Re: An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-14 Thread Garry R. Osgood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 13 Feb, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote: > > > This can be dangerous; you can get a resizing loop if your code isn't > > carefully written. Window managers can refuse to accept a client > > resize request or can modify it, which could result in a duel between > > GIMP and t

Re: An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-14 Thread Daniel . Egger
On 13 Feb, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote: > This can be dangerous; you can get a resizing loop if your code isn't > carefully written. Window managers can refuse to accept a client > resize request or can modify it, which could result in a duel between > GIMP and the window manager as the two fight ov

Re: An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-13 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:21:39 -0500 (EST), Glyph Lefkowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Rather than doing this, wouldn't it be possible to do the same thing >that terminals do, I.E. make the window resizable by char cells >rather than pixels? I like the fact that I can resize the window as >I work

Re: An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-13 Thread Glyph Lefkowitz
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:25:04 +0200 (EET), Tor Lillqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > >One suggestion would be to not have the toolbox user-resizeable via > >the window manager at all, but to have in the Preferences a setting > >where you use a spinbutton to set the number of columns. If you s

Re: An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-13 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:25:04 +0200 (EET), Tor Lillqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >One suggestion would be to not have the toolbox user-resizeable via >the window manager at all, but to have in the Preferences a setting >where you use a spinbutton to set the number of columns. If you start >from,

Re: An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-13 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin
On Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:50:07 +0100 (CET), [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Hm, couldn't we use the event handling system to automatically resize > the toolbox to a new good value on every resize event: > If you enlarge the toolbox the window size automatically snaps on the > next convenient size and vic

Re: An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-11 Thread Jarda Benkovsky
Raphael Quinet wrote: > 1. Use WM hints to ensure that the toolbox has a minimum width. This ... > 2. Try to take corrective measures in the Gimp when it detects that ... > 3. Make it possible to split the toolbox in several independent ... > 4. Use some tricks in Gtk to make sure that the full

Re: An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-11 Thread Tor Lillqvist
One suggestion would be to not have the toolbox user-resizeable via the window manager at all, but to have in the Preferences a setting where you use a spinbutton to set the number of columns. If you start from, say, three columns, and keep increasing the number, at the point where the number of r

Re: An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-10 Thread Manish Singh
On Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 10:29:56AM -0500, Zach Beane - MINT wrote: > On Sat, Feb 12, 2000 at 10:09:42AM -0600, Jon Winters wrote: > > > > I've had problems with the toolbox ever since it became re-sizable. I can > > size it exactly the way I want it, three vertical rows of tools with > > colors,

Re: An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-10 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 07:50:07PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hm, couldn't we use the event handling system to automatically resize > the toolbox to a new good value on every resize event: Yes. However, I estimate that it is easier to implement a saner menu display than to implement the

Re: Move help menu item to last-on-left not first-on-right?

2000-02-10 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 10:16:12AM +, Nick Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's not a gratuitous change, but I'm not going to defend it to the > death if people object. Well, I see your point now. I would not object to do this in 1.2 (but only then, since it is yet another menu shortcoming

Re: An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-10 Thread Jon Winters
I've had problems with the toolbox ever since it became re-sizable. I can size it exactly the way I want it, three vertical rows of tools with colors, brushes, patterns, and gradients below but the brushes, patterns, and gradients are always pushed outside the window, invisible and un-usable. I

Re: An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-10 Thread Daniel . Egger
On 10 Feb, Raphael Quinet wrote: >> Flexibility is ok.. but some time create problems. >> Why don't set fixed sizes x*y to cover all the dimension of toolbar? >> This could be usefull to have right dimension and good >> rappresentation. > Unfortunately, this is not so simple. Constraining the d

Re: [gimp-devel] Re: An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-10 Thread Sven Neumann
> > I've had problems with the toolbox ever since it became re-sizable. I can > > size it exactly the way I want it, three vertical rows of tools with > > colors, brushes, patterns, and gradients below but the brushes, patterns, > > and gradients are always pushed outside the window, invisible an

Re: An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-10 Thread Zach Beane - MINT
On Sat, Feb 12, 2000 at 10:09:42AM -0600, Jon Winters wrote: > > I've had problems with the toolbox ever since it became re-sizable. I can > size it exactly the way I want it, three vertical rows of tools with > colors, brushes, patterns, and gradients below but the brushes, patterns, > and grad

