Olivier Lecarme
Dear sirs, I'm using various keyboards, among which several have the layout that was the customary one before the advent of the ubiquitous PC keyboard. I.e., the key in the upper-right part of the main keyboard is the Delete key (key value 127, key symbol Delete). There is no Backspace key on

Re: use of the Delete key on Dec keyboard or similar

2000-11-30 Thread Miles O'Neal
Olivier Lecarme said... | |The problem is that the Gimp considers that the key in this position is |always a Backspace, I'm assuming you are using the X Window system and a UNIX variant, based on the systems you mentioned. If so, the issue is probably not the GIMP, since it doesn't know

Re: use of the Delete key on Dec keyboard or similar

2000-11-30 Thread Olivier Lecarme
On Thu, 30 Nov 100 10:53:30 -0600 (CST), you said: MON Olivier Lecarme said... MON | MON |The problem is that the Gimp considers that the key in this position is MON |always a Backspace, MON I'm assuming you are using the X Window system and a UNIX variant, MON based on the systems you

Re: use of the Delete key on Dec keyboard or similar

2000-11-30 Thread Richard Stallman
Thanks for sending the report. Gimp developers, I asked Olivier to report this because it is a serious (though superficial) problem. Since the Gimp only runs under a window system, it should be able to handle both Backspace and Delete in the same way (as delete-backwards), since both of them

Re: use of the Delete key on Dec keyboard or similar

2000-11-30 Thread Lourens Veen
Right, but then there's another problem (at least for me). How would I change my Xmodmap so that gimp will do a delete-forward when I press my delete key? There would have to be at least one X key message that gets interpreted as such, otherwise modifying Xmodmap to get the old behaviour back

Re: use of the Delete key on Dec keyboard or similar

2000-11-30 Thread Miles O'Neal
Lourens Veen said... | |Right, but then there's another problem (at least for me). How would I |change my Xmodmap so that gimp will do a delete-forward when I press my |delete key? There would have to be at least one X key message that gets |interpreted as such, otherwise modifying Xmodmap to get