Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On 6/22/10, Branko Vukelic wrote: > >>> Krita provides access to CMYK curves, but that's about it. And the >>> only free libre tool that knows of UCR is Scribus. No free tool I know >>> of handles GCR except Argyll. >> >> And I assume

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 6/22/10, Branko Vukelic wrote: >> Krita provides access to CMYK curves, but that's about it. And the >> only free libre tool that knows of UCR is Scribus. No free tool I know >> of handles GCR except Argyll. > > And I assume Argyll will do all of above? Argyl is a color management module with

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On 6/22/10, Branko Vukelic wrote: > >>> In some cases you need direct access to curves. Besides, separate+ has >>> neither GCR nor UCR. >> >> Um, good point. I keep forgetting that I mostly do content creation, >> rather than old-scho

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 6/22/10, Branko Vukelic wrote: >> In some cases you need direct access to curves. Besides, separate+ has >> neither GCR nor UCR. > > Um, good point. I keep forgetting that I mostly do content creation, > rather than old-school image processing. Are there any tools that > provide those features?

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On 6/21/10, Branko Vukelic wrote: > >> Do you have some valid reason why you cannot do a decent >> job with separate+ and need direct editing capabilities in CMYK >> mode? > > In some cases you need direct access to curves. Besides, se

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 6/21/10, Branko Vukelic wrote: > Do you have some valid reason why you cannot do a decent > job with separate+ and need direct editing capabilities in CMYK > mode? In some cases you need direct access to curves. Besides, separate+ has neither GCR nor UCR. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregrap

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Derek Wueppelmann
On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 20:13 +0200, Branko Vukelic wrote: > Well, if you insist. I must ask you this: why? Forgive me if I err, > but this sounds like one of those "You can't be a fancy designer if > you can't do CMYK in your image editing app!" arguments. Do you have > some valid reason why you can

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:04 PM, John Culleton wrote: > Yes I do DTP with TeX and Scribus. But my question is about CMYK > on Gimp. When? Well, if you insist. I must ask you this: why? Forgive me if I err, but this sounds like one of those "You can't be a fancy designer if you can't do CMYK in yo

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread John Culleton
On Monday 21 June 2010 13:12:19 Branko Vukelic wrote: > On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:02 PM, John Culleton > wrote: > > I've cut your message since it's been said over and over (and over) > again. Lots of people complaining. I've just two things to say to all > of you who do: > > 1. Get real. > 2.

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:02 PM, John Culleton wrote: I've cut your message since it's been said over and over (and over) again. Lots of people complaining. I've just two things to say to all of you who do: 1. Get real. 2. DTP with open-source software: It's been done. Successfully. Repeatedly.

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Marco Ciampa
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:02:42AM -0400, John Culleton wrote: > The developers of Gimp have never given the needs of print media > a high priority. As a result most people in the world of print media > don't use Gimp. The usual response from the developers of Gimp > is that there is little dema

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 7:02 PM, John Culleton wrote: > Can't let this one go by. Surely you could. But you just didn't :) > The usual response from the developers of Gimp is that there is > little demand for CMYK. Is it usual? Really? I have never heard any GIMP developer stating that. Alexan

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread John Culleton
On Sunday 17 January 2010 15:54:20 Robert L Cochran wrote: > My suggestion is to use Gimp for what you need, and work with a higher > end camera that produces raw format images. Get Akkana Peck's book and > start with that. Post emails to this list when you need some help. It > also doesn't hurt

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread Claus Cyrny
Programmer In Training wrote: On 1/20/2010 12:08 PM, Martin Nordholts wrote: But I think we need to keep the setting we have. Some people prefer it the way you do, they want their image windows to hide docks, while others don't want the docks to be hidden. / Martin Then the old be

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread Patrick Horgan
Programmer In Training wrote: On 1/20/2010 9:23 AM, Claus Cyrny wrote: Why do you need a 'Minimize' button for the toolbox? For 2.8, there will be an optional singe-window mode available (the link to the respective article was already posted in this thread). Claus The

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread Akkana Peck
Martin Nordholts writes: > Ken Warner wrote: > > Yeah, I hate that too. What's the point of having a floating window > > if you can never bring it to the top of the stack? > > Edit -> Preferences -> Window Management, change the toolbox and dock > hints to 'Normal window' Except that you can't

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread Burnie West
On 01/20/2010 06:42 AM, Programmer In Training wrote: > > 2.6.8 and as far as I can tell, there is no way to revert to old behavior. > > This is the behavior I'm currently having to deal with. > http://www.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us/images/screen-caps/gimp.png (458KB, don't > ask me how it's that large) >

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread Martin Nordholts
Programmer In Training wrote: > Then the old behavior from 2.4 should be made optional, or at least a > reasonable facsimile. Most people thinks having two different menubars in one application is insane. The small amount of people that thinks it is a good idea will have to maintain code for tha

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread Programmer In Training
On 1/20/2010 12:08 PM, Martin Nordholts wrote: > But I think we need to keep the setting we have. Some people prefer it > the way you do, they want their image windows to hide docks, while > others don't want the docks to be hidden. > > / Martin > > Then the old behavior from 2.4 should be ma

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread Martin Nordholts
Ken Warner wrote: > Thanks... Much better. Why didn't I think of that? Maybe because > I didn't think there was three different kinds of windows. Do we > really need three different kinds of windows? I'm just asking Since we removed the menu from the toolbox for GIMP 2.6, we don't. In git

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread Ken Warner
Thanks... Much better. Why didn't I think of that? Maybe because I didn't think there was three different kinds of windows. Do we really need three different kinds of windows? I'm just asking Martin Nordholts wrote: > Ken Warner wrote: >> Yeah, I hate that too. What's the point of having