Re: [gimp-devel] Re: An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-10 Thread Simon Budig
Jon Winters ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I've had problems with the toolbox ever since it became re-sizable. I can > size it exactly the way I want it, three vertical rows of tools with > colors, brushes, patterns, and gradients below but the brushes, patterns, > and gradients are always pushed o

Re: An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-10 Thread Raphael Quinet
On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, Jon Winters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ^ You seem to have a problem with the date on your computer. :-) > I've had problems with the toolbox ever since it became re-sizable. I can > size it exactly the way I want it, three vertical rows of tools with > co

Re: An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-10 Thread Jon Winters
I'll try your technique but shouldn't the toolbox be coded so that all parts are visible all the time? End users are going to be frightned if they resize the toolbox using the corner of the window like they would with anything else and parts start dissappearing. To make matters worse, I messed

Re: An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-10 Thread Raphael Quinet
On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, "Daniele Medri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > about Toolbox resizeble. > > Flexibility is ok.. but some time create problems. > Why don't set fixed sizes x*y to cover all the dimension of toolbar? > This could be usefull to have right dimension and good rappresentation. Unfor

Re: An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-10 Thread Daniele Medri
> Here is an interesting experiment for those who do not understand > what the problem is with the "Help" item in the toolbox: > - start Gimp > - resize the toolbox so that all tools are on a single column > (approx. 30 x 750 pixels) > - try to open a new image, or to do anything useful about

An experiment (was Re: Move help menu item...)

2000-02-10 Thread Raphael Quinet
Here is an interesting experiment for those who do not understand what the problem is with the "Help" item in the toolbox: - start Gimp - resize the toolbox so that all tools are on a single column (approx. 30 x 750 pixels) - try to open a new image, or to do anything useful The problem is that

Re: Move help menu item to last-on-left not first-on-right?

2000-02-10 Thread Raphael Quinet
On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Nick Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 04:47:48AM +0100, Marc Lehmann wrote: > > c) you gave _no_ reason why? > > Ah, that wasn't clear from my diagrams? GTK+ draws space either side of > a menu item, so the Help menu can cover over Xtns, making it use

Re: Move help menu item

2000-02-10 Thread Nick Lamb
On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 09:55:26PM -0700, Michael J. Hammel wrote: > He sort of said so, but it wasn't clear to me at first either. The problem > is that with the Toolbox squeezed in tight horizontally, the Help menu's > text button can be squeezed off the right side. His way, that button is > b

Re: [gimp-devel] Re: Move help menu item to last-on-left not first-on-right?

2000-02-10 Thread Simon Budig
Nick Lamb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [Reordering the Toolbox Menubar, because "Help" clobbers "Xtns" with narrow Toolboxes] What about renaming "Help" to "?" ? Maybe we can do this automagically in narrow Toolboxes. Is there a way to detect the clobbering? Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PR

Re: Move help menu item to last-on-left not first-on-right?

2000-02-10 Thread Nick Lamb
On Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 04:47:48AM +0100, Marc Lehmann wrote: > a) what does HCI mean? ;) Someone already answered this. To see bad examples, either look at http://www.iarchitect.com/mshame.htm or look in a good bookstore. > b) I always see programs do it the way gimp does it, so there must be >

Re: Move help menu item

2000-02-09 Thread Michael J. Hammel
Thus spoke Marc Lehmann > a) what does HCI mean? ;) Human/Computer interfaces, I think. But I've been wrong before. > b) I always see programs do it the way gimp does it, so there must be >something about it Its sort of a defacto standard (there are probably some style guides that say to d

Re: Move help menu item to last-on-left not first-on-right?

2000-02-09 Thread Miles O'Neal
Marc Lehmann said... | |a) what does HCI mean? ;) Human-computer interface |b) I always see programs do it the way gimp does it, so there must be | something about it It gets done both ways - depends on the OS, the window manager, the app, the toolkit... I prefer it all the way to the right,

Re: Move help menu item to last-on-left not first-on-right?

2000-02-09 Thread Marc Lehmann
On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 03:14:58PM +, Nick Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd like to change the Toolbox to do this: > > Can people please tell me why (technical or HCI reasons) I shouldn't a) what does HCI mean? ;) b) I always see programs do it the way gimp does it, so there must be