[corrected David Barr's address]
On Monday 18 February 2013 12:42:39 Jeff King wrote:
And I do not want to blame the students here (some of whom are on the cc
list ). They are certainly under no obligation to stick around after
GSoC ends, and I know they have many demands on their time. But I
Florian Achleitner florian.achleitner2.6...@gmail.com writes:
For a student one aspect of GSOC is also quite important: It is a cool and
demanding summer job during the holidays, but it has to ramp down when the
new
semester starts.
Thanks for sharing.
I think an important lesson is
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Thomas Rast tr...@inf.ethz.ch wrote:
* We should prepare an ideas page. Last year, Peff made one on
https://github.com/peff/git/wiki/SoC-2012-Ideas
[Resending the mail, because the last one failed because of inline html content]
One of the proposed ideas
Michael Schubert s...@schu.io writes:
On 02/18/2013 06:42 PM, Jeff King wrote:
I will do it again, if people feel strongly about Git being a part of
it. However, I have gotten a little soured on the GSoC experience. Not
because of anything Google has done; it's a good idea, and I think they
Shawn Pearce spea...@spearce.org writes:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Jeff King p...@peff.net wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 06:23:01PM +0100, Thomas Rast wrote:
* We need an org admin. AFAIK this was done by Peff and Shawn in
tandem last year. Would you do it again?
I will do it
Hi,
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Shawn Pearce spea...@spearce.org wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Jeff King p...@peff.net wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 06:23:01PM +0100, Thomas Rast wrote:
* We need an org admin. AFAIK this was done by Peff and Shawn in
tandem last year.
Christian Couder christian.cou...@gmail.com writes:
- yes, we could improve mentoring by providing better projects and
insisting even more on submitting earlier
A few words about my experience, not with GSoC, but with school projects
(I've been proposing a few students in Ensimag to contribute
On 02/18/2013 06:42 PM, Jeff King wrote:
I will do it again, if people feel strongly about Git being a part of
it. However, I have gotten a little soured on the GSoC experience. Not
because of anything Google has done; it's a good idea, and I think they
do a fine of administering the
Jonathan Nieder wrote:
Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
The short undiplomatic version of that is that our mentors suck (I'm
not pointing fingers, but that's what I infer from failing projects).
Hold on a second. I'm not remembering such a grim outcome with 100%
failure from prior summers of
Junio C Hamano wrote:
Ramkumar Ramachandra artag...@gmail.com writes:
Junio C Hamano wrote:
...
I think the real issue is everybody in the GSoC mentor candidate
pool grossly underestimates the scope of suggested projects, does
not encourage students to send early drafts to the public from
Ramkumar Ramachandra artag...@gmail.com writes:
Jonathan Nieder wrote:
Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
The short undiplomatic version of that is that our mentors suck (I'm
not pointing fingers, but that's what I infer from failing projects).
Hold on a second. I'm not remembering such a grim
Jeff King wrote:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 01:15:49AM +0530, Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
Take what I'm about to say with a pinch of salt, because I've never mentored.
Mentors often don't provide much technical assistance: students should
just post to the list with queries, or ask on
Thomas Rast tr...@inf.ethz.ch writes:
In defense of Thomas, whose project was mentioned earlier as a prime
example of something that is too big:
He's in fact still working on the index-API angle, as part of a thesis
at university.
That is probably a good indicator that it was too big for a
Ramkumar Ramachandra artag...@gmail.com writes:
I was conflating between people who add suggested project and who
act as mentors. I do not think mentors are primarily responsible
for bad suggested projects.
Why do mentors pick badly sketched-out projects to mentor? They're
free to pick
Junio C Hamano gits...@pobox.com writes:
Thomas Rast tr...@inf.ethz.ch writes:
In defense of Thomas, whose project was mentioned earlier as a prime
example of something that is too big:
He's in fact still working on the index-API angle, as part of a thesis
at university.
That is probably
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Jens Lehmann jens.lehm...@web.de wrote:
Am 18.02.2013 20:34, schrieb Jonathan Nieder:
That said, I won't have time to mentor a project on my own. It takes
a lot of time (or luck, to get the student that doesn't need
mentoring).
That's my experience too. Also
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Jeff King p...@peff.net wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 06:23:01PM +0100, Thomas Rast wrote:
* We need an org admin. AFAIK this was done by Peff and Shawn in
tandem last year. Would you do it again?
I will do it again, if people feel strongly about Git
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 06:23:01PM +0100, Thomas Rast wrote:
* We need an org admin. AFAIK this was done by Peff and Shawn in
tandem last year. Would you do it again?
I will do it again, if people feel strongly about Git being a part of
it. However, I have gotten a little soured on the
Thomas Rast tr...@inf.ethz.ch writes:
* We should prepare an ideas page[...]
https://github.com/trast/git/wiki/SoC-2013-Ideas
From where I'm currently sitting, I won't have the time to mentor this
year. So my two earlier proposals are essentially up for grabs:
1. Improving parallelism in
Thomas Rast wrote:
2. Improving the `git add -p` interface
* The terminal/line-based interface becomes a problem if diff hunks
are too long to fit in your terminal.
I don't know if it's worth coming up with another interface. The best
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:46:05 +0100, Thomas Rast tr...@student.ethz.ch
said:
ThomasThe actual programming must be done in C using pthreads
Thomas for obvious reasons.
