Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help files?
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 1:23 pm, John R. Culleton wrote: > Assuming that there is a directory /usr/local/gimp-23.13 where > should I unpack the help files so that Gimp can find them? > Slackware Linux 11. In my installation (SUSE), the Gimp help files are in /opt/gnome/share/gimp/2.0/help. Look for where gnome is installed and look for a gimp folder. I have 2.2.13 installed and the help files are placed in gimp/2.0/help. -- 73, AC7ZZ http://counter.li.org/ Linux User #246504 ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Where to put help files?
Assuming that there is a directory /usr/local/gimp-23.13 where should I unpack the help files so that Gimp can find them? Slackware Linux 11. -- John Culleton Able Indexing and Typesetting Precision typesetting (tm) at reasonable cost. Satisfaction guaranteed. http://wexfordpress.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
Michael Schumacher schreef: Jogchum Reitsma wrote: I'm afraid I have to confirm John's problem: there simply is no file called gimp-2.0.pc on my system. So the question is IMHO not how to direct configure to the place the file is on disk (there is no such place) but where that file can be found on the internet. It's obviously not in our gimp-2.0 distribution (in my case, the Gimp-version comes with my Suse 9.2 distro. Could it be that the problem lies in the fact that Suse uses the RPM package manager? Maybe there is a seperate gimp-dev (or libgimp-dev) package? BTW, could you please fix your quoting? Thank you. HTH, Michael That's it! Thanks! Btw: this quoting better? kind greetings, Jogchum ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
Hi, Jogchum Reitsma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm afraid I have to confirm John's problem: there simply is no file > called gimp-2.0.pc on my system. You are missing the gimp-devel package then. If you want to install the user manual from source, you need to have the GIMP development package installed. Otherwise you should be using the gimp-help package that your distribution provides. If it doesn't provide one, you should ask them to do add one. There's a workaround that allows you to install gimp-help-2 w/o having GIMP installed or w/o having the GIMP development package installed. It's mentioned in the installation instructions that come with gimp-help-2 (look at the file INSTALL). Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
Jogchum Reitsma wrote: Sven Neumann schreef: gimp-2.0.pc is installed into $prefix/lib/pkgconfig. It's a standard thing that a lot of software packages use these days. Please consider to read the pkg-config man-page to learn more about it. The man-page will also explain you how to use the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable to point pkg-config to .pc files that are not in the default I'm afraid I have to confirm John's problem: there simply is no file called gimp-2.0.pc on my system. So the question is IMHO not how to direct configure to the place the file is on disk (there is no such place) but where that file can be found on the internet. It's obviously not in our gimp-2.0 distribution (in my case, the Gimp-version comes with my Suse 9.2 distro. Could it be that the problem lies in the fact that Suse uses the RPM package manager? Maybe there is a seperate gimp-dev (or libgimp-dev) package? BTW, could you please fix your quoting? Thank you. HTH, Michael -- The GIMP > http://www.gimp.org | IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/gimp Wiki > http://wiki.gimp.org | .de: http://gimpforum.de Plug-ins > http://registry.gimp.org | ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
Sven Neumann schreef: Hi, John Culleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: OK the instructions say run ./configure and ./configure fails because it can't find a file called gimp-2.0 pc. I searched my disks (several versions of Gimp laying around) and no such file exists. gimp-2.0.pc is installed into $prefix/lib/pkgconfig. It's a standard thing that a lot of software packages use these days. Please consider to read the pkg-config man-page to learn more about it. The man-page will also explain you how to use the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable to point pkg-config to .pc files that are not in the default I'm afraid I have to confirm John's problem: there simply is no file called gimp-2.0.pc on my system. So the question is IMHO not how to direct configure to the place the file is on disk (there is no such place) but where that file can be found on the internet. It's obviously not in our gimp-2.0 distribution (in my case, the Gimp-version comes with my Suse 9.2 distro. Could it be that the problem lies in the fact that Suse uses the RPM package manager? search path. Perhaps I am using the wrong tarball. When you go to the site and look for help files all you can find is a directory called "test" or "testing" which holds about 5 different versions of help files. I picked out the most recent one, 2.05 Yes, there's no final gimp-help-2 tarball yet. The help authors don't think their work is ready for general consumption yet. The best solution of course would be to have the help files integrated with the Gimp package itself. That is the way most packages work. Failing that, a help tarball in parallel to the current stable version and with explicit instructions on installation (i.e. where) would be most helpful. Sure. As soon as the manual is released by the people writing it, we will include instructions as how to install it. If you want to make this happen earlier, consider to join the gimp-help-2 team. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user thanks for any answer! kind greetings, Jogchum Reitsma ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
