Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-29-06 15:54]:
> i am very sorry that the page has been formated in a way that you
> have to scroll the page to read the ettiquette which has been
> suggested there.
> 
> it has been my experience that even an honest attempt to not top-post
> emails to this list will be appreciated.  i understand that everyone
> has different expectations of emails and such and i equally
> appreciate the time that is spent by you to at least consider this.


Vey tactful,   :^)   

appreciated effort, tks,
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Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread Carol Spears
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 08:50:12PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Very clear.
> Thanks for a so clear and energizing answer Simon !
> It's full of good things even if you warn us about the time it can take.
> Topic almost closed for me...
> 
> Sincerely.
> 
> > What happens *after* Gimp 2.4 has been released will go more along the
> > lines you mention. We'll have great changes in the infrastructure (see
> > pippins link to GEGL) which makes things like adjustment layers or even
> > direct effects possible. However, it will be quite some time until this
> > 2.5 development series results in the next stable 2.6 or even 3.0.
> >
> 
i would like to make this one request.  that is that the ettiquette that
is described on www.gimp.org about how mail to this list is formatted be
at least attempted:
http://www.gimp.org/mail_lists.html

i am very sorry that the page has been formated in a way that you have
to scroll the page to read the ettiquette which has been suggested
there.

it has been my experience that even an honest attempt to not top-post
emails to this list will be appreciated.  i understand that everyone has
different expectations of emails and such and i equally appreciate the
time that is spent by you to at least consider this.

thanks,

carol


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Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread bruno . vasta
Very clear.
Thanks for a so clear and energizing answer Simon !
It's full of good things even if you warn us about the time it can take.
Topic almost closed for me...

Sincerely.

> What happens *after* Gimp 2.4 has been released will go more along the
> lines you mention. We'll have great changes in the infrastructure (see
> pippins link to GEGL) which makes things like adjustment layers or even
> direct effects possible. However, it will be quite some time until this
> 2.5 development series results in the next stable 2.6 or even 3.0.
>
> Hope this clears this up.
> Simon
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Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread Simon Budig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Then to stay in the subject...you mean that The Gimp 2.4 will be able
> to deal with things like direct effects, adjustement layers, vector
> text ?

No, Gimp 2.4 will not have these things. If you want to have a
not-so-sneak-preview of Gipm 2.4 then try the current development
version, Gimp 2.4 will be - except for some rough edges - basically the
same.

What happens *after* Gimp 2.4 has been released will go more along the
lines you mention. We'll have great changes in the infrastructure (see
pippins link to GEGL) which makes things like adjustment layers or even
direct effects possible. However, it will be quite some time until this
2.5 development series results in the next stable 2.6 or even 3.0.

Hope this clears this up.
Simon
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Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread Carol Spears
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 05:02:43PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Selon Simon Budig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> Thanks for your cool answer Simon...mine to Carol was almost sarcastic.
> 
sorry for your misunderstanding.  this is what i would say to a friend.
an example would be a situation where they had purchased a new car with
air conditioning.

"Carol, should i stop driving this car that i bought and instead drive
your car.  Does it have air conditioning?"

"Friend, no.  My car doesn't have air conditioning.  You should keep
driving the car that you purchased."

to suggest to the person asking this question that it is worth the money
saved to not bother with layer effects is me giving this opinion of mine
as a fact.  this is rude to me.

if the Photoshop that will be used is a stolen copy -- then yes, it was
very very sarcastic.

thank you for your concern,

carol

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Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread bruno . vasta
Selon Simon Budig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> When Version 2.4 has been released we'll lift the
> feature freeze again and incorporate a lot of new and exciting stuff
> into the GIMPs code base. But it will take some time until this new
> stuff gets released as part of a stable release, especially since there
> are not many people actively developing on the gimp.
>
> So, help is appreciated.  :)
>

Thanks for your cool answer Simon...mine to Carol was almost sarcastic.

You just made me hold my breath ! (not to much time I hope...). Help you are
asking for then help you will have !... but it will be another topic I think.

Then to stay in the subject...you mean that The Gimp 2.4 will be able to deal
with things like direct effects, adjustement layers, vector text ?

