Quarterly Meeting POSTPONED until 10 July 2002

2002-06-26 Thread pll
For all that weren't aware, and haven't been to the GNHLUG website lately, tonight's meeting with Ximian was postponed until 10 July 2002. Sorry if this wasn't more widely broadcast, I could've sworn I sent out an e-mail. Apologies for the ridiculously late announcement. -- Seeya, Paul ---

NO MEETING tonight (26 Jun 2002)

2002-06-26 Thread bscott
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, at 3:46pm, Ganesan M wrote: > Is there a meeting today? The meeting originally scheduled for Wed 26 June 2002 has been reschedule for 10 July 2002. The calendar at http://www.gnhlug.org/lug_cal/month.php?date=20020701 has been updated to reflect this. -- Ben Sc

Re: Is there a meeting today?

2002-06-26 Thread pll
In a message dated: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:46:48 EDT "Ganesan M" said: >Is there a meeting today? > >Please confirm. No, it's been postponed until 10 July. I thought a message was sent out to the -announce list, guess not. Sorry. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting he

Is there a meeting today?

2002-06-26 Thread Ganesan M
Is there a meeting today? Please confirm. Thanks. Ganesan. > > Who: All GNHLUG members, the general public, and anyone else who > > wants to come along. > > > > What: 2nd Quarterly meeting > > > > When: 19:30ish, 26 June 2002 > > > > Where: Daniel Webster College > > 20 University Drive > > Nas

Re: Linux OS kernel question

2002-06-26 Thread Michael O'Donnell
>Would you agree that this is not necessarily the case, >if you can add a general-purpose CPU that the OS >can allocate to that task, and doing so could have >no marginal cost? Maybe in some very unusual cases (development? proof-of-concept?) but in general if you've got a system to which you

Re: Linux OS kernel question

2002-06-26 Thread Derek D. Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Michael O'Donnell hath spake thusly: > these days the boundary between the two is blurrier > than ever) but in commodity systems I assume you'd > agree that modems, NICs, SCSI adapters, etc are all > examples where the correspo

Re: Linux OS kernel question

2002-06-26 Thread Tom Rauschenbach
On Wednesday 26 June 2002 h:57, Kevin D. Clark wrote: > Tom Rauschenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 h:43, Kevin D. Clark wrote: > > > You know, of course, that most debuggers allow you to catch reads and > > > writes to a certain memory location already, right? >

Re: Linux OS kernel question

2002-06-26 Thread bscott
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, at 10:01am, Michael O'Donnell wrote: > However, this is activity that all modern processors are already engaged > in for the purposes of cache management and such (Dcache, Icache, TLB, > etc) so rigging these subsystems to generate an exception whenever a > (relatively cheap,

Re: OT - Where would you buy stuff?

2002-06-26 Thread bscott
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, at 10:43am, Rich Cloutier wrote: > Then you have never been confronted with the "blank stare of death." Sure have. But the thing is, I can keep that manager busy and not doing anything else until I get service. Eventually, they give. It's cheaper to give me a refund than

Re: OT - Where would you buy stuff?

2002-06-26 Thread Rich Cloutier
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Greater NH Linux Users' Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:31 AM Subject: Re: OT - Where would you buy stuff? > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, at 12:27pm, Rich C wrote: > >> I'm not overly fond of Best Buy, but they do of

Re: OT - Where would you buy stuff?

2002-06-26 Thread Mark Komarinski
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 01:02:51PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi all, > > If you had the choice between buying off the web or from the local > BestBuy for a slightly higher price, what would you do? > General opinions: I like browsing. A small thumbnail of a $500 product isn't going

Re: Linux OS kernel question

2002-06-26 Thread Michael O'Donnell
>Well, I suppose it depends on the implementation. >My understanding of low-level hardware design stops at >the "basic theory" point, and not much of that. But I am >curious: How does the hardware "watch" a memory location >without incurring any overhead? It would seem to me that >there must b

Re: Linux OS kernel question

2002-06-26 Thread bscott
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, at 9:19am, Michael O'Donnell wrote: >> People make such a huge deal about something being implemented in >> "hardware" vs "software". In most cases, the only difference >> between them is that hardware is harder to change. > > In this watchpoint case I fail to see how the HW

Re: OT - Where would you buy stuff?

