Re: [Gimp-developer] Friends of GIMP
david gowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > kevin: > you misunderstood. > it makes sense to store the Palettes as a list.. but not the contents of the > palettes. what i meant was that each GimpPalette has a GList of > GimpPaletteEntries. > > GArray-based allocation would be one way to optimize memory allocation, which > is currently unnecessarily inefficient(2 mallocs per each palette entry?!.) > and slows the palette editing down significantly for large palettes (>256). > it may be able to eliminate the 'position' attribute for each palette entry, > which as noted in gimppalette.h is EEK*. > > next best would be allocating the GimpPaletteEntries using a GMemChunk while > ordering them using the current GList arrangements. > this appears straightforward and i could probably make a patch for it easily. > > * and appears to be because there is a widget for each color in the gimp > palette editor, rather than a single widget for the entire grid. which i > don't see a good rationale for either. maybe its just a hack that avoids > having to calculate which color was clicked on using the realized widget > dimensions. It appears you didn't even look at the code before claiming that each palette color has its own widget. ciao, --mitch ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Friends of GIMP
kevin: you misunderstood. it makes sense to store the Palettes as a list.. but not the contents of the palettes. what i meant was that each GimpPalette has a GList of GimpPaletteEntries. GArray-based allocation would be one way to optimize memory allocation, which is currently unnecessarily inefficient(2 mallocs per each palette entry?!.) and slows the palette editing down significantly for large palettes (>256). it may be able to eliminate the 'position' attribute for each palette entry, which as noted in gimppalette.h is EEK*. next best would be allocating the GimpPaletteEntries using a GMemChunk while ordering them using the current GList arrangements. this appears straightforward and i could probably make a patch for it easily. * and appears to be because there is a widget for each color in the gimp palette editor, rather than a single widget for the entire grid. which i don't see a good rationale for either. maybe its just a hack that avoids having to calculate which color was clicked on using the realized widget dimensions. --- david gowers ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Friends of GIMP
At 07:57 PM 12/31/2003 -0500, david gowers wrote: in the realm of 'discussion', does anyone here know why GimpPalette is implemented using a list? it seems a lot saner to use an array. Just as a guess, if you mean 'linked list' by 'list', then its probably to avoid the headaches created by using a fixed array to hold an indeterminate amount of information (ie. an unknown number of palettes). Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172|"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:[EMAIL PROTECTED]| Try to assimilate the world!" #include| -Pinkutus & the Borg ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Friends of GIMP
On 31 Dec 2003, Sven Neumann wrote: >> I'll be happy if palettes were sorted not only by name >Are you refering to how the list of palettes is sorted or to the order >of the colors in the palette? The list of palettes. ;) -- //\/\ Marco (LM) Lamberto (lm AT sunnyspot DOT org) The Sunny Spot - http://the.sunnyspot.org/ SIForge.org - http://www.siforge.org/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Friends of GIMP
Hi, Marco Lamberto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'll be happy if palettes were sorted not only by name Are you refering to how the list of palettes is sorted or to the order of the colors in the palette? Sven PS: http://adrian.gimp.org/sortpal/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Friends of GIMP
Hi, david gowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > my involvement has been impeded by these things: > - lack of documentation (hard to find my way around the gimp > sourcetree without general guides as to what goes where (where to > find/add a particular feature.) http://developer.gimp.org/api/1.3/app/ is the best we can offer you at the moment. At least you don't have to dig around in several hundreds files living in the same directory without any clear dependencies. The new source code structure should be a lot easier to understand and it has definitely become easier to work on one area w/o the risk of breaking unrelated stuff. This was almost impossible with the 1.2 code base. You should also have a look at devel-docs/structure.xml. This document is a first draft of an explanation of the GIMP source code structure. I haven't got around to finish it yet but perhaps it can be helpful already. > - lack of knowledge of general 'modus operandi'. for example, > i have a whole directory just for enhancement ideas. they are all > practical in the sense i know how to implement them in general. i > don't know whether to add them to bugzilla, because i don't know > what the policy is for enhancement requests. The policy is that you are supposed to add your enhancement requests to Bugzilla with severity set to "enhancement". Please check for similar reports before you create a new one. Duplicate reports cause us a lot of unneeded maintainance work. > in the realm of 'discussion', does anyone here know why GimpPalette is > implemented using a list? it seems a lot saner to use an array. Probably because manipulating an array is a lot more cumbersome than using a list, in particular if you want to insert/remove and reorder entries. I don't see how a simple array would be saner but I didn't look into the details of GimpPalette lately. Perhaps a GArray might be a reasonable alternative? > i would like to convert it to use an array if possible, as it would > simplify future enhancements, and hopefully remove the need for the > 'position' attribute. Could you outline how this would simplify future enhancements? Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Friends of GIMP
