Re: Pathtool?
On Sun, Feb 06, 2000 at 03:14:06PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > It doesnt work. You can click to add points, and move them around. It > > is very nice start for a new gui for Bezier tool but it is not > > _working_ since you cannot really do anything useful with it yet. > > What's missing except of converting the paths to a selection? > I never use the bezier path tool because it never works like > someone would expect it: A click here, a click there and you've > got more points marked than you would like to have :( It is also not possible to pull out the handles I think, thus at this point it is a polygon tool :) I'm expecting a lot from this tool though, I really wish Simon and the dudes have time to finish it. Tuomas -- .---( t i g e r t @ g i m p . o r g )---. | some stuff at http://tigert.gimp.org/ | `---'
Re: [gimp-devel] Re: Pathtool?
On 7 Feb, Simon Budig wrote: > Agreed. Its a pity that I dont have the time to complete the tool at > the moment and - as pointed out earlier - I dont dare to touch the > Path-Dialog in the current feature-freeze state. The > converting-to-selection should be pretty easy. Hm, I'll have a look at this and will make some tests whether this works >>> I'd like to hear the thoughts of developers, too > Hmm - Sven is no developer??? Of course he is, and a very important one indeed. It's a very bad and silly typo. Should have been: 'I'd like to hear the thoughts of OTHER developers, too' One thought isn't enough for me... :) > The behaviour of the old Path-tool is strange - yes. But I dont think > it is buggy. I can not remember how to use it and so it sometimes > seems strange when clicking on an anchor creates a new anchor. But > this is not a bug: To move an anchor you have to press IIRC Ctrl. OK, will try to use it... Let's get 1.2 out of the door so we can concentrate on the nifty features again... :)) -- Servus, Daniel
Re: Pathtool?
On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 09:43:17AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 6 Feb, Marc Lehmann wrote: > > > This has been mentioned at least three times on this list: one of them > > works, the other doesn't. > > Both don't work correctly, as I stated before. Do you read my mails? > The Bezier Select Tool behaves very strange: Points appear automatically > here and there and sometimes I can't change a curve. I don't know how > this can be reproduced as I can't trigger this bugs always... :/ It has the problem of being very sensitive to pointer accuracy :( Other than that it works very well, but the bezier tool is perhaps one of the most complex tools in a image manipulation program. It is also one of the most powerful ones, thus taking some time to learn. But the point in the path tool is that it was intended as a replacement _gui_ for the bezier tool, making the _gui_ more usable. Like it has been mentioned before, it is work in progress and thus doesnt do anything useful yet. There is no problem in deciding which one to keep, once it works and is debugged, the current bezier tool shall die and the path tool shall take its place in the glory. > > Even a gimp-beginner can find this out in minute or so. > > A beginner will most probably not use this tool for making > selection because it'll give strange results if you don't know how it > works... No, this aren't just my thoughts. I demonstrated the GIMP > to quite a lot of people who are using it now and tell me those things. I have made a tutorial on this, which you might find helpful (at least a lot of people have told me it helped them) http://tigert.gimp.org/gimp/tutorials/ It is just a complex tool, and requires quite a bit of practice. The path tool plays a major role in photoshop books and courses too. Tuomas -- .---( t i g e r t @ g i m p . o r g )---. | some stuff at http://tigert.gimp.org/ | `---'
Re: Pathtool?
On 7 Feb, Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote: > It has the problem of being very sensitive to pointer accuracy :( > Other than that it works very well, but the bezier tool is perhaps one > of the most complex tools in a image manipulation program. It is also > one of the most powerful ones, thus taking some time to learn. But the > point in the path tool is that it was intended as a replacement _gui_ > for the bezier tool, making the _gui_ more usable. Like it has been > mentioned before, it is work in progress and thus doesnt do anything > useful yet. There is no problem in deciding which one to keep, once it > works and is debugged, the current bezier tool shall die and the path > tool shall take its place in the glory. Sounds reasonable... > I have made a tutorial on this, which you might find helpful (at least > a lot of people have told me it helped them) > http://tigert.gimp.org/gimp/tutorials/ > It is just a complex tool, and requires quite a bit of practice. The > path tool plays a major role in photoshop books and courses too. I'll have a look. Keep on making these great icons; I really like them... -- Servus, Daniel
Re: Pathtool?