On Thursday, December 16, 2004 3:05 PM [GMT+1=CET], Jozsef Mak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How do you install it on the windows version? Help, which will work with GIMP 2.0.5, is here: http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html Unzip and put into: C:\Program Files\GIMP-2.0\, or wherever your GIMP is installed. Preserve the directory structure that is in the ZIP file. Bob Long ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
> How do you install it on the windows version? You use the help installer package. HTH, Michael -- GMX ProMail mit bestem Virenschutz http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail +++ Empfehlung der Redaktion +++ Internet Professionell 10/04 +++ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
How do you install it on the windows version? From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: John Culleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help? Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 02:17:44 +0100 Hi, John Culleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As it happens, Slackware and Knoppix (some versions) have Gimp but the help > files are not included. Either the maintainers of these distros don't know > about the separate help files or they can't figure out how to install them. The user manual isn't considered ready for general consumption yet so it isn't surprising that the help isn't shipped with GIMP by default yet. I hope that the GIMP help team will release a first stable version of the manual soon. > (Neither can I.) Oh come on. It's as simple as unpacking the tarball and typing 'configure; make; make install'. If you can't figure that out yourself, perhaps you should ask someone who isn't completely clueless. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
Hi, John Culleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > OK the instructions say run ./configure and ./configure fails > because it can't find a file called gimp-2.0 pc. I searched my disks > (several versions of Gimp laying around) and no such file exists. gimp-2.0.pc is installed into $prefix/lib/pkgconfig. It's a standard thing that a lot of software packages use these days. Please consider to read the pkg-config man-page to learn more about it. The man-page will also explain you how to use the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable to point pkg-config to .pc files that are not in the default search path. > Perhaps I am using the wrong tarball. When you go to the site and > look for help files all you can find is a directory called "test" or > "testing" which holds about 5 different versions of help files. I > picked out the most recent one, 2.05 Yes, there's no final gimp-help-2 tarball yet. The help authors don't think their work is ready for general consumption yet. > The best solution of course would be to have the help files > integrated with the Gimp package itself. That is the way most > packages work. Failing that, a help tarball in parallel to the > current stable version and with explicit instructions on > installation (i.e. where) would be most helpful. Sure. As soon as the manual is released by the people writing it, we will include instructions as how to install it. If you want to make this happen earlier, consider to join the gimp-help-2 team. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
Hi, John Culleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As it happens, Slackware and Knoppix (some versions) have Gimp but the help > files are not included. Either the maintainers of these distros don't know > about the separate help files or they can't figure out how to install them. The user manual isn't considered ready for general consumption yet so it isn't surprising that the help isn't shipped with GIMP by default yet. I hope that the GIMP help team will release a first stable version of the manual soon. > (Neither can I.) Oh come on. It's as simple as unpacking the tarball and typing 'configure; make; make install'. If you can't figure that out yourself, perhaps you should ask someone who isn't completely clueless. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