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, david gowers wrote: >in the realm of 'discussion', does anyone here know why GimpPalette is >implemented using a list? it seems a lot saner to use an array. >i would like to convert it to use an array if possible, as it would simplify >future enhancements, and hopefully remove the need for the 'position' >attribute. Lists are more flexible structures than arrays! I don't remember where is the "position" attribute, anyway I'll be happy if palettes were sorted not only by name and the often used ones can be moved in a sort of "favorite" section. ;) Happy new year, Marco -- //\/\ Marco (LM) Lamberto (lm AT sunnyspot DOT org) The Sunny Spot - http://the.sunnyspot.org/ SIForge.org - http://www.siforge.org/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Friends of GIMP
i definitely want to get more involved with gimp development. (at the moment, i would most like to upgrade the palette-editor to match or exceed a general palette editor i wrote previously.) my involvement has been impeded by these things: - lack of documentation (hard to find my way around the gimp sourcetree without general guides as to what goes where (where to find/add a particular feature.) - lack of knowledge of general 'modus operandi'. for example, i have a whole directory just for enhancement ideas. they are all practical in the sense i know how to implement them in general. i don't know whether to add them to bugzilla, because i don't know what the policy is for enhancement requests. how far in the future can they be? (eg. a few enhancement ideas i have would rely on gegl's colorspace transformation system) in the realm of 'discussion', does anyone here know why GimpPalette is implemented using a list? it seems a lot saner to use an array. i would like to convert it to use an array if possible, as it would simplify future enhancements, and hopefully remove the need for the 'position' attribute. -- david gowers ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Friends of GIMP
Hi, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The list is a list of people who were active in the project several > years ago, but who have gone on to other things. It would be nice to > get some of them back working on the GIMP, if they have the time. IMO everyone should be free to leave the project at any time. These people decided that they don't want to actively contribute any longer or they had other reasons that keep them from contributing. I don't think it makes sense to try to bring them back in this way. Instead we should focus on new developers. People who aren't busy with other things and who will bring in some new ideas. So we need to make the code more attractive to hack on. We need to document it better, we need to explain and discuss changes on this list. If we succeed to attract some new developers this way, perhaps we can also get some of the old coders back to work on The GIMP. However I don't think the latter should be of any priority. > this is a little effort on our part (on my part) to communicate > better with some people who are likely to be interested in what's > happening with the gimp. The list is pretty incomplete, as Daniel > Egger says, that's why I sent it here to get more suggestions. And > as you say, some of these people are still on the developers list. IMO you should better spend that effort on communicating this to everyone out there. Look at it, would you start coding on a project that you left years ago just because someone sends you a mail? This plan looks a lot like wasted effort to me. > Basically, the two groups where we can hope to get volunteers are > people who have already helped with the gimp, and people who have > never done so. The problem with the latter group is that they don't > have the accumulated knowledge of experience. It's not that many of the people on your list have experience with the current GIMP code. Not much is left from the old days. A lot of things changed and I would find it rather dangerous to get the same people back on the code that wrote it originally. They might assume that the code still works the way it used to work five years ago. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Friends of GIMP
Hi, Juhana Sadeharju <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you really look for volunteers, then here I am. Anyone coder > would like to implement with me an alternative selection tool (as > existing tool seems to be practically unusable)? GIMP has a bunch of selection tools and they seem to work quite well for a lot of people. I think I know what problems you are refering to but it would help the discussion if you could specify which selection tools you are talking about and how they could be improved. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Friends of GIMP
>From: Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >A couple of people asked this question - I thought I'd explained the idea >pretty well, but I guess I missed the mark. Gone with the wind? How about changing the title of the list to "retired GIMP coders"? Then everyone would know what you really mean. Sooo... who would like to go through the list and ask if they would have time to work with GIMP? Ask their employers if they would sponsor GIMP project by allowing the people work on GIMP a few hours a week? Note the "coders" in the new title. The list excludes all those who have contributed great ideas to the list, but who have not coded. If you really look for volunteers, then here I am. Anyone coder would like to implement with me an alternative selection tool (as existing tool seems to be practically unusable)? For the start... Regards, Juhana ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Friends of GIMP