2002-06-26 Thread bscott
This is getting *really* off-topic, but what the heck... On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, at 8:39am, Ben Boulanger wrote: >> Being able to physically go somewhere, see a manager, and tie him or her up >> with your problem until it is solved is worlds better than a phone call. > > So then web vendors need

Re: Linux OS kernel question

2002-06-26 Thread bscott
On 26 Jun 2002, at 9:28am, Kevin D. Clark wrote: > The hardware *does not* run in the following way: > > again: > is the PC (program counter) at a breakpoint? if so, > run the instruction at the PC > goto again; That was actually my point. The OP complained about the debugger ha

Re: Linux OS kernel question

2002-06-26 Thread Kevin D. Clark
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Hardware implementation has a cost, too. You complain that debuggers use > special instructions or more memory to do what they do. What do you think > the hardware is going to do? For breakpoints, the hardware would have to > keep track of your breakpoint list, a

Re: Linux OS kernel question

2002-06-26 Thread Michael O'Donnell
>> You know, of course, that most debuggers allow you to catch reads >> and writes to a certain memory location already, right? > > Sure, but they usually do it by inserting an illegal instruction > at the beginning of each statement boundary ... hardware support > for debuggers would be hard

Re: Linux OS kernel question

2002-06-26 Thread Jerry Feldman
Variable page sizes is a fairly recent feature found in some commercial systems. Several commercial UNIX systems support multiple page sizes. The page size if a function of both the operating system as well as the hardware. Some systems (HP-UX for instance) also have features which may treat m

Re: Linux OS kernel question

2002-06-26 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Tom Rauschenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 h:43, Kevin D. Clark wrote: > > You know, of course, that most debuggers allow you to catch reads and > > writes to a certain memory location already, right? > > Sure, but they usually do it by inserting an illegal instru

Re: Linux OS kernel question

2002-06-26 Thread bscott
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, at 8:05am, Tom Rauschenbach wrote: >> You know, of course, that most debuggers allow you to catch reads and >> writes to a certain memory location already, right? > > Sure, but they usually do it by inserting an illegal instruction at the > beginning of each statement boundar

Re: OT - Where would you buy stuff?

2002-06-26 Thread Ben Boulanger
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Which can also be done effectively by phone, especially if you use their > > toll free ordering line to complain. > > This I disagree with. Your call costs them next to nothing. They can put > you on hold endlessly, leave you in voicemail limbo

Re: OT - Where would you buy stuff?

2002-06-26 Thread bscott
On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, at 12:27pm, Rich C wrote: >> I'm not overly fond of Best Buy, but they do offer the convience of >> being local, which provides me the ability to go and beat someone >> over the head should I need to :) > > Which can also be done effectively by phone, especially if you use th

Re: OT - Where would you buy stuff?

2002-06-26 Thread bscott
On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, at 1:02pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If you had the choice between buying off the web or from the local BestBuy > for a slightly higher price, what would you do? I would research the web vendor to find out their past history and expected longevity. I would seek opinions f

Re: Linux OS kernel question

2002-06-26 Thread Tom Rauschenbach
On Wednesday 26 June 2002 h:43, Kevin D. Clark wrote: > Tom Rauschenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I'd really like to see the ability to have *tiny* pages to give extra > > hardware support to debuggers. Imagine getting an interupt when a > > certain variable is changed > > You know, of cou

Re: Linux OS kernel question

2002-06-26 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Tom Rauschenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'd really like to see the ability to have *tiny* pages to give extra > hardware support to debuggers. Imagine getting an interupt when a certain > variable is changed You know, of course, that most debuggers allow you to catch reads and writes