On Saturday 11 December 2004 19:32, Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > "Jozsef Mak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I also cannot understand the reason behind not integrating the help > > files with Gimp. > > We did so in the past and it was a nightmare to maintain. Development > on gimp-help works a lot better since it is decoupled from GIMP > releases. For the end user who's using some sort of package management > system or an installer, there's no difference anyway. The help files > get installed with the GIMP packages. > As it happens, Slackware and Knoppix (some versions) have Gimp but the help files are not included. Either the maintainers of these distros don't know about the separate help files or they can't figure out how to install them. (Neither can I.) I will inquire in the appropriate lists. Is there a Linux distro anywhere that preinstalls the help files with Gimp? -- John Culleton Short list of publishing/marketing books: http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 04:29:59PM -0500, Jozsef Mak wrote: > > I also cannot understand the reason behind not integrating the help files > with Gimp. > oh, i can answer this. have you ever tried to build these things? maybe they build easier right now, but i have had my workflow interrupted because i could not build the help documentation for gimp. i needed gimp, not help documents. i have not tried to build them recently. i am waiting for something other than docbook format. i would rather tinker with gap than learn more of the evil of docbook; it really does some things that i would never ever do to people in documentation. so, since i do not really know what it is like to build the documents lately, can someone provide a dependency list of the things needed to build the help docs? also, my bad feelings of the method have nothing to do with the text the format contains, nor the people who endure what i consider rude and inefficient means of writing documentation. even the people who designed it, this has nothing to do with any personal feelings there. long ago, gimp depended on emacs to build its help documentation. this made and still makes me laugh some. consider having jade suggested to help you install gimp? i would rather gimp depend on emacs, in fact, maybe this is the solution carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 02:54:07PM -0500, John Culleton wrote: > On Saturday 11 December 2004 06:11, Sven Neumann wrote: > > John Culleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I have downloaded the latest help file. Befor I untar it, where is > > > it supposed to go? Or more particularly, where is it supposed to be > > > when I untar it? > > > > Just untar them and read the installation instructions in the file > > INSTALL. > > > OK the instructions say run ./configure and ./configure fails because it > can't > find a file called gimp-2.0 pc. I searched my disks (several versions of Gimp > laying around) and no such file exists. The ./configure run also says: > "couldn't find a Gimp-2.0 installation". There are about three laying around. > the solution to this is to show ./configure where the file (gimp-2.0.pc) is. running the "gimpenv" script from wgo should fix that: http://www.gimp.org/source/howtos/gimpenv it tells your shell what it needs to know by setting the proper environment variables. > So, back to my original question. Where should I try to untar the Gimp help > tarball? I don't want to muck up a functioning Gimp installation by untarring > them in the wrong location. > > Perhaps I am using the wrong tarball. When you go to the site and look for > help files all you can find is a directory called "test" or "testing" which > holds about 5 different versions of help files. I picked out the most recent > one, 2.05 > you are imagining opening up a tarball of html, i think. what you have downloaded is the means to make html, pdf, sgtml, xml and whoknowwhatelseml. your question is not being asked correctly. > The best solution of course would be to have the help files integrated with > the Gimp package itself. That is the way most packages work. Failing that, a > help tarball in parallel to the current stable version and with explicit > instructions on installation (i.e. where) would be most helpful. I suppose I > will have to go to a Knoppix disk and figure out where the help files go from > its internal structure. Oh well. a tarball of html because that is all anyone will ever use? you jest! carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
Hi, "Jozsef Mak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I also cannot understand the reason behind not integrating the help > files with Gimp. We did so in the past and it was a nightmare to maintain. Development on gimp-help works a lot better since it is decoupled from GIMP releases. For the end user who's using some sort of package management system or an installer, there's no difference anyway. The help files get installed with the GIMP packages. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
At which level would you like to integrate it - source tree, release tarball or binary distribution? Michael This I cannot tell, but when I compiled Inkscape from source all the tutorials were in the help file ready to use. They could solve the problem somehow. jozsefmak The GIMP > http://www.gimp.org | IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/gimp Wiki > http://wiki.gimp.org | .de: http://gimpforum.de Plug-ins > http://registry.gimp.org | ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, John Culleton wrote: > On Saturday 11 December 2004 06:11, Sven Neumann wrote: > > Hi, > > > > John Culleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I have downloaded the latest help file. Befor I untar it, where is > > > it supposed to go? Or more particularly, where is it supposed to be > > > when I untar