Hi, Quoting Kevin Cozens: > What is supposed to be the point of such a list? If you pulled names from a > changelog you are probably making a list of the more active developers of > the GIMP who are probably already on the gimp-devel mailing list. A couple of people asked this question - I thought I'd explained the idea pretty well, but I guess I missed the mark. The list is a list of people who were active in the project several years ago, but who have gone on to other things. It would be nice to get some of them back working on the GIMP, if they have the time. So this is a little effort on our part (on my part) to communicate better with some people who are likely to be interested in what's happening with the gimp. The list is pretty incomplete, as Daniel Egger says, that's why I sent it here to get more suggestions. And as you say, some of these people are still on the developers list. Basically, the two groups where we can hope to get volunteers are people who have already helped with the gimp, and people who have never done so. The problem with the latter group is that they don't have the accumulated knowledge of experience, and we don't know who they are. The former group are both experienced, and known. Therefore, they're easier to get in touch with :) So - that's the idea. Any additions to the list are graciously accepted. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary Lyon, France ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Friends of GIMP
Hi Dave, David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Here's the list of names on the Friends of GIMP list Please excuse my ignorance, but would you mind to explain the purpose of this list again? I still do not understand how you want to use this collection of email addresses for. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Friends of GIMP
On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:40:14 +0100 David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's the list of names on the Friends of GIMP list > Jay Cox <16 of the 18 friends snipped> > Chris Lahey Only 18 friends? Does the Gimp need more friends? Or does the "Friends of Gimp" have some other meaning that we newbies do not understand? Owen ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Friends of GIMP
At 04:40 PM 12/24/2003 +0100, you wrote: Here's the list of names on the Friends of GIMP list at the momenta What is supposed to be the point of such a list? If you pulled names from a changelog you are probably making a list of the more active developers of the GIMP who are probably already on the gimp-devel mailing list. Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172|"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:[EMAIL PROTECTED]| Try to assimilate the world!" #include| -Pinkutus & the Borg ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Friends of GIMP
Hi all, Here's the list of names on the Friends of GIMP list at the momenta The e-mail addresses I havce are from old changelogs and mailing list archives (for obvious reasons I haven't included them in the mail). If there are names I've forgotten, or e-mail addresses which have changed in the last 3 years, or your name is on here and you'd rather it not be, please send me a mail. I'm going to be away for a few days, so don't be too worried if you don't get an answer straight away. Cheers, Dave. Jay Cox Tor Lilliqvist Austin Donnelly Garry R. Osgood Nick Lamb Owen Taylor Larry Ewing Andy Thomas Adam Moss Federico Mena Quintero Kelly Martin Zach Beane Vidar Madsen Adrian Likins Rebecca (Bex) (sorry, forgotten her surname) Shawn Amundsen Seth Burgess Chris Lahey -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Friends of GIMP
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: > David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > What do people think of the idea of a Friends of GIMP list that gets > > added to the announce list when we make a release, for example? > > I thought that's what gimp-developer was for. Personally I don't think that's what the developer list is for... The developers list is for people actively involved. I doubt S&P are on the developers list, for example. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of older heads are no longer subscribed to the list (although I'm sure that many have stayed subscribed). The devel list is not pro-active. It does nothing to get people into the project, which is what we need. You could call this targeted spam, if you like... and effort to actively get in contact with people who used to hang around, and don't any more. An effort to become the cool kids again :) Recently the only way people outside our little clan have been hearing about the GIMP is through release announcements. With no disrespect intended to the site, it's not been the medium that we've used for disseminating information, and www. looks a bit old these days. mmmaybe hasn't had the news updating, most gimp people don't syndicate blogs in the way that, say GNOME developers do (I don't know how many times I've heard about cool new GNOME stuff through blog comments). So we need to make an effort in this respect. There are 2 groups of people that we can aim for - people who once were heavy GIMPers, the people (like Xach, say) who were never developers, but did a huge amount to make a community around it, and people who have never been GIMPers, but have a lot to offer (new arrivals who have made a huge impact recently are Joao, Pedro and Roman - we need more people like them). The Friends of GIMP is one way to target the first group - for a start, we know exactly who they are, which makes the task a lot easier. I think that if the community starts to become as vibrant as it was in the 1.1.x days, we will not have huge problems with the second group. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Friends of GIMP (was GNOME)
Hi all, Thanks to the people who pointed out my very Freudian slip above. While we are, in large part, friends of GNOME, that's not what I meant to write :) Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