Sincerely.
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Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread Simon Budig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> You mean ? :"Gimp went into feature freeze in October 1997. This meant that no
> new features would be added to the Gimp core libraries and program."
> cf : http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/docs/gimp/en/ch01s03.html

You misunderstood the term "feature freeze". That was is mentioned in
the history is the feature freeze *for the version 1.0*. When this
version has been released, the feature freeze has been lifted, until we
at some point introduced another feature freeze, to get ready for
Version 1.2. We are currently in a kind-of-feature-freeze for Version
2.4, which basically means that we will refrain from adding new features
to the current development code and focus on stabilizing the existing
(new) features. When Version 2.4 has been released we'll lift the
feature freeze again and incorporate a lot of new and exciting stuff
into the GIMPs code base. But it will take some time until this new
stuff gets released as part of a stable release, especially since there
are not many people actively developing on the gimp.

So, help is appreciated.  :)

Bye,
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Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread Øyvind Kolås

On 9/29/06, Donncha O Caoimh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Daniel,

Adjustment layers do sound like a great idea but they're not a part of
the GIMP. I found a script-fu plugin that does something similar, but is
limited because it only allows the user to apply specific functions:
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/1473128/

I find that copying the current layer to a new one and practising on
that, or using a large undo buffer helps a lot. There's also the
"anti-erase" function of the Erase tool that looks like it restores part
of the layer below the one you're working on.


Current GIMP does not have adjustment layers, but some things can be
simulated by clever use of layer modes. The anti-erase functionality
brings back previously erased content on the current layer.

When it comes to development towards supporting such capabilities
there are plans for such functionality and experiments with
technologies that might lead to it are in progress[1].

/Øyvind K.

1: http://pippin.gimp.org/gegl/gallery/

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Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread Donncha O Caoimh

Hi Daniel,

Adjustment layers do sound like a great idea but they're not a part of 
the GIMP. I found a script-fu plugin that does something similar, but is 
limited because it only allows the user to apply specific functions:

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/1473128/

I find that copying the current layer to a new one and practising on 
that, or using a large undo buffer helps a lot. There's also the 
"anti-erase" function of the Erase tool that looks like it restores part 
of the layer below the one you're working on.


HTH,
Donncha.

Daniel Barna wrote:

Hi,
I have searched a lot about adjustment layers in the gimp, but only found 
complaining messages about their absence (in contrast to Photoshop).
I am a newbie, and I was advised by an expert friend to use Photoshop due 


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Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread bruno . vasta
Selon Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> if you purchased photoshop, then by all means you should use this fine
> application.
>
> carol
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Hi carol.

You mean ? :"Gimp went into feature freeze in October 1997. This meant that no
new features would be added to the Gimp core libraries and program."
cf : http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/docs/gimp/en/ch01s03.html
And then there is no reason to wait for real-pro features like group-layers,
effects on layers, vector text, adjustement layers, vector layers, infinite
number of chanels ?

Damn...I'm realy sad...I will never be able to use Gimp for my work.

But...it's strange ! Because :
"An image manipulation program was the consensus. A program that would at the
very least lessen the necessity of using commercial software under `Windoze' or
on the `Macintoy.'"
cf : http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/docs/gimp/en/ch01s03.html

Then ? What is the futur for Gimp ? To be or not to be a "program that would at
the very least lessen the necessity of using commercial software under
`Windoze' or on the `Macintoy.'" ?


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Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread Carol Spears
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 11:51:38AM +0200, Daniel Barna wrote:
> Hi,
> I have searched a lot about adjustment layers in the gimp, but only found 
> complaining messages about their absence (in contrast to Photoshop).
> I am a newbie, and I was advised by an expert friend to use Photoshop due 
> to some of its extra features, like adjustment layers. However, I would 
> like to use the gimp (seems to be much faster, no need to reboot to 
> windows every time I need to work on an image, etc). 
> I would like to decide, which program to learn/use. Does anybody know 
> whether adjustment layers are already beeing developed, and are expected 
> in the near future release? Or are there any *working* workarounds 
> (scripts, whatever) available, which can provide this functionality?

if you purchased photoshop, then by all means you should use this fine
application.

carol

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