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread Martin Nordholts
Ken Warner wrote: > Yeah, I hate that too. What's the point of having a floating window > if you can never bring it to the top of the stack? Edit -> Preferences -> Window Management, change the toolbox and dock hints to 'Normal window' / Martin -- My GIMP Blog: http://www.chromecode.com/

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread Ken Warner
Yeah, I hate that too. What's the point of having a floating window if you can never bring it to the top of the stack? Programmer In Training wrote: > The toolbox should not be linked to the image editing window (especially > when it is always on TOP of the image editing window) for starters. On

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread Martin Nordholts
Ken Warner wrote: > Well, I've experienced the same. When I close the tool window, GIMP > exits. Really a pisser This is fixed in git master and will be further polished for GIMP 2.8 / Martin -- My GIMP Blog: http://www.chromecode.com/ "Best way to keep up with GIMP from git" ___

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread Ken Warner
Well, I've experienced the same. When I close the tool window, GIMP exits. Really a pisser Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Programmer In Training wrote: > >> 2.6.8 and as far as I can tell, there is no way to revert to old behavior. >> >> This is the behavior

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread Programmer In Training
On 1/20/2010 9:23 AM, Claus Cyrny wrote: > Why do you need a 'Minimize' button for the toolbox? For 2.8, > there will be an optional singe-window mode available (the link > to the respective article was already posted in this thread). > > Claus The toolbox should not be linked to the image editi

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread Programmer In Training
On 1/20/2010 8:46 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > Running GIMP on Windows and hating single-window mode is bloody unique :) I've ran some flavor of Linux almost as long as I've run some version of Windows. > You are talking about different things, as a matter of fact. There is > no way you can

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread Claus Cyrny
Programmer In Training wrote: On 1/20/2010 7:04 AM, David Gowers wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Programmer In Training So the next update will see the ability to revert back to the old behavior? That will be nice. (: What version are you using? GIT HEAD (dd8b86785

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Programmer In Training wrote: > 2.6.8 and as far as I can tell, there is no way to revert to old behavior. > > This is the behavior I'm currently having to deal with. > http://www.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us/images/screen-caps/gimp.png (458KB, don't > ask me how it's that

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread Programmer In Training
On 1/20/2010 7:04 AM, David Gowers wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Programmer In Training >> So the next update will see the ability to revert back to the old >> behavior? That will be nice. (: > > What version are you using? > GIT HEAD (dd8b867852efccc00eda94244ef1f27dc1a145b7 as of t

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-20 Thread David Gowers
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Programmer In Training wrote: > On 1/19/2010 6:43 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: >> On 1/20/10, Programmer In Training wrote: >> itch I am scratching: I run Linux but hate to manage windows and/or workspaces, and single-window mode will fix this for me.

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-19 Thread Programmer In Training
On 1/19/2010 6:43 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On 1/20/10, Programmer In Training wrote: > >>> itch I am scratching: I run Linux but hate to manage windows and/or >>> workspaces, and single-window mode will fix this for me. >> >> I absolutely /hate/ the single window mode. > > You don't have

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-19 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 1/20/10, Programmer In Training wrote: >> itch I am scratching: I run Linux but hate to manage windows and/or >> workspaces, and single-window mode will fix this for me. > > I absolutely /hate/ the single window mode. You don't have to like single image node either. It'll be optional. Alexand

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-19 Thread Programmer In Training
On 1/19/2010 1:12 PM, Martin Nordholts wrote: > Michael J. Hammel wrote: >> For example, they've >> responded to requests for a single window mode from the Windows user >> community by adding it to development for 2.8. We Linux users don't >> need this so the developers are making this configurabl

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-19 Thread peter kostov
Dotan Cohen wrote: >> This is a common misconception. The single-window mode is just as much >> for Linux users as it is for Windows users. It is in many ways my own >> itch I am scratching: I run Linux but hate to manage windows and/or >> workspaces, and single-window mode will fix this for me. >>

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-19 Thread Dotan Cohen
> This is a common misconception. The single-window mode is just as much > for Linux users as it is for Windows users. It is in many ways my own > itch I am scratching: I run Linux but hate to manage windows and/or > workspaces, and single-window mode will fix this for me. > Same with me, on Kubun

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-19 Thread Martin Nordholts
Michael J. Hammel wrote: > For example, they've > responded to requests for a single window mode from the Windows user > community by adding it to development for 2.8. We Linux users don't > need this so the developers are making this configurable. This is a common misconception. The single-windo

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 18.01.2010 00:23, Michael J. Hammel wrote: > That said, requests for feature enhancement belong in the bugzilla > database which you can find linked from the > http://developer.gimp.org/bugs.html. No. Feature requests should always be discussed on the developer mailing list first: http://lists

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Michael J. Hammel
On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 13:07 -0800, Ken Warner wrote: > I gave feedback and was told to "...put up or shut up...". > Which indicates a really dumb developer base that doesn't want > to hear what people really want, they only want to provide what > they decide people need. Actually, you posted that

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 1/18/10, Ken Warner wrote: > I gave feedback and was told to "...put up or shut up...". > Which indicates a really dumb developer base that ... ... you imagined yourself, because the person who said that isn't GIMP developer. Alexandre ___ Gimp-user

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-01-17 Thread Ken Warner
I gave feedback and was told to "...put up or shut up...". Which indicates a really dumb developer base that doesn't want to hear what people really want, they only want to provide what they decide people need. Good luck with that... Robert L Cochran wrote: > As another person said, if you are in