it? > > > > Just untar them and read the installation instructions in the file > > INSTALL. > > > OK the instructions say run ./configure and ./configure fails because it > can't > find a file called gimp-2.0 pc. I searched my disks (several versions of Gimp > laying around) and no such file exists. The ./configure run also says: > "couldn't find a Gimp-2.0 installation". There are about three laying around. > > So, back to my original question. Where should I try to untar the Gimp help > tarball? I don't want to muck up a functioning Gimp installation by untarring > them in the wrong location. You should have several gimp-2.0.pc files if you have several installations. You will need to find them. Standard locations would be for example; /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gimp-2.0.pc /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/gimp-2.0.pc /opt/lib/pkgconfig/gimp-2.0.pc Determine which gimp you want the help files to be associated with, eg the one in say /usr/local Then export your PKG_CONFIG_PATH export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/ Now check it pkg-config --modversion gimp-2.0 Then try installing your help Owen ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
Jozsef Mak wrote: The best solution of course would be to have the help files integrated with the Gimp package itself. That is the way most packages work. Failing that, a help tarball in parallel to the current stable version and with explicit instructions on installation (i.e. where) would be most helpful. I suppose I will have to go to a Knoppix disk and figure out where the help files go from its internal structure. Oh well. > I also cannot understand the reason behind not integrating the help > files with Gimp. At which level would you like to integrate it - source tree, release tarball or binary distribution? Michael -- The GIMP > http://www.gimp.org | IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/gimp Wiki > http://wiki.gimp.org | .de: http://gimpforum.de Plug-ins > http://registry.gimp.org | ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
I also cannot understand the reason behind not integrating the help files with Gimp. jozsefmak The best solution of course would be to have the help files integrated with the Gimp package itself. That is the way most packages work. Failing that, a help tarball in parallel to the current stable version and with explicit instructions on installation (i.e. where) would be most helpful. I suppose I will have to go to a Knoppix disk and figure out where the help files go from its internal structure. Oh well. -- John Culleton Short list of publishing/marketing books: http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
On Saturday 11 December 2004 06:11, Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > John Culleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I have downloaded the latest help file. Befor I untar it, where is > > it supposed to go? Or more particularly, where is it supposed to be > > when I untar it? > > Just untar them and read the installation instructions in the file > INSTALL. > OK the instructions say run ./configure and ./configure fails because it can't find a file called gimp-2.0 pc. I searched my disks (several versions of Gimp laying around) and no such file exists. The ./configure run also says: "couldn't find a Gimp-2.0 installation". There are about three laying around. So, back to my original question. Where should I try to untar the Gimp help tarball? I don't want to muck up a functioning Gimp installation by untarring them in the wrong location. Perhaps I am using the wrong tarball. When you go to the site and look for help files all you can find is a directory called "test" or "testing" which holds about 5 different versions of help files. I picked out the most recent one, 2.05 The best solution of course would be to have the help files integrated with the Gimp package itself. That is the way most packages work. Failing that, a help tarball in parallel to the current stable version and with explicit instructions on installation (i.e. where) would be most helpful. I suppose I will have to go to a Knoppix disk and figure out where the help files go from its internal structure. Oh well. -- John Culleton Short list of publishing/marketing books: http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
Hi, John Culleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have downloaded the latest help file. Befor I untar it, where is > it supposed to go? Or more particularly, where is it supposed to be > when I untar it? Just untar them and read the installation instructions in the file INSTALL. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Where to put help?
I have downloaded the latest help file. Befor I untar it, where is it supposed to go? Or more particularly, where is it supposed to be when I untar it? It would be very nice if the help files were integrated with the Gimp distribution, and matched that distro feature for feature. While searching my disk I find that I have several Gimp versions, one of which is in /usr/local/usr/share. Obviously I untarred that puppy in the wrong location. Hence my question above. -- John Culleton Short list of publishing/marketing books: http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