On 7 Feb, Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote: > I'm expecting a lot from this tool though, I really wish Simon and the > dudes have time to finish it. Maybe some people will find time to lend him a helping hand... :) ... for 1.3. -- Servus, Daniel
Re: [gimp-devel] Re: Pathtool?
Sven Neumann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Daniel Egger wrote: > > It works, it may not have all the features that Simon desired but it's > > nice nevertheless... > > Do you have any idea how much work is needed to integrate it with the > Paths dialog? A number of new bugs would certainly be introduced by doing > so. That's why I say: It's too late! Agreed. Its a pity that I dont have the time to complete the tool at the moment and - as pointed out earlier - I dont dare to touch the Path-Dialog in the current feature-freeze state. The converting-to-selection should be pretty easy. > > I'd like to hear the thoughts of developers, too Hmm - Sven is no developer??? Did you mean me? I did the above statement some time ago - so what? The behaviour of the old Path-tool is strange - yes. But I dont think it is buggy. I can not remember how to use it and so it sometimes seems strange when clicking on an anchor creates a new anchor. But this is not a bug: To move an anchor you have to press IIRC Ctrl. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/
Re: Pathtool?
On 6 Feb, Marc Lehmann wrote: > This has been mentioned at least three times on this list: one of them > works, the other doesn't. Both don't work correctly, as I stated before. Do you read my mails? The Bezier Select Tool behaves very strange: Points appear automatically here and there and sometimes I can't change a curve. I don't know how this can be reproduced as I can't trigger this bugs always... :/ > Even a gimp-beginner can find this out in minute or so. A beginner will most probably not use this tool for making selection because it'll give strange results if you don't know how it works... No, this aren't just my thoughts. I demonstrated the GIMP to quite a lot of people who are using it now and tell me those things. > Serious question: are you reading this list, or are you ignoring what > others write? I am not so sure anymore... I do read this list but I can't read any messages that didn't go through my mail system first, if you know a fix for this, I'd really appreciate it... :) -- Servus, Daniel
Re: Pathtool?
On Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 05:26:57PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You are right, it's time to cleanup. Unfortunately I don't know which > code is in a better state to stay and which one has to go. This has been mentioned at least three times on this list: one of them works, the other doesn't. Even a gimp-beginner can find this out in a minute or so. Serious question: are you reading this list, or are you ignoring what others write? I am not so sure anymore... -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann +-- --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |e| -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ XX11-RIPE --+ The choice of a GNU generation | |
Re: Pathtool?
On 5 Feb, Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote: >> It works, it may not have all the features that Simon desired but >> it's nice nevertheless... > It doesnt work. You can click to add points, and move them around. It > is very nice start for a new gui for Bezier tool but it is not > _working_ since you cannot really do anything useful with it yet. What's missing except of converting the paths to a selection? I never use the bezier path tool because it never works like someone would expect it: A click here, a click there and you've got more points marked than you would like to have :( -- Servus, Daniel
Re: Pathtool?
On 5 Feb, Nick Lamb wrote: > Please do not step forward and say "I'll do it", the time for that was > in November or at the latest December, and there was conspicuous > silence during my last Triage thread from those named to defend their > code. You are right, it's time to cleanup. Unfortunately I don't know which code is in a better state to stay and which one has to go. > Now is a good time to check-in fixes to code that you left in an > untidy state (expect some File plug-in code in that vein) and to > file bug reports for mysterious occurences that you've been putting > up with during the development cycle. Me or Sven? And what "mysterious occurences"? Tell me, I'd like to fix them all... :) -- Servus, Daniel
Re: Pathtool?
On Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 01:28:43PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > There's no > > need to discuss which path tool should make it into 1.2, since there > > is only one that is working. > > It works, it may not have all the features that Simon desired but it's > nice nevertheless... It doesnt work. You can click to add points, and move them around. It is very nice start for a new gui for Bezier tool but it is not _working_ since you cannot really do anything useful with it yet. Tuomas -- .---( t i g e r t @ g i m p . o r g )---. | some stuff at http://tigert.gimp.org/ | `---'
Re: Pathtool?
On Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 01:46:14PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: > Do you have any idea how much work is needed to integrate it with the > Paths dialog? A number of new bugs would certainly be introduced by doing > so. That's why I say: It's too late! Agreed. Broken stuff with no-one working on it is doomed. Please do not step forward and say "I'll do it", the time for that was in November or at the latest December, and there was conspicuous silence during my last Triage thread from those named to defend their code. Now is a good time to check-in fixes to code that you left in an untidy state (expect some File plug-in code in that vein) and to file bug reports for mysterious occurences that you've been putting up with during the development cycle. Nick.
Re: Pathtool?
On 5 Feb, Sven Neumann wrote: > Do you have any idea how much work is needed to integrate it with the > Paths dialog? No, not yet, but I'll have a closer look on this. > A number of new bugs would certainly be introduced by > doing so. That's why I say: It's too late! Every line of code introduces new bugs... >> I'd like to hear the thoughts of developers, too > You hereby finally managed to make your way onto my kill-list. Expect > me to ignore your mails in the future. Nice way of discussing problems, congratulations -- Servus, Daniel
Re: Pathtool?
Hi, > It works, it may not have all the features that Simon desired but it's > nice nevertheless... Do you have any idea how much work is needed to integrate it with the Paths dialog? A number of new bugs would certainly be introduced by doing so. That's why I say: It's too late! > I'd like to hear the thoughts of developers, too You hereby finally managed to make your way onto my kill-list. Expect me to ignore your mails in the future. Salut, Sven
Re: Pathtool?
On 5 Feb, Sven Neumann wrote: > OK, I'll repeat it once again: The new tool was an approach to design > better path tool taken by Simon Budig. Well, I talked with Simon about it. > The goal was to exchange the > user interface of the BezierSelect tool when it becomes useable. Simon > didn't find the time to complete it and noone else did. But it seems that work on the Bezierselect was done... > There's no > need to discuss which path tool should make it into 1.2, since there > is only one that is working. It works, it may not have all the features that Simon desired but it's nice nevertheless... > You are too late if you want to change > this now! Why? Fixing tools which are in there and removing redundant code is our work at the moment. > The Path tool will not be in Gimp-1.2. I'd like to hear the thoughts of developers, too > Same applies to the Xinput > Airbrush unless someone fixes it really quick now (I see a small > chance for the Xinput Airbrush to be fixed in time since its a > standalone tool). OK... -- Servus, Daniel
Re: Pathtool?
On 5 Feb, FUJITA Yuji wrote: >> Which one should we keep? Or better: should we >> merge it into one Tool which works nicely AND has a support dialog? > I hope them to be merged into one tool with support dialog. > Anyway, the dialog window title should be something like > "Layers, Channels and Path" or so. Yes, forgot to mention that :) -- Servus, Daniel
Re: Pathtool?
Hi, Daniel, please, do you follow the discussions on this list? > At the moment we have got 2 Pathtools in GIMP. One which is called > Bezierselect in the Toolbox but has a Path dialog > (in the Layers/Channels dialog???) and another one called Path tool. > > The latter works a lot nicer IMHO but I haven't managed yet to > transform a path into a selection and the former has better support > in form of a dialog. Which one should we keep? Or better: should we > merge it into one Tool which works nicely AND has a support dialog? OK, I'll repeat it once again: The new tool was an approach to design a better path tool taken by Simon Budig. The goal was to exchange the user interface of the BezierSelect tool when it becomes useable. Simon didn't find the time to complete it and noone else did. There's no need to discuss which path tool should make it into 1.2, since there is only one that is working. You are too late if you want to change this now! The Path tool will not be in Gimp-1.2. Same applies to the Xinput Airbrush unless someone fixes it really quick now (I see a small chance for the Xinput Airbrush to be fixed in time since its a standalone tool). Salutm Sven Salut, Sven
Re: Pathtool?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pathtool? Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:03:44 +0100 (CET) > Which one should we keep? Or better: should we > merge it into one Tool which works nicely AND has a support dialog? I hope them to be merged into one tool with support dialog. Anyway, the dialog window title should be something like "Layers, Channels and Path" or so. FUJITA Yuji [EMAIL PROTECTED]