Are there obvious reasons OpenMP would not be enough to do the job?
It looks like a trade-off between the code
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:14:19AM +0530, Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
I'll be frank here. I think the main reason for a student to stick
around is to see more of his code hit `master`. I think it is
absolutely essential to get students constantly post iteration after
iteration on the list.
Hi,
Jeff King wrote:
I will do it again, if people feel strongly about Git being a part of
it. However, I have gotten a little soured on the GSoC experience. Not
because of anything Google has done; it's a good idea, and I think they
do a fine of administering the program. But I have noticed
Ramkumar Ramachandra artag...@gmail.com writes:
[corrected David Barr's email address]
Jeff King wrote:
And I do not want to blame the students here (some of whom are on the cc
list :) ). They are certainly under no obligation to stick around after
GSoC ends, and I know they have many
Jeff King wrote:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:14:19AM +0530, Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
I'll be frank here. I think the main reason for a student to stick
around is to see more of his code hit `master`. I think it is
absolutely essential to get students constantly post iteration after
Ronan Keryell ronan.kery...@silkan.com writes:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:46:05 +0100, Thomas Rast tr...@student.ethz.ch
said:
ThomasThe actual programming must be done in C using pthreads
Thomas for obvious reasons.
Are there obvious reasons OpenMP would not be enough to do the
Ramkumar Ramachandra artag...@gmail.com writes:
* Cannot look at the diff in word-diff mode (and apply it normally).
[...]
Also: Having to figure out, heuristically, when to actually turn it on
might be a worthwhile feature, especially for services like GitHub.
Actually that's a pretty
Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
Take what I'm about to say with a pinch of salt, because I've never mentored.
Mentors often don't provide much technical assistance: students should
just post to the list with queries, or ask on #git-devel. Mentors
serve a different purpose; their primary
Am 18.02.2013 20:45, schrieb Thomas Rast:
Ramkumar Ramachandra artag...@gmail.com writes:
What's the harm of including something estimated to take 80% of a
summer?
Maybe even less than 80%.
I didn't regret at all having split the summer's topic I mentored
into smaller pieces. That made it
Am 18.02.2013 20:34, schrieb Jonathan Nieder:
That said, I won't have time to mentor a project on my own. It takes
a lot of time (or luck, to get the student that doesn't need
mentoring).
That's my experience too. Also I think it really makes sense to have a
co-mentor so you can balance the
Jonathan Nieder wrote:
Hi,
Jeff King wrote:
I will do it again, if people feel strongly about Git being a part of
it. However, I have gotten a little soured on the GSoC experience. Not
because of anything Google has done; it's a good idea, and I think they
do a fine of administering the
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 02:14:54AM +0530, Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
- assimilating the distro builds: make deb-pkg, make rpm-pkg,
etc along the same lines as the linux kernel's script/package/,
to help people get recent git installed when they want it
Overkill. I just symlink
Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
Jonathan Nieder wrote:
- cross-compilable git
Why, exactly? Git for embedded devices?
My personal motivation would be building Git for Windows while
spending as little time on Windows as possible. People deploying git
to 32-bit x86, 64-bit x86, and ARM (think
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 01:15:49AM +0530, Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
Take what I'm about to say with a pinch of salt, because I've never mentored.
Mentors often don't provide much technical assistance: students should
just post to the list with queries, or ask on #git-devel. Mentors
serve
Ramkumar Ramachandra artag...@gmail.com writes:
[corrected David Barr's email address]
Jeff King wrote:
And I do not want to blame the students here (some of whom are on the cc
list :) ). They are certainly under no obligation to stick around after
GSoC ends, and I know they have many
Jeff King p...@peff.net writes:
This is not related to GSoC anymore, but I think handling multiple
versions is already pretty easy. You can just install to
$HOME/local/git/$TAGNAME or similar, and then symlink the bin/git
binary from there into your PATH as git.$TAGNAME (e.g., git.v1.7.8).
Jeff King wrote:
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:34:24AM -0800, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
Some potential projects (unfiltered --- please take them with a grain
of salt):
[...]
- collaborative notes editing: fix the default notes refspec,
make sure the notes pull workflow works well and is
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Thomas Rast tr...@inf.ethz.ch wrote:
* Naturally that ideas page is a bit stale now, and three projects
shorter. Please propose new ideas and refresh or delete the old ones!
In particular some projects spawned long discussions on the list, and
the
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Jonathan Nieder jrnie...@gmail.com wrote:
Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
Jonathan Nieder wrote:
- cross-compilable git
Why, exactly? Git for embedded devices?
My personal motivation would be building Git for Windows while
spending as little time on Windows
Ramkumar Ramachandra wrote:
The short undiplomatic version of that is that our mentors suck (I'm
not pointing fingers, but that's what I infer from failing projects).
Hold on a second. I'm not remembering such a grim outcome with 100%
failure from prior summers of code as you're describing.
Ramkumar Ramachandra artag...@gmail.com writes:
Junio C Hamano wrote:
...
I think the real issue is everybody in the GSoC mentor candidate
pool grossly underestimates the scope of suggested projects, does
not encourage students to send early drafts to the public from the
beginning, and
Thomas Rast wrote:
Ramkumar Ramachandra artag...@gmail.com writes:
[...]
On a related note, I don't like our Wiki. It's down half the time,
and it's very badly maintained. I want to write content for our Wiki
from the comfort of my editor, with version control aiding me. And I
can't
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